I agree with Gerard that you only edit your language label in the 'label' edit box. If the label box is showing the label in a fallback language then it should be visually different - greyed out and italic for instance or like the 'edit label in English' text. If a user wants to edit other language labels then that is what the 'in other languages' boxes are for.
If a fall back language is shown anywhere else then do something similar and add an 'edit in your language' link. At least that is what I think. Joe On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Sjoerd de Bruin <sjoerddebr...@me.com>wrote: > Hey everyone, > > It's quite annoying every time I want to use a item, but it has no Dutch > label. So it doesn't show up if you want to use it with like adding > statements. Fallback is a big thing. > > Greetings, Sjoerd > > Op 4 mei 2014 om 22:50 heeft Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > het volgende geschreven: > > Hoi, > When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in > *YOUR* language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and > you will be prompted to add a label in the named language. ONLY your > language. Wikidata being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does > to see multiple labels for the languages as selected in the #Babel > template. That is the obvious place to see and edit labels in multiple > languages. > > When you think that language fallback in Reasonator is "easy", it is very > much because the options have been considered properly. It does provide > fall back in a user specified manner. It does show all the labels used for > an item but it does NOT provide an option to edit them. It could, but this > is left for Wikidata itself just like adding statements has been left to > Wikidata. > > There are three parts to an item in Wikidata. Labels, statements and > links. It is best imho not to complicate things and leave this partition in > place. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 4 May 2014 22:17, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > >> Am 04.05.2014 09:00, schrieb Lydia Pintscher: >> > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Where are we with fallback languages? >> >> >> >> I did a session for new editors with Magnus last weekend and one of >> the questions that came up was why one of the students couldn't see most of >> the labels - he had his language set to British English. He asked why there >> was no fallback to international English. >> > >> > The status is that we have a plan for the next steps. I realize it is >> > important but currently not doable in the next say 3 months. >> >> I would like to add some information about why language fallback is not as >> easily done as it may seem. Fallback for *display* is simple enough (as >> reasonator proves) - but we allow editing, which makes this much harder. >> >> Consider the case of a user with their language set to "en-gb", but >> seeing a >> label in "en" due to fallback. What should happen if they click "edit"? >> Which >> label will they be editing, the "en" one or the "en-gb" one? They should >> really >> be able to do both, and the consequences of their edit should be obvious >> to >> them. When automatic transliteration comes into play, as is the case with >> some >> chinese variants, things become more complex still. >> >> This is not impossible to solve (e.g. by showing edit boxes for all the >> relevant >> variants, with some additional information), but needs careful design. >> This >> cannot be done overnight. >> >> -- daniel >> >> >> -- >> Daniel Kinzler >> Senior Software Developer >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland >> Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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