I have yet to see a party who effects tit for tat for massive collateral damage.
On the other hand, you are right in saying some 'illusory' action can result in 
very real pain and suffering. I suggest a test for illusion. Get a needle and 
stab it into your thigh. If you think it is just an illusion, congratulations, 
you are in a Buddha world. Otherwise, welcome to the club.

--- On Sun, 21/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 10:19 PM


Forget illusory notions like Karma and the Abrahamic God. 
In this illusory existence, 'cause and effect' or 'action/reaction' can lead to 
very real and painful conequences.
Whether suicide terrorism or massive collateral damage and occupation 
terrorism, there will always be a reciprocating 'tit for tat' - to the extent 
that a party has the power to effect such.
This is the normal, natural and ubiquitous ordinary nature of humans.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote:
> ED,
> Karma applies with the same force to those who commit atrocities and those 
> who revenge themselves. Suicide bombing can only prolong the working of 
> karma. 
> Anthony

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