--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, donald hwong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Thank all 23 postings.
>  I have some very interesting observation.
>  It seems to me that spirituality is defined by most posts as 
a "personal spiritual experience."  And this experience is quite  
different from one to the other.  And everyone in the Zen community 
seems to agree that there is spirituality in Zen.
>  I have also learnt, as Adrian pointed out, Asian spirituality is 
part of every day life, while Western separate the physical one from 
the spiritual one. (i.e. I am going to be spiritual now) That is very 
true, because  western philosophers are not popular among common 
Asians. Very few heard of Socrates to Sartre.  Chinese don't live in 
philosophical terminology.
> Chinese have heard of mostly LaoTzu, ChuangTzu, Confucius and 
Buddha.  They all contain some spirituality.  No wonder this word 
does not show up readily in China.
> Also, as Bill pointed out, I believe the word "spirituality" may be 
Judeo-Christian in nature.  The questioner is trying to compare the 
two.  Because in China, ghost stories, reincarnations, going to hell 
are bed time stories. I grew up by listening to my grandma those 
stories. Even those who probably don't have "personal spiritual 
experience", still may believe or expect such experience. I come to 
realize that basic Chinese culture is tainted with some spirituality. 
Or you may call it superstition.
> So interesting to learn that one can live a certain life style and 
don't have the word and awareness to describe it.  
> Namaste,
> Donald
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To draw a thread through the Judeo-Christian concept and Buddhism, I 
like the idea Thich Naht Hahn proposed in "Living Buddha, Living 
Christ."  He basically equates "the holy spirit" to a person is 
mindful.  I have been reading the new Testament and it actually fits 
rather well.  Stretch your thinking a bit to accomodate the obvious 
differences in terminology:

8: 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are 
controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. 
(And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living 
in them do not belong to him at all.)10 And Christ lives within you, 
so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives 
you life* because you have been made right with God.11 The Spirit of 
God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you...

8:12 Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to 
do what your sinful nature urges you to do.13 For if you live by its 
dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you 
put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.


To me this is identical with the instructions given to us by the 
Buddha.  Be mindful and do what is skillful.  Don't do what is not 
skillful.  The "spirit" is the energy of mindfulness.  They call it a 
spirit, we just call it being mindful, or don't call it anything!

You know what else is cool, is that in Hebrew the word for Spirit is 
the same for the word for "wind."  We can think of "wind" as breath 
if we want.  It all comes back to the breath!

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