Re: [Zen] Character Building

[Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明]

Hi Al,  I would not say that HPZ is NOT Chan, but a subset of Chan.  Besides, we use the term Content instead of Happy in Chan It is not my position nor mission to academically compare Zen and Chan. This road serves no purpose. I will however explain what Chan is if the readers are interested.   Since I brought up the subject however, I will complete it...... I believe Zen could be just a subset of Chan.  Zen seems to have all the visible forms -- words, concepts and descriptions of Chan, but not the invisible part of Chan,  karma, cause, etc.  If so then Zen is incomplete from my understanding of Chan.  Chan deals with everything in the universe, whether it is labeled as supernatural, unscientific, energy, field, maya, samsara.  Chan is simple and direct.  It is taught without words and formalities.  And the gate to enter it is absolute stillness and absolute surrender of ego. JM Fitness63 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - > I don't seem to understand your comment on what I wrote. I don't find them relate to each other.> OK. You say Chan is about karma and liberation? I agree. I think that HAPPY PEOPLE ZEN is what is now being taught in many places in America. It is NO KARMA, just HAPPY PEOPLE no matter what. Just zazen and BE HAPPY. That is not CHAN. OK? __._,_.___ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___