DP,

We should not regard zen messages as linguistic tricks. In this case, Bill 
should be able to enlighten us, despite his ostensibly encouraging killing and 
looting.

Anthony

--- On Sun, 15/8/10, DP <dave.dplat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: DP <dave.dplat...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 15 August, 2010, 10:35 PM
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> I have been doing zazen for awhile now, but I've gone
> weeks and months at a time without doing it... getting up
> and doing it regularly is very difficult for me.
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> I like to consider myself, in the words of Evelyn
> Underhill, a "practical mystic."  I find koans
> sometimes useful, but I find that I am also drawn to the
> ideas of Thich Nhat Hanh, of imbuing everything with purpose
> (of course, this can be hard with OCD, in which every action
> seems to have hidden consequences). I'm a little turned
> off by some of what I find obfuscating in some zen messages,
> the people who hide behind linguistic tricks. Is that a
> little too cynical? Am I asking too many questions? :)
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> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
> Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
> <chan.j...@...> wrote:
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> >   Hi DP,
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> > We have people suffer from the same.
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> > Do you know how to do belly breathing?  If yes, please
> do belly 
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> > breathing while meditating.
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> > If you don't know, I will send you the
> instruction. As long as you 
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> > meditate daily at the same time and place with belly
> breathing, in just 
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> > three month, you'll notice improvements to your
> condition.
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> > JM
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> > -- 
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> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
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> > http://www.heartchan.org
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> > On 8/15/2010 6:46 AM, DP wrote:
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> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
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> > > Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
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> > > > Welcome to the zen forum DP;
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> > > > What is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?.Â
>  What's that about?.
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> > > I could try to explain it myself, but these do it
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> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_compulsive_disorder
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> > > My particular kind of OCD is closest to
> Scrupulosity.
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> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_compulsive_disorder
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> > > Is being Christian an impediment to me being on
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> > > > Thank your for the openeness, honestity and
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> > > you.Â
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> > > > Mayka
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> > > > --- On Sat, 14/8/10, DP
> <dave.dplatt72@> wrote:
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> > > > From: DP <dave.dplatt72@>
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> > > > Subject: [Zen] Namaste- first message
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> > > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > Date: Saturday, 14 August, 2010, 16:35
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> > > > HI, I am new here, and I would like to give
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> > > > I am 38, and I have been meditating on and
> off for about two years, 
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> > > reading about Zen for about 10. I find that zazen
> helps with my 
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> > > Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, and while I
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> uncertainty. the fact 
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> > > > I am nominally Christian, but I lean towards
> the more liberal end, 
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> Christianity's strength being in 
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> > > its ethical system, at least when properly
> applied. I would become 
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> > > even more involved with Zen, sadly there is no
> real Zendo near where I 
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> > > live.
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> > > > Anything else anyone would like to know?
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> > -- 
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> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
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> > http://www.heartchan.org
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