Thanks, Anthony

With best wishes

Lluís
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Wu 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas


    
        Lluis,

        I think the key difference between Amitabha and zen is that the former 
relies on 'others', while the latter, on yourself. These two are both nice and 
peaceful.

        Anthony

        --- On Thu, 4/11/10, Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es> wrote:


          From: Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es>
          Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
          To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, 4 November, 2010, 11:46 PM


            
           
          Hi, Anthony

          Thanks for answer.
          Well, I am not the best to answer your question, bercause my 
knowledge of Zen is very, very superficial.
          Certainly I think that Mahayana stresses more in compassion, but 
being all following the teachings of the historical buddha, differences would 
be minor.
          The branch that cultivates Amithaba buddha, is considered Zen or is 
Mahayana?

          With best wishes

          Lluís

          ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Anthony Wu 
            To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
            Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:12 AM
            Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas


              
                  Hello Lluis,

                  Nice to have you on the forum. 

                  Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana and zen are all in the same 
family. We are also going through 'globalization', so exchanges of ideas are 
inevitable. Mahayana particularly stresses compassion. That is the key 
Bodhisatva's idea. Do you think zen is lacking in compassion? If somebody says 
that, I would have difficulty in opposing.

                  Anthony

                  --- On Wed, 3/11/10, Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es> 
wrote:


                    From: Lluís Mendieta <lme...@intermail.es>
                    Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
                    To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wednesday, 3 November, 2010, 5:24 AM


                      
                    Good evening to all
                    Just a new member, that feels buddhist, albeit in Mahayana 
or Tantrayana, not exactly Zen

                    In Buddhism, as I understand, nothing is "ones personal".
                    All is for all sentient beings.
                    Compassion is not a badge.
                    Is what we should feel, as we need as a whole

                    We all should reach nirvana. And no one will be free when 
still any sentient being has not reached nirvana. Or so I have understood. And 
I know that is hard, specially for me that I am not native english speaker, to 
verbalize such concepts
                    Boddhishatva will explain...

                    Anyway, my best wihes to all and my special wishes to the 
moderator who invited me (sorry, still tied to mundane things)
                    And,as I learned in other forum, peace

                    With best wishes

                    Lluís
                      ----- Original Message ----- 
                      From: ED 
                      To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
                      Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:20 PM
                      Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas


                        

                       
                      Bill wrote:
                      > [Bill!] I understand 'compassion' to mean 'to be aware 
of the feelings of
                      > others'. Merriam-Webster Online defines it as 
"sympathetic consciousness of
                      > others' distress together with a desire to alleviate 
it". That definition
                      > satisfies me.

                      Bill, Bill, Bill,
                      The definition is consonant with ones I have seen in 
Buddhist texts. 
                      However, questions come to mind (as usual):
                      o   Is possessing 'compassion' a badge of merit, or is it 
a normal and natural aspect of human nature?
                      o   Is not  "sympathetic consciousness of others' 
distress together with a desire to alleviate it" none other than a stipulation 
that a person not possess genes for autism?
                      o  And when we do experience compassion, is it not 
usually selectively directed toward persons we feel connected to in some way?
                      o  For instance, do we feel compassion for the 
million-plus war-widows caused by the US/UK/Australian invasion of Iraq?
                      --ED

                      --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Ed, Ed, Ed…
                      > 
                      > I posted a quote attributed to St. Thomas Aquinas:
                      > 
                      > "I would rather feel compassion than know the meaning 
of it."
                      > 
                      > You then asked:
                      > 
                      > [Ed] Wherein do you perceive any intelligence or wisdom 
in St.
                      > Augustine's preference?

                      > [Bill!] I don't perceive any intelligence in St. 
Aquinas' statement above.
                      > I do however perceive a lot of wisdom. I perceive the 
wisdom in his stated
                      > preference for experience over knowledge.
                      > 
                      > [Ed] What does St. Augustine mean by 'compassion'?

                      > [Bill!] I don't know and I don't care. The meaning of 
compassion is not
                      > important in the quote, in fact the quote itself says 
that. You can
                      > substitute any word you want for 'compassion' in his 
quote and the wisdom
                      > will still be there.

                      > [Ed] What do you understand 'compassion' to be?
                      > [Bill!] I understand 'compassion' to mean 'to be aware 
of the feelings of
                      > others'. Merriam-Webster Online defines it as 
"sympathetic consciousness of
                      > others' distress together with a desire to alleviate 
it". That definition
                      > satisfies me.
                      > ...Bill!
                 

       



  

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