Absolutely free!!!
Hello All, what a happy day we had yesturday. I took Balu to the vet to have the complete x-rays done. And the results are wonderful, he is absolutely free: HD 0/0, ED 0/0, OCD 0/0! After all the sorrow with Max, I'm so happy for Balu's results. Sending tons of berner hugs, Timi Balu, in memoriam of my forever love, Max
Re: Dunbar needs your help
Dunbar made a valiant effort. Thank you everyone who tried to help me save him. Tonight I made that decision we, who are involved with lives destined to be much shorter than our own, must inevitably make. Goodnight my sweet baby boy, my Dunbar, my D Dog, my friend. Swiss Stars Dances with Wolves, UD, OA, OAJ, TD, (VCD2), DD, JHD Dec 1, 1994 - Mar 10, 2003 Marjie
ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always
Just a note about HTML versus plain text. We have not had a single digest recently that didn't have at least one and sometimes as many as 5 or 6 posts that were unreadable for many of the List members. If you post in HTML, only some people will be able to read your email message. Please, PLEASE take the time to find out how to post in plain text. Pat Long ( Luther) List co-owner Berwyn PA
Re: ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always
Has anoyone found a way to make AOL 8 send in plain text other than sending from the AOL website? -Sherri V. (still on 5.0)
RE: Obedience brag -- both regional specialties!
Vilma, You know how much I love to see brags! And Congratulations!! It's always wonderful to see obedience brags - especially from someone who does so well in team with her dogs! As for brag donations, you can do it any way you'd like, they are strictly voluntary, and always cheerfully accepted! May I suggest that you not send your brag money to Joye for the histio fundraiser? I'd prefer to win the paintings myself... VBEG Pat Long ( Luther, UNCDX) Brag Fund Queen Berwyn PA
Re: Puppy Books
I am happy to share some of these short articles with anyone who might find them useful. Mary-Ann, If you don't mind, I would definitely be interested in those articles. Erica Ontario, Canada
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Re Being A Breeder Topic
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Re: BERNER-L digest 4315
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tricks
Hi Everyone, When my puppies are to young for allot of things but they are bored(we have already done the sit,down etc. bit)I go to dancing.We learn to bow,march in place,twist right and left,pole,back,under,etc.The thing I like is besides the fun,they learn to watch my hands.It is also something I can do in the show ring to break the stress and no-one knows we are playing. Also found out that when I start CDX and UD work its alot easier because I can use my hand allot more besides my voice.They seem to get the idea allot faster. My group dance to New York,New York.Will never complete ,dogs could,I couldn't,I'm lucky to go in front of a judge but we have FUN. Try it,I think you would enjoy,I know the dogs will Bobbie Abern
RE: Wow!
Hi Brigitte, Yes we have twelve Berners living here at home in the home:-) As a recent visitor said I reminded her of the Lady who lived in a Shoe:-) I do breed these lovely dogs but not all of them are in the current program. Oska is my soon to be seven years old stud dog, Titan is Junior male somewhat retarded in the sex department! Oak is my spayed allergy dog and her sister Olive is my upcoming show dog yet to have puppies, Jamaica is my best soon to be retiring brood bitch and her daughters Ursula and Wilma are still growing up. Maggie is the boss bitch and retired from breeding and her sister Tali is the official bedwarmer, another free loader:-) Maggie's daughter, Rudi, is hopefully pregnant:-)paws crossed. Zulu is my American invader, and she is all arms and legs right now enjoying her puppyhood showing way too much brain. Then there is the famous Destructo Dog, Phoebe, who in her previous life was a downstairs maid because her first job before dawn is to beat the heck out of the rugs!! Lily (Can.Ch. Sascha's Grace) recently went to heaven and she was the Princess of the Boudoir. Only her daughters were allowed in my bedroom and those dirty male dogs needn't even consider entering!! Pluto, King of the Undergrowth, lives with friends and Bardi lives with some more friends and Sooty, retired brood bitch, lives in luxury with her best friend Darlene who is member on this list:-) I enter therapy soon:-)) Rose T. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 10, 2003 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wow! Oh my gosh, Rose T. - 12 Berners? Strictly pets or do you breed as well? How many does everyone else have? The babysitter that my parents Greyhound goes to has 7 Greyhounds, all hers, plus she babysits Greys and fosters additional ones. Must be just a little chaotic, but at least it's the fun kind! Brigitte
Obedience brags
Congratulations, Vilma and crew--and thanks for posting! I always look to see if HIT is posted along with results from the breed ring. Being in a run-off against yourself would feel pretty weird! Vicky Hall in Utah
RE: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder
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RE: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder
Hi Kate and all, I think you've made a good point. And, when I thought the same thing yesterday, I posted to her privately. I expressed my concern about how she was being treated and told her about an up-coming litter. She has not responded. Don't quite know what to make of that. terry thompson missoula, montana At 09:12 AM 03/11/03 -0800, you wrote: This is my first post... but I have been reading for a couple months now, and this is only my opinion: I think that before everyone jumps on this lady about being offended by the breeder she was talking to we might want to give her the benefit of the doubt. Not all breeder are very friendly, and it is quite possible that the breeder was rude to her. I think that some positive support about what she can do to make her next experience more informative might be helpful for her versus the pummeling her for daring to speak up and ask about it. Kate Bert Lady Cedarburg, WI -Original Message- From: Mary Shaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Was: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder When I talk to PPO's about getting a berner pup, I always explain that a good breeder will ask LOTS of questions, and not to be put off or offended by that - a good breeder is genuinely concerned about where their pups are going. It always makes them feel better when I tell them that I had three berner breeders turn me down flat as an unsuitable owner! I also volunteer with our local humane society. You wouldn't believe how much verbal abuse we take from potential adopters when we ask them to complete our standard questionnaire. There is evidently a segment of the population who feel they have some God-given right to own whatever animal they want, regardless of their suitability, or lack thereof. It is this type of attitude that unfortunately contributes to the problem, whether it be choosing to buy a pup from a pet shop, or taking a store front give away pup from another irresponsible pet owner. We see them every day... Mary Shaver and the girls, Laurel and Bailey Fayetteville, GA This message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It is intended only to be read by the individual or entity named above or its designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that you must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and/or DoveBid, Inc. by telephone at (650) 571-7400 or email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete or destroy any copy of this message.
the Barnum and Bailey Circus
from a post titled Re: BERNER-L digest 4315 hi all ... i have 2 berners, bailey 5 months and barnum 2 months and my familty members think i am out of my mind... but had to have them.and i knew the resposiblity of having 2 berners would be a circus .but would not change a thing. snipdana - the ringleader, westwood, nj Dear Dana-the ringleader, Your post about your circus-at-home cracked me up! Below are some things I've learned over the years of raising multiple pups at the same time and working with others with their dogs' behavior challenges. First, I have a rule of thumb in equating puppy ages to human ages when thinking about behavior expectations. Prior to age 16 weeks these are not AS applicable, but they are somewhat applicable. My rule: A pup's age in months is equivalent to a human's age in years. So your 5 month old Bailey's playing with your 2 month old Barnum is akin to putting a 5 year old human and 2 year old human together to play. They are at different developmental stages and free play will not necessarily be appropriate. This statement from your e-mail is a good example: bailey (5 mo) will be sleeping a barnum (2 mo) runs from accross the room and pounces. Suggestions in raising two pups at the same time. 1) Do a lot of supervised activities together. Walks in places other than their yard are especially nice. They will both be into their dog instincts (sniffing, exploring etc) and consequently they will both be doing the same activity at their own developmental level without usually interfering with the other's development. 2) Do a lot of single dog activities, primarily training-related, with only one pup at a time. It's fine to allow the others to watch. I do this with multiple puppies by crating those I'm not working with and singling out one who comes up on a low table in the presence of the others to learn and perform tricks. Currently I'm working with puppies whose age range includes a 7 month spread. There's a lot of competition for my attention so sometimes sequestering is helpful. At other times the pups are required to mill about while only ONE gets up on the table. We've not yet mastered that with the most jealous ones of the group.:-) I suspect you're spending a LOT of time with both puppies at the same time which is challenging when their developmental stages are so far apart. While techniques in developing self discipline in both puppies may be similar, their abilities to exercise self discipline are quite different at their varied ages. The two month old's attention span may be significantly less than the 5 month old's. As far as how to deal with skirmishes between puppies, I'm learning a lot from a pup I've reared who is now a year old. He's from a different family than my other dogs and he is very dominating and aggressivesort of an obnoxious sort. I have a higher level of expectation from him and he takes a lot more self discipline training in order to be manageable. I've changed around things like how I set the puppies free after a time of confinement and disallow his having a free-for-all in terrorizing the others. He, for instance, is required to stay behind during the initial burst of excitement when I let the puppies outside after a nap. I have him wait behind at the door and I have him do a sit and wait to avoid his self indulgence in pouncing on the others and biting them all on the neck in the fever of their glee in being released outside. At 13 months I find him seeking to stay behind to get that special time with me. :-) I hope some of this is meaningful to you. Good luck with your circus-at-home. Your pups are fortunate to have a ringleader who cares so much. Ruth Reynolds Pioneer Bernese www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/rar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spencer's packing up for the bridge
Diagnostic tests yesterday confirmed that Spencer has stomach cancer. This may be a recurrence of the fibrosarcoma which has been in remission for so many years. About 1/4 to 1/3 of his stomach is non-functional, and little is passing through (which explains last month's blockage and the continued vomiting). He is home with me now, and I shall spend today with him and say goodbye. He'll be euthanized on Wednesday afternoon. Swiss Stars Rumor Has It, CD, NDD, BNDD, HCT, CGC - I guess he just misses Cricket too much. Karyn Beyer Mt. Shasta, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 Supported Entries in 1 weekend
Calling all Berner Fanciers May 2-4, 2003 in Saskatoon, SK CANADA 3 All Breed Shows with a Supported Entry for Bernese Mountain Dogs on Sunday May 4th in conjunction with the Hub City Kennel and Obedience Club as well as the Saskatoon Working Herding Dog Assoc. Specialty on Sunday May 4th with another Supported Entry for Bernese Mountain Dogs. This is a beautiful venue with LOTS of kenneling space, camping and easy access to many dog friendly hotels. It's a great opportunity to get together and have a nice entry of Berners along with the great prizes I've picked out for BB, BOS, BOW, WD, WB, BP 4 chances for points in 3 days as well. There is also a Sweepstakes, Stud Dog, Brood Bitch, Brace and Veterans class for the Working Herding Specialty, along with an obedience trial for the Specialty too!!! So you also have 3 chances for those obedience legs!! (2 for the HCKOC and 1 for the SWHDA) Entries are: HCKOC: Conformation, each dog, all 3 days= $65 Cdn or $23/entry/day Conf or Obed. Sweepstakes= $5.35 SWHDA:Conformation and Obedience= $22 Cdn Veterans (conf. or obedience)= $10 Sweepstakes= $10 Brace, Stud Dog, Brood Bitch= $10 Entries close April 8th. Copies of the Official Premium List can be obtained by contacting Kim Morrow at 306-653-3551 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope to see a good turnout!! If you're interested in coming, you can contact me and I can keep a running list of people who are coming so that we have some idea of what the entry will be like. Thanks! Kim Morrow Susa Reg'd Saskatoon, SK http://www.bernesedogs.com
AKC Gazette
In my February 2003 issue of the American Kennel Club Gazette, the special issue features Dogs in Art. On page 38, there is a painting entitled Maternal Care of a mother with five puppies. Part of the article reads While most dog fanciers are familiar with the great names of 19th century dog paintings-Landseer, Emms, Wardle, and the Earl family-there were many lesser known artists who created great dog pictures. One of my favorite paintings is dated 1851, but initaled simply AD, and while I have seen other paintings with the same monogram, I have yet to discover the artist's identity. Large in scale, it is an extraordinary painting. The mother has a noble yet contemplative quality, and each of the puppies' faces is different, one from the other. What is the breed? I am not sure, although the brown markings on the mother's rear leg has indicated to some that it may be an early Bernese Mountain Dog. It is an adorable and I wish I could find the actual painting. If anyone is interested in seeing this, I can try to scan it and send it individually to those who request it. Have a great day! ~ Kathy M. Deyo the Hapi Mtn kids playing in 12 of new snow!
New Nick Neff and Buddy Daisy Pics
Hi All, Joye just sent me the most beautiful pics taken by Pat Long at the Potomac Valley Regional speciality in Maryland this weekend. Gorgeous Nick at 10 1/2 weeks, how he has grown and how beautifully he poses for the camera! And Maria's Daisy and Buddy! Find also link on this new page to some pics Pat took of them way back in October '01 Check the recent updates All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Re: Had Enough
Hi Everyone, I wanted you to know that I've spent the last 2 1/2 days talking with the woman who wrote the post about looking for a berner puppy and her frustrations as such. What I've found is that this person is the direct opposite of what her post implied to many on the list. What prompted me to contact her is that I felt she needed help and education about our breed. Having been in her shoes before with the snobbish way some breeders can come across as, sent me a cry for help of sorts. I'm glad I contacted her. She's received MANY replies to her post, with most, just the way she described in her original email, rude! She's forwarded many of those to me. Most eye opening to say the least, the names from these emails to her didn't surprise me however what did is the fact that most of these folks claim to be the biggest supporters of BARC and educating potential puppy owners here on the L! Ya, go figure! I understand the puppy mill comment threw alot of us for a loop, and she has since come to understand the true meaning of puppy mills. My thanks to BARC's website and Jim for their nice and understanding email to Melissa of such. The very last thing I want to do is cause another outbreak of insulting posts and or useless thread over her email, but do want to point out that when we see posts like this, take the time to be understanding and to find out information about the person on the other end. A simple Hi, is there anything I can do to help will get a receptive response as opposed to SHAME ON YOU That's the only nice, if you will response she received and about the only one I can actually write here due to language/content. In closing, as a breeder and owner I have no worries over placing one of my puppies with her and her family. Nor have I held back any names of who she should contact for reputable breeders in her immediate area. I hope this helps to smooth over the uproar. Peg.. Dale Peg McQueary Thundering Pines Bernese Mtn Dogs http://www.geocities.com/thunderingpinesbernese/index.htm Northern California U.S.A.
RE: Pat Long Photos
Just a quick note. I had fun at the Potomac Specialty, they always do a great job! And I know how hard they work to make it look so easy! I sat and watched the show this year, and had fun doing it - that could get habit forming! I did photos just the one day after the show was finished, and we had fun. I will be doing photos in Long Beach, assisted by the lovely Joye Neff - without whom we would probably never get anything good on film! Do not assume that we will be doing this forever, between her arthritis and my eyesight, I see a limited Longshots future! Take advantage, and get photos!! We'll be doing them from Wednesday through Saturday, with time off for Berner-Garde board meetings and the like. I think we will do the same thing we did last year, and the money that the photos raise will go to whatever funds the people getting the photos want to support. Joye and I are also co-chairs of the Raffle, so we will need help from willing volunteers! The raffle table will be set up next to the conformation ring, so let us know if you'd like to spend some time meeting everyone who is buying raffle tickets! I cannot believe the Specialty is only a few weeks off, I still have a ton of stuff to do! So see you there! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: Pat Long Photos
I would like to add that the photo Pat took of Daisy this weekend is the finest ever taken of her -- Daisy's personality is utterly captured on film. This is a photo I will always treasure. I urge you all to take advantage of any opportunity to get a Longshot by Pat and Joye. Pat and Joye? Buddy says he promises not to act like such an idiot the next time you do photos. Really. Trust me. Maria
Re: Drafting biomechanics
Sherri wrote: Okay folks, I have a question. I was at a seminar this weekend for canine structure and the question came up as to whether a dog uses their front or rear to pull with. My initial reaction was their front, but after thinking about it further, I think it's much more complicated than this. I think terrain, weight load, not to mention the type of harness the dog wears all affect how they pull and drive. My therory is that they use both front and rear, sometimes equally and sometimes one is used more than the other. After watching a video of a Swissy at a weight pull, it seemed to me the dog was using its rear much more than its front. I don't have any proof that this is the case, but I can tell you the dog squatted its rear down, kept his rear feet planted, and pushed with the rear. The front end of the dog lifted up and the front legs seemed to claw at the ground in an effort to keep the dog going straight (instead of arcing around on the end of rope) more than pull the dog forward. Now maybe with a carting harness that has stays the dog wouldn't feel like it could swing around and thus would be able to use more of its front for pulling. I just don't know the answer to that. John Engstrom Plano, TX _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: Sensitive topic: Radio/invisable fence
Hi We have used the Invisible Fence now for over 15 years. 5 1/2 of which are with a Berner. We just moved up to Littleton NH, and when the snow melts we are going to put most or all of our 13 acres on the fence.. We have a 3 month old puppy that will go on the fence within the next month..The I do recommend putting on the longer probes and if he is a stubborn male boost the zap a little. When we where in our old house in NJ we had the fence so the dogs could go down to the stream and get a drink or cool off, but could not go past it.. We had it so the dogs would stay out of the gardens.. Take care Bill Wilczek Wilczek Woodworks www.geocities.com/wilczekwoodworks
Re: Sensitive topic: Radio/invisable fence
Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and now Bruin/Pogo/?? I'd recommend Bruinwe have a Pogo. Heaven help us, she has certainly lived up to her name!!! Much like Tigger, this dog is made out of springs VBG Lisa Bakersfield, CA
Dealing with those who snub you...
If someone treats you rudely, look elsewhere. I say this because, if I approach someone with good intentions and address him or her politely and with respect and this person treats me with contempt, I attribute the problem to this person and move on, with the knowledge that there are plenty of fish in the sea. Maybe this is a mind-set that comes with age; as I approach the half-century mark, being a contestant in a popularity contest of sorts is not something to which I seek to devote time, a valuable and precious commodity. I am a wonderful dog owner, not the world's best. A little too permissive, not as talented as a good many of the top performance dog handlers, guilty of allowing myself to be a slave to my dogs at times but, consider my dogs family, always put them first, spend any amount their health care demands, take them to classes and doggy social events throughout their lives, and have arranged my own life so that I can spend almost all my time with them which is something I want to do. I am not seeking a pup of any breed at this point in time but, if I was a PPO and someone treated me as being well beneath them, I would think to myself first, this is that person's problem and, then, that person just lost a magnificent home, mine, for their dog. Then I move on because time is a precious and valuable commodity and it serves no one, especially me, to dwell on the unpleasant. That being said, it is no secret in the world of purebred dogs that one must grow a thick skin. Sad perhaps, but true. I have a nice relationship with all my dogs' breeders and it is not based on agreeing on every matter. I appreciate, and let them know such, that they have placed with me this precious bundle of fur and realize that we might not agree on everything and that no two people generally do, even in the same family. Lisa Allen Blessed with Bernese since 1983! _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Invisible fencing
I have a professionally installed invisible (radio) fence that surrounds my 2+ acre property. I have trained both a berner puppy at 5 months to the fence, as well as an adult berner. I personally have not had any problems, no breakouts, and in fact, I still have many of the flags up around the back and sides of my yard where the wire is located back in the woods, and my dogs don't even wear their collars much of the time. They seem to know where their boundary is, and evidently have little interest in the wanderlust. They will furiously chase the squirrels, bunnies, deer and anything else that comes into the yard, but always stop short of the boundary (in fact, I think the wildlife have cottened to this as well, since I have seen the squirrels tormenting the dogs on the other side of the wire!). The caveat to the wire. I live on a quiet street at the end of a cul de sac. We see very little traffic and what we do see is moving quite slowly. I live in a rural area far away from really busy streets. My dogs are essentially indoor dogs; I don't have a job outside the home, so my dogs are rarely left on their own for extended periods of time. Under these circumstances the radio fence has worked fine for me. The biggest disadvantage is the radio fence does not protect your dog from other animals entering your yard. I have only had this happen a few times where a stray or lost dog has come into the yard. There has never been a problem. The other big disadvantage - if you live in an area where your dogs are at risk of being stolen, the radio fence is a big invitation for this sort of criminal activity. Hope this helps. BTW, several breeders would not sell me a puppy because of the invisible fence issue. Mary and the girls, Laurel and Bailey Fayetteville, GA
Re: Just because you are rich................
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HD ED Molly's Story
Hi Again All, Have just uploaded a new page for Molly and her story! Martha Hoverson's much loved lady was diagnosed with HD and ED some months ago. She underwent an operation for a Triple Pelvic Osteotomy on her right hip on December 13, 2002. On March 14, 2003, Molly will undergo arthroscopic elbow surgery to clean up the bone spurs in her elbows. Biggest Berner Hugs that this will be a great success and Molly will soon be running free! Find new page and pictures on the Recent Updates All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Re: New Nick Neff and Buddy Daisy Pics
What a great bunch of photogenic Berners. Nick Neff is truly a gorgeous little TANK. He looks like he'll be huge! Sisco took one look at Maria's Daisy and drooled all over the keyboard; he's had a crush on Daisy since he was a pup. And Buddy is growing up into a very handsome boy too; he's looking positively mature ;- Fran Sisco (oooh Daisy, pant pant) -- Fran Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] SportSound Music:http://www.geocities.com/franinvancouver
Was: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a Breeder
Thank you, Rahda, for your comments. My original post was asking for actual conversations, not the why do breeders ask too many questions. Original post: Would someone, anyone, everyone, put into the acutal words ... yeah, like quotes ... what it is breeders are saying, asking, and/ or implying that are putoffs, insults, seeming snobby or just plain nosey? I'd like to hear what's wrong ... in real words with these conversations. Rahda wrote: But let's not be blind to the reality that it is not just PPO's being oversensitive--there is a problem. *** There certainly was a problem in basic manners and courtesy of the conversations you outlined. Since I am a breeder, other breeders don't have PPO conversations with me and are not rude, insulting, snobby or plain nosey (at least not while I'm standing there talking to them! LOLOL!!) I was wondering if it was the questions PPOs were being asked, or the delivery of those questions, or something else.. but the comments that you wrote about have nothing to do with a breeder needing to know some things about you and were clearly not nice. Peg wrote: Having been in her shoes before with the snobbish way some breeders can come across *** What did they do/say that caused you to have the impression that breeders were snobby? Was it questions, comments, not returning phone calls, demeanor at doggie events, something else? Kate wrote: I think that before everyone jumps on this lady about being offended by the breeder she was talking to we might want to give her the benefit of the doubt. Not all breeder are very friendly, and it is quite possible that the breeder was rude to her. I think that some positive support about what she can do to make her next experience more informative might be helpful for her versus the pummeling her for daring to speak up and ask No pummeling here, but *exactly* what is it that's offending? Questions? Comments? Conversation? Specific words? Actions? Reactions? I'd still like to hear what's wrong ... in real words ... with these conversations that are giving folks these voiced impressions. Tailwags, Cathy Burlile Memories BMDs
ADMIN: We WILL All Be Sweet
This is a warning - this List is a pleasant place, it will continue to be a pleasant place - even if I have to knock heads together to do it! Keep discussions from becoming personal, refrain from making comments that are incendiary, and remember to be respectful of one another. We have many rude breeders. We have many warm and caring breeders. We have many rude pet owners. We have many warm and caring pet owners. In short, we are all just people. If we were nicer than that, we would have to be Berners. Just a note about comments about breeders. They breed the puppies, they get to decide where the puppies go. They have to judge the potential owners, that's the nature of the transaction. They have a product that we want - that's what gives them the right to judge to which of us they wish to sell a puppy. We want to buy puppies from them. It is up to us to find one that we feel is the right breeder for each of us. We are all Berner lovers. If we wish to help keep the breed viable, it is up to each of us, owners, breeders, Berner-L members - it is up to all of us to stay helpful and respectful of others. Each nasty email helps someone else understand the benefit of going to a pet store. Each gruff encounter helps someone else decide the Club/Breeders/AKC types/Purebred Snobs just aren't worth the time and effort. I keep remembering a story I heard about a breeder here in Pennsylvania. He got a Berner, but when he went to his first show - he was snubbed. He's now helping to personally churn out the back yard bred Berners we're having so many problems with here in Pennsylvania. Aggression? We see it! Shyness? We see it. Too many rescues? We're seeing it. Makes you wonder what this area would be like if people at that first show had been pleasant and welcoming to a newcomer. I don't know if the story is true - but the fact that I can believe that it did happen says it all. Pat Long, List Co-Owner Berwyn PA
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Drafting biomechanics
I always love talking about this subject. Biomechanics is a fascinating subject in and of itself. First of all consider your first sentence . The Dog is actually PUSHING the harness which transfers the momentum to the cart through the traces and/or the shafts depending on how you are set up. At no time does the dog pull the cart strictly speaking. As for what does the work, it take both the fore and aft legs to get forward motion. Looking at the physics of it, the rear legs contribute more towards the forward motion because of more muscle mass and the leverage of the muscles that contribute energy onto the harness. Because of the angles involved, the front legs would never be able to generate the same forces as the rear legs because their position relative to the front of the harness. Just think of it as a jumping exercise in which the feet remain of the ground. In a jump the front feet do lend initial momentum to get the body into proper attitude for the jump but the rear legs do the majority of the work to get up and over. Just consider how you feel when you try to lift something with your back instead of squatting over to lift with the legs. You are more powerful using your legs and could put your back out, doing otherwise. A good resource for this is Jumping from A to Z, by Christine Zink. Just think jumping on the level ground! Jim LaFrom San Jose, Ca now get out there and work dem workn'dogs
RE: invisible fencing
Dear Hildy the list- I am a current Berner owner with a long history of other breeds, including Great Danes, Samoyed's, Shelties. Although this post may not be directly responsive to your post, I feel I must provide it anyway. In 1993 I had an invisible fence professionally installed and trained my dogs thoroughly with it. I opted for it due to regulations in our development regarding perimeter fencing. It worked reliably with my Dane Sheltie, but my Samoyed never minded it all that well. She had a lot of fur (like a Berner) and was very stubborn, she would just walk through it when inclined and sit outside the fence on the front doorstep. Anyway, it never precluded other animals dogs from coming in our yard, which they did from time to time, and my Dane was fairly territorial. So this probably was not ideal. BUT, it worked very reliably for my Dane Sheltie. It was not until my dear, beloved Sheltie got out for the 2nd time in 6 years, that I decided to ditch the invisible fence for an extensive, physical dog run. Why did I do so? Because on that day, my dear Mogul was hit by a speeding car in front of our house killed. To be honest, I have never gotten over it, but that is besides the point. Technically, the fence DID work, 99.9% of the time, just not on the one occasion that it mattered. I would hate to see anyone have the same tragedy, so I wanted you to know. I wouldn't trust it for my Berner Davos in a million years. Best of luck in making your decision, Eve Berman -Original Message- From: Hildy F. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:16 AM To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: Sensitive topic: Radio/invisable fence Hi all, The invisible fence issue seems to be a black and white issues (at least in the rec.dog.behavior newsgroup). So please do not flame. I just try to make the right decision re: fencing. Do any of you have a radio/invisible fence installed for their Berners and does it work? I know all the basic pros and cons of the invisible fence. So, I am just curious what your experience is with the invisible fence and Bernese. Greetings, Hildy Leesburg, VA Bijou - 5 month
Re: BERNER-L digest 4317
Please unsubscribe me. I will not be able to read this. Thank you. Maria Langille Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BERNER-L Digest 4317 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Gold Bead implants by Lisa Elliott 2) Absolutely free!!! by romantimea 3) Re: Dunbar needs your help by Marjie 4) ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always by Pat Long Paul Dangel 5) Re: ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) RE: Obedience brag -- both regional specialties! by Pat Long Paul Dangel 7) Was: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder by Radha Iyengar 8) Re: How to be a breeder by Beth Stuever 9) Re: Puppy Books by E M Poster 10) hesse by Jordan S. Dill 11) Re Being A Breeder Topic by McGuinness, Denise 12) Sensitive topic: Radio/invisable fence by Hildy F. 13) Re: BERNER-L digest 4315 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) tricks by Bobbie Abern 15) RE: Wow! by Rose Tierney 16) Obedience brags by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) RE: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder by Kathleen Bert 18) RE: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder by T Thompson 19) the Barnum and Bailey Circus by Ruth Reynolds 20) Spencer's packing up for the bridge by Karyn Beyer 21) Re: Sensitive topic: Radio/invisable fence by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) 2 Supported Entries in 1 weekend by Kim Morrow 23) AKC Gazette by 24) New Nick Neff and Buddy Daisy Pics by jean cheesman 25) Lost Berner by Scott Betsy 26) Re: ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27) Re: Had Enough by Peg McQueary 28) Drafting biomechanics by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29) RE: raising two puppies at once by Pat Long Paul Dangel 30) RE: Pat Long Photos by Pat Long Paul Dangel ATTACHMENT part 2.1 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:50:33 -0800 From: Lisa Elliott To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: Gold Bead implants It has been quite some time since I have seen anyone mention gold bead implants as a treatment option for hip dysplasia. Is this a treatment that is still considered successful and a top choice for those dealing with HD? If so, does anyone know of a practitioner in California whom they would recommend who has experience providing this kind of treatment? thanks in advance! Lisa in Bakersfield, CA ATTACHMENT part 2.2 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:05:13 +0100 (CET) From: romantimea Subject: Absolutely free!!! To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Hello All, what a happy day we had yesturday. I took Balu to the vet to have the complete x-rays done. And the results are wonderful, he is absolutely free: HD 0/0, ED 0/0, OCD 0/0! After all the sorrow with Max, I'm so happy for Balu's results. Sending tons of berner hugs, Timi Balu, in memoriam of my forever love, Max ATTACHMENT part 2.3 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:06:24 -0800 From: Marjie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dunbar needs your help Dunbar made a valiant effort. Thank you everyone who tried to help me save him. Tonight I made that decision we, who are involved with lives destined to be much shorter than our own, must inevitably make. Goodnight my sweet baby boy, my Dunbar, my D Dog, my friend. Swiss Stars Dances with Wolves, UD, OA, OAJ, TD, (VCD2), DD, JHD Dec 1, 1994 - Mar 10, 2003 Marjie ATTACHMENT part 2.4 message/rfc822 From: Pat Long Paul Dangel To: Subject: ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:24:14 -0500 Just a note about HTML versus plain text. We have not had a single digest recently that didn't have at least one and sometimes as many as 5 or 6 posts that were unreadable for many of the List members. If you post in HTML, only some people will be able to read your email message. Please, PLEASE take the time to find out how to post in plain text. Pat Long ( Luther) List co-owner Berwyn PA ATTACHMENT part 2.5 message/rfc822 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:31:58 EST Subject: Re: ADMIN: HTML Causing Problems, as always To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anoyone found a way to make AOL 8 send in plain text other than sending from the AOL website? -Sherri V. (still on 5.0) ATTACHMENT part 2.6 message/rfc822 From: Pat Long Paul Dangel To: , Subject: RE: Obedience brag -- both regional specialties! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:32:30 -0500 Vilma, You know how much I love to see brags! And Congratulations!! It's always wonderful to see obedience brags - especially from someone who does so well in team with her dogs! As for brag donations, you can do it any way you'd like, they are strictly voluntary, and always cheerfully accepted! May I suggest that you not send your brag money to Joye for the histio fundraiser? I'd prefer to win the paintings myself... Pat Long ( Luther, UNCDX) Brag Fund Queen Berwyn PA ATTACHMENT part 2.7 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 03:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Radha Iyengar Subject: Was: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a breeder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a pet owner myself and being
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AKC Gazette subscription rates
Several months ago, I received a bill to renew my subscription to the AKC Gazette. It was a special breeders price, mentioning the BMDCA, however, it expired in Sept. Does anyone know if one can request the special rate?? Gail Miller Cynosure Bernese in Arkansas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Drafting biomechanics
Sherri, I can tell you they can't pull without the rear. I participated in a weight pulling demo once years ago. My berner was cart trained but not weight conditioned and she was 7 yrs old. We started with about 10 dogs including Sibs, Mals, a Great Dane, some GSs, Sammys, and other pure-bred dogs. Each dog pulled on level to slightly sloping up hill ground and we started with a 100 lb gig (3 wheeled thingy) and the dog had to pull this from a dead stop a distance of about 16'. All the owner could do is call the dogs name. After each dog had a try those that didn't/couldn't pull dropped out and they added weight at about 50 lb increments after each round of pulls. At the 550 lb level the four dogs left were my Jeni, a Mal and a couple other sled dogs (either both Sibs or a Sib and a Sammy) The Dane and a GS didn't even make the first pull because they didn't have the proper rear for digging in and driving forward. Too much angulation in the GS so energy was wasted. This is of particular concern in our Berners today as many many have too much bend of stifle and couldn't pull a load on their best day. Sandie Hawkins
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) Your all time favorite puppy and/or training books Jean Donaldson, The Culture Clash. Karen Pryor, Don't Shoot the Dog. 2) Also, a funny question, out of curiosity, I was wondering how you all started out with sleeping arrangements. Crate in our room. Eileen Morgan March 30th Clinic Information: http://www.enter.net/~edlehman/USEAAR2.html The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003
Re: Was: Had Enough -- Now: How to be a Breeder
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SORRY FOR The past posts...
Sorry gang. I totally forgot to sign on to aol.com instead of just using my aol.com addrss, so you'll probably get some funky messages! Sorry - I will TRY to remember! Is their any other way to do this? AOL.com is MUCH slower than just using aolI am impatient! LOL
breeder / PPO
I remember my first encounter with breeders and it was NOT pleasant and many of my personal meeting haven't been that great either. However, I am trying (though don't always succeed) in believing that not everyone is going to be Mr. or Mrs. Marty or Mary Sunshine. I've got a couple of feelers out now for a Berner or Newfie rescue and am steeling myself for the tons of questions I undoubtedly will receive, even though I have a happy, healthy Berner already. I will TRY not to get upset and remember that everything DOES eventually happen for a reason! I was put off so much by breeders that I had to go to an ad for mine - shudder to think, eh? But my Caesar is a true Berner, with all the wonderful, loving, goofy qualities and looks of any other respected breeder...he's AWESOME and does the breed proud each time he meets someone and of course, every day. Good luck - be patient! Kim and Caesar
Samson
Dear Vanessa I'm so sorry to hear of Samson's accident. I'm sure it must be agonizing for you. How is he doing today??? I'm a vet as well as being a devoted Berner mom, so thought I might be able to give you some info about your boy's injuries. Pneumothorax is a condition when air escapes from the lungs and is free within the thoracic (chest) cavity. As long as his lungs are not collapsed, and he's able to breathe OK, we usually leave well enough alone and let the air slowly be resorbed. If there is lung collapse or great difficulty breathing, then the free air has to be removed from his chest (ie. via chest tube or a needle thoracocentesis). It's very important that Samson be kept nice quiet until the pneumothorax resolves. Right now that's probably not too big a problem as I'd imagine the poor boy is pretty sore, but it may be an issue in a few days when he's feeling more perky! The brachial plexus avulsion is a serious injury. What all those big words mean is that the front leg has been suddenly and forcibly pulled away sideways (avulsed) from the body. The armpit area of the dog (the brachial plexus) is a mass of blood vessels and nerves. This traumatic avulsion stretches these structures, often causing secondary nerve damage (they get stretched too far). One the most important nerves to the front limb is the radial nerve. This is the nerve that controls extension of the entire front leg. Without this nerve functioning, the leg is unable to bear weight, the leg just collapses on itself. Unfortunately, radial nerve paralysis most commonly results from brachial plexus avulsion. Don't despair yet!! Samson is a young guy and the paralysis you see now may be temporary due to local inflammation. Give it some time before making any permanent decsions. If the damage does end up being a permanent thing, then we do usually recommend amputation of the affected limb -- for as long as the useless leg is present, he'll continue to try to use it as a crutch, which actually hinders more than it helps. Besides, because there's no or impaired feeling in the lower extremity, risk of damage to the leg is great -- he'll end up with nasty ulcers on his carpus from dragging it around. Three-legged dogs get around amazingly well! They usually don't even seem to notice they're missing a leg, especially when it's a front leg. I know one 2-legged dog that can run nearly as well now as when he had 4 legs! Hope Samson's feeling better soon!!! sue(Aeryn with Devyn Rowyn)
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