Bill, I told you you were disagreeing with my agreeing with you.
Now you confirm it! Edgar On May 2, 2013, at 6:58 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > I'll only say that what I wrote below isn't what I understand is 'your > teaching', although I do believe it does conform with "all the Zen masters". > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Thank God Bill is making progress and finally embracing my teaching (which > > is the same as the teaching of all the Zen masters)! > > > > Though I'm sure he'll disagree with that.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > On May 2, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > As usual I'm not exactly sure what Edgar means when he says 'Zen', but I > > > could add that zazen (zen meditation) is not the only facet of zen > > > practice (if that's what Edgar means by 'Zen'). Any activity can be zen > > > practice - like washing the dishes or taking out the garbage - or in your > > > case painting. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Correct. Zen is 24/7. Not 2-3 hours a week.... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking that what edgar means..correct me if incorrect please > > > > > edgar.. > > > > > > > > > > you get these dudes going to retreats, etc..going to christian > > > > > churches etc and they think hey presto that's it..done my bit.. > > > > > > > > > > i'm now squeaky clean so to speak..full of self righteousness..and > > > > > how many times have we witnessed this?... > > > > > > > > > > one needs to practise 24/7 in the real world... > > > > > > > > > > in the so called supermarket... > > > > > > > > > > the compassion and universal oneness and interconnection that one > > > > > experienced in the sitting surely...?... > > > > > > > > > > you can sit till you drop..you can go to sermon after sermon however > > > > > if nothing "sinks in" then it becomes a farce... > > > > > meaningless "bullshit" just for appearances and to satisfy some ego > > > > > hungry soul... merle.. > > > > > > > > > > whoops sorry group..no soul..just a very hungry ego > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > "24/7" ? > > > > > > > > > > Some -- many -- attend retreat, and sit that way. But maybe they > > > > > don't open this time. They -- we! -- keep practicing, and keep coming > > > > > back to retreat. This is called practice. It's all practice. If we > > > > > keep it simple, and are dedicated, it is practice. There is no > > > > > "opening" the mind. There is just attending to your method of > > > > > practice. Will the mind open? Maybe. But that's not something to > > > > > attend to. Only the Method. If the mind "opens", you'll *experience* > > > > > THEN what that means. We must not assume we know what that means. We > > > > > DON'T know. Even when it opens. > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > edgar...it's still quality of sitting..as he says he has the "empty > > > > > > cup"..you might sit 24/7 and it would be useless if you did not > > > > > > open your mind surely?...merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
