Hi, Mayka

I was born in Barcelona, lived there till I married, now near Barcelona

San Sebastián is a very nice place. You are fortunate to be born there.
My wife and I still remember the lunch we had at Le Panier Fleuri! Fantastic 
(even if Maya...)

You are always welcome, but I am a learner and even been talkative, when I do 
not know, I tend to sit and hear..and try to learn

With best wishes

Lluís
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maria Lopez 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas


    
        Hi Lluis:

        Do you really live near Barcelona?.  My boyfriend is from Barcelona and 
I was borne in San Sebastian?.  What an extraordinary coincidence to meet in 
the forum someone from home!.  Looking forward to reading your posting.  

        Mayka

        --- On Wed, 3/11/10, Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es> wrote:


          From: Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es>
          Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
          To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010, 10:28


            
           
          Hi, Mayka

          Yes, Mendieta is my real surname. Yes, it is basque, as far as I know 
coming from mendietan, meaning "place in the mountains" (mendi= mountain, hill; 
etan: place, site)
          It was also a veiceroy in South America named Mendieta, and some 
Mendieta are in South America.
          Not a very usual surname, certainly.
          Not found also in which country he was viceroy...  :-(

          Not a big wonder of a basque surname with a catalan name. Till I can 
track, in father's side of family, have been only males, so, inherited first 
family name, despite my grandgrandfather was already born in Catalonia (his 
ancestor was in Zaragoza province), and many of their wifes weared two catalan 
surnames.

          I live near Barcelona.

          With best wishes

          Lluís

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Maria Lopez 
            To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
            Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:32 AM
            Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas


              
                  Lluis:

                  Is Mendieta your real surname?.  It sounds a Vasque surname.  
A name from Catalunya and a surname from the Vasque Country...Are they both 
your real identity or you have adopted them for participating in the forum?.  
Just curious.

                  Mayka

                  --- On Wed, 3/11/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> 
wrote:


                    From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
                    Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
                    To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010, 7:25


                      
                          Hello Lluis:

                          Welcome to the zen forum.  is Lluis your real name or 
it's a nickname you have adopted to participate in this forum.  Are you from 
Catalunya?.  

                          Mayka



                          --- On Tue, 2/11/10, Lluís Mendieta 
<lme...@intermail.es> wrote:


                            From: Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es>
                            Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas 
Aquinas
                            To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, 2 November, 2010, 21:24


                              
                            Good evening to all
                            Just a new member, that feels buddhist, albeit in 
Mahayana or Tantrayana, not exactly Zen

                            In Buddhism, as I understand, nothing is "ones 
personal".
                            All is for all sentient beings.
                            Compassion is not a badge.
                            Is what we should feel, as we need as a whole

                            We all should reach nirvana. And no one will be 
free when still any sentient being has not reached nirvana. Or so I have 
understood. And I know that is hard, specially for me that I am not native 
english speaker, to verbalize such concepts
                            Boddhishatva will explain...

                            Anyway, my best wihes to all and my special wishes 
to the moderator who invited me (sorry, still tied to mundane things)
                            And,as I learned in other forum, peace

                            With best wishes

                            Lluís
                              ----- Original Message ----- 
                              From: ED 
                              To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
                              Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:20 PM
                              Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas 
Aquinas


                                

                               
                              Bill wrote:
                              > [Bill!] I understand 'compassion' to mean 'to 
be aware of the feelings of
                              > others'. Merriam-Webster Online defines it as 
"sympathetic consciousness of
                              > others' distress together with a desire to 
alleviate it". That definition
                              > satisfies me.

                              Bill, Bill, Bill,
                              The definition is consonant with ones I have seen 
in Buddhist texts. 
                              However, questions come to mind (as usual):
                              o   Is possessing 'compassion' a badge of merit, 
or is it a normal and natural aspect of human nature?
                              o   Is not  "sympathetic consciousness of others' 
distress together with a desire to alleviate it" none other than a stipulation 
that a person not possess genes for autism?
                              o  And when we do experience compassion, is it 
not usually selectively directed toward persons we feel connected to in some 
way?
                              o  For instance, do we feel compassion for the 
million-plus war-widows caused by the US/UK/Australian invasion of Iraq?
                              --ED

                              --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> 
wrote:
                              >
                              > Ed, Ed, Ed…
                              > 
                              > I posted a quote attributed to St. Thomas 
Aquinas:
                              > 
                              > "I would rather feel compassion than know the 
meaning of it."
                              > 
                              > You then asked:
                              > 
                              > [Ed] Wherein do you perceive any intelligence 
or wisdom in St.
                              > Augustine's preference?

                              > [Bill!] I don't perceive any intelligence in 
St. Aquinas' statement above.
                              > I do however perceive a lot of wisdom. I 
perceive the wisdom in his stated
                              > preference for experience over knowledge.
                              > 
                              > [Ed] What does St. Augustine mean by 
'compassion'?

                              > [Bill!] I don't know and I don't care. The 
meaning of compassion is not
                              > important in the quote, in fact the quote 
itself says that. You can
                              > substitute any word you want for 'compassion' 
in his quote and the wisdom
                              > will still be there.

                              > [Ed] What do you understand 'compassion' to be?
                              > [Bill!] I understand 'compassion' to mean 'to 
be aware of the feelings of
                              > others'. Merriam-Webster Online defines it as 
"sympathetic consciousness of
                              > others' distress together with a desire to 
alleviate it". That definition
                              > satisfies me.
                              > ...Bill!
                         
                 
       


  

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