JMJM and AL,
Zen is not a subset of Chan. Chan is a subset of zen.
Chan, at least as JMJM represents it, it a religion, a subset of Buddhism.
JMJM is right when he says zen does not have any spirituality. Spirituality is
maya. Karma is maya.
Remember, JUST THIS! Zen's difficulty is it is SO SIMPLE and SO BASIC and SO
PURE that it is easy to miss when your rational mind is busy being dualistic.
JMJM is wrong. Zen is not 'just a mind exercise'. Zen is NO-MIND. JUST THIS!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jue Miao
Jing Ming - ????
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Character Building
I would not say that HPZ is NOT Chan, but a subset of Chan. Besides, we use
the term Content instead of Happy in Chan
It is not my position nor mission to academically compare Zen and Chan. This
road serves no purpose. I will however explain what Chan is if the readers are
interested. Since I brought up the subject however, I will complete it......
I believe Zen could be just a subset of Chan. Zen seems to have all the
visible forms -- words, concepts and descriptions of Chan, but not the
invisible part of Chan, karma, cause, etc. If so then Zen is incomplete from
my understanding of Chan.
Chan deals with everything in the universe, whether it is labeled as
supernatural, unscientific, energy, field, maya, samsara. Chan is simple and
direct. It is taught without words and formalities. And the gate to enter it
is absolute stillness and absolute surrender of ego.
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - > I don't seem to understand your comment on what
I wrote. I don't find them relate to each other.>
OK. You say Chan is about karma and liberation? I agree.
I think that HAPPY PEOPLE ZEN is what is now being taught in many places in
America. It is NO KARMA, just HAPPY PEOPLE no matter what. Just zazen and BE
That is not CHAN. OK?
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