Edgar, I'll only say that what I wrote below isn't what I understand is 'your teaching', although I do believe it does conform with "all the Zen masters".
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Thank God Bill is making progress and finally embracing my teaching (which is > the same as the teaching of all the Zen masters)! > > Though I'm sure he'll disagree with that.... > > Edgar > > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Merle, > > > > As usual I'm not exactly sure what Edgar means when he says 'Zen', but I > > could add that zazen (zen meditation) is not the only facet of zen practice > > (if that's what Edgar means by 'Zen'). Any activity can be zen practice - > > like washing the dishes or taking out the garbage - or in your case > > painting. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > Correct. Zen is 24/7. Not 2-3 hours a week.... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking that what edgar means..correct me if incorrect please > > > > edgar.. > > > > > > > > you get these dudes going to retreats, etc..going to christian churches > > > > etc and they think hey presto that's it..done my bit.. > > > > > > > > i'm now squeaky clean so to speak..full of self righteousness..and how > > > > many times have we witnessed this?... > > > > > > > > one needs to practise 24/7 in the real world... > > > > > > > > in the so called supermarket... > > > > > > > > the compassion and universal oneness and interconnection that one > > > > experienced in the sitting surely...?... > > > > > > > > you can sit till you drop..you can go to sermon after sermon however if > > > > nothing "sinks in" then it becomes a farce... > > > > meaningless "bullshit" just for appearances and to satisfy some ego > > > > hungry soul... merle.. > > > > > > > > whoops sorry group..no soul..just a very hungry ego > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > "24/7" ? > > > > > > > > Some -- many -- attend retreat, and sit that way. But maybe they don't > > > > open this time. They -- we! -- keep practicing, and keep coming back to > > > > retreat. This is called practice. It's all practice. If we keep it > > > > simple, and are dedicated, it is practice. There is no "opening" the > > > > mind. There is just attending to your method of practice. Will the mind > > > > open? Maybe. But that's not something to attend to. Only the Method. If > > > > the mind "opens", you'll *experience* THEN what that means. We must not > > > > assume we know what that means. We DON'T know. Even when it opens. > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > edgar...it's still quality of sitting..as he says he has the "empty > > > > > cup"..you might sit 24/7 and it would be useless if you did not open > > > > > your mind surely?...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
