I am not sure where you got the impression that I am not taking medication. I 
have been taking medication for OCD for over 15 years. I would not be so 
frustrated if the medication had worked. I also help others all the time - it 
is my job.


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote:
>
> Kristy,
>  
> Glad you are back. I am back too after absence for a short while. 
>  
> Your advice of being awake all the time may work for Dave. Or may not work. 
> He needs to try a hundred things until he finds something good.
>  
> A while ago, if you remember, you advised helping others. It is a good idea, 
> but he did not follow.
>  
> I suggested taking medicine. Again, he did not follow. 
>  
> Years ago, depression was thought to be a psychological disease. But now 
> doctors have found it results at least partly from chemical inbalances in the 
> body. So medicine works. I don't know about Dave's problems. Why not go to a 
> doctor and listen to his advice.
>  
> Anthony
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/1/11, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Kristy McClain <healthypl...@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 6:56 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *bows* to Dave,
>  
> I haven't been following  this thread due to the holidays, but thought I'd 
> share this.  Another perspective..
>  
> >From  Small Boat, Great Mountain by Amaro Bhikkhu
> > 
> >
> >And so for about the first two or three weeks of the winter
> >retreat in 1987, Ajahn Sumedho kept telling people not to meditate:
> >
> >Just be awake.
> >He would say to us over and over again, Stop it, stop meditating!
> >He stressed this repeatedly and gave two or three
> >Dharma talks a day on not meditating. He would tell people to
> >open their eyes and stop trying to concentrate. Sometimes there
> >would be the plaintive cry, But what are we supposed to do?
> >For which the person would receive a response in thunderbolts
> >
> >saying, do!? Don’t do anything. You already are it. Don’t do
> >
> >anything. The methodology was identical to the undistracted
> >nonmeditation employed in Dzogchen practice.
> >He was trying to point out that dimension of doingness, busyness,
> >
> >that becoming quality that so easily takes over the meditation.
> >It can permeate the whole effort of spiritual practice. The
> >becoming tendency takes over and gets legitimized by being called
> >meditation or me becoming enlightened. Meanwhile, we miss
> >the fact that we are losing the main point and that what we are
> >doing has turned into a self-based program. We get caught in the
> >
> >illusion, trying to make the self become something other. As a
> >result, we lose track of the real essence of the practice. Making
> >the effort to see how this happens made this a very fruitful
> >
> >retreat. After about two or three weeks we were beginning to get
> >a sense of what it means to stay present: Don’t do something
> >now to become enlightened in the future. Just be awake now.
> 
> Be well in the New Year..
>  
> Kristy
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Dave P <wookielife...@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Dave P <wookielife...@...>
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Mindfulness pt 2
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 10:39 AM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Here's another dillemma i've had. the idea that everything is under control, 
> and the difference between that and choice. There is the phrase "pain is 
> inevitable, suffering is optional." I think that there is truth in that, but 
> I still feel that choosing to feel one may nmeans that you have to ACT. That 
> your actions have consequences that you cannot control, a notion that 
> paralyzes me. Can mindfulness help with that? If so, how?
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
> <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> >
> > Happy New Year Ed,
> > 
> > Propose another word in place of "mindfulness" is a very challenging 
> > task. Let me explain.
> > 
> > In the practice and dealing with everyday life, we say "Be aware but not 
> > attached to", "focus but not focusing", "observe but not observing", are 
> > some of the terms we use while we translate from our Chinese text to 
> > English. In other words, "sync to the universal wisdom at every moment, 
> > and not be attached to the meaning of the phenomena." is the phrase we 
> > need to represent with a single word.
> > 
> > The most common general terms as a verb in the practice, we use are "be 
> > aware", "sense", "feel", etc. i.e. "sense our breathing", "feel the 
> > chakra". They are usually terms applying also to emotions, feelings as 
> > well as our general overall well being, physical and spiritual. We can 
> > not separate our "true feeling" from our body or mind.
> > 
> > We are very careful not to consistently use the same word. Especially 
> > the practice to "notice" the conditions of our body, mind and spirit, 
> > could require different verb for a similar function. Chan teaching 
> > requires flexibility.
> > 
> > The purpose of Chan wordings are nothing but to wake up the 
> > practitioner, and not to set a path or a rule to follow. After 5,000 
> > words, Diamond Sutra said only one thing, "Whatever you think it is, it 
> > is not. It just is."
> > 
> > Perhaps a lot of times, I am guilty in becoming lazy and just say, 
> > "Shut up, Sit down and Stop thinking."
> > LOL.
> > 
> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > http://www.heartchan.org
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/1/2011 7:37 AM, ED wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > JM,
> > >
> > > What is your proposed definition of 'mindfulness'?
> > >
> > > --ED
> > >
> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 
> > > 覺妙精明 
> > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > Thank you JDB. Indeed we also teach "emptiness of mind".
> > >
> > > Somehow the western Zen is stuck on the label of "mind" and would not 
> > > let go. There is even a seminar about the small mind and big mind. 
> > > Though all journeys lead to the same place.
> > >
> > > "Mind" is too close to "thinking". It can be easily misunderstood and 
> > > misinterpreted.
> > >
> > > We teach "empty your mind", "enhance your heart". And we continue to 
> > > say "because heart is where we could unify our body, mind and spirit."
> > >
> > > Somehow, unify our body to the same physical structure as the universe 
> > > is not emphasized in western Zen. Most of the reading that I have 
> > > encountered with focuses mainly on the mind and its awareness, not on 
> > > the body and little on the spirit. Though we constantly talked about 
> > > body, mind and spirit, but in essence, they are one and inseparable. 
> > > Just like the universe.
> > >
> > > In our school, awareness does not reside in the mind. Awareness is a 
> > > function of our spirit, which reside in our heart. "Heart" is not 
> > > the organic heart, but our "total well being", our "center" or 
> > > "ONE". Awareness enhancement helps us to be awakened to the Absolute 
> > > Awareness of the universe.
> > >
> > > This brings this post to another question. What does Zen say about our 
> > > spirit? Our spiritual levels, our spiritual being, spiritual karma, 
> > > the sixth, seventh and eighth consciousness?
> > >
> > > After several years with this forum, I have read little about these. 
> > > In other words, to be enlightened, we need to surpass karmic hindrance 
> > > of body, mind and spirit. We need to work on all three.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, we are just imagining and hoping.
> > >
> > > On this New Year Day, I hope this post is not too objectionable to ALL.
> > >
> > > Happy New Year and thank you for your patience and understanding for 
> > > all the years.
> > > JMJM
> > > Head Teacher
> > > Order Of Chan
> > >
> > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.heartchan.org
> > >
> > > On 12/31/2010 10:12 PM, Rev. Joriki Dat Baker wrote:
> > >> Â
> > >> Or the emptiness of mind.
> > >> I wonder if something similar could be said about mindfulness. 
> > >> "Mindful" in the Western sense seems to be directing your attention 
> > >> in one direction, However, maybe a better translation is "mind 
> > >> fullness," as in you experience everything with the fullness of your 
> > >> mind. Or am I way off here?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>




------------------------------------

Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are 
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/

<*> Your email settings:
    Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join
    (Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
    zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com 
    zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Reply via email to