Dear Artie Now we are getting somewhere . . . the reference to the beloved would be for -- "it's just that some of them don't realize they have it."
It is for those people. And likewise, Koans and many other things could lead to good work . . . at this point, I don't think chopping wood and carrying water would lead to much . . . way to over used. In fact refuting things using Zen platitudes leads to only, well . . . refuting things . . . not oceans and mountains. donkey is never happy it could be mislaid my axe and spilled the water K among the water spillers --- In [email protected], "roloro1557" <roloro1...@...> wrote: > > Bill- > > Alright :-) If we are going to look at it this way then there is nothing that > needs to be "done", "worshiped", "sought after", etc, and etc. People already > have the Buddha Nature, or the Beloved- it's just that some of them don't > realize they have it. For those that don't realize yet that they have it, I > recommend zazen or koan study. > Or "just stopping the mind" as the old Chinese advised. As I said before: > > "Everyday mind is zen mind" or "Marvelous spiritual power; chopping wood and > carrying water!" or "If you want to understand zen directly, the normal mind > is zen mind." And my favorite: "Someone asked Xuedou, 'What is the living > meaning of zen?' Xuedou said, 'The mountains are high, the oceans are wide.' " > > Until you "get it" these things don't seem to make sense and people think > there must be some deep mystical thing they are missing. After you "get it" > you realize it was there all along! ;-) > > Artie > > > > --- In [email protected], <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Chris and Artie, > > > > > > > > I assume from the context the Sufi use of the term 'beloved' is equivalent > > to the Zen Buddhist term 'Buddha Nature'. > > > > > > > > What are your thoughts? > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > > Of roloro1557 > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:56 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance > > > > Chris- > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> , > > novelidea8@ wrote: > > > > > > What is the beloved to you? > > > > To me "the beloved" is a concept, an idea, and has no meaning at all. > > There is no reality in it. In other words I don't "believe in" a "beloved". > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
