Dearest Anthony,
The following words are from my heart. Please read them carefully. I
am getting busier everyday and having less and less time to post.
Chan benefits from the essence of Tao and Buddhism. Chan practices with
Tao principles for immortality and explains spirituality with Buddhism
terms. In the end both health and spirituality are formless and
language less. While I notice that you are still caught in
categorization and analyzing with your head.
What I shared with you is the teaching from a living Buddha and a Chan
Master. We have over half a million people benefited from his teaching
and hundreds have already witnessed most of his journey.
I have witnessed the cells as sentient beings. I have witnessed
critical importance of chi to help us surpass our karmic physic
hindrance. I have witnessed a true journey. Yet I must tell you that
journey is just journey. Journey is indescribable with words. Nirvana,
enlightenment and Buddhahood are still just words to me. They are not
important because they are not absolute and they are not IT.
Nothing is more precious than the practice. (Let us practice without
our mind.)
Nothing is more important than self-witness. (Let us not idolize words.)
And there is really nothing else. (Just detach from everything
including my post and follow your heart.)
JMJM
Head Teacher
Order of Buddha Heart
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org
On 11/26/2010 2:17 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
JMJM,
Energizing cells is different from saving sentient beings. Union with
unversal 'chi' is a taoist idea, not buddhist. If you feel good about
your approach, that is fine. But whether you can surpass your karmic
hindrances is another matter. Moreover, I don't understand how
Buddhahood and/or nirvana can be graded or classified.
Anthony
--- On *Sat, 27/11/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
/<[email protected]>/* wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]>
Subject: [Zen] Nirvana and Buddhahood
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, 27 November, 2010, 4:02 AM
Bill and Anthony,
I was taught to practice as follows for your reference. It may
not be the same as some of the teachings that you "understand".
But my witness so far is quite on par.
1. First we practice to clean up our body, through chi based
cultivation. As we become healthier, all sentient beings
within our body are saved, meaning every cell is energized.
2. As we focus on these chakras and chi channels, we begin to
be detached from all forms. And our awareness is enhanced.
Our Inner Awarenss will monitor and quiet our thoughts.
When we are able to be quite detached from forms, we have
reached nirvana. It is just a liberationg from suffering,
both body and mind. Nothing else. It is a state still can
be further enhanced through the next stage.
3. After we reached nirvana, we could then help everyone around
us to be awakened and liberated, through our wisdom, which
is a direct connection with the universe without egoic
notions. This is a stage of working in the mud to gain the
wisdom and life force. At this stage we gradually learn
also how to heal the body and mind of others and in turn
further enhances our nirvana.
4. The more sentient beings we connect through our hearts, the
higher the Buddhahood we reach.
5. In short, the Awakened One is accomplished through Awaken
Oneself. Awaken Others, then Perfect the Act of Awakening.
This is a common Buddhist statement.
I must add however, all Buddhist sutra said, we must surpass the
Three Karmic Hindrances, our body, mind, and spirit. Without a
chi oriented practice, we could take much much longer to surpass
just the first karmic hindrance of our physical body. Surpassing
our physical body does not mean detachment from the real physical
discomfort of our body, but rather truly heal and rejuvenate our
body to reach perfect health.
If your body has the same kind of illness after one year of
meditation, then your technique needs to be changed.
JMJM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/>
On 11/26/2010 8:02 AM, [email protected]
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
wrote:
Anthony,
I’ll repeat again that it is my understanding that the Mahayana’s
vow is to not enter Nirvana before all other sentient beings are
saved – not to postpone enlightenment until all other beings are
saved.
You are basically equating Nirvana with enlightenment. Is that
what you mean? Do you think these two terms describe the same
experience?
…Bill!
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On Behalf Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:47 PM
To: [email protected]
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Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
Bill,
'First enlightenment, then help others' is Theravada philosophy.
It is to some extent in conflict with mahayana's 'first save all
beings, then enlightenment (nirvana)'. As you agree, the latter
is unfeasible in this world. I can only explain it in terms of
intention.
Anthony
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wrote:
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<[email protected]
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Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 6:22 PM
ED,
I believe Mahayana Buddhism teaches that you should not enter
Nirvana nor break yourself off of the Wheel-of-Life (the
continuous cycle of birth and rebirth) until all sentient beings
are released from suffering. This is not the same as saying your
should help others before helping yourself. Just like the oxygen
mask example, you do have to get yourself in a position to help
others before trying to help.
I can’t give you a source but one quote I remember from somewhere
is: ‘First attain enlightenment. Then instruct all beings.’
…Bill!
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On Behalf Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 4:16 AM
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
ED,
You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?
My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an
essential mahayana teaching that you should help others before
helping yourself.)
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED <[email protected]
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wrote:
From: ED <[email protected]
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=seacrofter001%40yahoo.com>>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
To: [email protected]
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 9:46 PM
Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?
A mother who really cares for her child will put on her own
oxygen mask first.
On the other hand, "The life of an enlightened being is like the
shadow of a bird on water."
--ED
--- In [email protected]
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Anthony Wu <wu...@...>
<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wu...@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> You got it wrong. Bodhisatvas advise you put the oxygen mask on
other people before you have it on yourself. >
> You have not answer whether you don't think preventing turmoil
is necessary.
>
> Anthony
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