Well, Bill. If we say, THIS is Chi. The world is all maya except Chi. Can you accept? If I accept your term of THIS, which I always did. Just the way you described it is incomplete. Can you not accept my term of Chi? Chi gives life to your "THIS". Chi is the original THIS.
:-) Bill Smart wrote: > > Al, > > Edgar is right (that really means I have the same opinion). No > attachments, only THIS. That is all zen is. It's up to you to > decide whether that is lame-o or not. I think putting your belief in > a idea of a life force or chi is pretty lame-o. You might as well re- > read Genesis and believe in a talking snake, or maybe even a soul - > with or without a hole. All of these things are maya, and a lot of > maya does make you feel good, comfortable, in control, understanding - > that warm and fuzzy feeling. Zen is not warm and fuzzy. Zen is > crisp and clear. It's the ultimate WSYWIG. > > When you experience THIS, and only THIS, (without any maya distorting > things), then you experience ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING - full and > complete, not 'just a void', unless your idea of a void is what you > have left when you eliminate all maya. > > While I'm posting to you I'd like to address one other thing you've > said. You don't like the idea that zen is 'whatever you want'. I > don't either. Zen is not just 'whatever you want'. Zen is THIS, and > THIS is not just 'whatever you want. 'Whatever you want' requires > a 'you' (self) and an attachment. You cannot experience THIS through > a self or under the influence of attachments. > > A Christian equivilent to this would be 'not my will but Yours be > done.' This is not just 'anything you want'. > > ...Bill! > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Fitness63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Edgar Owen >Right, let go of everything. No attachments. Only > > this....> > > > > If that is all Zen is, it seems pretty lame-O. I thought the idea > of getting > > to ONLY THIS is what JM was talking about. You get to the > impermanence in > > order to get to the CHI, the life-force. > > > > You are saying that just getting to the VOID is all there is. That > is what I > > would call the hole in your soul. > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/