--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusub...@...> wrote:
>
> DP,
>
> That post was addressed to Mayka so I don't know why you felt you were called
> upon on to defend the pope.
>
Perhaps because you wrote "(are you listening DP?)" So yes, you did address me.
>
> Mike
>
> ps, you don't have to tell me about religious people disagreeing on things.
> It
> usually involves them killing each other about whose god is the most peaceful.
>
You don't need religion to have people kill each other over disagreements...
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: DP <wookielife...@...>
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:40:29
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
>
> Â
> I am not a Catholic, nor am I a fan of the current pope, who was part of the
> mechanations to put down Liberation Theology, one of the positive thing that
> has
> come out of the Catholic Church. I feel no need to defend Ratzinger, so you
> are
> indeed barking up the wrong tree.
>
> Gosh, religious people disagree on stuff! How shocking!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Mayka, reading you loud and clear! Just one thing. I think that
> > "aggresive and destructive" criticism can sometimes be a good thing. The
> > recent
> >
> > demonstrations in London against the Popes visit there spring to mind. Here
> > is
>
> > the head of a religious organisationÃÂ that systematically brushed under
> > the
> > carpet instances of child rape in order to preserve its good name. Shame.
> > And
> > what does he say in his address? (are you listening DP?)
> > He compares unbelief in faith to the rise of Hitlerism in
> > Germany.ÃÂ Wanker! He
>
> > should be locked up.ÃÂ I'm serious.
> >
> > MikeÃÂ
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: maria818448 <flordeloto@>
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:04:23
> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > Hi Mike again:
> >
> > I'm writing to your from the zen forum website. Some of the posting from
> > the
> >zen
> >
> > fourm went missed out such as this one from you.
> >
> >
> > My previous post was pointing out about very aggresive and destructive
> > criticism. That kind of criticism in which one just shouts anger out to
> > his/her
> >
> > object of dissapointment. I certainly agree with you and criticism is
> > necessary
> >
> > the fact that TNH himself and his institutions don't handle well criticism
> >makes
> >
> > even stronger my point. When a person has a difference of opinion and makes
> > critics to the institution they're good enough to ignore you completely and
> > let
> >
> > you on the side....And that of course is very irritating and can lead to
> > anger
>
> > later on. In religion for as long you are in the same flow one is ok but as
> >soon
> >
> > one starts to thinking by oneselve alone...or say something contrary to the
> > established power in the institution....WoooooooW!!!.
> >
> >
> > Mayka
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mayka,
> > >
> > > It goes waaaaaaaaay beyond mere "disappontment" in any established
> > > religious
>
> > > institutions. I really don't understand why religion gets a "free pass"
> > > from
>
> > > criticism. We attack the oil industry for polluting the environment;
> > > goverment/politicians for corruption and other socially unacceptable
> >behaviours
> >
> > >
> > > etc. What is it about religion that can claim "I'm offended" as a valid
> > >argument
> > >
> > > against scrutiny and even ridicule? If I said the world was flat you'd
> >probably
> >
> > >
> > > think I was mentally sick. But deny evolution (despite the overwhelming
> > > scientific eveidence) and that's ok because I claim to have 'faith' in a
> > > bronze-age myth.ÃâàAnd I'm not even going to begin with the
> >institutionalised
> >
> > > cover-up of child rape by the Catholic church..
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@>
> > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, 4 October, 2010 22:51:51
> > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your
> > >church.
> > >
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > Hi Mike and Everyone!
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > If everytime one has a dissapointment in any established religious
> >institution
> >
> >
> > > whetherÃâàthat dissapointmentÃâàwasÃâàin Christian,
> > > Muslim, Jew, Buddhist,
> >Zen
> >
> > > Buddhist, etc, etc institutions: ÃâàandÃâÃÂ
> > > afterwardsÃâàacts asÃâàa
> >destructor
> >
> > >towards
> > >
> > > the institution from which dissapointment took place, then it doesn't
> > > sound a
> >
> > > very wise way of doing towards oneself.ÃâàI certainly include
> > > myself in
> >this
> >
> > > unwise way of doing as I've recently experienced a great dissapointment
> > > in
> >the
> >
> >
> > > TNH institutions which lead me to criticism of them. Though never
> > >asÃâàirrespetuos
> > >
> > > or destructiveÃâàas many atheists show themselves ugly
> > > behaviourÃâàin front
> >of
> >
> > > Christianity.ÃâàThis harmful way of doing doesn't affect the
> > > instituions
> > > established but just to the ones who carries away such violent
> > > shows.ÃâÃÂ
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > ÃâàWhen I look deeply into myself, IÃâàrealice that it was me
> > > all the way
> >alone
> >
> > >who
> > >
> > > built up a pedestal to that institution.ÃâàIt was me who caused
> > > herself the
> >
> > > dissapointment for building a pedestal of "holiness, peace....to the
> > > institution".ÃâàThey weren't the ones!!!.ÃâàHaving seeing
> > > this within
> >myself I
> >
> > >am
> > >
> > > now grateful having found that institution from which I was introduced in
> > > the
> >
> > > walk of zen buddhism.
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > ÃâàI was ever dissapointed in any Christian institutions because I
> > > never
> >built
> >
> > >up
> > >
> > > a pedestal to the instituion!.ÃâàAnd so my experience was always
> > > healthy
> >and
> >
> > > positive.ÃâàIt was positive because I never put that instituion in
> > > a
> > >pedestal.ÃâàI
> > >
> > > saw it for what it was.ÃâàAnd so I could get all the benefit from
> > > it and
> >never
> >
> >
> > > the dissapointment and the anger and frustation that comes with it.
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > Mayka
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 3/10/10, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your
> > > church.
> > > >To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 11:33
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >ÃâÃÂ
> > > >Kristy,
> > > >
> > > >You wrote:Ãâà"If you have faith, there is a whole sphere they are
> > > >ignorant
> >
> > > >about."ÃâÃÂ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >However, this isn't really the whole story. Many atheists were once
> >believers
> >
> >
> > > >who have seen thru 'faith' and have rejected it for what it is.
> > > >Moreover, I
> >am
> >
> > >
> > > >ignorant of what it is to be aÃâàneo-nazis, but have no trouble
> > > >rejecting
> >their
> >
> > >
> > > >beliefs as not just harmful, but wrong.
> > > >
> > > >Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> DP,
>
------------------------------------
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/
<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional
<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join
(Yahoo! ID required)
<*> To change settings via email:
zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com
zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
