I am not a Catholic, nor am I a fan of the current pope, who was part of the mechanations to put down Liberation Theology, one of the positive thing that has come out of the Catholic Church. I feel no need to defend Ratzinger, so you are indeed barking up the wrong tree.
Gosh, religious people disagree on stuff! How shocking! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusub...@...> wrote: > > Thanks Mayka, reading you loud and clear! Just one thing. I think that > "aggresive and destructive" criticism can sometimes be a good thing. The > recent > demonstrations in London against the Popes visit there spring to mind. Here > is > the head of a religious organisationÂ that systematically brushed under the > carpet instances of child rape in order to preserve its good name. Shame. And > what does he say in his address? (are you listening DP?) > He compares unbelief in faith to the rise of Hitlerism in Germany.Â Wanker! > He > should be locked up.Â I'm serious. > > MikeÂ > > > > ________________________________ > From: maria818448 <flordel...@...> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:04:23 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. > > Â > Hi Mike again: > > I'm writing to your from the zen forum website. Some of the posting from the > zen > fourm went missed out such as this one from you. > > > My previous post was pointing out about very aggresive and destructive > criticism. That kind of criticism in which one just shouts anger out to > his/her > object of dissapointment. I certainly agree with you and criticism is > necessary > the fact that TNH himself and his institutions don't handle well criticism > makes > even stronger my point. When a person has a difference of opinion and makes > critics to the institution they're good enough to ignore you completely and > let > you on the side....And that of course is very irritating and can lead to > anger > later on. In religion for as long you are in the same flow one is ok but as > soon > one starts to thinking by oneselve alone...or say something contrary to the > established power in the institution....WoooooooW!!!. > > > Mayka > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Mayka, > > > > It goes waaaaaaaaay beyond mere "disappontment" in any established > > religious > > institutions. I really don't understand why religion gets a "free pass" > > from > > criticism. We attack the oil industry for polluting the environment; > > goverment/politicians for corruption and other socially unacceptable > > behaviours > > > > etc. What is it about religion that can claim "I'm offended" as a valid > >argument > > > > against scrutiny and even ridicule? If I said the world was flat you'd > > probably > > > > think I was mentally sick. But deny evolution (despite the overwhelming > > scientific eveidence) and that's ok because I claim to have 'faith' in a > > bronze-age myth.ÃÂ And I'm not even going to begin with the > > institutionalised > > cover-up of child rape by the Catholic church.. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, 4 October, 2010 22:51:51 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your > >church. > > > > ÃÂ > > Hi Mike and Everyone! > > ÃÂ > > If everytime one has a dissapointment in any established religious > > institution > > > whetherÃÂ that dissapointmentÃÂ wasÃÂ in Christian, Muslim, Jew, > > Buddhist, Zen > > Buddhist, etc, etc institutions: ÃÂ andÃÂ afterwardsÃÂ acts asÃÂ a > > destructor > >towards > > > > the institution from which dissapointment took place, then it doesn't sound > > a > > very wise way of doing towards oneself.ÃÂ I certainly include myself in > > this > > unwise way of doing as I've recently experienced a great dissapointment in > > the > > > TNH institutions which lead me to criticism of them. Though never > >asÃÂ irrespetuos > > > > or destructiveÃÂ as many atheists show themselves ugly behaviourÃÂ in > > front of > > Christianity.ÃÂ This harmful way of doing doesn't affect the instituions > > established but just to the ones who carries away such violent shows.ÃÂ > > ÃÂ > > ÃÂ When I look deeply into myself, IÃÂ realice that it was me all the way > > alone > >who > > > > built up a pedestal to that institution.ÃÂ It was me who caused herself > > the > > dissapointment for building a pedestal of "holiness, peace....to the > > institution".ÃÂ They weren't the ones!!!.ÃÂ Having seeing this within > > myself I > >am > > > > now grateful having found that institution from which I was introduced in > > the > > walk of zen buddhism. > > ÃÂ > > ÃÂ I was ever dissapointed in any Christian institutions because I never > > built > >up > > > > a pedestal to the instituion!.ÃÂ And so my experience was always healthy > > and > > positive.ÃÂ It was positive because I never put that instituion in a > >pedestal.ÃÂ I > > > > saw it for what it was.ÃÂ And so I could get all the benefit from it and > > never > > > the dissapointment and the anger and frustation that comes with it. > > ÃÂ > > Mayka > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/10/10, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > >From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your > > church. > > >To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > >Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 11:33 > > > > > > > > >ÃÂ > > >Kristy, > > > > > >You wrote:ÃÂ "If you have faith, there is a whole sphere they are > > >ignorant > > >about."ÃÂ > > > > > > > > >However, this isn't really the whole story. Many atheists were once > > >believers > > > >who have seen thru 'faith' and have rejected it for what it is. Moreover, > > >I am > > > > >ignorant of what it is to be aÃÂ neo-nazis, but have no trouble rejecting > > >their > > > > >beliefs as not just harmful, but wrong. > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/