I've tried something similar, but I find myself falling into despair and depression. The idea of dying becomes so real that things start to lose any meaning or resonance. I can't enjoy or feel anything when I embrace fear.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote: > > Dear DP: > Â > Don't take too seriously anything you read in forums and internet in > general.Â Your questions are difficult questions to be answered by the ones > who have not in them the OCD experience.Â Only yourself can answer all those > questionsÂ but if you can'tÂ find any answer in you yet, then let it be as it > is.Â Accept it as it manifests in you.Â Don't fight against it.Â And don't > worry because FEAR in general is something we all have in us in more or less > measure.Â Fear of death, Fear of living, Fear of love, Fear losing our > employment, Fear of speaking our minds....there is always fear in us.Â Â > While experiencing strong fear I embrace this emotion through the breathing > and by facing it.Â Perhaps you may like to try too and see what you > experience.Â > Â > Mayka > Â > Â > Â > --- On Mon, 16/8/10, DP <dave.dplat...@...> wrote: > > > From: DP <dave.dplat...@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, 16 August, 2010, 14:53 > > > Â > > > > > Well, this is what I meant by linguistic tricks. I was on another forum in > which I was talking about how my OCD was related to my fear of death. I had > two different reactions - one along the lines of "why worry about death?" > (telling someone with OCD not to worry or why worry is exactly the wrong > thing to do) the other was that I had to admit that my OCD was an illusion. > This last one really bothered me, and the poster went further on to say that > "disease = dis ease," which I thought was trite and not very helpful. I soon > gave up on that forum. > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > My comments are embedded in your post below: > > > > > > > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of DP > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 9:36 PM > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Namaste- first message > > > > I have been doing zazen for awhile now, but I've gone weeks and months at a > > time without doing it... getting up and doing it regularly is very difficult > > for me. > > > > [Bill!] Difficulty is a good thing - a teaching thing. > > > > I like to consider myself, in the words of Evelyn Underhill, a "practical > > mystic." I find koans sometimes useful, but I find that I am also drawn to > > the ideas of Thich Nhat Hanh, of imbuing everything with purpose (of course, > > this can be hard with OCD, in which every action seems to have hidden > > consequences). > > > > [Bill!] I would think that anyone with OCD would not find it difficult at > > all to 'imbue everything with purpose'. That's what OCD means, doesn't it? > > Zen is the opposite of that. Zen has no purpose, no goal. Zen is Just > > THIS! > > > > I'm a little turned off by some of what I find obfuscating in some zen > > messages, the people who hide behind linguistic tricks. Is that a little too > > cynical? Am I asking too many questions? :) > > > > [Bill!] What I think you see as 'linguistic tricks' in zen are probably just > > the results of frustration at trying to communicate non-dualistic > > experiences using language which is based on dualisms. That, or an attempt > > at using language in a non-ordinary way (like koans, which you said you find > > 'useful' sometimes) to help induce a break in dualistic thinking. > > > > .Bill! > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/