DP, I have no better cures, but as Zen Master Seung Sahn says, 'you should keep a "try" mind'. Keep trying everything, including
Combatting nihilism, which seems to be your main psychological symptom. Taking antidepressant. Your sickness may be a physiological one, instead of, or in addition to psychological. Seung Sahn said that regarding a drug addict cured by zen practice. Anthony --- On Wed, 18/8/10, DP <[email protected]> wrote: > From: DP <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010, 8:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to do that, but then that makes > everything just seem fleeting and more meaningless. The best > way of putting is like the replicant at the end of Blade > Runner "all these moments will be lost like tears in > rain." I feel like all the sweet things I taste, all > the books I enjoy, etc. ultimately have no meaning, and are > therefore worthless. > > The berries don't taste sweet, they taste like ash at > that point. > > > > --- In [email protected], > Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote: > > > > > > DP: > > >  > > > Knowing and feeling in one the perspective of death > is not as bad thing as you think. If you feel in that > way you must also be feeling at the same time how precious > is our time and the present moment. Perhaps you could > use that as a meanings to feel yourself truly alive > right now.  > > >  > > > Take good advantage of this condition you have to > explore in depths what death is about and by doing > that after processing the fear, > horror...you'll be very appreciative > of life. Just an idea. > > >  > > > Good luck to you. And take good care. > > > Mayka > > >  > > > --- On Tue, 17/8/10, DP <dave.dplat...@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: DP <dave.dplat...@...> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, 17 August, 2010, 2:42 > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I've tried something similar, but I find myself > falling into despair and depression. The idea of dying > becomes so real that things start to lose any meaning or > resonance. I can't enjoy or feel anything when I embrace > fear. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear DP: > > > >  > > > > Don't take too seriously anything you read in > forums and internet in general. Your questions are > difficult questions to be answered by the ones who have not > in them the OCD experience. Only yourself can > answer all those questions but if you > can't find any answer in you yet, then let it be > as it is. Accept it as it manifests in > you. Don't fight against it. And > don't worry because FEAR in general is something we all > have in us in more or less measure. Fear of death, > Fear of living, Fear of love, Fear losing our employment, > Fear of speaking our minds....there is always fear in > us.  While experiencing strong fear I > embrace this emotion through the breathing and by facing > it. Perhaps you may like to try too and see what > you experience. > > > >  > > > > Mayka > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > --- On Mon, 16/8/10, DP <dave.dplatt72@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: DP <dave.dplatt72@> > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Date: Monday, 16 August, 2010, 14:53 > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this is what I meant by linguistic tricks. > I was on another forum in which I was talking about how my > OCD was related to my fear of death. I had two different > reactions - one along the lines of "why worry about > death?" (telling someone with OCD not to worry or why > worry is exactly the wrong thing to do) the other was that I > had to admit that my OCD was an illusion. This last one > really bothered me, and the poster went further on to say > that "disease = dis ease," which I thought was > trite and not very helpful. I soon gave up on that forum. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comments are embedded in your post > below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf > > > > > Of DP > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 9:36 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message > > > > > > > > > > I have been doing zazen for awhile now, but > I've gone weeks and months at a > > > > > time without doing it... getting up and > doing it regularly is very difficult > > > > > for me. > > > > > > > > > > [Bill!] Difficulty is a good thing - a > teaching thing. > > > > > > > > > > I like to consider myself, in the words of > Evelyn Underhill, a "practical > > > > > mystic." I find koans sometimes useful, > but I find that I am also drawn to > > > > > the ideas of Thich Nhat Hanh, of imbuing > everything with purpose (of course, > > > > > this can be hard with OCD, in which every > action seems to have hidden > > > > > consequences). > > > > > > > > > > [Bill!] I would think that anyone with OCD > would not find it difficult at > > > > > all to 'imbue everything with > purpose'. That's what OCD means, doesn't it? > > > > > Zen is the opposite of that. Zen has no > purpose, no goal. Zen is Just > > > > > THIS! > > > > > > > > > > I'm a little turned off by some of what > I find obfuscating in some zen > > > > > messages, the people who hide behind > linguistic tricks. Is that a little too > > > > > cynical? Am I asking too many questions? :) > > > > > > > > > > [Bill!] What I think you see as > 'linguistic tricks' in zen are probably just > > > > > the results of frustration at trying to > communicate non-dualistic > > > > > experiences using language which is based on > dualisms. That, or an attempt > > > > > at using language in a non-ordinary way > (like koans, which you said you find > > > > > 'useful' sometimes) to help induce a > break in dualistic thinking. > > > > > > > > > > .Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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