So what is Sufi training like?  I assume there is no zazen, do they have dharma 
talks, retreats, interviews, work practise, meal practise?  

Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:07, "salik888" <novelid...@aol.com> wrote:

> Yes, much more . . . it is like Zen Buddhism or Kabbalist or what have you . 
> . . really goofy on the outside with the commercialization that others were 
> talking about . . . but about being in the world but not of the world, which 
> gets you, well everything?
> 
> Freedom
> 
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Kirk
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@...> wrote:
>> 
>> So people are saying that there is more to the Sufi way than the Rumi quote
>> calendars at the health food store or the Martian whirling dervishes in Kim
>> Stanley Robinson's books?
>> 
>> OK, I am listening.
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2010 7:10 PM, <billsm...@...> wrote:
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>> 
>> Chris and Artie,
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>> 
>> I assume from the context the Sufi use of the term ‘beloved’ is 
>> equivalent
>> to the Zen Buddhist term ‘Buddha Nature’.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What are your thoughts?   …Bill!
>> 
>> 
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>> *From:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *roloro1557
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:56 AM
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>> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
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>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance
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>> 
>> Chris-
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>> 
>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, novelidea8@ wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is the beloved to you?
>> 
>> To me "th...
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