Artie, There is nothing that needs to be done. True.
As in the case of a 'Beloved'. There is nothing that needs to be done. Love is complete unto itself. If you truly love someone you don't need to do anything more. Loving is enough. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of roloro1557 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:52 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance Bill- Alright :-) If we are going to look at it this way then there is nothing that needs to be "done", "worshiped", "sought after", etc, and etc. People already have the Buddha Nature, or the Beloved- it's just that some of them don't realize they have it. For those that don't realize yet that they have it, I recommend zazen or koan study. Or "just stopping the mind" as the old Chinese advised. As I said before: "Everyday mind is zen mind" or "Marvelous spiritual power; chopping wood and carrying water!" or "If you want to understand zen directly, the normal mind is zen mind." And my favorite: "Someone asked Xuedou, 'What is the living meaning of zen?' Xuedou said, 'The mountains are high, the oceans are wide.' " Until you "get it" these things don't seem to make sense and people think there must be some deep mystical thing they are missing. After you "get it" you realize it was there all along! ;-) Artie --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > Chris and Artie, > > > > I assume from the context the Sufi use of the term 'beloved' is equivalent > to the Zen Buddhist term 'Buddha Nature'. > > > > What are your thoughts? > > > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of roloro1557 > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:56 AM > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance > > Chris- > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> , > novelidea8@ wrote: > > > > What is the beloved to you? > > To me "the beloved" is a concept, an idea, and has no meaning at all. > There is no reality in it. In other words I don't "believe in" a "beloved". __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5453 (20100915) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5453 (20100915) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/