Mr. Searles says, in part... > Teachers? You're blaming teachers for kids being slobs?
Mr. Searles, I'm in Mpls., you're in Waconia. Your chivalry on behalf of teachers is noted, but please consider that I'm speaking of situations where generation after generation of kids have kids; they drop out of school, they have no job skills and they remain unemployed or are stuck with low-paying jobs for life. They don't teach their children well. The cycle just seems to continue unrelenting. Too often, too many parents don't serve as good role models for their kids, and in many cases they serve as outright bad role models. Granted, 'poor upbringing' tends to perpetuate the cycle, but the educational establishment should not be held harmless for their role, or lack thereof, in nurturing child development as part of the educational process. And believe me, life's circumstances are very different neighborhood to neighborhood, city to city, urban to rural. Too often, teachers bear the brunt of criticism for results they don't fully influence nor control-- agreed. However, that should not absolve the educational system -and teachers- of all responsibility for improving the lives of kids in the system. Schools share a responsibility with parents to impart positive, motivated and respectful attitudes in students. Just because some parents are falling short doesn't absolve the educational system of their ongoing responsibility. Yes, it's easier to blame the educational system than teachers -it dissipates the accountability- but where does responsibility lie for this portion of the equation-- for the six hours a day, five days a week for eight months a year, that the kids are in school? That's why I stated, in part, that... > It's a reflection on parents, teachers and society-- where 'being a > slob' is too readily tolerated. Poor upbringing by parents, overly complacent teachers AND an overly complacent educational system, along with a society that expects too little from it's members, tends to perpetuate this disrespectful slob mentality. Mr. Searles states, > Put the responsibility where it belongs and you might be able to solve some > problems. That's just what I tried to do, Mr. Searles. I'd say we're all responsible to varying degree, however I too place most responsibility on individual parents and their out-of-control, slob kids! And society is too complacent to speak up about it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And Wizard Marks adds, > I think you've misinterpreted the whole phenomenon. For the very > poor, totally dissed population, refusing to comply is their only > power--the power to say no to social constraints. It's not poor > upbringing so much as bitterness, bone deep fatigue, and an exercise of > the only power available to them. [MH] What can I say? There's no excuse, they're slobs! Without an altered attitude they are doomed. Michael Hohmann Linden Hills > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Thomas Searles > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mpls] Tossing bottles/broken glass > > > Teachers? You're blaming teachers for kids being slobs? Is that > part of the > curriculum in the Minneapolis School District? You should have stopped at > 'poor upbringing'. Blame the parents unless the children are very > young. Put > the responsibility where it belongs and you might be able to solve some > problems. > > Tom Searles > Waconia, Twp. > Husband of a teacher who keeps her classroom under control. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Hohmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jeff Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [Mpls] Tossing bottles/broken glass > > > > Tossing bottles, cans, wrappings and other trash on the street and > sidewalk > > is, I believe, a sign of poor upbringing and poor education. It's a > > reflection on parents, teachers and society-- where 'being a > slob' is too > > readily tolerated. It's the 'me' generation, with their 'get outta my > face' > > attitude making a statement. By their actions, they are disrespecting > > themselves and the public environment. What their actions are really > saying > > is, 'look at me, I'm a fool and I don't care.' Well, they got that one > > right! > > > > Michael Hohmann > > Linden Hills > > > > REMINDERS: > 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: > http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn > E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 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