--- Bryon Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >From: Jeroen van Baardwijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >At Stardate 20030629.0253, Steve Sloan wrote:
> >
> >> > I think it's rather odd that you have such mistrust of your
> >> > government. After all, the people in your government are
> >> > there because you *elected* them into those positions. Why
> >> > do you vote for people you don't trust?
> >>
> >>Because otherwise, we wouldn't have *any* government. You can't trust 
> >>*anybody* to always be a valuable public servant.
> >
> >If you don't trust a candidate, why don't you get together with other 
> >people who also don't trust that candidate, and bring forth an other 
> >candidate from your own ranks, someone you do trust? According to 
> >www.census.gov, at this very moment the US has a population of 291,368,325
> 
> >people; surely you aren't saying that your country is made up of over 291 
> >million untrustworthy people?
> 
> It's not that there is a specific leader that we don't trust - it's a 
> general
> suspicion of authority of *any* kind.  The general feeling is that with any
> power comes the *potential* for abuse of that power, so much of our system
> is designed in an attempt to prevent that abuse or at least make it harder
> and/or reduce the potential to do so.  Hence, the Bill of Rights, the 3 
> branches
> of government, the jury system, the distinction betwen the states' and the
> federal government's rights, etc.

JvB you don't seem to get the difference between what Dr. Brin speaks on
below, and "parinoia". You also don't seem to get how one can "distrust"
athority, but have trust in individuals who happen to be in athority. You
also don't seem to get the difference between trusting systems, and not
trusting individuals in those systems. Could you please elaborate on these so
that I may understand your perception? I know you to be quite an intelegent
person and I wish to know your thoughts on this topic. -that is why we were
having this discussion after all-. That, and I would like to make sure that
you understand mine. Right now, it does not seem that you do becouse your
arguments do not appear to be logicaly consistent, as I am sure mine do not
either.


> And bringing us somewhat back on-list-topic:
> Have you read Dr. Brin's excellent speech he gave last year at the 
> Libertarian
> Party National Convention: 
> http://kithrup.com/brin/libertarianarticle1.html 

Hmmm, yes, back on topic. 



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