Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Rejected posting to CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM]
-Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- But slavery was an evil institution. That is merely your opinion, and it does not comport with the Bible. You are welcome to it, and you are certainly not alone in that opinion. But I base my criteria on "stronger stuff" than personal opinion. By the way, at one time I would have agreed with you. I was "compelled" to study slavery in order to support my position that it was evil, but my study resulted in forcing me to reject my initial beliefs concerning it. As you may have gathered, I am VERY libertarian in my political philosophy. As a libertarian, I would have to reject slavery, either an an owner or a slave. But as a Christian, I cannot condemn it. In his long post there is much which I am in total agreement with. However, the above is not my view. I believe that Hawk would be correct if he were only to use the old testiment as reference. However, I believe that Jesus set a higher standard when he said that we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us. I don't believe the ownership of slaves is compatable with that admonishment. You are, of course, welcome to draw any conclusions you wish from a text that says nothing whatsoever about the institution of slavery. There are a number of New Testament passages that speak DIRECTLY to the issue, and not a single one of them even remotely criticizes the institution of slavery... In fact, the opposite is true. Slaves are told to "be good slaves, industrious, honest" etc. Masters are told to supervise/manage their slaves without resorting to intimidation and brutality. Oenesimus, a run-away slave, was told to return to to his master, and Paul told the master, Philemon, that he would personally recompense him for whatever Oenesimus might have stolen or cost him in lost productivity. If slavery were immoral, and the biblical writers spoke of the institution many times, they were strangely remiss for not criticizing Christian slave-holders. (Though I can understand the problem of those who (like Jefferson) inherited slaves and did not understand what to do about the situation). I don't, however, believe that Jesus would have called upon his disciples to take up the sword against their owners. You may speculate all you wish about what Jesus might have said. But an honest study of the issue of slavery will not lead to the conclusion that it is immoral. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Tripping on Fostergate
Tripp: Maybe I Saw Missing Records WASHINGTON (AP) -- Linda Tripp was the last person to see Vincent Foster alive. She taped her young friend Monica Lewinsky, which led to the investigation of a presidential affair. Now, for the first time, Mrs. Tripp says she may have seen billing records from Hillary Rodham Clinton's law firm in a safe in Vince Foster's office. The White House had said the records were lost for a few years, but they mysteriously turned up later in the White House residence. ``I saw what I now believe to be in the infamous billing records in that safe,'' Tripp said in a deposition this week for the conservative legal group Judicial Watch. The group made her testimony public on Thursday. Mrs. Tripp, a Maryland resident and Pentagon employee, also said she may have seen Mrs. Clinton's initials on the records. Mrs. Tripp was secretary to Foster, the deputy White House counsel who committed suicide in 1993. She told Judicial Watch that sometime in May 1993 she might have seen the billing records, but didn't realize what they were until January 1996, when it was revealed in congressional hearings that the records had mysteriously appeared on a table in the White House residence. Whitewater prosecutors had subpoenaed the records two years before. The White House said they could not be located. ``I wouldn't know a billing record if it hit me on the head,'' Tripp told Judicial Watch, which has sued the Clinton administration on behalf of people whose FBI files were gathered by the White House. The administration has said the files were gathered by mistake. But Mrs. Tripp said that after she saw a photo of the records on the news in 1996, she realized that what she saw in 1993 may have been the billing records. ``I don't recall having any clue what they were at the time, except that there was something during the time that I saw it that made me believe it belonged to Mrs. Clinton,'' Mrs. Tripp testified. ``I don't know if it was her initials or some notation, I don't know,'' she said. The records detail Mrs. Clinton's legal work in the mid-1980s for an Arkansas savings and loan owned by the first family's Whitewater business partner. Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr has been investigating the Clinton's Whitewater business deals since 1993.
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Rejected posting to CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM]
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Glad to hear it. Who did you have to step on to do so well for yourself? Or sleep with? ;-) That one's cute, too.. I married a poor girl... She's rich now, though. Avoids answering the question of who you stepped on or slept with to become so successful in business to become rich white trash... My, my... You are so bereft of manners... I will answer your stupid question directly... I "stepped on" no one, and I have not "slept with" anyone other than my wife... It is amazing to me that people such as you cannot comprehend success without chicanery... I suppose that it reflects your normal behavior. One good thing about being poor...you don't lose sleep at night worrying someone will take your 'stuff'... ;-) OH? Poor people like to have their "stuff" stolen??? No, we don't have 'stuff' to BE stolen! ;-) Bullshit. (or at least, not anything anyone else would waste their time on)... You also notice Squawk is so very willing to steal someone ELSE'S resources, while worrying about preserving his own toys... That is simply a lie... I have never stolen anyone ELSE'S resources... But you argue that it is your RIGHT to take as much oil from the ground to feed your gas-guzzler... No... As a matter of fact, I haven't taken ANY oil from the ground.. Some people who owned oil in the ground extracted it and sold it to some people who made gasoline with it, and they sold it to me... Simple things are very confusing to you, aren't they? Your hypocrisy is amazing. as though you don't enjoy the benefits of plentiful and relatively inexpensive petroleum products... Just WHERE do you think that oil resides? Unless you're Jethro with your own 'bubbling crude', that oil you want to extract to your heart's content belongs to other people... I think it "resides" in the ground... As a matter of fact some of it belongs to me. And I'd like to sell more of it... In the meanwhile, I haven't taken any oil from anyone who didn't have desire to sell it... It is only people such as you who think they have the right to take by force what other people own. You argue that all the minerals in the Earth should be exploited for your own use -- do you live on top of a mine? Nope... wish I did, though. If not, then you are arguing for taking the resources which belong to others, and wasting them for your own frivolous needs... That's bullshit, too. I don't "take resources" from anyone... That's what facsists and socialists (such as you) do. I purchase what I use from willing sellers What I do with them after that is none of your business... Furthermore, you haven't a clue as to whether I use them for necessities or frivolous purposes. For someone so focused on what a people PRODUCE, I wonder just what SQUAWK produces...other than a lot of hot air... I make a better-than-average living providing information... Then you admit that you in fact do NOT 'produce' a thing... Mostly I help my clients keep a larger portion of what they produce. Their greatest threat to success is folks like you who feel that they have a right to what my clients own. I am a consultant. A paid producer of hot air... Whatever The people who pay me do so willingly, so I suppose they think the "hot air" is worth something. Lots of people pay quite handsomly to hear what I think... You are a fortunate recipient of my wisdom at no charge... See how generous I am? As are you...I also am a consultant, billed out at $125+ an hour... but unlike you, I also produce something tangible in addition to my hot air, as my 'information' is followed up with a service... Good for you... I charge a bit more than you do... I wonder if your psychic abilities (or lack thereof) came through training or were they inherited? What makes you think I don't provide on-going services? June... You make yourself look foolish with these kinds of accusations and bitter denunciations... It boils down to this: You think that the only way people obtain wealth is by chicanery or extortion... I presume that is your normal way of doing business, or you would not think that way. I risk making the same mistake that you have made by surmising that your pay comes primarily from some government source rather than honest market-place give and take. You, and those who think (I use the word loosely) like you do seem to feel that its OK for you and your pals to take whatever I own (my "stuff") and use it for your own purposes. I wonder then, if you think it would be "just peachy" if me and some of my pals showed up at your place, and by threat of violence took whatever we wanted that you have. If you are truely "democratic" all that would be necessary is that we "outnumber" you. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting
[CTRL] Fwd: White Power, WWII
Hero Had White-Rule Plan for Africa LONDON (AP) -- Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, who led British troops to victory in North Africa in World War II, once argued for a white-dominated Africa as a defense against communism, a British newspaper reported Thursday. Confidential papers, which were released by the Public Record Office after the passage of 50 years, outlined Montgomery's 1948 proposal. The Guardian newspaper said the suggestion so alarmed then Prime Minister Clement Attlee that Montgomery's speeches were watched to be sure he did not voice the opinions in public. Montgomery's ``grand design'' -- in a private memorandum to Attlee -- was based on a two-month tour of 11 African countries in late 1947, the newspaper said. It quoted him as saying Africans were not capable of developing their countries themselves and that ``there is an increasing social and political consciousness developing in the African peoples; this is a very great potential danger and must be watched. ... Already Communist agents are active in all parts of Africa.'' The government replied to Montgomery, telling him that Britain's official post-war policy sought to build self-government in Africa and that a system ``maintaining white supremacy,'' like that of South Africa, was not acceptable. Montgomery became a hero when he led the British 8th Army to victory over German-led troops at El Alamein in 1942. He led Allied ground forces in the Normandy invasion in 1944, and commanded occupation forces at the end of the war. He died in 1976. The Guardian quoted World War II veteran Lord Chalfont as saying, ``He was always thought of as (racially) tolerant. I would never have suspected him of racism.'' ``A lot of people will find it extremely surprising,'' Chalfont said. ``I find it very disappointing and depressing.'' Montgomery's biographer, Nigel Hamilton, said the field marshal's strategic skills would be the nation's abiding memory of the man, but Hamilton said he was not surprised to hear about the contents of the memorandum, the newspaper said.
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- Just what is your point, sir? That you've got lots of stuff--more than all the rest of us put together--and you resent the government for taxing you? I am trying to understand your contempt for everyone on this list---and why you are here. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Echoes from the Past
-Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 98 , Alamaine wrote: This was a time when Bill Clinton, moving through his 20s at Georgetown, Oxford and Yale, rejected military service and experimented with marijuana. But in general, according to a biographer, the Washington Post reporter David Maraniss, Mr. Clinton followed ''a moderate course during an increasingly immoderate period.'' The stamp of that period remained on Mr. Clinton, in at least two areas: the evasiveness that characterized his dealings with the ''threat'' of military service and the permissiveness he allowed in his sexual life. In judging Mr. Clinton's morals to be typical of his generation - only 7 percent thought them better; 27 percent, worse - most of those surveyed made it clear they disapproved. I think it is really, really interesting that the morality of the nation is being discussed in terms of Bill Clinton's personal, sexual behavior. Why isn't the morality of the nation being considered in terms of all it's most successful citizens...dissecting their sex lives, their divorces, their ethical behavior in both private and corporate practice (in terms of contributing to the general welfare of the nation's citizens), their drug use, their military service, their crimes, the "moral" and "mental health of their families and children Given all the facts we might come up with some interesting polls and statistics...and an explanation for the cynicism of many of our young people, which is largely based on their observation that greed, ruthlessness, the "right connections," and an ability to be totally unscrupulous are positive "values" for those who would achieve the outer limits of The American Dream. Crime has always been an element of success in America. But the system can be merciless to those who get "caught." By the time they're teenagers, kids know that. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- My vote is for surrealism.which is the system we seem to be living under. And may explain my general state of contentment, in spite of what many might consider flaws and lacks in my current lifestyle. My giraffe is having a ball. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Jan 99 , YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, when Ronnie the Communicator closed the institutions that held a good share of the people now homeless, If you are referring to actual shelters for the homeless, I will agree with your statement... But we can't forget it was 'Liberals' who decided that previously institutionalized people suffering from mental illness should be 'mainstreamed' into society, with the result that these people were released from the institutions with nowhere to go, and no support network Which was preceded by exposes such as the film "Willowbrook " which revealed horrendous and shocking abuses at said institutions. What happened in between the closing of those institutions and the opening of shelters and the creation of networks? Ah yes-- a Bush administration. And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Radio campaign
-Caveat Lector- [IMPEACH]: NEW ANTI-CLINTON RADIO CAMPAIGN: SINGER-SONGWRITER BEHIND "DEAR MR. PRESIDENT by Gabrielle Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (www.worldnetdaily.com)1/6/99 You may soon hear the following ad on your local radio station: "Dear Mr. President," says the voice of a little boy. " My mom's mad at me. I was playing ball in the house when a vase got busted. My mom asked me if I broke the vase and I said 'No' because I didn't. I wasn't anywhere near it when it broke. Sure, I threw the ball that knocked over the vase, but it was the floor that actually broke it. So technically, I was telling the truth. So, Mom grounded me, not for breaking the vase, but for lying about it. Now I can't play Little League anymore and I'm the team's best pitcher. Could you please call my mom, Mr. President, 'cause you can explain lying better than anybody. Thanks, Joey. P.S. When I grow up I want to be president just like you." The national ad campaign is the brainstorm of singer-songwriter Steve Vaus -- and that spot is one of a series of four or five that will begin airing as soon as this weekend in the Washington, D.C. market. "I've taken on some wild and woolly efforts and sometimes they take off and this one has done just that," Vaus said. "We seem to have hit a hot button here." It's called the "Dear Mr. President" campaign. The plan is to air radio advertisements in children's voices that address the moral shortcomings of President Clinton. Vaus has asked for monetary donations for as little as a dollar to help finance the cost of running the ads -- and through. Says Vaus, "I need to reach the people with this concept of putting (Clinton's) behavior in everyday family terms. This isn't the Republican Party out there on an ad campaign or the Christian Coalition. This is one guy with a lot of friends saying, 'Listen folks, we need to pay attention to all of this or we're going downhill, fast.'" Vaus said he has a simple desire. "We need to reach the people who continue to think that Bill Clinton is doing a great job and still think he ought to be left in office. Once we do that by effectively communicating, we are going to see a shift in public opinion." One reason why Vaus decided to get involved with the issues surrounding the president is because he was disappointed with the polls and the apathy of the public. "Like so many people, I've been so frustrated that there's this disconnect with the American people," he said. "There have been so many people who have been so eloquent and articulate for so long about these issues yet there's this public disconnect. They just don't seem to care." The first radio ads will be recorded today. "We are going to start on non-conservative radio. Then we are going to air the ads in New York, then assess the money from there," said Vaus. "The money is going to be spent on reaching out to different stations beyond the conservative stations. Whether it be pop music (stations), whether it be urban or whether it be country. Whatever the top-rated station is in the market wherever we can buy time (is where the ads will air). We need to reduce these issues to simple terms and taken them outside the realm of politics. We need to show that this kind of behavior effects us down the road. What happens in the beltway doesn't happen in a vacuum. "This is truly, in every sense of the word, a grass-roots campaign. These ads are designed to reach out like somebody trying to sell widgets, except we are selling a better America." Vaus is gaining recognition from his efforts on a daily basis. Several conservative radio shows have offered to air the commercials free of charge and have asked Vaus to speak on the air as well. "I happened to be blessed with some great inspiration for the campaign. I'm not talented enough to be brilliant."Vaus said he got the idea of running such ads with family-value ideas, "from the book of Dick Morris, for lack of a better term. At every turn in the road the Democrats out-spun the Republicans, they out-maneuver them. Often times they fall back on the family, they always use children. The reason they do that is that people connect with family." "We have an opportunity to reach out like we've never reached out before and connect with people we've never connected with before and communicate the most urgent message in contemporary life," Vaus said. "All of this in Washington does matter, and here is how it is going to matter in your everyday life." Using the family theme, Vaus says, will only help in spreading the message. "If we don't put it in 'dinner table terms,' for the people, I don't think they are going to get it," said Vaus. "I want people to listen to these radio spots and think, 'I never thought of it that way before.' That is what I am trying to accomplish." Anyone can read about the campaign as well as make donations to the fund through Vaus's web site.
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers and as politicians to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States. They were bound by that oath not to work against the best interests of the nation. *** Yes, and they understood that the Constitution allowed states to seceed from the union. They had also taken an oath to their state govenments which governments preceeded the forming of the union. Lee, for instance, would have been working against the best interests of his country (Virginia) if he had taken command of the federal forces as had been offered. *** By taking up arms against their country, they were committing an act of treason.. Sorry if that offends some of you but that is a fact. Why should it offend me? I had no ancestor in the war except perhaps in the federal army. I have lived in the south for many years, but people still say I don't have an accent. I don't even like football. I just have studied the history and have tried to understand the situation at the time on the basis of law. I don't believe that you have. You are just argueing from an emotional basis and not on any basis of law. My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement with this position. It was Lincoln and others in the northern states who ignored their oathes to the Constitution. That is my opinion from studying the facts. If you have a rational arguement to disprove my opinion, I am open to being corrected, but what you have provided so far has not dealt with the issue in anything but a purely emotional manner. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rejected posting to CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This may have come as a shock to you, but there were many people around who knew what the imperialist government was doing. And why. It seems that you haven't yet learned why the government does what it does and why it must do it all secretly. I'll give you a hint, it's not because they are democratically controlled by us. Thank God for that. How many innocent people did you kill even knowing the false pretenses you were fighting under? That would be hard to say... Why should you not be considered a war criminal? This is not a rhetorical question. You are free to consider me whatever suits your fancy... Why am I not surprised that you justify slavery on the basis of this superstitious nonsense? Your slaver ancestors used it for the same purpose. I am not surprised that you feel that way... While my "slaver ancestors" did indeed believe they were justified, they are all dead. Now they have been "replaced" by people who STILL advocate slavery... namely folks such as you... You seem to think it is perfectly fine for me to be forced to work for the benefit of others. I doubt you are smart enough to see the connection however. Gee that's too bad. War is heck. I'll bet the slaves just hated to leave your wonderful family. As a matter of fact, most of them didn't leave... They chose to stay with my wonderful family... But slavery was an evil institution. I don't know dude...you sound like one confused puppy to me. Rational thought is something you are not familiar with... There's no end to the evils perpetrated by people like you in the name of religion. It's in the NT that Paul tells slaves to obey their masters. The OT is much more libertarian. Biblical Israel was not a slave based economy as was Greece and Rome and their cultural offshoots Christian Europe and Christian America. snip You obviously haven't had much exposure to biblical teaching... Since you don't know what you're talking about, there isn't much point in discussing it with you. Slavery was not eliminated by the war... it merely changed its appearance. Do you mean to wage slavery? No, I mean being forced to give govm't fools over half of what I earn. Whether you wish to or not is irrelevant. You can't because we ( the society in which you live ) won't let you own slaves. You'll just have to live with it and whine about it. Poor guy. I don't recall whining about it... As a matter of fact, if you could read and understand simple English, you would have noted that I said that I do not wish to own a slave. Well Hawk, you've convinced me. When I grow up I want to be just like you. It would be a considerable improvement... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code
-Caveat Lector- Charles, i understand the list is full of pointless BS at the minute, but regarding the 'turds' you mention. I was actually in the middle of a discussion with soemone about The Bible Codes so please stop jumping to conclusions. Thank you. EASTERISLE wrote: -Caveat Lector- The shit is clearly connected and thus amounts to a great deal. If you guys want to talk about whether or not your turds are connected, please do it on your own time. Let's try to steer things back on track a bit here. Discussion of serious issues is always needed, but the signal:noise ratio on this list has been getting a bit out of hand lately. re: the Bible Code, there's a ParaScope article that may be of interest; the URL is http://www.parascope.com/articles/0697/bibcode.htm. The article is a bit dated, but it gives a broad overview of the "Bible Code" controversy and raises various points of contention regarding the "accuracy" of Drosnin's purported discovery. Peace out, Charles DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAB298 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:04:08 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:16:11 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21072347 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:16:11 -0500 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.4]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07806 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CFBKa05501 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:04:27 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:04:27 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Revised Film List
-Caveat Lector- Just a few more points Brainstorm - Natalie Wood actually died whilst making this film Conspiracy Theory - Patrick StewarT Goddfellas - Ray LIOTTA's girlfriends NOT played by actors??? what about Debbie Mazar? It is Denzel Washington Pelican Brief - don't forget this was directed by Allen J. Pakula, who was killed in mysterious circumstances recently. Metropolis - who is FRANZ? - it was directed by Fritz Lang. Sid and Nancy - "Involved with unusual Satani cult elements in London" - would that be Punk Rock? Altered States - 1980- Stars William hurt in Ken Russells superior film regarding Sensory Depravation Tanks M.A.R.K. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 January 1999 14:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Revised Film List -Caveat Lector- Just a few points. * Edward Scissorhands is directed by Tim Burton not David Lynch. * One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest was released in 1975 not the 60's. * Rocky Horror Picture Show - er, who's Tim Briggs. Tim Curry is in it though. * JFK - I love the way you put 'Oliver Stone directs'. Says it all really. * Sybil - Stars Sally Field * Conspiracy Theory - this was released in 1997. * How about Enemy Of The State? There is loads more stuff. Some of the storylines are very misleading etc. but i cannot be bothered to do anymore. RoadsEnd wrote: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v55.5) with SMTP; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:16:02 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA09248 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.68.4.233]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:15:58 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:12:11 -0800 From: JABR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Revised Film List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Listers: Recent films mentioned on list lead me to send this article on to you. This is a bit revised and includes a few more films -- below is a list of films on conspiracy, mind control, and ritual abuse topics to rent. My best, Judith _ SELECTED AND ANNOTATED FILM LIST CONSPIRACY AND MIND CONTROL FILMS By Judith ABR c [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1998 I now have a growing list of 68 conspiracy and mind control films, from the early part of film history to the present, which people have recommend to me and which I have viewed. All these selections, with the exception of some historical foreign films, are available for rent at your local video store. Email me with any further suggestions. There are three distinct themes categorically represented on this list: 1) ritual abuse cult films, 2) government - secret political conspiracies, 3) believable alien-hyrid abduction movies. Inclusion on the list was based upon the following factors: 1) revelance to conspiracy themes with plenty of information for researchers and depth of storyline (preferably dramas) and 2) exceptionally well done screen plays, cinematography, acting. Comments are welcome. Judith CATEGORICAL AND ALPHABETICAL ORDER (at some point this list will be in numerical order according to year of film production): I. POLITICAL/ECONOMIC CONSPIRACIES: 1. The Agency ("about the use of sublimineals in television advertisting to influence public behavior and political clout, Robert Mitchum stars"). 2. All the President's Men (Watergate film, "terror in our nation's capitol during that long night when an aspiring fascist regine held our democracy under siege." Frank Rich, NY Post. 3. Amerika (about an endangered Constitution and supports militia concerns about the loss of freedom to covert agencies). 4. Blowup (David Hemmings -- UK star and film, that agent-looking blonde guy, one of the first efforts about the use of high tech surveillance devices used by govt in England, 1960s work utilizes siren signals, people hiding and being stalked, obviously planned car accidents, etc. c. 1968). 5. Brainstorm (C. Walken stars, this was Natalie Wood's last film before she died). 6. Chinatown (J. Nicholson, F. Dunaway - cult classic, 1968). 7. Closetland (Amnesty International film). 8. Conspiracy Theory (Mel Gibson, Julia
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- I agree with SnoOwl, you do seem to have a problem. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 January 1999 08:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk -Caveat Lector- Yay Go boy. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just what is your point, sir? That you've got lots of stuff--more than all the rest of us put together--and you resent the government for taxing you? I am trying to understand your contempt for everyone on this list---and why you are here. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = === To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA143 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:09:32 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 0:21:43 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21117049 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:21:42 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29417 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (sdn-ar-002nyglenP284.dialsprint.net [168.191.118.86]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04107 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:21:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:19:25 + Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- fish. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- My vote is for surrealism.which is the system we seem to be living under. And may explain my general state of contentment, in spite of what many might consider flaws and lacks in my current lifestyle. My giraffe is having a ball. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAC241 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:10:50 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 0:22:38 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21117251 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:22:38 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29868 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:22:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (sdn-ar-002nyglenP284.dialsprint.net [168.191.118.86]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05008 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:22:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:20:53 + Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Combatting mind Control
-Caveat Lector- For anyone worried about Cult Mind Control, may I suggest the following Combatting Cult Mind Control (Park St. Press, 1990) Today, millions of people are being impacted by the influence of destructive cults. People in all walks of life, from the very young to the elderly are being deceptively recruited by a variety of destructive organizations--not just religious, but political, psychological, and commercial in their orientation. If you think it can never happen to you or anyone in your family, this book may change your mind. In this eye-opening account, Steven Hassan aboutsteve.htm, a former cult member and leading expert on destructive cults, shows how unsuspecting individuals are targeted for recruitment, isolated from family and friends, and psychologically manipulated. He identifies those groups which use behavior modification techniques to gain money, influence, and power, and shows how you can protect yourself and your family from their insidious influence. "Beyond its value as an illuminating personal account, this book is an informative and practical guide to cult-related issues...recommended to lay persons who wish to become better informed on this topic and to professionals whose responsibilities bring them into contact with cults, their members, and families whose lives are affected." American Journal of Psychiatry ajp.htm 147:7 July 1990 "Well worth reading by professionals in mental health, particularly those involved with students, because early recognition and appropriate intervention depend on greater awareness of this menace. Mind control is an emotive couplet, but it is not only a delusion in schizophrenia--it is a subtle fact in many people's lives." The Lancet lancet.htm--British Journal of Medicine "A major contribution...for the first time, a skilled and ethical exit counselor has spelled out the details of the complicate yet understandable process of helping free a human being form the bondage of mental manipulation... Steve Hassan has written a 'how to do something about it' book." Margaret Singer, Ph.D. Department of Psychology University of California, Berkeley There are many more endorsements from the religious community rccmc.htm and other professional communities. ccmc.htm Main Page main.htm | Back to Top book.htm | Order Autographed Copy order.htm | Order Online http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0892813113/freedomofmind DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Paranoia Magazine / Mind Control Article
-Caveat Lector- First, an apology to our readers due to the long delay between Issue 18 and Issue 19, the current issue. Like several other small zines, we were really hurt financially by last year's bankruptcy of Fine Print Distributors. But we are back in business now, and hope to continue to receive your support. The Robert Naeslund Mind Control article appears in the current issue of our ink and paper zine, PARANOIA: The Conspiracy Reader, which is available from most bookstores. While I would hope you would check out the magazine, I believe that if you do a web search on "Naeslund", you would find substantially the same information. Also, on a related note, THE CONSPIRACY READER: The Best of Paranoia Magazine, has been published by Citadel Press and is availalble through your local bookstore, or online at amazon.com! Al Hidell, co-Editor PARANOIA PO Box 1041 Providence, RI 02901 1 yr (4 issues) $20 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Echoes from the Past
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote: I think it is really, really interesting that the morality of the nation is being discussed in terms of Bill Clinton's personal, sexual behavior. Why isn't the morality of the nation being considered in terms of all it's most successful citizens... Because no matter how successful it's most successful citizens are, they are not the LEADER of that nation... And would would hope that the person elected to that office reflected the highest of moral and ethical behavior The fact that we don't, and even more tellingly, that as a nation we seem blase' to this sort of behavior, is damning to the nation as a whole... dissecting their sex lives, their divorces, their ethical behavior in both private and corporate practice I don't particularly care about their sex lives and divorces, unless it enters into the realm of general ethics...and yes, ethics, both private and corporate, ARE important... Given all the facts we might come up with some interesting polls and statistics...and an explanation for the cynicism of many of our young people, which is largely based on their observation that greed, ruthlessness, the "right connections," and an ability to be totally unscrupulous are positive "values" for those who would achieve the outer limits of The American Dream. Perhaps due to the unethical shenanigans of our leaders being given just a wink and a nod, a little elbowing to the ribs with a low chuckle...hey, if THEY can get away with it, why not the rank-and-file citizen? I was just telling someone an incident that very much describes what you mention about young people's attitudes -- the past couple of years, I've gotten into kite flying...I'm still in the 'minor leagues', but where I fly on weekends, there are a couple of guys with really huge kites the size of small buses (the kites are based on parachute designs)...when we all have our kites staked out, especially when the huge ones are flying, it's quite a show, free entertainment for the people at the park, who for the most part express amazement and awe... But I'm always surprised at the ones whose first question asked is "How much do those things cost?" (it's a variation on the theme that if you have to ask, you can't afford them...but in this case if they're asking, they may indeed be able to afford them, but would never buy one...) And the saddest case was one day when a group of young black men stopped by, totally amazed at what they saw...and then asked "Can you make any serious money flying those things?"... At first I laughed, telling them that I'd like to figure out how, so that I could quit my day job and fly all the time...but when it dawned on them that none of us were making money with these things, that in fact it COST us money, I could tell that they were totally lost...they just couldn't grasp the concept of doing something for the JOY of doing it, without any monetary reward to it... Crime has always been an element of success in America. But the system can be merciless to those who get "caught." Unless you're white, in the upper stratas economically, are well-connected politically, and steal megabucks...then you just get a slap on the wrist and go to a 'Club Med' prison for a couple of years... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote: But we can't forget it was 'Liberals' who decided that previously institutionalized people suffering from mental illness should be 'mainstreamed' into society, with the result that these people were released from the institutions with nowhere to go, and no support network Which was preceded by exposes such as the film "Willowbrook " which revealed horrendous and shocking abuses at said institutions. What happened in between the closing of those institutions and the opening of shelters and the creation of networks? Ah yes-- a Bush administration. No, it all happened well before 1988...the institutionalized mentally ill were mainstreamed well before "Willowbrook", due to the flower-child mentality of the 60s that people should be 'free'...a process that was hastened by the introduction of what were considered 'magic bullet' wonder drugs to treat the mentally ill...it was naively thought that these previously institutionalized people would just automatically keep up with their meds when not under constant supervision... I agree that many of these institutions were houses of horror...but some were not, we had a couple here in Connecticut that were like country clubs, which attracted many of the rich and famous along with those whome the state sent... By the late 70s, most of these facilities were empty, operating as day houses if they stayed open at all... The problem that none of these PhD's foresaw was the fact that most of these previously institutionalized patients had little, if any, job skills...many did not have families to turn to...definitely no monetary resources...so what were they to do? Where were they to go? A few lucky ones who were 'together' enough to figure out a game plan made it to programs that provided them a temporary shelter as it taught them job skills and helped them find jobs...but for the vast majority, they ended up on the street, unable or unwilling to take their meds (presuming what they'd been prescribed worked in the long run, anyways) Unfortunately, just when these people needed publicly funded programs for shelter and job training the most, the Reagan Administration gutted the programs... So it's a case of 'a pox on both your houses' -- the mentally ill were deinstitutionalized under a relatively liberal attitude (laudable, if naive), that they'd be better off outside an institution, an attitude that resulted from rose-colored blinders, of not evaluating what the LONG term results to the patients would be, and to plan accordingly...and then those who were deinstitutionalized fell victim to the conservative gutting of social welfare programs... And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, but that happened circa 1980, not 1988... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Settlers
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: England was divided into four sorts of people: gentlemen, citizens, yeomen, and laborers. At the top of the social pile were the gentlemen (monarch, dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts and barons--who either inherited their exalted titles as the eldest male heirs of their families, or were granted them by the monarch). Below the gentlemen were the knights. In England, the mark of a gentleman was "idleness." And these 'gentlemen' comprised a goodly number of the first immigrants to the New World, especially to the southern colonies...usually minor aristocracy, especially those who were not the first-born, and hence were not in line to inherit the family estate...they thought they could make a quick fortune in the Americas, and return to England after a few years and live a life of rich idleness... One of the problems with these colonists is that they were too used to a life of 'idleness', and considered farming as 'beneath their station'... Below these aristocrats were the citizens or burgesses. Which for the most part were the class the Pilgrims came from...again, little experience actually living off the land, and with the same attitude that doing so was for those of the 'lower classes'... While forced to farm to survive in their first years in the New World, these colonies quickly established their own 'class' system, where those who were merchants and 'professionals' -- doctors, lawyers, etc. -- were considered 'better' than lowly farmers... Below them was the great mass of ordinary people who in the words of Sir Thomas Smith"[have] no voice nor authority in our commonwealth and no account is made of them but only to be ruled" (qtd. in Greenblatt 7). And few of these great masses had actual experience in living off the land, either...the majority being laborers, servants, etc. But Shakespeare's MACBETH (1606), Middleton's WITCH (1616) and Dekker's WITCH OF EDMONTON (1621) are testaments to the widespread fear of witchcraft in early modern England. And some of you wonder why your ancestors wanted to leave the Old World? Well, in the case of the Pilgrims, they thought that the Old World was TOO LIBERAL, and wanted to establish their own fanatical vision of "God's Word On Earth" in the 'untainted' New World...except those pesky pagan Indians got in the way... In the southern colonies, as I mentioned before, the INITIAL colonies were not of people of the lower classes who were starving, but fairly well-to-do people of the lower aristocracy and merchant classes, whose plans were, for the most part, NOT to live out their lives in the colonies, but to make a quick fortune and return to Mother England to live a life of ease... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Carpozi Book (Apparently) Re-issued
-Caveat Lector- Book, "Clinton Confidential," is way ahead of its time. Told all you never wanted to know about Bill Clinton when published about 5 years ago. I luckily got a copy of the book at the time, before it effectively disappeared. Newsmax press release (below) indicates the book has apparently been re-issued. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:54:20 -0600 From: newsmax [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Breaking News from Newsmax.com This is a post-only mailing. Please DO NOT respond to this message. *** http://www.newsmax.com Book Details Williams Case and Much More! Now available from www.newsmax.com/store.html Clinton Confidential -- Updated Edition by George Carpozi, Jr. George Carpozi, a veteran of 50 years in journalism and the winner of more than 30 awards for investigative reporting, has written the definitive biography of Bill Clinton. The best selling author hit a brick wall when his Clinton Confidential first went to press. Book reviewers would not touch it. Bookstores banned it. He was told his career as an author was finished. Carpozi's sensational allegations about Clinton, from wild cocaine parties to the Danny Williams story, were just too much for the liberal establishment to take -- no matter how respected Carpozi was as a journalist, and no matter how many books he had sold in his storied career. Now you can read the full, untold story about Bill Clinton. Includes the latest details about Lewinsky, filegate, Foster and Brown deaths and more. To order click here: www.newsmax.com/store.html *** If you do not wish to be placed on the NewsMax email list, reply to this message with email and type the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the first line of BODY copy, or send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the NewsMax email list, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more information, address your inquiries to the list manager at the email address show below: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Squawk re-writes American history!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/99 5:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, I think oil is more useful in my automobile than it is 6,000 feet beneath the surface of the earth... So I'm all for plundering oil and anything else that can make my life better. I suggest you have it made. You were born into the right time and are doing very well. I hope you manage to hang onto all your stuff. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] test
-Caveat Lector- test DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Two Republicans To Be Larry Flynted
-Caveat Lector- From USA Today 01/08/99- Updated 01:45 AM ET The Nation's Homepage Flynt hustles from porn to politics LOS ANGELES - He made his reputation in the world of hard-core sex publishing and had long wanted to be a player in the world of politics. Now Larry Flynt has achieved his goal - to the dismay of politicians and analysts. One academic calls his tactics "sexual bounty hunting." But Flynt says he only wants to unmask the hypocrisy of the investigation into President Clinton. As the Senate planned to put Clinton on trial, the Hustler magazine publisher was scheming to embarrass a "big fish" Republican, just as he did with Rep. Bob Livingston. "This guy is really a gem," Flynt told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "We've got enough to go on now, but we are waiting for an affidavit from his ex-wife." Flynt said he will make the disclosure next week at a news conference. He described his next victim only as a GOP House member who has been a strong critic of Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. In October, Flynt ran a full-page advertisement in The Washington Post offering as much as $1 million to anyone who "had an adulterous sexual encounter with a current member of the U.S. Congress or a high-ranking government official" and could produce documentation of it. Livingston, a Louisiana Republican who was about to take over as House Speaker, turned down the gavel and said he would resign from Congress after confirming Flynt's discovery that he had had adulterous affairs. Flynt also said he will name a third politician later next week, and that he is paying up to $4 million to a number of women who responded to his ad. He plans to publish details in a one-time magazine called The Flynt Report. "He (Flynt) always wanted to be a political player," said Paul Krassner, who served briefly as Hustler publisher in 1978 and runs the alternative paper The Realist in Los Angeles. "He wanted to play a part in politics and in the culture of the country," Krassner said, "and he got what he wanted." Political analysts are recoiling at the influence now being wielded by Flynt, self-described "pornographer, pundit and social outcast." "It's almost as if we as a society have fallen through the looking glass," said Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, a political scientist at Claremont Graduate University. "I have never seen anything quite like it." Jeffe said that by driving the public discourse to new lows, Flynt will deepen cynicism about the impeachment process and government in general. "This is dangerous to democracy," Jeffe said. "It's dangerous to the First Amendment and it only adds to the cynicism we see out there. This is sexual bounty hunting." Fearful politicians are already talking about being "Larry Flynted." The president himself has decried "the politics of personal destruction" and Livingston warned of "government-by-Larry Flynt." "Certainly, scandal-mongering goes back to the beginning of the republic," said Gary Jacobson, a political science professor at the University of California, San Diego. "But now it is on this huge financial scale. It's a sign of the times." Flynt's previous forays into mainstream celebrity have included offering a $1 million reward for new information in the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In the 1984 trial of automaker John DeLorean, he released a government videotape of DeLorean with a suitcase full of cocaine. Flynt, 56, made his name with a hard-core sex magazine that once pictured a woman being put through a meat grinder. He once went to the Supreme Court over a magazine spoof ad suggesting the Rev. Jerry Falwell lost his virginity to his mother in an outhouse. Flynt won the fight in the Supreme Court. He later gained legitimacy in some eyes when the 1996 movie The People vs. Larry Flynt portrayed him as a First Amendment hero. He has been in a wheelchair since a man, incensed by an interracial photo spread in Hustler, shot him in 1978. That same white gunman also admitted shooting and wounding Vernon Jordan, the Washington lawyer and Clinton confidant who is a key figure in the Lewinsky investigation. By The Associated Press _ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id CQG310AW; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:41 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011342@SERVERA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:38 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] External Forces To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] GCSC2: UC Berkeley, Global Crisis Solutions Conference #2, March 1, 1999, final plan
Please review and forward to your interested contacts asap. Below is also posted at http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000 This is the final plan for the second Global Crisis Solutions Conference, scheduled for 10AM to 4PM on Monday, March 1, 1999, at the Alumni House at UC Berkeley. This will be a conference to foster solutions and alternatives to war; that is, the Peace, full awareness and prosperity available from bridging the understandings of new science and traditional spiritual insights applied to solving today's social and environmental crises. This is the final opportunity for you and your friends to help make sure that this conference happens on the above schedule without delay. I have received a lot of encouragement and offers of outreach support over the last three weeks on this, but now need firm commitments to make sure that it happens as scheduled. If advance ticket sales are not adequate by January 21st, all will be refunded and the conference postponed or cancelled. This is necessary to confirm expenses can be covered on time. The speakers whose availability and intent to participate have been confirmed include Chris Conrad, Joseph Newman, Dr. Brian O'Leary, Michael Ruppert, Dr. Fred Wood III, and the Rev. Dr. Yusen Yamato. Next I need commitments from those who will be attending, setting up information tables, and/or offering their financial support to this event as a benefit for the Global Peace Walk which will be carrying the messages presented to the United Nations by September 16th and walking from there to Washington, DC, for the October 24, 1999, "March for Peaceful Energy" and "Rally to End Secrecy" events at the US Capitol. I have received commitments from several organizations in the Bay area to help with ticket distribution and from colleagues in Los Angeles to help with the videotaping and internet telecast of this event. I would like to have produced this as a free program but the expenses, including renting the space and hosting some of the speakers from out of town, requires a fund raising formula as outlined below. We expect to gain major media coverage leading up to and including this conference in order to alert the general public to the critical problems and available solutions associated with today's global social and environmental emergency and to compel a public response to them in order to implement U.S. National Policy changes which can ameliorate war, crime, nuclear and terrorism threats, global warming, ozone layer depletion, the War on Drugs (including the recently admitted US CIA involvement with the smuggling of hard drugs into our cities to fund covert weapons sales for wars around the world, while the bulk of our prison cells are being filled with non-violent hemp/marijuana and drug offenders), etc. -- policy changes which need to be made in time to prevent otherwise potentially imminent catastrophes. Chris Conrad is an internationally recognized expert in the history and uses of hemp/cannabis/marijuana, and in the adverse impacts of the US War on Drugs on human rights. He is the owner of Creative Xpressions, the Director of Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp (BACH) and the Family Council on Drug Awareness, the Art Director of the Human Rights and the Drug War project, author of "Hemp, Lifeline to the Future", "Hemp for Health", and co-author of "Shattered Lives: Portraits from America's Drug War" (with Mikki Norris and Virginia Resner), "Human Rights and the Drug War" (with Mikki Norris and Virginia Resner). Chris' website is http://www.chrisconrad.com He is also a member of the Hemp Industries Association. Chris edited Jack Herer's earlier edition of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" in which he put forth the evidence that hemp was fraudulently outlawed as marijuana. Chris has been a key figure in the movements to legalize industrial hemp and medical marijuana in North America. Joseph Newman is a self taught homemade genius who has developed a widely recognized rigorous mechanical theory of electromagnetism which led him to the discovery of an energy machine that liberates energy as electricity and mechanical (motor) power. He and his supporters see this as leading to the replacement of nuclear and fossil fuel power entirely with their attendant dangers, costs, and pollutions. Although some prejudicially believe that his energy machine can't work because it "violates the laws of physics", he and numerous scientists who have tested it over more than 20 years feel that its explanation is consistent with correct principles of physics. He has been on numerous television shows and written up in many print media as probably the most famous American new-energy technology inventor, yet the U.S. Government still refuses him a patent even thought eleven Congresspeople introduced separate legislation to give him a pioneering patent to override the reluctant patent office. His most recent tests in Arizona have produced results
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- Yes, I can confirm this. It is a result of Donnie Osmond's purple socks being sucked into the NORAD computer and causing it to crash. My computer has a virus too, so I have kept it home from school and presribed Children's Tylenol for the fever. This is a grave concern for us as a nation. It is even more frightening than the time I found out that I was made of tin foil and reflected the sun wherever I went. Of course, I shouldn't be telling you this as I have a radio in my head that is controlled by Eva Peron. If I am discovered revealing sensitive information, she will make me listen to selections from "The Sound of Music" performed by Tyne Daly through a running vaccum cleaner. Naturally this is something to sneeze at, but not too close as I don't want to make my computer even more ill than it is. Why don't we all just tie ribbons in our entrails and try to use our pets as kites. That way we can get them tangled in passing planes and get free trips to anywhere in the world. _ -Caveat Lector- I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id CQG310AW; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:41 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011342@SERVERA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:38 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] External Forces To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and
[CTRL] Senate letter
-Caveat Lector- I sent this off to the 100 individual senators...I hope it gets posted to the list. U. S. Senate December 31, 1998 Washington, D.C. To all Senators: This letter brings with it, the hope of a peaceful, healthy and prosperous New Year for you and yours, and that our Nation will continue to have Gods grace shed upon it. As a new year brings changes in the U.S. Senate, perhaps this letter will be passed on to others as well, who will now help carry the torch. My intention is to share my thoughts and give support to you, in the difficult decisions ahead, especially as a Presidential impeachment trial begins. There are few sadder tasks possible for you and our entire Nation to experience and endure than such a trial. What troubles me, are the polls and various information coming from the major media regarding public opinion of President Clinton. If we believe the media-hype, then President Clinton is almost owed an apology from the nation, but if we believe the majority of computer polls across the country, his removal from office will once again restore integrity to, and trust in our system of government. It amazes me, how one man can place such a burden upon so great a nation that has endured the perils of world wars, economic breakdowns, and natural catastrophes. A popular phrase coined recently, Its the economy, stupid , has people thinking of the prosperity. Certainly everyone enjoys the fullness of life that a strong, healthy economy can produce. But we must not allow such prosperity and comfort to overshadow the decay in our nation. Tons of cocaine and heroin continue to pour into our major cities. Increased immorality, sexual crimes, promiscuity, and social unrest destroy the very fabric of America. But the major-media puts up a smoke screen telling us violent crime is on the down slide. Our intelligence and awareness of Americas serious problems has been insulted and underestimated by many political and economic leaders. I find that appalling, and destructive to the progress of the nation. We must change this attitude and more closely work with our representatives, or we will be swallowed up by the globalist agenda as the U.S. weakens. Our current Rhodes scholar, President Clinton, is diligently removing our sovereignty as he supports the United Nations global agenda. The world was never meant to be ruled under one order or agenda, but rather to help one another, as all nations grow in their own time and way. Considering if only 10% were true of the many books written about President Clintons abuse of power and lack of integrity, America has a serious problem to contend with. How could over fifty people surrounding President Clinton, have met with mysterious homicides, suicides or imprisonment during the Presidents term of office without some serious questions being asked ? The decisions you make during this historic trial will affect the course of our nation and the relationship we have with our neighbors of the world. May the wisdom and guidance of God be with you all. Sincerely, Harry Hendrickson Maybe there are some that will think twice before cowering under the threat of blackmail. We all have to realize ourselves in the other persons place. These senators have much to lay on the line after all is done. We of course will be affected by their decisions too, but the ones who go against the grain will stand to lose almost everything. There are such powerful influences working here, that we really have no idea to what magnitude. So, I say this, that if a senator stands up against the tide of this impeachment trial, he has earned my respect. Sure, some may simply vote the party, but this trial has much more at stake..harry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Evil Agenda of the Secret Government: Exposing Project Paper Clip the Underground UFO Bases of Hitler's Elite Scientific Corps
-Caveat Lector- from: http://search.borders.com/fcgi- bin/db2www/search/search.d2w/Details?mediaType=BookprodID=45687047 A HREF="http://search.borders.com/fcgi- bin/db2www/search/search.d2w/Details?mediaType=BookprodID=45687047" Borders.com - Evil Agenda of the Secret Governm /A - Evil Agenda of the... Our Price: $14.95 Availability: This title usually ships within 4-6 weeks but must be ordered from the publisher (or label). Community View Evil Agenda of the Secret Government: Exposing Project Paper Clip the Underground UFO Bases of Hitler's Elite Scientific Corps Hardcover, Inner Ligh, September 1998 ISBN: 1892062003 Author: Swartz, Tim Subject / Style: Occultism Parapsychology : UFOs Copyright © 1998 Borders Online, Inc. is the authorized licensee of the Borders.com trademark and domain name and the Borders NetCafe trademark. All rights reserved. Copyright 1998 Muze Inc. All rights reserved. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] U.S. Military Non-Lethal Weapons]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- These files generally have been 'compressed' in some way and will need a 'decompressor' on your end. Do you have a virus checker? Do you have a mac or pc? Om K - In a message dated 1/7/99 12:14:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do I get a warning when trying to download files from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are these files safe to download?? Please respond. These files look interesting but I am hesitant to down load because I don't know the sender and they may contain executable code. Thankyou. Bob Also, what browser is he using? Internet Explorer (a/k/a Internet Exploiter) 4.x by default prompts you whether you want to open or save a file. Remember that anything with a .txt extension is safe, because it's nothing but a text file. If you're at all doubtful about a file, but want to download it anyway, save it to a special folder or even a floppy disk, then run your antivirus program on it before you do anything else. And for ghod's sake, keep your AV program up-to-date! Bob (another one) = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Senate letter
-Caveat Lector- The great tragedy of all of this impeachment stuff is that President Clinton might be forced out of office before May 21 and then he wouldn't get to see a free screening of the "Star Wars" prequel. Then he'll have to wait on line with everyone else while people make jokes about his crooked lightsaber. -- From: Harry Hendrickson[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Senate letter -Caveat Lector- I sent this off to the 100 individual senators...I hope it gets posted to the list. U. S. Senate December 31, 1998 Washington, D.C. To all Senators: This letter brings with it, the hope of a peaceful, healthy and prosperous New Year for you and yours, and that our Nation will continue to have God's grace shed upon it. As a new year brings changes in the U.S. Senate, perhaps this letter will be passed on to others as well, who will now help "carry the torch". My intention is to share my thoughts and give support to you, in the difficult decisions ahead, especially as a Presidential impeachment trial begins. There are few sadder tasks possible for you and our entire Nation to experience and endure than such a trial. What troubles me, are the polls and various information coming from the major media regarding public opinion of President Clinton. If we believe the "media-hype", then President Clinton is almost owed an apology from the nation, but if we believe the majority of computer polls across the country, his removal from office will once again restore integrity to, and trust in our system of government. It amazes me, how one man can place such a burden upon so great a nation that has endured the perils of world wars, economic breakdowns, and natural catastrophes. A popular phrase coined recently, "It's the economy, stupid ", has people thinking of the prosperity. Certainly everyone enjoys the fullness of life that a strong, healthy economy can produce. But we must not allow such prosperity and comfort to overshadow the decay in our nation. Tons of cocaine and heroin continue to pour into our major cities. Increased immorality, sexual crimes, promiscuity, and social unrest destroy the very fabric of America. But the major-media puts up a "smoke screen " telling us violent crime is on the down slide. Our intelligence and awareness of America's serious problems has been insulted and underestimated by many political and economic leaders. I find that appalling, and destructive to the progress of the nation. We must change this attitude and more closely work with our representatives, or we will be "swallowed up" by the globalist agenda as the U.S. weakens. Our current "Rhodes scholar", President Clinton, is diligently removing our sovereignty as he supports the United Nations global agenda. The world was never meant to be ruled under one "order "or "agenda", but rather to help one another, as all nations grow in their own time and way. Considering if only 10% were true of the many books written about President Clinton's abuse of power and lack of integrity, America has a serious problem to contend with. How could over fifty people surrounding President Clinton, have met with mysterious homicides, suicides or imprisonment during the President's term of office without some serious questions being asked ? The decisions you make during this historic trial will affect the course of our nation and the relationship we have with our neighbors of the world. May the wisdom and guidance of God be with you all. Sincerely, Harry Hendrickson Maybe there are some that will think twice before cowering under the threat of blackmail. We all have to realize ourselves in the other persons place. These senators have much to lay on the line after all is done. We of course will be affected by their decisions too, but the ones who go against the grain will stand to lose almost everything. There are such powerful influences working here, that we really have no idea to what magnitude. So, I say this, that if a senator stands up against the tide of this impeachment trial, he has earned my respect. Sure, some may simply vote the party, but this trial has much more at stake..harry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
[CTRL] Ready For Pope Potato Chips?
-Caveat Lector- "At a news conference, church spokesman Hector Fernandez assured the faithful that `the Holy Father will not be linked to the advertising campaign nor will he go out dressed as a potato.'" == Ready For Pope Potato Chips? MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Remember Pope-on-a-Rope-Soap? Well, get ready for papal potato chips. A Mexican potato chip company is helping local Roman Catholic Church officials raise funds for Pope John Paul II's four-day visit this month by adding photographs of the pope or the Virgin of Guadeloupe inside each bag of Sabritas brand potato chips. For two pesos, or about 20 cents, collectors can purchase a special album from Sabritas to hold 10 different pictures. Proceeds from the album sales will go to the Catholic Church in Mexico. If all nine million albums are sold, that would mean 18 million pesos, or about $1.8 million, for the church. The pope's visit is expected to cost about $1.2 million. At a news conference, church spokesman Hector Fernandez assured the faithful that ``the Holy Father will not be linked to the advertising campaign nor will he go out dressed as a potato.'' In Spanish, the word for pope and potato is the same: papa. It was not clear if a pun was intended. Asked if it was a bit cheeky to drop a picture of the pope into a bag of chips, Fernandez said no. ``It's not a promotional event,'' but instead designed to spread the pope's message to every corner of Mexico, he said. Sabritas officials said they did not expect to increase sales or make extra profits off the campaign, even though Mexicans love to plaster images of the Virgin and the pope on everything from taxis and buses to lunch boxes and window displays. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TOSH PLUMLEE
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail1.htm A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail1.htm"Untitled Document/A - E-MAIL RECEIVED FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE ON 11/15/98 Note: Mr. Plumlee knows the full context of his confession to us on videotape and in his e-mail questions why we haven't posted all of his confession. I explained to him the reasons and he is clear on it. E-Mail from Tosh Plumlee To Bob Vernon: Just looked at http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com So much you have missed. Of course I see things a little different than you, but I am cursed with another vision which is much larger than the Kennedy thing which encompasses years of "Black Ops" in many different areas under extremely tight security with deadly political overtures toward those which did the missions. How about the guy who took missile tech off the island (Cuba) - Who was that pilot? The Pawley Expedition? Just one of many political operations from J/M WAVE and OMC operations. Sorta like the Sullivan and O'Rouke thing in 1957 and the pilot "Guthrie." How about the Santa Clara raids with Frank Strugis? You've missed so much of the thread that connects all this. Tosh = from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail2.htm A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail2.htm"Untitled Document/A - E-MAIL #2 RECEIVED FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE ON 11/15/98 Note: My e-mail request to Tosh was for him to please elaborate one more time on the flight from Florida to Dallas and the time he landed in Dallas on the morning of 11/22/63. His responses are consistent with everything he's ever told us. E-Mail response from Tosh Plumlee To Bob Vernon: Rojas the pilot had flown for MATs a few years before he started flying for Riddle Airlines and Regina Airlines two CIA front companies, (or used as fronts) The twin beach came from LB Smith Aircraft Corp of Miami The DC-3 came from Regina or Riddle... not sure. We did not file any flight plans from West Palmonly an AIDZ ID check as military when we crossed out of eastern Florida to New Orl. over water. Not sure if the DC3 was picked up inTampa. The Twin Beech was a Miami International based aircraft at L.B. Smith and maintained by Riddle Airline mech. it was flown from Lantana to Tampa... then the Riddle DC-3 picked up, for more load and cross water. On Tosh's arrival in Dallas during the early morning hours of 11/22/63: I think it was around 6 am - 7am Weather was breaking toward Redbird when we got to Garland and we could hop on over to Redbird later that dayeveryone split up at Garland.By ten am I think I was at the safe house in Oak Cliff not far from Redbird and the DC3 was at Redbird by thenbeen a long time... Tosh = from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshconfess.htm A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshconfess.htm" CONFESSION OF CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE/A - EXCERPTS FROM THE CONFESSION OF CIA PILOT ROBERT "TOSH" PLUMLEE Former CIA pilot Robert "Tosh" Plumlee speaks out for the first time about his participation in the JFK assassination. Mr. Plumlee's testimony to the United States Senate Intelligence Committee has been classified as "Top Secret." WARNING This confidential report and the information herein are the sole and exclusive copyrighted property of Investigative Concepts Unlimited ("ICU"), 2609 Coffee Tree Court, Antioch, CA 94509, Phone: (925) 754-8833. This report, in full or in part, may not be reproduced, copied, broadcast, distributed, or disseminated in any manner without the expressed written consent of ICU. Anyone who violates this copyright notice may be subject to civil and criminal penalties and jail. All copyright infringements shall be reported to the FBI. Q: Tosh, how do you make your living, what kind of occupation are you in? A: I'm a pilot, commercial pilot. Q: When did you first become a pilot? A: I started in 1956. I was an aircraft mechanic prior to going in and getting my license. Q: And, you've been flying for a living ever since? A: Off and on and also doing other jobs in those lean, lean years so to speak. Q: In your times as a pilot, have you ever been associated with or worked with the CIA? A: Yes I have. Q: What was the first time? A: The first time was 1956 and the first time I became involved, connected with the CIA, through out of military intelligence, was the M-267 and that was a gun running supply operation to supply guns and ammunition to the students at the University of Havana inside Cuba. This was pro-Castro days. This was before Castro came into power. And, that was the beginning. Q: Have you worked with the CIA since that time? A: Yes, I've worked with the CIA. Q: On just another occasion or many occasions? A: On many occasions. Q: Over a period of how many years? A: Off and on, over a period of 30 years. Q: Have you ever met, in your
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: Re: Johnson Clinton impeachments]
-Caveat Lector- Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: H-Texas Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: Re: Johnson Clinton impeachments Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:31:45 CST6CDT From: "Gus L. Seligmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of North Texas Subject: Re: Johnson Clinton impeachments (Posted by Ray Stephens) Since opinions are worth what one pays for them I might as well throw mine into the pot. It is a Republican mantra that this isn't about sex it is about perjury. In that they are both right and wrong. It isn't totally about sex and it isn't totally about perjury although both are part of the pie. What is also part of the pie and it is the Republicans dark secret is that it is also about reversing the outcome of the past two presidential elections. The GOP has been desperately in search of something, anything for the past four years. Finally they succeeded at the cost of millions in both public and private funds. snipped for space Linda, this may be the *sanest* thing anyone has yet written about l'affaire Clinton. Thank you for posting it. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- Ladybird Johnson did it. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . . -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/ A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/"JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years/A - Many reports and web links. As always, . . . Om K - This web site placed here as a special courtesy for the United States Department of Justice. Click on the links below for review. THE LAST SHOT MEET THE MAN WHO KILLED JFK. HE IS STILL ALIVE! A man will try to sleep tonight in prison Somewhere in the midwest. Sleep won't come easy. Far too many memories of cold blooded murder and covert espionage nibble their way toward the inner shreds of his soul. or what's left of it... His cell is dark and damp An old guitar rests proudly in one corner. Hank and Willie songbooks lay in a state of disarray near the dingy sink next to the one towel he owns. A guitar pick made of empty matchbook covers and rubberbands is wedged between the rusty old strings and the instrument's battered neck Secrets rest here or merely dance in turmoil A life of murder and government orders intermeshed with organized crime and mom's apple pie. The air is still, the night is long a dreamer not, least he sleep. But sleep won't come the whole night through He'll tell too much if he talks The mob and the CIA have warned him already. His family has been threatened. There is no turning back now. It's too late. He has confessed In living color and in stereo digital sound on a piece of magnetic video tape Network quality Immortalized forever in American history. The warden created a special area for him. Only his friends are around him He shall not be killed by a young stranger with a mission They will have to work hard to silence him forever The warden knows he is telling the truth The warden's toughest job is to keep him alive for another 50 years. to serve his time... Inside his head are the secrets of history The early days of Vietnam and why we really fought there The Bay of Pigs The events that occurred in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. The assassination of a U.S. President The death of foreign Presidents.. The murders of thousands of innocent people worldwide. Armed violence Aggravated assault Explosives... Covert "black" operations.. He is sudden death to the leaders of the invisible government. There is no trace of his birth record. The CIA erased that years ago NEW JFK REPORT FROM DENMARK! THE REMINGTON FIREBALL XP-100 THE MOTEL AND THE PANCAKE HOUSE JAMES FILES BEHIND THE STOCKADE FENCE? DEALEY PLAZA MAP OF PARTICIPANTS 11/22/63 JFK MURDER SOLVED PICTURE GALLERY THE 3 TRAMPS - WERE THEY CIA? THE MAN THAT EMBALMED JFK CONFESSION EVIDENCE INVESTIGATION SUMMARY MORE EVIDENCE WARNING! The contents of this web site are the copyrighted property of Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc. and Investigative Concepts Unlimited and are not to be reproduced, duplicated, copied or distributed in any form whatsoever without the expressed written consent of the copyright holders. Any violation of this warning shall be subject to criminal investigation by the FBI and violators may receive fines and time in jail or both. NEW REPORT ON JAMES FILES IN REAL PLAYER G2 FORMAT FBI DOCUMENTS ON JAMES EARL FILES PICTURES OF JAMES FILES AGES 10-12, 21, 34, 52 RESULTS OF FIRST LIE DETECTOR TEST ON JAMES FILES JAMES EARL FILES FAMILY TREE CIA PILOTS ON THE SOUTH GRASSY KNOLL CONFESSION EXCERPTS OF CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE MORE FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE 11/15/98 E-MAIL FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE! E-MAIL #2 11/15/98 FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE THE DOCUMENT THE CIA DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE! CHRISTMAS CARD FROM JAMES FILES WHO IS THIS MAN SEEN IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11/22/63? - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be
[CTRL] Philosophers Discuss Latest News
-Caveat Lector- PHILOSOPHERS DISCUSS LATEST NEWS (CNNS, 01/08/99) -- In the jumble of news events, it is hard to make sense of it all. "What are 'they' up to?" asked this news service in a recent editorial. CNNS put the question to three unemployed philosophers, Glaucon, Polemarchus, and Thrasymachus. Here is the transcript of that discussion. CNNS: Says here, in National Enquirer, that Barbara Streisand is terrified of a potential Y2K disaster and has turned her home into an "armed fortress," and is about to hire armed guards to patrol her house. ("Streisand's Millennium Meltdown," Nat. Enquirer, 1/12/99.) POLEMARCHUS: It is true, as the poet says, that "People who need people are the luckiest people in the world." If she is hiring guards, is that not, truly, that she is "needing people"? GLAUCON: I cannot agree, Friend Polemarchus. For the guards are there to keep people away. THRASYMACHUS: Hold! For if Barbara is both "needing people" and "not needing people" then here we have a fallacy. Therefore the National Enquirer's story cannot be correct. CNNS: Okay. Thanks for straightening that out. Here's another story in the news. It says in New American magazine that Linda Tripp, soon before testifying to a grand jury, received a document from Monica Lewinsky. The document listed "people who had died in and around the Clinton administration." ("War Against Impeachment," New American, 1/18/99.) That document, in other words, was the so-called "Clinton Body Count." What do you learned ones think about that? GLAUCON: True friendship is a wonderful thing, for it withstands time. To distinguish the real from illusion, know that only the real is unchanged by time. THRASYMACHUS: But is the friendship between Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp real? For it has been changed by time. POLEMARCHUS: And so, therefore, the friendship between them never existed. For if time determines what is real, and if the friendship was destroyed by time, then the friendship was not real in the first place. GLAUCON: Yes, Friend Polemarchus, you speak true. The one confused the other with mathematics when she troubled Linda's mind with a count of dead bodies, just when her mind was weighty with other matters. CNNS: Your words are filled with wisdom. One last question. It says here that the CBS network program "60 Minutes" aired a false documentary about drug smuggling in Colombia. It says that the whole story was "fabricated" yet had won "numerous journalism awards." ("60 Minutes Documentary A Sham," New American, 1/18/99.) THRASYMACHUS: This program, "60 Minutes": Does it in fact allot 60 minutes to its reports? CNNS: No, they really only give about 45 minutes. GLAUCON: Then that means that the very title of the program is a lie? CNNS: Yes, that seems true. POLEMARCHUS: Then, Friend CNNS, since the very title of the program, "60 Minutes," is a lie, it must follow that their reports are also lies. Is this not so? CNNS: You speak truly. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 12:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, it's still going on. There's a big fight going on re a half-way house in our area right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Recent UFO Book
-Caveat Lector- Worth taking a look. Gavin. Above Black : Project Preserve Destiny Insider Account of Alien Contact Government Cover-Up by Dan Sherman Try express shopping with 1-ClickSM and Gift Click Our Price: $18.00 Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Paperback (October 1997) Oneteam Pub; ISBN: 0966097807 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 101,710 Avg. Customer Review: Number of Reviews: 1 Write an online review and share your thoughts with other readers! Customers who bought this book also bought: The Catchers of Heaven : A Trilogy; Michael Wolf Unconventional Flying Objects : A Scientific Analysis; Paul R. Hill Glimpses of Other Realities : High Strangeness; Linda Moulton Howe Click here for more suggestions... Customer Comments Average Customer Review: Number of Reviews: 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] from Nothern Virginia , August 2, 1998 Most Credible Accounting of the Gov't UFO Conspiracy Yet!!! Dan Sherman's 'Above Black: Project Preserve Destiny' is one of the most compelling UFO books I have read. Told in a straight, matter of fact tone, Sherman recounts his recruitment and training by the Air Force to communicate 'intuitively' with an alien species. According to Sherman his story begins in the early 60's with the abduction of his mother and his own subsequent genetic manipulation to foster is unique communication abilities. Subsequent to his entry into the Air Force, Sherman eventually is recruited into AF Intelligence. While stationed at the National Security Agency to attend an electronic warfare course, Sherman is also trained secretly to invoke his 'Intuitive Communicator' (IC) abilities and understand the associated protocols. Following his training, the book on one level recounts his AF postings, his communications with aliens and the knowledge they impair. On another, the book documents his increasing ill ease and frustration of being part a sinister! Government program that lies to its people about an impending Armageddon and it's complicity in the abduction of citizens it's worn to protect. As a UFO investigator of sorts, I have checked many of Sherman's claims and have verified the veracity of each one. My only critique is that Dan writing will not be confused with a great stylist. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Radio campaign
-Caveat Lector- Of course, he includes "No new taxes" and "I wasn't in the loop" and a few others, no? I wonder if someone sent him an I.O.U. (negative contribution), would he honour that as well? (All remittances being sent to a *worthwhile* cause, of course.) Am I seeing too much or is there some concerted effort on the part of the anti-Billios to 'use' children to advance their agendae? Recall that during the J Committee hearing, some of the Republicrat Reps used lettres from their (non-voting, under 18) constituents to illustrate the effect the Republicrats, Starr, the media, and others are having on (young) American life -- via Billio. This, in turn, is being exploited for deliterious effect on (presumably adult) politicians (e.g., Billio, Livingston, et al). What is most bind-moggling is the youngsters are presumed to have the ability to discern and evaluate and analyse and decide on issues for which their years haven't even provided a point of reference. To avoid the fact that Billio is *only* the most publicised "misleader" (yeah, yeah) creates an even greater skew. And aren't these 'family values' types supposedly against child misuse/abuse and exposing the young to corrupt influences? So, now, what do they do? They make a federal(!) case/issue out of it THEN pollute the airwaves with this ... this ... this ... ditty to ENSURE any remnant of decency and civility is removed from the kids' lives. The innocent question begged, "What did the President lie about?" Ah, the Conspiracy of Incredibility: EVERYONE gets a chance at misleading, deception, and losing credibility -- everything's beyond belief, leading to the Cult of Incredulity. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [CTRL] Radio campaign : Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 11:51 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : [IMPEACH]: NEW ANTI-CLINTON RADIO CAMPAIGN: : SINGER-SONGWRITER BEHIND "DEAR MR. PRESIDENT : by Gabrielle Stevenson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) : (www.worldnetdaily.com)1/6/99 : : You may soon hear the following ad on your local radio station: : "Dear Mr. President," says the voice of a little boy. " My mom's mad at : me. : It's called the "Dear Mr. President" campaign. The plan is to air : radio : advertisements in children's voices that address the moral shortcomings : of President Clinton. Vaus has asked for monetary donations for as : little : : as a dollar to help finance the cost of running the ads -- and through. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)]
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- My vote is for surrealism.which is the system we seem to be living under. And may explain my general state of contentment, in spite of what many might consider flaws and lacks in my current lifestyle. My giraffe is having a ball. Well, you may be living in the state of Contentment, but I seem to be in the statement of Confusion, which is next to Indignation and around the corner from Anxiety... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Let's hear it for the SHE-DEVILS!!
-Caveat Lector- Three cheers for the She-Devils!! Thank you, SnoOwl, for the posting! On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 4 Jan 99 , Jim wrote: Ask one of these mother's who have been left with the two, three, four, five, or six kids after the Dad goes elsewhere to play "house" --- about what kind of "liberation" the NOW she-devils have secured for HER. Jim Condit Jr. Well, now you're getting personal. But in fact, I did raise three kids as a single Mom--without child support or other help. Unfortunately, the committment to get those dads came just a little too late for me. However, I made the choice for my freedom--whatever the price--above serious abuse. And I am a pretty committed feminist. I'm all for Gloria, and Betty, and Hillary, and the Ladies from Seneca Falls. We're at least 50% of the population, if not more. We want a voice. And we want to be treated right. My daughters, BTW, all agree. It's not done yet, but it's moving in the right directio. We owe those NOW ladies a debt of gratitude, if not for what they've done, at least for opening up the forum and getting our voices heard. And I'm against impeachment, too!!! :)) sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- This has happened to quite a number of folks, including myself. I'm told that there are, in fact, self-executable files triggered by certain words either read, typed or displayed on your screen. If that destructive .exe program is resident, placed there w/out your knowledge, expect your PC to crash sporadially. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK -snip Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UFO Book From 20 Year Researcher
-Caveat Lector- I've read dozens of UFO (let me qualify the statement UFO; when I say UFO I'm referring to alien piloted machines, not the hundreds of thousands of mis- identifications/hoaxes/weather anomolies/government black projects etc) books in the last 15 years or so and would recommend very few of them. Linda Moulton Howe is one of the few researchers into this extremely perlpexing subject who has gained some credibility with me regarding her 20 or so years investigating cattle mutilations and other UFO/alien related material. I purchased her first volume in this series, "Glimpses of Other Realities Vol 1" and have been waiting for a very long time for the second, and seemingly more interesting, second volume to come out. I've orderd it form Amazon.com and will review it in the weeks ahead:check-out some other reviews below. Gavin. Glimpses of Other Realities : High Strangeness by Linda Moulton Howe Try express shopping with 1-ClickSM and Gift Click List Price: $27.95 Our Price: $22.36 You Save: $5.59 (20%) Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours. Paperback - 480 pages 1 Ed edition Vol 2 (March 1998) Paper Chase Pr; ISBN: 1879706784 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.20 x 10.92 x 8.49 Amazon.com Sales Rank: 7,193 Avg. Customer Review: Number of Reviews: 10 Write an online review and share your thoughts with other readers! Customers who bought this book also bought: Glimpses of Other Realities : Facts and Eyewitnesses; Linda Moulton Howe Alien Harvest : Further Evidence Linking Animal Mutilations and Human Abductions to Alien Life Forms; Linda Moulton Howe, Jacques Vallee (Designer) Reviews Amazon.com Recovered crash debris, information from alleged military insiders, and the transfer of human souls from body to body--this isn't the script for the next SF blockbuster, but the voluminous exposition of evidence for a mystery involving the entire human race. What Linda Howe calls a "hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor" started as a simple argument about where strange lights in the sky come from and has turned into a discussion of entities with enigmatic motives possessing the ability to control the human mind. Howe didn't write Glimpses of Other Realities for light entertainment (this book is annotated and appended better than most university textbooks), and anyone who doesn't take the idea of alien encounters seriously will be challenged by the depth of the book's coverage. However, readers passionate about UFO and alien contact phenomena will be rewarded with a profusion of evidence favoring the existence of an extraterrestrial race. Howe connects this evidence piece by piece, like an immense jigsaw puzzle, but by the end of the book, the pieces form only the picture of a keyhole through which to peer. With no box lid to reveal what the whole picture looks like, Howe will hopefully gather more pieces soon. --Brian Patterson Book Description : "Glimpses of Other Realities, Volume II: High Strangeness" is the second book in a two volume non-fiction study of government, military and civilian evidence that a non-human intelligence is interacting with earth. What started as environmental reporting on animal mutilations grew into a mission to uncover the truth behind the US Government's suppression of information on paranormal activity. This extensive in-depth report from journalist Linda Moulton Howe is the result of years of research through interviews and exploration into government cover-ups. This book is a rational report about government accounts of unexplained phenomenon. Howe's analysis is supported by her extensive research and documents including top secret government reports and correspondence, excerpts from military manuals, historical newspaper articles and interviews with eye-witnesses, including military personnel. About the Author Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University with a Masters Degree in Communication. She has devoted her documentary film, television and radio career to productions concerning science, medicine and the enviroment. Ms. Howe has received many local, national and international awards for her documentaries, including three regional Emmy's, a national Emmy nomination, medical producer participant in Boston's WCVB Station Excellence Peabody Award, Colorado's Florence Sabin Award for "outstanding contribution to public health," Aviation Space Writers Association Award for Writing Excellence in television, and a Chicago Film Festival Golden Plaque. Some of her honored films have included Fire In The Water about hydrogen as an alternative energy source to fossil fuels; A Radioactive Water about uranium contamination of public drinking water in a Denver suburb; and A Strange Harvest about the worldwide animal mutilation mystery. Which has haunted the United States and other countries since the late 1960s - and continues to date. In 1989, Ms. Howe was Director of International Programming for Earthbeat, an environmental series broadcast on Ted
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Information warfare's ethical implications, from AAAS/Rand
** Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:36:14 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SSIANG) Subject: Cyber War Article To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Declan, I am replacing Alex Fowler as Deputy Editor for the Professional Ethics Report, published by AAAS and thought your listserv readers might be interested in the cover article of the Fall 1998 issue, "The Legitimization of Strategic Information Warfare: Ethical Considerations" The article is co-authored by Roger Molander of RAND and me. The full report can be found at: http://www.aaas.org/spp/dspp/sfrl/per/per15.htm Thanks! Sanyin Siang The first few paragraphs are as follows: The development of the Internet and the Web has resulted in a global society dependent on information technology. As a consequence, there emerges profound problems of scientific ethics and international security that have been increasingly drawing the attention of international security experts, especially those concerned about the future of strategic warfare. Call it cyberwar or strategic information warfare (SIW). Many countries rely on information-based resources, including management systems and infrastructures involving the control of electric power, money flow, air traffic, and other information-dependent items. SIW occurs when one national seeks to obtain strategic leverage over another by severely disrupting or damage these systems by exploiting the tools of the Internet. Compared to other strategic forms of warfare such as nuclear war or the clash of massed armies, SIW possesses several distinct features. The entry cost is potentially much lower. There is difficulty in ascertaining perpetrator identity, thereby, enhancing opportunities for deceptive attackers. It also generates new tactical warning and attack assessment problems since there is currently no adequate means for distinguishing between SIW attacks and other kinds of cyberspace activities, including espionage or accidents. Furthermore, in the world of SIW, there is no frontline; the "battlegrounds" are everywhere, from the stock market to the natural gas pipelines. In short, the expanding global network and its rise as a new mode of communication, transcends physical space, thereby muddying the geographical boundaries and traditional distinctions between the public and the private, the criminal and the warlike, the civilian and the military. Lastly, SIW seems to possess the redeeming quality of being "much more humane" than other forms of strategic warfare since the only intended casualties would be the crippling of information flow, convenience, and comfort. An understanding and development of this technology can lead to great strides in attack capabilities. The question remains whether SIW should be legitimized as a new form of warfare. To explore this question, we will examine the ethical considerations in terms of offensive and defensive capabilities -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Louis Jolyon West: Maestro of Mind Control
-- Forwarded -- Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:58:21 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Louis Jolyon West: Maestro of Mind Control -- NOTE: Yesterday, we list-posted notice of the death of Louis Jolyon West. It has since come to our attention that some of the listees are not aware of West or the nature of his diabolical work. For those who do not understand the significance of West's activities and career, the following information is offered -- an article written prior to his demise. I might also mention in passing that many of West's earliest mind control experiments (those that dealt with the use of LSD on both animals and unwitting human subjects) were conducted here at the University of Oklahoma while he was on the faculty of the psychiatric department. Michele Co-Owner, Ignition-Point -- The maestro of "mind-control" continues to haunt America Articles in this edition describe some of the life-destroying effects of psychiatry's primary therapies - drugs and electric shock. The following presents one of their chief advocates - Louis Jolyon West, director of the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute until his resignation following exposure of possible violations of federal law regarding use of government funds. -- In a lawsuit currently before the Los Angeles Superior Court, it has come to light that the University of California at Los Angeles and UCLA Medical Center have, since the early 1980s, attempted to remove psychiatrist Louis Jolyon West from the roster of the university's faculty. One psychiatric colleague who asked to go unnamed described West as "supremely arrogant" and charged that he "misused his positions for his own ends," at the expense of the university. Many will not find such statements surprising, considering West himself, whose history includes controversial LSD experiments for the Central Intelligence Agency and even more controversial plans to construct secret installations for the "study" and modification - by electric shock, chemical castration and other means - of the behavior of citizens, particularly minorities. Indeed, any discussion of CIA "mind-control" endeavors, such as the infamous MK-Ultra, would be incomplete without West, who has, according to information provided to Freedom, enjoyed a long and lucrative career in this field. Although he has sometimes posed as a civil libertarian, he has not sought to expose dangers of intelligence agency "mind-control" techniques, but rather to secretly perfect its use on others. In a document released under the Freedom of Information Act, for example, it was revealed that more than four decades ago, the CIA sought to set West up in a clandestine laboratory to perform "mind-control" experiments with hypnosis and LSD. A portion of the experiments with LSD and other drugs in which West was enmeshed at the CIA's behest were exposed in the mid-1970s by the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, chaired by Senator Frank Church. West contributed to the early work which resulted in, among other things, the death of tennis pro Harold Blauer in an experiment with a mescaline derivative in New York City in 1953. The Senate Select Committee's investigation revealed drugging of unsuspecting targets, electric shocking to obliterate memory and "programming" individuals to kill - acting under psychiatric control. West's career highlights included injecting a 7,000-pound bull elephant, Tusko, with an overwhelming dose of LSD - roughly 1,435 times the quantity, in West's own words, one would have given to a human "to produce for several hours a marked mental disturbance." Not surprisingly, the elephant collapsed in agony minutes later and died. West had ingested the mind-altering substance himself shortly before killing Tusko, the prize of the Oklahoma City Zoo, and was evidently still under its influence at the time he sloshed through the beast's entrails, performing an "autopsy" which he recorded on film. He later issued a report to advance his "discovery" that elephants could be killed with LSD and to promote use of the drug to cull elephant herds in Africa. Prisons as Laboratories "Jolly" West moved on, changing his base of operations from Oklahoma to Los Angeles. In keeping with intelligence proposals to utilize prisons as experimental laboratories, he drafted a plan to use electric shock and drugs on state inmates in what was called "aversion therapy." In the 1960s, West could also be found in the Haight-Ashbury section of San Francisco, conducting more LSD experiments, this time within the hippie community. A pet project of West's in the late 1960s and early 1970s was the Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence. He proposed to establish a "securely fenced" center at a remote, abandoned Nike missile base in the Santa Monica Mountains, in keeping with earlier plans by the CIA to set up "mind-control" stations
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- Screw all the homeless!!! Personally, I would like to kick up dust in their collective faces as my Range Rover speeds me off to a ski vacation in Aspen! However, I would not want to sully the Gucci bags I have on the luggage rack with their cooties. During this cold month of January, I like to think about the homeless people of this country. I usually do it while sitting on the deck of my house in St. Thomas. Then I collapse into fits of laughter. What do you think they say as they're going to sleep? "Hey Joe, isn't this bed GRATE?" What does a homeless kid say to his parents when he turns 18? "Mom, Dad. I have to move out. This place has me BOXED IN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is America, land of opportunity! If they don't know how to work hard and get ahead, then I say they are criminals! They are violating the basic principles of capitalism. I say if you do not have at least $250,000 in the bank by the time you are 27 then you are lazy, shiftless and should be rounded up with the rest of the freeloaders and destroyed. LONG LIVE THE TOP 10%!! -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 12:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, it's still going on. There's a big fight going on re a half-way house in our area right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states leaving the Union...per se. In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise. Mr. Davis, what appears to be "logical" or "illogical" depends upon your point of view, the criteria one uses to frame a particular discussion. For example, if you were a white male southerner at the time who owned slaves, you would be interested in protecting your "property," and you would not be too enthusiastic about the Federal government's plan to free your slaves. However, for the sake of argument, I was the slave owner ...and you were MY slave. You might have a completely different perspective on the issue of what exactly IS property and what ISN'T. If I decided to take your children from you and sell them to my neighbor, you wouldn't be able to complain, because the law had defined you to be chattel. Or, perhaps,if I decided to enjoy the sexual favors of your wife. Again, you would have nothing to say in the matter because I would be the absolute lord and master over the Davis family. Your wife, your children, your lives would be held in my tender hands. Now, being a thinking and reasonable person, I just might make a reasonable assumption that YOU would object to this state of affairs. In fact, it might not be a legal or logical issue to you...it might be an emotional and intensely personal issue to you, would you agree? Of course, I could trot out my Holy Book and explain to your sorry ass that you are chattel...and I could explain the Constitution to your untutored ears.and explain the finer points of the noble English Common Law tradition It would not surprise me that you might be unimpressed with the wisdom of my philsophy. Perhaps, you might even be emotional about it. Regards, Wm On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers and as politicians to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States. They were bound by that oath not to work against the best interests of the nation. *** Yes, and they understood that the Constitution allowed states to seceed from the union. They had also taken an oath to their state govenments which governments preceeded the forming of the union. Lee, for instance, would have been working against the best interests of his country (Virginia) if he had taken command of the federal forces as had been offered. *** By taking up arms against their country, they were committing an act of treason.. Sorry if that offends some of you but that is a fact. Why should it offend me? I had no ancestor in the war except perhaps in the federal army. I have lived in the south for many years, but people still say I don't have an accent. I don't even like football. I just have studied the history and have tried to understand the situation at the time on the basis of law. I don't believe that you have. You are just argueing from an emotional basis and not on any basis of law. My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement with this position. It was Lincoln and others in the northern states who ignored their oathes to the Constitution. That is my opinion from studying the facts. If you have a rational arguement to disprove my opinion, I am open to being corrected, but what you have provided so far has not dealt with the issue in anything but a purely emotional manner. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
[CTRL] Tripp's Trap (A New One)
-Caveat Lector- What I wanna know is: Where's her co-conspirator Lucy Annie with that book deal (that started the whole thing)? I wonder if sent an I.O.U., would they remit the $$$ to be donated to a worthy cause. Her situation is like that of Billio: a victim of circumstances, created outside of her/his own control. And now the violins of sympathy are supposed to soothe away the stresses of the ordeal (and a few $$$). I mean, does Evel Kneivel solicit funds because he's in fear for his livelihood, safety, and good health? (Turn of the motorcycle, Evel -- problem solved!) ~ From Wash Post Tripp 'Urgently' Seeks Donations for Legal Defense Fund By George Lardner Jr. Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, January 8, 1999; Page A08 Linda R. Tripp needs money, "urgently." Although she now earns $90,767 a year in her Pentagon public affairs job, thanks to a recent "longevity" raise, she says there's just not enough left over to make a dent in her mounting legal bills. So in a 12-page fund-raising letter now arriving in selected mailboxes across the country, the Maryland woman whose secret tapes led to the impeachment of President Clinton is asking for help in fighting off the assaults of his "henchmen" and "disciples." "Their approach has always been to attack, discredit and destroy their opponents," Tripp says in the letter asking for contributions to Linda R. Tripp Legal Defense Fund. "Now they have me in their cross hairs and I feel like David up against Goliath." Her legal bills are already more than $325,000 and "growing every day," Tripp says. She was compelled to give a deposition in an anti-Clinton civil suit this week after her lawyers were rebuffed in an effort to block the appearance. She is one of the witnesses who might be called to testify at Clinton's impeachment trial in the Senate. She is under investigation by a Maryland grand jury for taping her conversations with Monica S. Lewinsky about sex in the White House. And she says, "I'm living in fear for my job and for the safety of my family and myself." One of the trustees of the defense fund, Bill Parris, a retired insurance executive who has never met Tripp and was enlisted by one of her lawyers, said the letters starting going out Dec. 31 and he hopes they will raise $60,000 to $80,000. About 20,000 are being sent out, by a direct-mail operation in Virginia whose name he said he couldn't recall. "I got a whole bunch of lawyers wanting money from me," Parris said this week. He joked, "After I take my wife to Bermuda, I might even have some left over for [them]." The fund-raising letter, Tripp's first, gives a first-person account of Tripp's predicament that associates said she reviewed and edited. It also appears to contradict some things she has said in the past. For instance, Tripp traces her troubles back to Nov. 29, 1993, when she said another White House aide, Kathleen E. Willey, "her lipstick smeared and her blouse untucked," came to see Tripp after an encounter in the Oval Office. "Ms. Willey then volunteered to me that President Clinton had just sexually assaulted her while they were alone in his office," Tripp says in the letter. In testimony before a federal grand jury last June 30, however, Tripp said the episode came after a series of flirtatious approaches on Willey's part and that "it just seemed to be as consenting adults." Willey, Tripp testified, "was very excited, very flustered" as she told Tripp what happened and "she smiled from ear to ear the entire time. She seemed almost shocked, but happy shocked." Tripp says in her letter that she knew her life would be changed forever when she decided last January to tell independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr of Lewinsky's affair with Clinton, but was not prepared "for the vicious personal onslaught" she has endured since then. She took particular issue with what she denounced as "a slanderous magazine article" based on details from her "illegally released" FBI background file "about a teenage prank which long ago found me in the wrong place at the wrong time." The article in the New Yorker by Jane Mayer reported that Tripp was arrested when she was 19 in a New York resort town after police said stolen goods were found in her possession; the charge was later reduced to loitering. The New Yorker said Tripp answered no when asked in 1987 on a Defense Department security form whether she had ever been "arrested . . . . regardless of whether the citation was dropped or dismissed or you were found not guilty." Tripp says in her letter that she was "completely exonerated" after the incident "and the Pentagon knew it and the author of the magazine article knew it, but the story was published anyway." Asked about Tripp's remarks, New Yorker editor David Remnick said: "The story is far from slanderous. It is accurate. We stand by it." Tripp, who works from her Columbia home, says she has been forced to do so because the Pentagon "has forbidden me from
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- Ditto, or, ruff-ruff. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- Kick up dust in my face with your status symbol and I'll have your ass. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] On Criticizing Technology: David Noble
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:58:39 -0500 From: Robert Weissman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list CORP-FOCUS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: "Progress" Without People MIT Professor Noam Chomsky makes the point that if you serve power, power rewards you with respectability. If you work to undermine power, whether by political analysis or moral critique, you are "reviled, imprisoned, driven into the desert." "It's as close to a historical truism as you can find," Chomsky says. Let's test Chomsky's theory of power and respectability with the case of David Noble. Noble is a historian of corporate control over our lives and institutions -- from technology to universities. Forces of Production (Knopf, 1984), for example, is a detailed history of the automation of the metalworking industry. In that book, Noble shows how technology, in its design and deployment, reflects class and power relations between workers and owners. Noble started out his academic career in 1978 at MIT. His first book, America by Design (Knopf, 1977), focused on the rise of the science-based industries, the electrical and chemical industry, and how universities essentially became corporate research centers for these new industries. Noble believed that corporations should be kept off of university campuses. In the late 1970s, he wrote a series of articles for the Nation magazine, including two classics, "Ivory Tower Goes Plastic" and "Business Goes Back to College." Then in the early 1980s, Noble wrote a series of articles in praise of Luddism for the now defunct journal Democracy. (That series has since been pulled together in book form (Progress Without People, Between the Lines Press, Toronto, 1995). In addition, while at MIT, he teamed up with Ralph Nader and Al Meyerhoff and started an organization called the National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest. MIT, a model of education in the corporate interest, was not pleased. In 1983, MIT fired Noble. "It was a political firing," Noble told us. "I sued MIT in 1986." After five years of litigation, Noble forced MIT to make public the documents shedding light on the firing. "I got all of the documents and turned them over to the American Historical Association, which then reviewed them for a year and then condemned MIT for the firing," Noble said. Next stop: Smithsonian Institution. The Smithsonian wanted Noble to be a curator for an exhibit on automated technology. Noble went to Washington for two years and produced an exhibit highly critical of technology. He includes a hammer used by the Luddites in the 1800s to smash machines in England. George Lucas donates robots R2D2 and C3PO from the first Star Wars movie. Noble calls the exhibit "Automation Madness: Boys and Their Toys," in which he documents a history of resistance to automation beginning in the 1800s. Not what the Smithsonian had in mind. They too fired Noble. Most people think that the Smithsonian is a public institution. It started out that way, but has slowly been taken over by big corporate interests. When Noble arrived at the Smithsonian in 1983, he figured he would have a budget to work on projects. No such luck. "What I had to do was go out and hustle -- to the National Association of Manufacturers, to the Chamber of Commerce, to various companies, to get money to put on exhibits," Noble said. "At that time, the fundraiser for the National Museum of American History was the wife of the president of the National Association of Manufacturers." Noble then spent five years at Drexel -- protected with tenure -- and then headed North to the University of York at Toronto, where he is also protected by tenure. Noble doesn't use e-mail or the Internet, but last year after The Nation magazine turned down an article he wrote called "Digital Diploma Mills," he published it and two subsequent pieces on the Internet communication.ucsd.edu/dl. The articles describe how corporations are using digital technologies to gain control over university course content. He believes that the Internet can be a useful way to disseminate information, but not to teach students. "You can't educate over the Internet, because education is an interpersonal process," he says. And he laughs when asked whether the Internet will level the playing field between activists and their corporate adversaries. "Have you noticed that -- any leveling the playing field?" he asked incredulously "Wake me when it is over. It is a joke." "The key thing about organizing is trust," he says. "You have to have relations with people, especially if you are asking people to put themselves on the line in any way. There is no real way of establishing that over the Internet." Whether Noble continues to get into trouble with the masters
[CTRL] Ramsey Clark letter to Security Council (fwd)
Ramsey Clark letter to Security Council The following letter was sent from Ramsey Clark to the five new members of the United Nations Security Council--The Netherlands (the chair of the Sanctions Committee), Argentina, Canada, Malaysia, and Namibia. Along with the five permanent members who have the veto--U.S., UK, China, France, and Russia--there are ten non-permanent members who sit on the council for two years. International Action Center 1247 'E' Street SE, Washington, DC 20003 Phone: 202-544-5752 Fax: 202-544-9359 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 39 West 14th St., #206 New York, NY 10011 212-633-6646 fax: 212-633-2889 http://www.iacenter.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] January 5, 1999 Dear Ambassador, You and your government take seats on the Security Council at a critical time. The next two years will determine whether tens of thousands of people in Iraq live, or die, and millions sustain painful, crippling permanent injuries from further malnutrition and sickness which could have been avoided altogether, or quickly cured if medicines and clean water had not been denied by Security Council sanctions. The independence and sovereignty of every nation and the integrity and viability of the United Nations depends on Security Council action now to end these sanctions, acknowledge their harm and prohibit future imposition of sanctions designed to kill, injure and degrade an entire population. Your action in this moment of moral crisis will be judged in history. =20 These facts are undeniable: 1. Since August 6, 1990, the forty-fifth anniversary of the incineration of Hiroshima by an atomic blast, Security Council sanctions have killed more than a million and a half people in Iraq, mostly infants, children, elderly and chronically ill and left millions more stunted, with crippled bodies, shortened lives, and minds scarred by the realization that rich nations forced this devastating impoverishment and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment on their entire people. 2. The Security Council sanctions against Iraq are a genocidal act. The sanctions were imposed with the "intent to destroy in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such." They have caused "serious bodily and mental harm" and inflicted "conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction" of the people of Iraq. (Article II, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 78 U.N.T.S. 277.) 3. No fear or hatred of Saddam Hussein, and no threat to peace or life that the present government of Iraq might pose can justify the imposition or continuation of these sanctions. No failure to comply with a Security Council resolution can justify the imposition of genocidal sanctions against the people within a nation or criminal military assaults against a defenseless population. The Security Council must find morally acceptable means for the prevention of war and international violence. It must meet the highest standards for international conduct, not the most deadly and violent. Other nations have defied Security Council resolutions for decades, developing and stockpiling weapons of mass destruction including nuclear bombs all the while, without any Security Council penalty. 4. The Security Council has been coerced, deceived, misled and manipulated for eight years by the United States to cause it to maintain economic sanctions against Iraq as a justification for the United States military domination in the region through the presence of the largest naval armada since World War II in order to control the natural resources located there and the economies of the nations worldwide who are dependent on them. The poor and powerless of the world and the future viability of the United Nations depend on you to act now to end the sanctions against Iraq. Dante found the hottest places in the Inferno were reserved for those who in time of moral crisis did nothing. History will long celebrate courageous action by you to end these sanctions in this moment of maximum peril. I am enclosing a copy of Challenge To Genocide, the latest in a=20 series of six books by the International Action Center documenting=20 the criminal military assaults on Iraq by the United States with the approval or acquiescence of the U.N. and the genocidal eight years of sanctions. Enclosed is an article by Stephen Kinzer in Sunday's New York Times attesting again to the fact that informed people everywhere know the U.N. sanctions are a crime against humanity. With deep love for your people, hope for their government and a passionate desire to see the United Nations fulfill its mandate, end the scourge of war, prohibit economic sanctions which impoverish a people and establish peace for all. Sincerely, Ramsey Clark
[CTRL] Coo-Cou-Coup
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America : Clinton Impeachment Senate impeachment trial opens: political coup enters climactic stage By the Editorial Board 8 January, 1999 The opening of the Senate impeachment trial will be remembered in history as a critical milestone in the political degeneration and breakdown of the institutions of American democracy. Despite overwhelming popular opposition, a political coup d'etat--organized by a cabal of neo-fascist conspirators and the far-right groups that control the Republican Party--is on the verge of victory. The profoundly reactionary implications of what is taking place in Washington found expression in the ceremony with which the impeachment spectacle began. Senator Strom Thurmond, who more than a half-century ago ran for president as the candidate of the racist States' Rights Party, swore in William Rehnquist, the extreme right-wing Supreme Court justice who has played a critical role in facilitating the conspiracy to overturn the Clinton administration. The proceedings expose the extent to which the basic foundations of bourgeois democracy have been eroded in the United States. A determined group of conspirators has been able to leverage what was, at least on the surface, a purely personal episode in Clinton's life into an unprecedented political campaign to overturn the results of two elections. Such a development is only possible in a country where the overwhelming majority of the population--that is, the working people--is, for all intents and purposes, excluded from the political process. Despite the mid-term elections, which showed mass opposition to the Republican impeachment drive, and the opinion polls which have since registered even greater popular anger, neither the Democratic Party leaders nor Clinton have appealed to the American people for support against the political conspiracy. Instead, all of the efforts of the White House and the Congressional Democrats have been concentrated on finding some resolution to the crisis that would leave in the dark the machinations of neo-fascist forces that underlie the impeachment campaign. On this basis, every calculation made by the White House has proven to be wrong. First Clinton decided to approach the Paula Jones provocation and its offspring, the Lewinsky scandal, as purely legal matters. This enabled his enemies to maneuver him into a series of legal traps. Then he adopted a sickening posture of contrition, which only emboldened Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr and the Congressional Republicans. Now that impeachment has reached the stage of a Senate trial, the Democrats are desperately seeking to head off the calling of witnesses. To millions of people observing these events, this position must seem utterly baffling. It is obvious that calling their own witnesses and cross-examining those called by the House prosecutors would provide an ideal opportunity for the Democrats to expose the conspiracy against the White House. There are a host of individuals who could be grilled under oath to uncover the connections between Starr and the Paula Jones lawyers, and the ties of both to right-wing millionaires and racist elements in Arkansas and elsewhere. This option, however, has been rejected out of hand. Instead the floor of the Senate on Thursday was a florid display of bipartisan solemnity, as though some noble democratic process was under way. Less than three weeks ago, when the House voted articles of impeachment, a number of Democrats took the floor to denounce the Republicans for carrying out a political coup and issue warnings about the wrath of the people. Now all such talk has been dropped, just as Hillary Clinton's one-time reference to a "vast right-wing conspiracy" nearly a year ago was quickly forgotten. This attempt to maintain the pretence that the impeachment trial is a legitimate constitutional process constitutes a criminal fraud against the American people. The Democrats know very well that the trial is the product of a right-wing conspiracy involving fascistic elements, and that such elements exercise enormous influence within the Republican Party. Some of the plotters are well known: Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Paula Jones, Kenneth Starr. But behind them stand a network of organizations and individuals that comprise the most degraded and reactionary political elements in American society: racists, anti-Semites and the most hardened enemies of the working class. It is a fact of political life in the US that people like Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition, Gary Bauer of the Family Research Council and James Dobson of Focus on the Family call the shots in the Republican Party. It has recently emerged, though it has been largely buried by the mass media, that Republican House Judiciary Committee member Bob Barr and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott spoke at meetings of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white supremacist
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states leaving the Union...per se. In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise. Mr. Davis, what appears to be "logical" or "illogical" depends upon your point of view, the criteria one uses to frame a particular discussion. For example, if you were a white male southerner at the time who owned slaves, you would be interested in protecting your "property," and you would not be too enthusiastic about the Federal government's plan to free your slaves. However, for the sake of argument, I was the slave owner ...and you were MY slave. You might have a completely different perspective on the issue of what exactly IS property and what ISN'T. If I decided to take your children from you and sell them to my neighbor, you wouldn't be able to complain, because the law had defined you to be chattel. Or, perhaps,if I decided to enjoy the sexual favors of your wife. Again, you would have nothing to say in the matter because I would be the absolute lord and master over the Davis family. Your wife, your children, your lives would be held in my tender hands. Now, being a thinking and reasonable person, I just might make a reasonable assumption that YOU would object to this state of affairs. In fact, it might not be a legal or logical issue to you...it might be an emotional and intensely personal issue to you, would you agree? Of course, I could trot out my Holy Book and explain to your sorry ass that you are chattel...and I could explain the Constitution to your untutored ears.and explain the finer points of the noble English Common Law tradition It would not surprise me that you might be unimpressed with the wisdom of my philsophy. Perhaps, you might even be emotional about it. Regards, Wm On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers and as politicians to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States. They were bound by that oath not to work against the best interests of the nation. *** Yes, and they understood that the Constitution allowed states to seceed from the union. They had also taken an oath to their state govenments which governments preceeded the forming of the union. Lee, for instance, would have been working against the best interests of his country (Virginia) if he had taken command of the federal forces as had been offered. *** By taking up arms against their country, they were committing an act of treason.. Sorry if that offends some of you but that is a fact. Why should it offend me? I had no ancestor in the war except perhaps in the federal army. I have lived in the south for many years, but people still say I don't have an accent. I don't even like football. I just have studied the history and have tried to understand the situation at the time on the basis of law. I don't believe that you have. You are just argueing from an emotional basis and not on any basis of law. My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement with this position. It was Lincoln and others in the northern states who ignored their oathes to the Constitution. That is my opinion from studying the facts. If you have a rational arguement to disprove my opinion, I am open to being corrected, but what you have provided so far has not dealt with the issue in anything but a purely emotional manner. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- Well Agent, I don't know what that says about you that you want my ass at all! Is that a rough trade game you like to play? Why don't you just sit in the gutter with the rest of the castoffs and stop making idle threats? -- From: Agent Smiley[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness -Caveat Lector- Kick up dust in my face with your status symbol and I'll have your ass. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- At 01:44 PM 1/8/99 -0600, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William Hugh, although I often disagree with your views, I respect your scholarship, civility, lack of insecurity, and tolerance. Your ability to engage in a lively exchange without resorting to the arrogant, ill-mannered and unlearned tactics of the core group that is allowed to control this list is refreshing. You are a gentleman. I agree that Hawk should be allowed to stay, as should anyone else who is inclined. It really shouldn't matter if some persons find any number of posts offensive - isn't that "diversity"? Theory is obviously more palatable than the real deal for some persons. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Ready For Pope Potato Chips?]
-Caveat Lector- "Brown, Jeremy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Personally, I want to see Pope toilet paper. The motto could be "The Church is Always on Your Ass!" -- From: Robert Tatman[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Ready For Pope Potato Chips? snipped for space I'm waiting for Popesicles and Diet Pope... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- You are not authorized to send mail to the CTRL list from your [EMAIL PROTECTED] account. You might be authorized to send to the list from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program which generates slightly different addresses, but LISTSERV has no way to associate this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you have any question regarding the policy of the CTRL list, please contact the list owners: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rejected message (39 lines) -- Received: from felix.vcn.bc.ca (felix.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05221; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:02:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by felix.vcn.bc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14067 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA17162; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA17150; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from felix.vcn.bc.ca by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA22644; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:43:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (kabirf@localhost) by felix.vcn.bc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09047 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:38:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:38:37 -0800 (PST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: lost password/login ID-jab88 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List The above has forgotten his password.He changed his old password skin88 to new password jayskin. He states that he cannot login.His name is Mark Powell and phone no.682-3269 ext 8626.Can you help him? Thanks - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rejected posting to CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
-Caveat Lector- You are not authorized to send mail to the CTRL list from your [EMAIL PROTECTED] account. You might be authorized to send to the list from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program which generates slightly different addresses, but LISTSERV has no way to associate this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you have any question regarding the policy of the CTRL list, please contact the list owners: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rejected message (51 lines) -- Received: from felix.vcn.bc.ca (felix.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05435; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by felix.vcn.bc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13508 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA16704; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA16693; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:55 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from felix.vcn.bc.ca by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA21853; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (fwpoley@localhost) by felix.vcn.bc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08927 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) To: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Victory City Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List For Future-Cities list. See http://www.victorycities.com. Seems to be one of the city-in-one-building designs like the Ziggurats of Keesy and Shimizu or Bini's Tower City which would be built on shallow coastal seas. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:24:26 -0500 From: Orville Simpson 11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: W Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Victory City I received your E mail of Dec. l8, l998 but there was no message. Could this have been lost in transmission somehow? Please try again, as I will be interested in hearing from you. Orville Simpson - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- At 01:44 PM 1/8/99 -0600, Hugh wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William Hugh, although I often disagree with your views, I respect your scholarship, civility, lack of insecurity, and tolerance. Your ability to engage in a lively exchange without resorting to the arrogant, ill-mannered and unlearned tactics of the core group that is allowed to control this list is refreshing. You are a gentleman. I agree that Hawk should be allowed to stay, as should anyone else who is inclined. It really shouldn't matter if some persons find any number of posts offensive - isn't that "diversity"? Theory is obviously more palatable than the real deal for some persons. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 1:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement with this position. It was Lincoln and others in the northern states who ignored their oathes to the Constitution. Suppose that you are quite correct in saying that Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. etc. were strictly legal. What you are missing is that more is involved with every man's actions than legality, or for that matter, profit. These men in high leadership positions knew this. What motivated them. They did not perform an act merely because it was legal, i.e. they did not act arbitrarily. They joined in the Confederacy because it stood for their way of seeing, their way of living. That way was based upon slavery. The Southern leadership could not stay in the Union without accepting a gradual change over in the dirty little condition that made their way possible. The North was not going to accept additional slave states and the opposition to slavery was growing. It was much like those doors in Deuteronomy, one leads to life and one leads to death. The strange thing is that the doors are very well marked. No mistake is possible. Many white people in the South chose life but most of the leaders chose death. To be sure, choosing life is emotional; that's because our deepest values are emotional issues with us. The sin of keeping people enslaved is emotional. The slavers may taunt those who vote for freedom as being emotional but those who would even defend slavery, much less practice it, are also being emotional. Part of their dysfunction is that they must pretend to a strange machismo of the psyche. Incidentally, in an earlier posting someone referred to the reluctance of some of the ex-slaves to their new situation and even persistent opinion that the old slave times were preferable. It was sort of like the Israelis coming out of the land of fleshpots. Some weren't so sure. Many of the slaves of Dixie were dismissed from the plantations at war's end because it simply was not profitable for the planters to keep them on. These, now vagabonds, newly freed illiterate blacks lined the roads in their trek north to find work. They had only the clothes on their backs (few received 40 and a mule). Some died on the way but others made it to partly fuel the latter part of the industrialization of America. Most freed slaves far preferred their freedom but a few never obtained a decent life and actually remembered their slavery as a better time. Even with the night patrols, the removal of thumbs for the crime of learning to read, the forbiddance of prayer, and the merciless beatings when they took a bit of extra nourishment, the commonplace forcible sex by massah and supervisors of the slave women and, if these times are any guide, of boys and girls as well, the fleshpots glowed in their remembrance. Think of the filthy crimes committed today for those fleshpots, the dismemberment of companies along with massive disruption in lives, the unnecessary wars in Vietnam, Panama, the Gulf, Grenada, Somalia. Freedom came in second when we overthrew democracies in Iran, Guatemala, Chile and installed criminal governments. Man, how do we free ourselves of this sort of blindness? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] External Forces
-Caveat Lector- Hello Richard, Suggest you purchase top of the line anti-virus program now before the higher functions of your system come crashing down as well. I have a moderately well designed system but I will be installing the best anti-virus system I can afford. Too much at stake to lose my hard drive at this juncture ! Ask some of the "computer kids" out here what they would suggest. I may listen in myself. Good luckharry -- From: Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] External Forces Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:27 AM -Caveat Lector- I was hoping someone was going to bring this up. I have had MAJOR technical errors when passing and recieving information, particularly regarding Mind Control or Government conspiracies. I also accessed a CIA affiliated site and was infected with a serious virus. Can anyone deny or confirm if this is intentional and how it happens MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today I have emailed a friend of mine details on Mind Control and Remote Viewing. Since I did this my Laptop has crashed 3 times, and my e-mail is working only sporadically. Has anyone else had any similar experiences after posting Conspiracy Theory related items, or is a just a technical glitch/coincidence?? MARK DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA121 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:58:58 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 9:11:01 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21132208 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13191 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17470 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:10:42 - Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: from unknown (HELO SERVERA.ZIPPACK.CO.UK) (195.166.136.140) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 14:05:19 - Received: by SERVERA with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id CQG310AW; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:41 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: 8177A6A8FD17D21182BE0080C8470DA7011342@SERVERA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:09:38 - Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] External Forces To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives
[CTRL] Stampeding Bison
Wasn't Lincoln killed after he took out the Constitution so that he would not put it back, considering that it has never been put back. What if people could say that a Constitutional Government doesn't work? Laura AKA The Pied Piper http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store.(anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com Get links to over 30 sites on aspartameVISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs CasesVISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business!
Re: [CTRL] Hawk and Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Wait a second here !! I just got on, and I am hearing that people are thrown off this list for discussing things, and one person is accused of being another !! I am wondering if I made a mistake here, or if I say something you don't like are you going to throw me off... and no, I am not William, nor Hawk...I am who I say I am. just in case I get accused of that, because I replied. Carlene M. Wojahn "L. Shipton" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Considering that you were the one who (helped) lead him on - since he gave you a sounding board for your own ideas, this is generous of you William Hugh Tunstall. I personally think that ''MAYBE" Hawk should be let back on, with a stern warning, and that you should be taken off. That is, if Hawk isn't simply some other name that you use? In that case maybe we would be better off without Hawk or William. Laura AKA The Pied Piper -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Jan 99 , YnrChyldzWyld wrote: And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, but that happened circa 1980, not 1988... It's still happening. Recently, on the Upper West Side of NYC--the project did finally go through and is, I think, operating successfully. And up here in N. Bennington, VT--where I'm not quite sure of the outcome. Great deal of divisiveness and contention about having "those people" in the neighborhood. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Coo-Cou-Coup
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff forwarded: Senate impeachment trial opens: political coup enters climactic stage By the Editorial Board 8 January, 1999 The opening of the Senate impeachment trial will be remembered in history as a critical milestone in the political degeneration and breakdown of the institutions of American democracy. Despite overwhelming popular opposition, a political coup d'etat--organized by a cabal of neo-fascist conspirators and the far-right groups that control the Republican Party--is on the verge of victory. MJ: A. America is NOT a democracy. B. If a majority of the people want to subvert justice today, should we not enforce what a majority of the people 'wanted' (or rather did NOT want) in the last two (2) presidential elections -- a MAJORITY of the people voted AGAINST Bill Clinton. C. coup d'état (dâ-tä´) noun The sudden overthrow of a government by a usually small group of persons in or previously in positions of authority. Since AlGore will be sworn-in if Mr. Clinton is removed or resigns this emotive is nonsense. D. Since when did we decide whether or not an American is guilty/innocent AND establish punishment/non-punishment by poll? Regard$, --MJ A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Tunnels - GREAT URL
Hey all, Pat sent this URL to underground tunnels. It has where and a description of them. It's really interesting!!! http://www.usbr.gov/wcg/tunnels/tdata.html#Colorado Hilary
[CTRL] 50,000+ White House e-mails discovered
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.insightmag.com/articles/newsalert.html Honey Pot of Info Causes a Swarm - By Paul M. Rodriguez - Insight Magazine Vol. 15, No. 2 - January 11-18, 1999 The White House has launched an investigation and rumors are flying at the president's compound following an exclusive report in news alert! ("Looking for Information in All the Wrong Places," and "Computer Glitch Leads to Trove of 'Lost' E-Mails at White House," Dec. 28) exposing the existence of detailed telephone records never turned over under subpoena and discovery of "lost" e-mails that include private chit-chats between Monica Lewinsky and friends. Justice Department and congressional investigators now are working quietly, as one federal law-enforcement source tells news alert!, and "rapidly before the files disappear," to track down the records long sought by investigators. White House insiders and government lawyers familiar with the flurry of activity say that beepers and phones have been buzzing to determine who spilled the beans and to get control of the records before federal agents swarm in. "They're in a panic over this," a West Wing source tells news alert! Although a White House spokesman sought to minimize the importance of Insight's disclosure of the e-mails, of which there are between 50,000 and 100,000, by claiming some involving Lewinsky appear to have been duplicates, another White House aide confirms that nobody knows for sure how many others are originals that should have been turned over to investigators upon discovery in midsummer 1998. "It's a legal headache," a White House lawyer says. The telephone records are a completely different matter. "We were told they did not exist," one federal law-enforcement source says. "If we can find them they will prove to be invaluable." Indeed, the details of these records, which go back years, would show who was called and when, by dates and times -- information that, to date, federal and congressional investigators have failed to secure. Curiously, Justice Department officials do not appear eager to secure the records, according to several federal law-enforcement sources. "It's as though they don't care you've discovered this gold mine." With Attorney General Janet Reno dousing an FBI-led task force probing campaign-finance wrongdoings, some agents and prosecutors believe they would not get support to force the White House to turn over the gold mine of records uncovered by news alert!. "I must confess I don't understand why nobody's acted on your tip," a dejected federal law-enforcement source says. Some folks at FBI headquarters are wondering the same thing. Stay tuned. Copyright © 1999 News World Communications, Inc. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Trojan horse steals AOL passwords, URLs
-Caveat Lector- Trojan horse steals AOL passwords, URLs By Paul Festa, January 7, 1999 Staff Writer, CNET News.com A new email attachment making its way around the spam circuit is swiping recipients' user names and passwords and sending them to a Chinese email address. Full story: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C30653%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.ts3.0107 story #2 of 4: from: http://www.msnbc.com/news/229572.asp Picture.exe really a Trojan horse E-mail attachment, if opened, tries to send private information to an e-mail address originating in China -- By Bob Sullivan, MSNBC Jan. 6 -- Here's a computer virus story that's not an urban legend. If you receive an attachment in e-mail called "picture.exe," don't open it. If you do, what happens next reads a bit like a spy novel -- this Trojan horse drops two more programs called note.exe and manager.exe which will search through your internet cache directory and, if you have one, the directory that holds your America Online username and password. It then encrypts that information, tries to establish an Internet connection, and sends it all to an e-mail address in China. PICTURE.EXE FIRST SURFACED right before Christmas, when some Net users were spammed with e-mail with the subject line "batty." Several postings to Usenet virus groups followed; then Network Associates engineeers received several e-mail alerts to what appeared to be technically not a virus but a Trojan horse. (A Trojan horse does not replicate on its own, but a virus does.) Network Associates has since updated its McAfee virus program to detect picture.exe (If you already have the software, an updated version can be downloaded from http://beta.nai.com/public/datafiles/3xupdates.htm ), but many questions remain about the prying program. "This is a more interesting Trojan than normal," said Vincent Gullotto, manager of the antivirus emergency response team for Network Associates. "It actually has the capability to take information and send it someplace. This one goes further than most and if it's successful can use the information against you." Network Associates received an unusually large number of e-mails from victims of picture.exe, and there are already dozens of Usenet posts with security experts warning about the danger. Here's how it works: Once a recipient opens picture.exe, that file expands into two other executables -- note.exe and manager.exe -- and places them into the Windows subdirectory. The following line is also added to the win.ini file: "run=note.exe." That makes note.exe run the next time Windows is started. According to Network Associates, note.exe then gathers information, apparently looking through the temporary Internet cache directory in an attempt to determine what Web sites users have visited. It then encrypts that information into a DAT file. It also appear to look in the directory where AOL user information is stored. Note.exe then builds a second DAT file. "It's unclear right now what the second DAT file is for," Gulotto said. Usenet poster David Crick, a British computer science student who received the e-mail Dec. 23 and started the Usenet discussions, said, "I thought when I started downloading a very large e-mail: `Either someone's sent me an interesting piece of software, or it's a virus.' It turned out to be a combination of the two -- an interesting virus," he said. Crick says the file employs a crude encryption technique, a 5-digit ASCII character shift -- where a=f, b=g, and so on. Other Usenet posters say the DAT file is full of e-mail addresses. After note.exe does its thing, manager.exe runs, attempting to e-mail the encrypted file to a e-mail addresses with the domain of a Chinese ISP. The recipient, of course, could be anywhere. "It appears to try to gain access to an ISP," Gulloto said. Several Usenet posts say that upon reboot, the Trojan horse opens up dial-up networking and tries to dial out of the infected PC. There are many unanswered questions -- chief among them, why China? Gulotto said last year his firm worked on a similar Trojan horse/virus with the same M/O. Called SemiSoft, it also gathers information and tries to send it to an e-mail address hosted in China. Network Associates is continuing to study picture.exe. America Online was not available for comment. story #3 of 4: Hole lets sites control your computer Security firm demonstrates active content hack --- By Bob Sullivan MSNBC -- Jan. 5 -- There's another reason to be careful where you click. Computer security firm Finjan Inc. demonstrated Tuesday morning another process that allows Web sites to reach
[CTRL] Hillary's divorce plans
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Jan1999/clintondivorcejan7.htm It's over! First Lady tells friends, Clinton she will divorce him By Daniel J. Harris White House Correspondent First Lady Hillary Clinton has told her closest friends that her marriage is over and that she will divorce her husband, sources confirm to Capitol Hill Blue. Termination of her marriage will most likely occur after Clinton's second term as President ends on January 20, 2001, but could come even sooner if Mrs. Clinton decides to seek the New York U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan. "It's over," one close friend of the First Lady said Wednesday. "The only question is when." In New York state, a poll being conducted to test Mrs. Clinton's electability to the Senate includes questions about whether voters would be more or less likely to vote for her if she was no longer married. Three residents of New York confirmed Wednesday night that they were called by pollsters who asked if Mrs. Clinton's marital status would affect their vote. The three, who asked that their names not be used, initially contacted Capitol Hill Blue to reveal the the contents of the questions. As the Senate prepares to open a trial on Clinton's impeachment, White House insiders report that tensions between the President and First Lady are at an "all-time high," with frequent arguments, shouting matches and at least one fight where Secret Service agents had to pull an angry Hillary Clinton off her husband, leaving her husband with a bruise on his face that required extensive makeup to mask (that fight has been reported previously in English tabloids and on the Drudge Report internet site). Sources said Mrs. Clinton told both the President and daughter Chelsea before Christmas that their marriage was over and that she would divorce him, but she agreed to continue the public show of support at least until the impeachment process currently before the Senate is concluded. "She won't abandon him publicly while he is still on trial, but anything is possible once the Senate finishes its work," one source close to the First Lady said. New York Democratic officials are urging Mrs. Clinton to seriously consider a run for Moynihan's seat. New York Mayor Rudolph Guiliani is considering a run from the Republican ticket. "I think she would be a terrific candidate," says Democratic Senator Robert J. Torricelli. "She should run." Moynihan's seat has a history of carpetbagger occupancy. It was once held by former US Attorney General Robert Kennedy, a Massachusetts native who established residency in New York state to run for the seat Calls for comment to both the White House press office and the First Lady's press office were not returned Wednesday night. Capitol Hill Blue is published daily on the web. Some material is ©The Associated Press and © Reuters NewMedia. ~~ story #2: from: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/pl/ story.html?s=v/nm/19990107/pl/hillary_2.html Yahoo! News - Politics Headlines Thursday January 7 12:37 AM ET Mrs. Clinton's Friends Doubt She Will Seek Office By Laurence McQuillan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Aides and close friends of first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton Wednesday dismissed speculation she will seek political office, suggesting instead she will seek an international stage to champion her causes. There has been increasing speculation in recent weeks that Mrs. Clinton, found to be the most admired woman in America by a year-end Gallup Poll, will run for political office. Her name has been raised by some as a possible U.S. Senate candidate, with the lead editorial in The New York Times Tuesday asking "Senator Rodham?" -- a reference to speculation she would seek the Senate seat being vacated by veteran Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan in 2000. There also have been published reports Mrs. Clinton is interested in running for the Senate from California, Massachusetts or Illinois. Her name even has been mentioned in making a run for the White House or as vice president in 2000. "The only thing I want to say is that she has no plans to run" for elective office, said Marsha Berry, the first lady's press secretary, who has been flooded with queries. "That's really the truth of the matter." In private, those close to Mrs. Clinton went out of their way to try to dampen the speculation -- with several stressing she was far more likely to seek a forum that would let her continue to champion the causes of women and children on the international stage. "Personally, I can't imagine that she would run for anything," said a senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton. "Right now a lot of people are speculating about endless possibilities." The New York speculation was fueled by the first lady's successful campaigning for Democrat
[CTRL] Hillary's divorce plans
Considering that she was one of the lawyers around when Nixon's Waterloo (opps Watergate) happened. And then you add the fact of the Savings in Loan scandal as well as many others she has been in. These lead me to say that in many ways she is as dirty if not dirtier than the Bill Clinton. The sex scandals - because they hope that if they can keep the American people focused on some thing like that, that the white collar crime that the Clinton's have been involved in Together can be sweep under the rug. Also while I am venting - wonder what might happen if they did have witnesses and managed to take this farther than just the sex? Could be Hillary will be right beside that male jerk. People have been defining Capitalism. What you should be defining is opportunist. Has anyone heard of the Novel Rich, it means no manners and people like that were ostracized by the Gentry. Respect Hillary, she is lower than the lowest scum. And that is an insult to the scum! Laura AKA The Pied Piper http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store.(anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com Get links to over 30 sites on aspartameVISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs CasesVISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business!
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: FROM THE DIXIEDAYS-L MAILING LIST. Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement with this position. It was Lincoln and others in the northern states who ignored their oathes to the Constitution. That is my understanding as well, I have been doing a lot of research concerning this and I have some questions Why did states like Maine, New York, even Wisconsin, think they had the right to secede ? Virginia was one state ..yet part of that state broke away and became another, how can this happen if secession is not constitutional ? Why did the Southron states have to reapply for admission into statehood ? When the 14th amendment was being voted on ...how come they found out for a brief period they were non-states and could not vote on it ? Just a few questions What motivated them. They did not perform an act merely because it was legal, i.e. they did not act arbitrarily. --No it wasn't illegal, there was talk about the northern states doing..seceding as well. They joined in the Confederacy because it stood for their way of seeing, their way of living. That way was based upon slavery. The Southern leadership could not stay in the Union without accepting a gradual change over in the dirty little condition that made their way possible. No it was more based on states rights, slavery would of disappeared on its on with the westward movement..so the last sentence above is incorrect. The North was not going to accept additional slave states and the opposition to slavery was growing. -But who had sold the slaves to the South ? Carlene M. Wojahn Yep...that is still my name..I am still no one else. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 2:37:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' Well, well, well, is that so? Sounds like you have been listening to William Cooper, but you should be aware of some REAL "facts" before you put your foot in your mouth further. The man driving the Limo at the time was not named William Harris but William Greer. And he did not shoot the President from the front seat. If you look at the new video, "Image of an assassination" which has a very clear version of the film you can see that this is not so. UNLESS you want to argue alteration, etc., which some have done and continue to do. In any case the man is not Harris but Greer. This is not the reason (or at least is not the only reason) that this murder is still unsolved. The real reason is because of the governments role in the murder and their efforts to cloak that fact. Additionally one might want to consider the role of secret societies in this action as well, since a lot of the men investigating the crime and surrounding it, and prominent after the fact are all well connected in these societies. Check your facts before making such sweeping statements. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER is not SOLVED va this post -
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley: You just demonstrated your current level of ignorance. If you think the driver of the freaking limo wasted Kennedy, then I have a ALIEN ABDUCTION/CRASH INSURANCE policy to sell you . I am amazed that someone could be that freaking ignorant as to believe a crock of horse sheet like this. What kind of an "AGENT" are you supposed to be? AGENT of the ILLUMINATI? AGENT PROVOCATEUR? KGB? Real Estate Agent? IRAQI INTELLIGENCE? Whatever you are an "Agent" of, I suggest you do some research before letting that alligator mouth overload that hummingbird ass. ME On Friday, January 08, 1999 11:38 AM, Agent Smiley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vive La France!
-Caveat Lector- Now I understand *why* I'm not really upset at Billio, rather disappointed in his inability be good at avoiding perils: too many years as a Francophile. Again, as G Ferraro put it, if stupidity were grounds for impeachment ... From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Saturday, January 9, 1999 Behind the Ridicule, the French May See Peril in Too Much Truth By John Vinocur International Herald Tribune PARIS - ''Truths!'' Charles de Gaulle is supposed to have shouted. ''Did you think I could have created a (Free French) government against the English and the Americans with truths? You make History with ambition, not with truths.'' The quote is from a new book by Thierry Pfister, a French editor, who uses it to illustrate his thesis that for the French mind, lying in politics is the norm, and that anyone trying to attach a standard of truthfulness to a politician's behavior is naive and worthy of contempt. The general, he suggests, said as much. This is part of Mr. Pfister's explanation of why he believes the French, and particularly France's elites, do not understand how President Bill Clinton could be impeached. He says that the French elite is terrified by the case's implications for its privileges, and that this is the reason, much more than in other democratic countries, that the yearlong reaction here to the impeachment process has been one of ridicule, self-satisfied righteousness, and feigned concern for the future of the United States. For the French elite, Mr. Pfister maintains, ''there are virtually no consequences for lying. It's O.K.'' Certainly nowhere in or outside the United States has the handling of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal been held up as a model of civic procedure. But in France, the circumstances are seen, Mr. Pfister says, as an ongoing means to contrast ''a reactionary American puritanism against progressive French tolerance.'' This week, while CNN's commentators were talking about the solemnity of the opening public proceedings in the Senate, the anchorman on the France 3 state television news at 11 P.M. was describing it as ''a lamentable show.'' In a Page One editorial accompanying the Clinton trial, Le Figaro cried out, ''Wake up, Tocqueville, they've gone mad. When you look at the distressing spectacle that American democracy is offering, you say to yourself that the man who described it best must not be very comfortable up there in the heavens.'' For Mr. Pfister, who served as spokesman for former Prime Minister Pierre Mauroy in President Francois Mitterrand's first Socialist government and as a writer for Le Monde and Le Nouvel Observateur magazine, there is more political lying in France than in other democracies because its democratic culture is weaker. In this context, he said in an interview, a historical climate of lies involving the reaction of the French to the Nazi occupation, the French colonial war in Algeria, and the corruption of the Mitterrand years, makes Bill Clinton's vulnerability for alleged lying under oath an almost otherworldly matter here. ''That's why the situation is incomprehensible for French public opinion,'' Mr. Pfister wrote. ''Punishing lies - what naivete!'' Among its officials, ''France has a cult of lying,'' Mr. Pfister insists. ''With us, lying gets a good press,'' he said. ''Some see it as a Latin characteristic, others as the sign of a superior civilization.'' He said, ''Attempting to limit its use makes you look ridiculous. Playing Don Quixote is the equivalent of confronting standard social usage, discussed from time to time, but never really brought into question.'' No particular fan of an American model, Mr. Pfister describes the investigation of Mr. Clinton by Kenneth Starr as partisan, inspired by the right wing of the Republican Party, and using inquisition-like methods. But he goes after the notion that there was some kind of elegance or refinement in the political circumstances that allowed Mr. Mitterrand to keep his double family life from public knowledge, at the same time that he published innocuous health bulletins that hid his developing cancer. The French were treated not so much as citizens, but infantile subjects, the writer said. If it was fine that the French hardly seemed disturbed on learning about Mr. Mitterrand's second family after his death, Mr. Pfister argued ''it is nonetheless unacceptable that the news was delivered to them so late.'' ''The reality is that it is this contempt, this institutional dissimulating that is being defended by everyone running to Bill Clinton's defense.'' Mr. Pfister singled out the Socialist president of the foreign affairs commission of the National Assembly, Jack Lang, as an example of the French public and media figures who were expressing shock about a so-called re-birth of McCarthyism in the United States,
[CTRL] Iraqiana: 01-08
-Caveat Lector- From ArabicNews.CoM A critical decision for the Iraqi national council, tomorrow Iraq, Politics, 1/8/99 Well-informed Iraqi sources in Amman said that the Iraqi national council (Parliament) will hold an emergency session tomorrow (Saturday) at the invitation of the Iraqi leadership in order to derive "public support" for a political decision aiming at "legalizing" retaliation to any sources of threats "launched from neighboring countries." The sources added that the draft decision agreed upon by the Iraqi military and political leaders stressed "Iraq's right to repel the warplanes and missiles and forces launched against it from countries in the region." The sources continued that the two Iraqi leaders which are directly supervised by President Saddam Hussein found out that "the best ways to prevent these countries from providing support is to make it feel the great consequences of its act." The Iraqi national council will also discuss decisions which reassert "categorical refusal to deal with UNSCOM, and the besiege and condemnation of the aggression." It is also expected that the council will submit a governmental plan for defense and supply. It will also release a statement in which it calls upon Arab governments to abide by decisions taken by its parliaments issued by the meeting they held in Amman and declared support for Iraq. Member of the Iraqi national council Abdul Razzqa al-Heiti said " these issues will be the basis for Saturday's meeting which is "important and urgent." Ba'ath -- how do they interrelate? Syria Iraq ? Syrian Baath Party regional leadership unanimously nominates President al-Assad for fifth term Syria, Politics, 1/8/99 The assistant regional secretary of the Baath Arab socialist party, Suleiman Qaddah, on Thursday morning told the Syrian news agency, SANA, that, "On March 12, 1999, Syrian President al-Assad's term of office will end according to item 84 of the Syrian constitution. "The Baath party regional leadership met on Wednesday, January 6, 1999 and adopted a unanimous decision to nominate President al-Assad for a new term of office. By its decision to nominate President al-Assad for a new term of office, the Baath Party regional leadership responds to the will of our people and their ambitions and to the national and pan-Arab interests as well as requirements of the current phase the Arab nation passes." Meantime, the speaker of the people's assembly, Abdul Qader Qaddoura, received the book that includes the Baath party's unanimous decision to nominate President al-Assad for a new term of office. Qaddoura said that the Syrian People Assembly will start a special session next Monday at noon to study the report submitted by the Baath party regional leadership. He added the PA will submit the book to a special committee to be formed for this purpose and to be chaired by the Deputy People Assembly Speaker and include all parties and activists represented in the people's assembly in order to draft a report to be submitted to the People Assembly for debate. Qaddoura added that committee's report will be submitted following the public debate on voting, then the People Assembly speaker will set a date for the referendum and will invite the Syrian people to take part in the referendum. Qaddoura said the public referendum for the new constitutional term will be held in the first half of February. In his press conference, the PA speaker stressed that this nomination came as a response to "people's national and historical requirements under the conditions the Arab masses undergo due to the clear vision and farsightedness President al-Assad enjoys." After Qaddoura highlighted the traits of President al-Assad as a prominent Syrian leader, he answered all questions asked by journalists concerning several issues relating to nomination procedures and the referendum operation. ArabicNews Sources affiliated to the Iraqi National Conference stated that US and British delegations is heading soon to Iraqi Kurdistan for following up implementing Washington's accord lately held between the 2 Kurdish parties and that a meeting will be held between secretary general of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Jalal Talibani and the chairman of the Kurdistani Democratic Party, Mesout Barzani in the main head quarter of the Kurdish Democratic Party today during the visit of the British and the US delegations. From Reuters Friday January 8 3:59 PM ET Raids Killed Key Iraqi Officials, Says Shelton By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence indicates last month's damaging air raids on Iraq killed key government officials and have left President Saddam Hussein increasingly desperate, the Pentagon's top general said Friday. Army Gen. Henry Shelton, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters that the losses of key advisers, deaths of as many as 1,600 elite Republican Guard troops and others, and
[CTRL] Ziggurats for Danno...
-Caveat Lector- we the Ziggurat builders of the world are conspiring against you Danno. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Future-Cities] Victory City From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Future-Cities list. See http://www.victorycities.com. Seems to be one of the city-in-one-building designs like the Ziggurats of Keesy and Shimizu or Bini's Tower City which would be built on shallow coastal seas. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:24:26 -0500 From: Orville Simpson 11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: W Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Victory City I received your E mail of Dec. l8, l998 but there was no message. Could this have been lost in transmission somehow? Please try again, as I will be interested in hearing from you. Orville Simpson To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. *** With world population increasing at almost 100,000,000/year what will cities of the next century and next millenium be like? *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Re: HRH Prince Nicholas deVere
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy B. Carmain) I've finally managed to enlarge de Vere's genealogy from the Dragon Order web page, and I must say it gets points for sheer inventiveness. Much of it is absolutely certifiable, i.e the descent from Pepin III and the lineage of the Earls of Oxford (with the possible exception of their descent from the Tuatha de Danaan who are mythological beings). However, de Vere's line seems to be grafted on circa 1139 with a younger son of Alberic de Vere, Count of Guisnes by the name of Robert, who I can't seem to locate in my usual sources. This Robert is purportedly the progenitor of the "Royal Vere of Scotland" line (odd since I've never come across a reference to the de Veres as kings of Scotland), wherein the name was corrupted to "Weir" some centuries later. The unbroken line continues down to the present day through various Lords Weir of Vere (?), who surprisingly aren't noted anywhere in Burke's Peerage, Burke's Landed Gentry, Debrett's Peerage, or Ruvigny's Titled Nobility of Europe. This, according to Prince Nicholas, is the line of the Hereditary Dragon Lords of Sarkany Rend - but he stops short of explaining how a Scots family (and the "Royal" family to boot!) came to head up what he identifies elsewhere as a Hungarian order, established by a German Emperor and consort of a Queen of Hungary who was herself of French ancestry... 'tis a mystery still. The line culminates with "HRH The Princeps Draconis, Nicholas II (?) de Vere, Sovereign Grand Master of the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court, Sarkany Rend, Grand Master of the Knights Templar, and HRH The Prince Drakenberg". It would appear that "Prince" Michael and the Stewarts have been swept aside for the "Weir de Veres". I faxed these charts to a genealogist chum up in San Francisco, as he is fairly up on his faux claimants as well. Surprisingly, my friend called me to say that he had seen these charts before, although the "Weir de Vere" surname was a new inclusion. He identified "Prince Nicholas" as one Tom Weir, a Scotsman who at one time claimed that the Habsburgs were illegitimate and that they had usurped the throne of the Holy Roman Empire from the de Vere dynasty. Aside from the fact that it's a bit difficult to usurp an elective throne, Mr. Weir's contention that the German "W" is pronounced "V", thus Weir=Vere is a bit off. In German, "ei" is pronounced as a long "i", thus if pronounced in German, "Weir" would be pronounced as "Vire", rhyming with "fire". My colleague seems to think that the author of these very imaginative charts is none other than "Sir" Laurence Gardner himself, apparently a close associate of Mr. Weir. Tim Carmain Timothy B. Carmain Business Manager, Mesa Court Housing University of California, Irvine (949) 824-7533 voice, (949) 824-3046 fax To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. http://www.albino.com/circle/pos/ - list of priory-related books, associations, and websites to unsubscribe, contact list-managers [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] Tunnels - GREAT URL
-Caveat Lector- Robert wrote: Back in November Hoagland used the web link (except it was to Arizona) as suggested proof that underground activity was happening near turret peak...which allegedly confirmed what his "informants" were telling him. You may remember the furor over the Dec 7th landing date blah blah blah, which when the landing did not happen, was changed to 'well something happened, but it was underground...' snip Hiya Robert, Can't say that I'm a Hoagland fan. I believe that there are tunnels for very innocent reasons. But why would we need 5 and 10 mile long tunnels in the middle of no where? There's a 9 mile tunnel in Chama. I've been to Chama. It's dinky little town - there's nothing there. I mean a small town - with a gas pump and that's about it! Now, the southwest is famous for old mines but, I suspect that this isn't an old mining tunnel. It's a little weird. I could ask around and see what the local folk have to say about it. Hilary DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SERMON: WHO WAS KING JAMES
-Caveat Lector- WHO WAS KING JAMES For the last three centuries Protestants have fancied themselves the heirs of the Reformation, the Puritans, the Calvinists, and the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. This assumption is one of histories greatest ironies. Today, Protestants laboring under that assumption use the King James Bible. Most of the new Bibles such as the Revised Standard Version are simply updates of the King James. The irony is that none of the groups named in the preceding paragraph used a King James Bible nor would they have used it if it had been given to them free. The Bible in use by those groups, until it went out of print in 1644, was the Geneva Bible. The first Geneva Bible, both Old and New Testaments, was first published in English in 1560 in what is now Geneva, Switzerland. William Shakespeare, John Bunyan, John Milton, the Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620, and other luminaries of that era used the Geneva Bible exclusively. Until he had his own version named after him, so did King James I of England. James I later tried to disclaim any knowledge of the Geneva Bible, though he quoted the Geneva Bible in his own writings. As a Professor Eadie reported it: "his virtual disclaimer of all knowledge up to a late period of the Genevan notes and version was simply a bold, unblushing falsehood, a clumsy attempt to sever himself and his earlier Scottish beliefs and usages that he might win favor with his English churchmen." The irony goes further. King James did not encourage a translation of the Bible in order to enlighten the common people: his sole intent was to deny them the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible. The marginal notes of the Geneva version were what made it so popular with the common people. The King James Bible was, and is for all practical purposes, a government publication. There were several reasons for the King James Bible being a government publication. First, King James I of England was a devout believer in the "divine right of kings," a philosophy ingrained in him by his mother Mary Stuart. Mary Stuart may have been having an affair with her Italian secretary, David Rizzio, at the time she conceived James. There is a better than even chance that James was the product of adultery. Apparently, enough evidence of such conduct on the part of Mary Stuart and David Rizio existed to cause various Scot nobles, including Mary's own husband, King Henry, to drag David Rizzio from Mary's supper table and execute him. The Scot nobles hacked and slashed at the screaming Rizzio with knives and swords, and then threw him off a balcony to the courtyard below where he landed with a sickening smack. In the phrase of that day, he had been scotched. Mary did have affairs with other men, such as the Earl of Bothwell. She later tried to execute her husband in a gunpowder explosion that shook all of Edinburgh. King Henry survived the explosion only to be suffocated later that same night. The murderers were never discovered. Mary was eventually beheaded at the order of her cousin, Elizabeth I of England. To such individuals as James and his mother, Mary, the "divine right of kings" meant that since a king's power came from God, the king then had to answer to no one but God. This lack of responsibility extended to evil kings. The reasoning was that if a king was evil, that was a punishment sent from God. The citizens should then suffer in silence. If a king was good, that was a blessing sent from God. This is why the Geneva Bible annoyed King James I. The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that simply didn't conform to that point of view. Those marginal notes had been, to a great extent, placed in the Geneva Bible by the leaders of the Reformation, including John Knox and John Calvin. Knox and Calvin could not and cannot be dismissed lightly or their opinions passed off to the public as the mere ditherings of dissidents. First, notes such as, "When tyrants cannot prevail by craft they burst forth into open rage," (Note i, Exodus 1:22) really bothered King James. Second, religion in James' time was not what it is today. In that era religion was controlled by the government. If someone lived in Spain at the time, he had three religious "choices:" 1. Roman Catholicism 2. Silence. 3. The Inquisition The third "option" was reserved for "heretics," or people who didn't think the way the government wanted them to. To governments of that era heresy and treason were synonymous. England wasn't much different. From the time of Henry VIII on, an Englishman had three choices 1. The Anglican Church. 2. Silence. 3. The rack, burning at the stake, being drawn and quartered, or some other form of persuasion. The hapless individuals who fell into the hands of the government for holding religious opinions of their own were simply punished according to the royal whim. Henry Vl11, once he had appointed himself head of all the English churches, kept the Roman Catholic system
[CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om