I very much agree, and very well put Chris :-) I think "achieving mystic union with some Beloved" is just another concept that takes one further from zen. To me zen is about reality, about shedding concepts and judgements. To me zen is getting rid of ideas about reality and dealing with reality directly.
Also, to me, zen is about doing things 100%, being totally present, as the saying "when the dancer becomes the dance" or as I said in another post "marvelous spiritual power, chopping wood and carrying water!" Not mysticism, just reality please- straight, no chaser :-) Artie --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@...> wrote: > > hopefully arranged into an appropriate pattern to make my point that > zen, as I understand it, is nothing to do with our dreams to escape ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > the mundane reality we see before us to achieve mystic union with ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > some Beloved. It is not about escaping life, but a way to engage all ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > of life in a balanced and realistic fashion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/