I've tried something similar, but I find myself falling into despair and 
depression. The idea of dying becomes so real that things start to lose any 
meaning or resonance. I can't enjoy or feel anything when I embrace fear.

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote:
> Dear DP:
> Don't take too seriously anything you read in forums and internet in 
> general.  Your questions are difficult questions to be answered by the ones 
> who have not in them the OCD experience.  Only yourself can answer all those 
> questions but if you can't find any answer in you yet, then let it be as it 
> is.  Accept it as it manifests in you.  Don't fight against it.  And don't 
> worry because FEAR in general is something we all have in us in more or less 
> measure.  Fear of death, Fear of living, Fear of love, Fear losing our 
> employment, Fear of speaking our minds....there is always fear in us.    
> While experiencing strong fear I embrace this emotion through the breathing 
> and by facing it.  Perhaps you may like to try too and see what you 
> experience.  
> Mayka
> --- On Mon, 16/8/10, DP <dave.dplat...@...> wrote:
> From: DP <dave.dplat...@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 16 August, 2010, 14:53
> Well, this is what I meant by linguistic tricks. I was on another forum in 
> which I was talking about how my OCD was related to my fear of death. I had 
> two different reactions - one along the lines of "why worry about death?" 
> (telling someone with OCD not to worry or why worry is exactly the wrong 
> thing to do) the other was that I had to admit that my OCD was an illusion. 
> This last one really bothered me, and the poster went further on to say that 
> "disease = dis ease," which I thought was trite and not very helpful. I soon 
> gave up on that forum.
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My comments are embedded in your post below:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of DP
> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 9:36 PM
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message
> > 
> > I have been doing zazen for awhile now, but I've gone weeks and months at a
> > time without doing it... getting up and doing it regularly is very difficult
> > for me.
> > 
> > [Bill!] Difficulty is a good thing - a teaching thing.
> > 
> > I like to consider myself, in the words of Evelyn Underhill, a "practical
> > mystic." I find koans sometimes useful, but I find that I am also drawn to
> > the ideas of Thich Nhat Hanh, of imbuing everything with purpose (of course,
> > this can be hard with OCD, in which every action seems to have hidden
> > consequences).
> > 
> > [Bill!] I would think that anyone with OCD would not find it difficult at
> > all to 'imbue everything with purpose'. That's what OCD means, doesn't it?
> > Zen is the opposite of that. Zen has no purpose, no goal. Zen is Just
> > THIS!
> > 
> > I'm a little turned off by some of what I find obfuscating in some zen
> > messages, the people who hide behind linguistic tricks. Is that a little too
> > cynical? Am I asking too many questions? :)
> > 
> > [Bill!] What I think you see as 'linguistic tricks' in zen are probably just
> > the results of frustration at trying to communicate non-dualistic
> > experiences using language which is based on dualisms. That, or an attempt
> > at using language in a non-ordinary way (like koans, which you said you find
> > 'useful' sometimes) to help induce a break in dualistic thinking.
> > 
> > .Bill!
> >


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