bill!..i love dogs...batman is so cute... thank you for your story..merle
  
Merle,

I have have been practicing for about 47 years, sometimes intensely and 
sometimes not.  I have not yet been able to eliminate all ignorance and all 
craving but I have been able to reduce them both in number and in intensity 
quite a bit.

MY PERSONAL STORY
About two years ago I discovered very young puppies tied up in a burlap bag and 
tossed out onto the highway near my mountain home.  The bag had been run over 
by a car and was soaked in blood.  When I opened the bag I found 2 dead 
puppies, 1 with a broken back and a completely flattened pelvis area with 
intestines oozing out and one was not hurt.  I killed the one with the broken 
back with my neighbors shotgun by shooting it in the head and buried it and the 
2 dead puppies in the jungle.

I kept the surviving puppy and named it Batman because of it's long ears and 
pug nose.


...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Merle Lester  wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  bill!..thank you...
> 
> have you been able to eliminate all ignorance and all craving?
> 
>  can you share a personal story  with the group?
> 
> merle
> 
> 
>   
> Merle,
> 
> Sorry, but that's the God-awful truth.  Buddhism is all about the relief of 
> suffering.
> 
> Here is what Wikipedia has to say about Buddhism:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism 
> 
> 
> Buddhism is a religion indigenous to the Indian subcontinent that 
> encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices largely based on 
> teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, who is commonly known as the 
> Buddha, meaning "the awakened one". The Buddha lived and taught in the 
> eastern part of the Indian subcontinent sometime between the 6th and 4th 
> centuries BCE.[1] He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or 
> enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end 
> their suffering (dukkha) through the elimination of ignorance (avidyÄ) by 
> way of understanding and the seeing of dependent origination 
> (pratÄ«tyasamutpÄda) and the elimination of craving (taṇhÄ), and 
> thus the attainment of the cessation of all suffering, known as the sublime 
> state of nirvÄņa.[2]
> 
> I've highlighted the parts to which I want to draw your attention that 
> pertain to the question at hand.
> 
> And before someone jumps all over me on this I want to point out that this is 
> BUDDHISM, not zen.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], Merle Lester  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >   rubbish..you can dissolve into the now..
> > 
> > life is suffering..nothing to do with attachments..
> > 
> > like to see you bill when you have a physical aliment..
> > 
> > sure you can whisk it away for a moment or two..try mental suffering...that 
> > cannot be dissolved 
> > 
> > the promise of buddhism is release from suffering..
> > 
> > right..maybe
> > 
> > yes it is a way of viewing suffering however you cannot escape it..
> > 
> > rather you accept it
> > 
> > so how come buddhist monks are the first to set fire to themselves when 
> > they see injustices done?
> > 
> >  that would be mega suffering and don't tell me they don't suffer as the 
> > flames engulf them
> > 
> > have you ever truly suffered bill?.. or seen loved ones suffering?
> > 
> >  as you eat your stir fried chicken do you not realise the suffering 
> > that was impose on this creature that you might live and live to suffer?
> > 
> > acceptance is the key word in my books
> > 
> >  acceptance,  compassion and universal love
> > 
> >  if that is not buddhism then well i'll be blown over by a stick
> > 
> >  merle
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Merle,
> > 
> > Suffering can be entirely eliminated and William is right that this is the 
> > promise of Buddhism.
> > 
> > This is Buddhism 101:
> > 
> > - Life is suffering
> > - Suffering is caused by attachments
> > - Attachments are caused by/enabled by identification with your self
> > - The self is illusory
> > 
> > So, like a big house of cards when you dissolve the illusion of self you 
> > take away the anchor for attachments causing them to fall away which 
> > eliminates suffering.
> > 
> > And how do you come to recognize the self as illusory?  My suggestion is 
> > you do zazen (zen meditation) staring with counting your breaths.  When you 
> > stop your intellect from producing illusions (and most especially the 
> > illusion of self) you experience Buddha Nature.
> > 
> > And then Voila!  Just This!
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > my understanding is suffering cannot be eliminated..how the hell can that 
> > > come about..the very nature of life is suffering... 
> > > point to me who does not what does not..be it animal mineral or 
> > > vegetable..
> > > the notion of happy happy is absurd..
> > > we can come to terms with suffering
> > >  we can embrace and realise that compassion and eternal universal 
> > > love can lift us from suffering and soar us high above the treetops to 
> > > the heavens above just as the eagle flies we too can fly..
> > > 
> > > merle
> > > 
> > >  some strawberries are sour i have noted in my many years of 
> > > eating strawberries...this i refer to as the "chop suey" of life...sweet 
> > > and sour...
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > And yet you are the one who started this conversation.  It has 
> > > been my understanding that the primary message of Buddhism was 
> > > addressing suffering.  What it is and how to stop it. The Buddha 
> > > was not searching or teaching ways to survive crises but to end 
> > > suffering.  I can agree that survivability might be enhanced by 
> > > being fully in the moment but I see no certainty of it. In my readings of 
> > > Zen the moment of Death is often addressed with an awareness and often a 
> > > smile. The strawberry is so sweet. suey
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: Joe desert_woodworker@
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 4:27:50 PM
> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Someone Else's Opinion on What is Real and What is 
> > > Not...
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Hi, William,
> > > 
> > > The crisis is and was the one you raised earlier, about killing some 
> > > beast or other. Thought and pondering at that scene would be inexcusable, 
> > > while acting in accord with need, informed by your intimacy and full 
> > > presence and awareness of conditions, would give you an opening to hunt 
> > > another day.
> > > 
> > > Coming back to practice, practice enables habits to drop, so we can be 
> > > present fully. You can still use what you've learned, but you won't be 
> > > bound by it. That is all.
> > > 
> > > And that is the point. I won't engage in useless historicizing, not in a 
> > > Zen discussion forum, anyway. If we're not already clear about how 
> > > practice works, then the next step is clear: practice. There may be 
> > > pointers on it here at the Forum. A real teacher face to face is the best 
> > > teacher though, many here would agree.
> > > 
> > > --Joe
> > > 
> > > > Email  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You've modified your original position from a statement of our genetic
> > >  inheritance to surviving a crisis. That quite a bit different. However 
> > > from your current position are you saying that the people who died from 
> > > the bombings in Boston were "burdened and unable to act spontaneously" 
> > > while those who survived were "acting spontaneously and were unburdened"? 
> > > Or is there some other type if crisis? 
> > > > If two people, one who was unburdened and acting spontaneously and had 
> > > > never encountered a tiger in the wild and the other who hunted tigers 
> > > > daily, were to suddenly be faced with one, who would survive this 
> > > > crisis?
> > >
> >
>

 

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