Well, Bill. If we say, THIS is Chi.  The world is all maya except Chi.  
Can you accept?  If I accept your term of THIS, which I always did. Just 
the way you described it is incomplete.  Can you not accept my term of 
Chi?  Chi gives life to your "THIS".  Chi is the original THIS.


Bill Smart wrote:
> Al,
> Edgar is right (that really means I have the same opinion). No
> attachments, only THIS. That is all zen is. It's up to you to
> decide whether that is lame-o or not. I think putting your belief in
> a idea of a life force or chi is pretty lame-o. You might as well re-
> read Genesis and believe in a talking snake, or maybe even a soul -
> with or without a hole. All of these things are maya, and a lot of
> maya does make you feel good, comfortable, in control, understanding -
> that warm and fuzzy feeling. Zen is not warm and fuzzy. Zen is
> crisp and clear. It's the ultimate WSYWIG.
> When you experience THIS, and only THIS, (without any maya distorting
> things), then you experience ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING - full and
> complete, not 'just a void', unless your idea of a void is what you
> have left when you eliminate all maya.
> While I'm posting to you I'd like to address one other thing you've
> said. You don't like the idea that zen is 'whatever you want'. I
> don't either. Zen is not just 'whatever you want'. Zen is THIS, and
> THIS is not just 'whatever you want. 'Whatever you want' requires
> a 'you' (self) and an attachment. You cannot experience THIS through
> a self or under the influence of attachments.
> A Christian equivilent to this would be 'not my will but Yours be
> done.' This is not just 'anything you want'.
> ...Bill!
> ...Bill!
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> "Fitness63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > From: Edgar Owen >Right, let go of everything. No attachments. Only
> > this....>
> >
> > If that is all Zen is, it seems pretty lame-O. I thought the idea
> of getting
> > to ONLY THIS is what JM was talking about. You get to the
> impermanence in
> > order to get to the CHI, the life-force.
> >
> > You are saying that just getting to the VOID is all there is. That
> is what I
> > would call the hole in your soul.
> >


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