From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - "I suspect that Zen is just a mental balancing 
excercise without spirituality."

I agree that the New Age Zen of today is like that.

>Well? If you don't agree, then what is Zen.>

When I was younger, the books that I read seemed to point to the issue of 
karma and spiritual connection from zazen. That is how I understood it based 
on my upbringing as a person of faith and spirituality. I think that is how 
you describe CHAN? 


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