Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Matt Robertson
 a good CMS should NOT allow users to use HTML to fulfill all their
 fantasies.
 See, this is -- to me at least -- where the laboratory gets hit smack in 
the face with reality. Yes of course styles should rule. But try telling a 
user their tabulated data can't be entered into the cms (tables are about 
the only way that'll happen) or that because the Board of Directors wants to 
use Comic Sans in 96-pt Muave for their monthly report's page title that you 
can't accomodate them because only a bad system would allow such a thing... 
Like it or not you have to allow users to muck up their sites if they so 
choose and it has nothing to do with whether the cms is saintly or eee-vil.
  Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image 
anytime.
 Oh my God! If I were to pick one feature that users were explicitly 
delirious over, and which management expressly listed as a job requirement, 
it would be the ability to upload an image or document (pdf, .doc; .xls or 
somesuch) inline directly into the page via the wysiwyg editor. I used to do 
it the way you describe and no, your users won't tolerate it unless you are 
the one writing the paychecks, or you have a plant inside management who is 
of a like mind and damn the torpedoes.
 Not speaking to you personally, Claude, but it amazes me how parochial and 
textbook-oriented so many developers are with respect to what a 'good' CMS 
is. A good CMS does what its users want it to do. If it doesn't its a 
textbook-correct product sitting on a shelf.
 
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

2005-08-11 Thread Micha Schopman
They probably won't even want to talk to you for a minor deal of $500.
You are talking with sales people, not with donkeys ;)
 
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Has anyone been shopping for a $500 CMS solution and really been talked

into a $14K solution?


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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Pete Jordan
Claude Schneegans wrote:

 What for instance would you like to have?

You pretty much listed our requirements :)

 - a good CMS should NOT allow users to use HTML to fulfill all their 
 fantasies.
 So, users should not be able to define any color, font size and what 
 ever, instead, they
 should be able to select a style (or a class) the site designers have 
 designed for them.

That's why the toolbar configurability and (with our database-driven 
style selector hack) style control in fckeditor works for us.

 - a good HTML editor should be callable from several places in a form, 
 each instance
 having it's own set of tools and styles available to the user. For 
 instance when editing
 a News Release, I ask the user to fill a summary and the main content. I 
 don't want him
 to have access to all the tools for the summary, not even to bold, since 
 this is handled
 by the News Release template any way.

and again. We allow for user-created forms like this too, in a limited 
way: the form tag and submit/reset buttons are generated by the CMS; 
users can insert whatever form controls they like in between (and flag 
fields as mandatory). The only processing option we offer ATM is to 
email the form results to a pre-configured address, but that actually 
covers most people's requirements. FWIW, the form processor itself is 
one I wrote in mod_perl and is *very* paranoid for all the obvious reasons.

 - a good HTML Editor should not be embeded in a textarea, instead, it 
 should open a new window
 which can be resized any sized to resemble the final page the text is 
 intended,
 otherwise it is not really WYSIWYG.

Here I disagree - the web isn't WYSIWYG anyhow, so giving users the 
illusion that it is does no good at all. We do use the target stylesheet 
in the fckeditor (or soeditor) iframe, though, so fonts, sizes and 
colours are as they should be.

 - a good HTML editor should not allow pasting from MS Word with no basic 
 cleaning.

I wrote a co-processor for soeditor to sanitise such crap when switching 
from source to html mode and when exiting; fckeditor has a paste from 
word function, though I haven't (yet) thrown much horror at it.

 Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image anytime.
 The problem with HTML Editors is that they are completely independant 
 from the CMS system.
 Images should be managed by some tool in the CMS admin module, and 
 registered in the database,
 including image sizes, some title, description etc.
 Then, the CMS provides some tool  to select and display images from the 
 database, not the editor.

We have the option of allowing image uploads into any directory, 
configurable by directory. If the directory is managed by the CMS, the 
upload actually goes to that directory's raw image store and the CMS 
will autogenerate the appropriately sized, framed, annotated or 
otherwise mangled result into the directory the user *thinks* they're 
uploading to. At present, images newly uploaded this way are actually 
registered in the image table when an administrator next enters the 
image manager - I do a scan of the raw image directories and add any new 
images as uncategorised, flagging duplicates.

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Russ Michaels
Yes, I have not posted ALL code. 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 August 2005 00:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFFORM error

before digging thru this...is that /cfoutput after your cfform supposed
to be there?

On 8/10/05, Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok here's the code.

(snipped)

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Re: COM problems

2005-08-11 Thread Peter Shaw
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 18:03, Peter Shaw wrote:
 Thanks Tom,

I'm stumped now.
Unless you know enough ASP or something to try it 'native' ?

-- 

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We did indeed write an ASP version which exhibited the same symptoms. So we 
packed it all off back to the developers who have now (after only two attempts) 
sorted it out.

Many thanks again for your input.

Peter

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RE: Trick to View Parsed Query (was CF7 lots of new Ambiguous column name issues)

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
If you'd like to provide the parsed query, you can do so in one of two
ways: 1) copy the parsed query from your debug info or 2) comment out
the CFQUERY tags and replace them with CFOUTPUT tags.

Actually, just a trick to display parsed query.  If you insert a cfabort just 
above your /CFQUERY tag (immediately after your SQL), and run your page, the 
program will abort
and automatically display the parsed query.  You don't have to change the 
cfquery tags to cfoutput tags.

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF7 lots of new Ambiguous column name issues


Well, I'd like to see the parsed query to be certain that your problem
is fully addressed but, from what you've provided, I'd say Claude has
honed in on your issue. You need to scope the formobjectitemid and
archive columns with either the version or companynews table. This is
best practice for any SQL statement that references more than one
table.

If you'd like to provide the parsed query, you can do so in one of two
ways: 1) copy the parsed query from your debug info or 2) comment out
the CFQUERY tags and replace them with CFOUTPUT tags.



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RE: CF7 lots of new Ambiguous column name issues

2005-08-11 Thread Calvin Ward
On CFMX 7 you can also add the result attribute to the cfquery tag and dump
that without changing any of your other code...

- Calvin 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF7 lots of new Ambiguous column name issues

Well, I'd like to see the parsed query to be certain that your problem is
fully addressed but, from what you've provided, I'd say Claude has honed in
on your issue. You need to scope the formobjectitemid and archive columns
with either the version or companynews table. This is best practice for any
SQL statement that references more than one table.

If you'd like to provide the parsed query, you can do so in one of two
ways: 1) copy the parsed query from your debug info or 2) comment out the
CFQUERY tags and replace them with CFOUTPUT tags.



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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
cfform action=#script_name#?action=domains.default method=POST
name=domainform
/cfoutput

I looked through all your code and the only odd thing is the /cfoutput just 
after the cfform  I would move that ABOVE The cfform as I don't believe 
it's needed for the #script_name# to be evaluated since it's contained within a 
CF tag (CFFORM).  And that's what could be causing yourp roblem.  I don't see 
anything else wrong with it.  

If that's NOT it, then something else on your page is causing the problem and 
unless you post all the code, we will never be able to help you figure it out.  
Remember, sometimes, the CF error handler does NOT report the correct line 
where the error really is, but instead reports the line where it couldn't 
continue processing (which are not both always one and the same).  

Try moving the /cfoutput above your cfform and if that doesn't work, then 
post your code at http://www.nomorepasting.com and let us know the pasting code 
and we will take a look at it and help you find the culpritwe have all 
banged our heads against our keyboards for times when it took us forever to 
find a simple typo that caused major headaches

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RE: CFEclipse and FTP (was: MM and CFEclipse)

2005-08-11 Thread Calvin Ward
I think the DW type solution is what some folks are looking for.

It never occurred to me to check out from SC direct to prod. 

In our current operation we check out from sc to local, change files and
deploy to dev for initial teating, then migrate up to test (for QA/UAT) and
then to prod environments.

I didn't think that was atypical...

- Calvin
 

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Nope, it doesn't.  The FTP view is for editing remote files in-place, not
for standard FTP operations.

cheers,
barneyb

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 Does CFE have a simple to use FTP like in DreamWeaver? I want a key 
 combination shortcut like in DW. Ctr+U saves and uploads at the same 
 time.
 
 Last time I looked at CFE, FTP was still a pain to use.
 
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Rick Root
 Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image 
 anytime.

Cuz god only knows nobody should ever want to put an image into a web 
page.  They should always have to call the server administrator in order 
to do so.

I guess that's a fine idea if you don't care about usability or 
flexibility.  What an incredibly user-unfriendly viewpoint.

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RE: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
Somebody needs to keep a control on job security... ;-)

Dave

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
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 Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image 
 anytime.

Cuz god only knows nobody should ever want to put an image into a web 
page.  They should always have to call the server administrator in order 
to do so.

I guess that's a fine idea if you don't care about usability or 
flexibility.  What an incredibly user-unfriendly viewpoint.

Rick




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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

2005-08-11 Thread Brian Klaas
If you're going to stay a couple extra days, get out of Anaheim/LA proper
and head to the coast. You could go north towards Santa Barbara and San
Louis Obsispo and the Southern California wine country (where much of the
movie Sideways was filmed). You could go South and drive along Highway 1
through Huntington, Newport and Laguna Beaches and on in to Dana Point and
Carlsbad and then San Diego. I highly recommend that you spend at least an
afternoon along Highway 1 (in spite of the 5pm traffic jams around Laguna
Beach). It's an awesome drive with great places to stop and eat and drink.

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Russ Michaels
There is an opening cfouput in the code above the cfform (not posted as it's
just a bunnch of cfsets and cfparams and comments), and I have tried moving
the cfoutputs around as well.

Russ 

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Sent: 11 August 2005 12:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

cfform action=#script_name#?action=domains.default method=POST
name=domainform
/cfoutput

I looked through all your code and the only odd thing is the /cfoutput
just after the cfform  I would move that ABOVE The cfform as I don't
believe it's needed for the #script_name# to be evaluated since it's
contained within a CF tag (CFFORM).  And that's what could be causing yourp
roblem.  I don't see anything else wrong with it.  

If that's NOT it, then something else on your page is causing the problem
and unless you post all the code, we will never be able to help you figure
it out.  Remember, sometimes, the CF error handler does NOT report the
correct line where the error really is, but instead reports the line where
it couldn't continue processing (which are not both always one and the
same).  

Try moving the /cfoutput above your cfform and if that doesn't work,
then post your code at http://www.nomorepasting.com and let us know the
pasting code and we will take a look at it and help you find the
culpritwe have all banged our heads against our keyboards for times when
it took us forever to find a simple typo that caused major headaches

Dave

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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Raymond Camden
I'll ditto the It Depends comment, and also ditto the Model-Glue
recommendation. I'm really digging MG so far.

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 Model-glue = more gooder.
 
 Though, I agree with Barney and Joe, the answer really is, 'It depends'.
 
 On what? Well, the type of application, what level of OO experience you
 have, stuff like that.
 
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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
I understand that, but my point is I don't think you need the /cfoutput AFTER 
the cfform.  In any case, if moving it above cfform didn't solve the 
problem, then the typo is somewhere else in your code and we're not going to be 
able to help unless you can post all the code in the template AND maybe post 
your exact error message again (all of it).

Dave

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error


There is an opening cfouput in the code above the cfform (not posted as it's
just a bunnch of cfsets and cfparams and comments), and I have tried moving
the cfoutputs around as well.

Russ 

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Sent: 11 August 2005 12:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

cfform action=#script_name#?action=domains.default method=POST
name=domainform
/cfoutput

I looked through all your code and the only odd thing is the /cfoutput
just after the cfform  I would move that ABOVE The cfform as I don't
believe it's needed for the #script_name# to be evaluated since it's
contained within a CF tag (CFFORM).  And that's what could be causing yourp
roblem.  I don't see anything else wrong with it.  

If that's NOT it, then something else on your page is causing the problem
and unless you post all the code, we will never be able to help you figure
it out.  Remember, sometimes, the CF error handler does NOT report the
correct line where the error really is, but instead reports the line where
it couldn't continue processing (which are not both always one and the
same).  

Try moving the /cfoutput above your cfform and if that doesn't work,
then post your code at http://www.nomorepasting.com and let us know the
pasting code and we will take a look at it and help you find the
culpritwe have all banged our heads against our keyboards for times when
it took us forever to find a simple typo that caused major headaches

Dave

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
FYI - when I run that code you gave us without the /cfoutput below the 
cfform I don't get the error message.  I would look above your cfform for 
the error and definitely move the /cfoutput above it. 

Hope this helps.

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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Will Tomlinson
I just think it's great that we have such a choice with CF. We argue (converse) 
about which one is BEST! That's what makes it so powerful. You can be an 
amateur like me and code the basics, orrr you can code like lots of you 
guys do.  

BTW, I don't use any of them. My apps are usually too basic to need them.  :)

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Russ Michaels
As my CFFORM action has a coldfusion variable in it

cfform action=#script_name#?action=domains.default method=POST
name=domainform

A cfoutput is required. Otherwise what will happen is that the actual text
#script_name# will be output instead of it's value.

As I stated in another reply, I have tried moving the cfoutputs, and evenin
getting rid of them altogether to see if that was the problem, and it
wasn;t.

Russ
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 August 2005 13:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

I understand that, but my point is I don't think you need the /cfoutput
AFTER the cfform.  In any case, if moving it above cfform didn't solve
the problem, then the typo is somewhere else in your code and we're not
going to be able to help unless you can post all the code in the template
AND maybe post your exact error message again (all of it).

Dave

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error


There is an opening cfouput in the code above the cfform (not posted as it's
just a bunnch of cfsets and cfparams and comments), and I have tried moving
the cfoutputs around as well.

Russ 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

cfform action=#script_name#?action=domains.default method=POST
name=domainform
/cfoutput

I looked through all your code and the only odd thing is the /cfoutput
just after the cfform  I would move that ABOVE The cfform as I don't
believe it's needed for the #script_name# to be evaluated since it's
contained within a CF tag (CFFORM).  And that's what could be causing yourp
roblem.  I don't see anything else wrong with it.  

If that's NOT it, then something else on your page is causing the problem
and unless you post all the code, we will never be able to help you figure
it out.  Remember, sometimes, the CF error handler does NOT report the
correct line where the error really is, but instead reports the line where
it couldn't continue processing (which are not both always one and the
same).  

Try moving the /cfoutput above your cfform and if that doesn't work,
then post your code at http://www.nomorepasting.com and let us know the
pasting code and we will take a look at it and help you find the
culpritwe have all banged our heads against our keyboards for times when
it took us forever to find a simple typo that caused major headaches

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
A cfoutput is required. Otherwise what will happen is that the actual text
#script_name# will be output instead of it's value.

Russ,

Look, I'm trying to help here.  I told you before that you don't need to put 
the cfoutput around the cfform to have the #script_name# evaluated.  It 
will evaluate just fine because it is IN a CF TAG (cfform).  If you were just 
using form action=#script_name#... then you WOULD need a cfoutput around 
it, but since you're using CFFORM, you don't.

I tested it to be sure I'm write and the script_name evaluates fine WITHOUT any 
CFOUTPUT.  

As I stated in another reply, I have tried moving the cfoutputs, and evenin
getting rid of them altogether to see if that was the problem, and it
wasn;t.

However, I have also acknowledged that you moved the cfoutput's 'around' 
(although I don't know where you moved them) and that to help you, you need to 
post all the code for the template.

Remember, I'm trying to help you solve a problem.  The more information you can 
provide, the better job I can do.  If you don't want help, then just don't 
reply.

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Re: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Charlie Griefer
On 8/11/05, Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As my CFFORM action has a coldfusion variable in it
 
 cfform action=#script_name#?action=domains.default method=POST
 name=domainform
 
 A cfoutput is required. Otherwise what will happen is that the actual text
 #script_name# will be output instead of it's value.

The error message notwithstanding...the statement above is incorrect.

As a value of an attribute of a CF tag...it will be evaluated if
surrounded by # signs (the cfoutput/cfoutput is completely
unnecessary).

As far as the error message goes...I still don't see anything glaring.
 My suggestion would be to remove everything between the
cfform/cfform tags, and add code line by line if necessary,
testing each time to see at what point it breaks.

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easily question. could someone rewrite this line so it works in a cfscript block?

2005-08-11 Thread Che Vilnonis
how would this be written using cfscript?

cfloop collection=#stShoppingCart# item=x
blah,blah
/cfloop

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Russ Michaels
Sorry, I have actually replaced the CFFORM with a FORM tag since, and [EMAIL 
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why the cfoutput is there.
When I pasted the code here I just edited it back to CFFORM. 

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Sent: 11 August 2005 14:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

A cfoutput is required. Otherwise what will happen is that the actual 
text #script_name# will be output instead of it's value.

Russ,

Look, I'm trying to help here.  I told you before that you don't need to put
the cfoutput around the cfform to have the #script_name# evaluated.  It
will evaluate just fine because it is IN a CF TAG (cfform).  If you were
just using form action=#script_name#... then you WOULD need a cfoutput
around it, but since you're using CFFORM, you don't.

I tested it to be sure I'm write and the script_name evaluates fine WITHOUT
any CFOUTPUT.  

As I stated in another reply, I have tried moving the cfoutputs, and 
evenin getting rid of them altogether to see if that was the problem, 
and it wasn;t.

However, I have also acknowledged that you moved the cfoutput's 'around'
(although I don't know where you moved them) and that to help you, you need
to post all the code for the template.

Remember, I'm trying to help you solve a problem.  The more information you
can provide, the better job I can do.  If you don't want help, then just
don't reply.

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Re: easily question. could someone rewrite this line so it works in a cfscript block?

2005-08-11 Thread Charlie Griefer
for (x in stShoppingCart) {
 writeOutput(x);   // struct key name
 writeOutput(stShoppingCart[x]);   // struct key value
}

On 8/11/05, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 how would this be written using cfscript?
 
 cfloop collection=#stShoppingCart# item=x
 blah,blah
 /cfloop
 
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RE: easily question. could someone rewrite this line so it works in a cfscript block?

2005-08-11 Thread Che Vilnonis
thanks.

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:29 AM
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Subject: Re: easily question. could someone rewrite this line so it
works in a cfscript block?


for (x in stShoppingCart) {
 writeOutput(x);   // struct key name
 writeOutput(stShoppingCart[x]);   // struct key value
}

On 8/11/05, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 how would this be written using cfscript?

 cfloop collection=#stShoppingCart# item=x
 blah,blah
 /cfloop

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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
Ahhh, okay, so is everything working for you now?

Dave

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Sorry, I have actually replaced the CFFORM with a FORM tag since, and [EMAIL 
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When I pasted the code here I just edited it back to CFFORM. 
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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?

2005-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
Is full of garbage and this topic relates to Coldfusion.
 

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CFCommunity?

I don't know whether you've been to MAX before or noticed, but Michael and Judy 
put on what's called the CF-Community Suite at MAX every year. I think that is 
what he was referring to.

As for CF-Community being full of garbage, well that's your very incorrect 
opinion. 

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RE: stupid simple piece of javascript code

2005-08-11 Thread SStewart
Thanks all..

sas

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Importance: Low

if ((theForm.send_email.value != 
theForm.v_sendemail.value)||(theForm.ecs_email.value != 
theForm.v_ecsName.value))**ERROR**;**ERROR*

You don't put a ; at the end of the if clause.  It end the entire if/else 
block leaving the rest flapping in the wind.

Most likely a typo, but of archive sake added an explanation.
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RE: CFFORM error

2005-08-11 Thread Russ Michaels
Ok I thought I had removed the cfoutput when I converted from FROM to
CFFORM, but I guess I didn't LOL!
Altho why that should cause such an error is strange.

Russ 

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Sorry, I have actually replaced the CFFORM with a FORM tag since, and [EMAIL 
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why the cfoutput is there.
When I pasted the code here I just edited it back to CFFORM. 

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Sent: 11 August 2005 14:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

A cfoutput is required. Otherwise what will happen is that the actual 
text #script_name# will be output instead of it's value.

Russ,

Look, I'm trying to help here.  I told you before that you don't need to put
the cfoutput around the cfform to have the #script_name# evaluated.  It
will evaluate just fine because it is IN a CF TAG (cfform).  If you were
just using form action=#script_name#... then you WOULD need a cfoutput
around it, but since you're using CFFORM, you don't.

I tested it to be sure I'm write and the script_name evaluates fine WITHOUT
any CFOUTPUT.  

As I stated in another reply, I have tried moving the cfoutputs, and 
evenin getting rid of them altogether to see if that was the problem, 
and it wasn;t.

However, I have also acknowledged that you moved the cfoutput's 'around'
(although I don't know where you moved them) and that to help you, you need
to post all the code for the template.

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don't reply.

Dave

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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Z H
Which method do you recommend for developing a large-scale website/portal?  

MG

Shrug...I don't think there is one.  It depends on what you need.  I
wrote Model-Glue, but I'm sitting here using Fusebox because it makes
the most sense for the project I'm working on.

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Re: CFEclipse and FTP

2005-08-11 Thread Seth Bienek
I just installed a product called WebDrive that lets you map an FTP folder
as a virtual drive in Windoze.. I have read that there's a similar product
for NetWare users called netdrive.exe (which has to come off the Novell
resource disk), so that might be an option for NetWare users that have
access to said disk.

So I've been using WebDrive for a couple of days, and it seems to play
nicely with Eclipse, and I can now edit and save my files directly on the
development server via FTP, just like I had dreamweaver set up.  It even
saves a copy locally in a synch folder, so I have a local backup (works
just like DW's upload on save feature, same shortcut, CTRL-S).

I'm just now getting a chance to explore CF-Eclipse, since the only
practical I have had to my development environment is through ftp, and so
far I'm digging it.  My only complaint is that there doesn't seem to be an
easy way to switch between projects, which was trivial in DW, using the
dropdown above the resource tree in the Files tab.

That is all for now. :)

Seth

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 On 8/2/05, Phill B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does CFE have a simple to use FTP like in DreamWeaver? I want a key
 combination shortcut like in DW. Ctr+U saves and uploads at the same
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Claude Schneegans
a good CMS should NOT allow users to use HTML to fulfill all their
fantasies.

But try telling a 
user their tabulated data can't be entered into the cms (tables are about 
the only way that'll happen)

When I said should NOT allow users to use HTML I was thinking of colors, 
fonts, etc.
If colors are to be used, they should be defined once for all in styles or 
classes
and made available to users this way, not through a color picker.
The color picker however should be available to administrators only to edit the 
styles and classes (I'm working on this part).

Table are to be allowed, for sure, i'm just testing this new feature on my 
editor.

 or that because the Board of Directors wants to 
use Comic Sans in 96-pt Muave for their monthly report's page title that you 
can't accomodate them because only a bad system would allow such a thing...

No, my point is that if the Board of Directors wants to.., you (or they) make 
a class
meeting this demand available to users, you don't let them with just a font
selector and a color picker.

 Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image 
anytime.

 Oh my God! If I were to pick one feature that users were explicitly 
delirious over, and which management expressly listed as a job requirement, 
it would be the ability to upload an image or document (pdf, .doc; .xls or 
somesuch) inline directly into the page via the wysiwyg editor. 

You do it that way, of course, but forget about pages with images or document 
catalog with
titles, descriptions, etc. 
This will still be a CMS, but with no DMS (Document management system).


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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Cuz god only knows nobody should ever want to put an image into a web
page.  They should always have to call the server administrator in order
to do so.

You didn't get the point:
I said that image upload must be done by the CMS, not the HTML editor.

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RE: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Connie DeCinko
Speaking as someone who ran a CMS with 70+ content authors, I could not
agree with you more.  I often found it easier to let the users muck things
up and I would clean it up later.  Less stress and hair pulling out.  No
matter how many times you told them size 6 type is ugly, they'd do it
anyway.  And when they want to get in, post some info and get out in 30
seconds or less, you had better not put up hoops to uploading images.
 

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From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Best Rich Text Editor

 a good CMS should NOT allow users to use HTML to fulfill all their 
 fantasies.
 See, this is -- to me at least -- where the laboratory gets hit smack in
the face with reality. Yes of course styles should rule. But try telling a
user their tabulated data can't be entered into the cms (tables are about
the only way that'll happen) or that because the Board of Directors wants to
use Comic Sans in 96-pt Muave for their monthly report's page title that you
can't accomodate them because only a bad system would allow such a thing... 
Like it or not you have to allow users to muck up their sites if they so
choose and it has nothing to do with whether the cms is saintly or eee-vil.
  Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image
anytime.
 Oh my God! If I were to pick one feature that users were explicitly
delirious over, and which management expressly listed as a job requirement,
it would be the ability to upload an image or document (pdf, .doc; .xls or
somesuch) inline directly into the page via the wysiwyg editor. I used to do
it the way you describe and no, your users won't tolerate it unless you are
the one writing the paychecks, or you have a plant inside management who is
of a like mind and damn the torpedoes.
 Not speaking to you personally, Claude, but it amazes me how parochial and
textbook-oriented so many developers are with respect to what a 'good' CMS
is. A good CMS does what its users want it to do. If it doesn't its a
textbook-correct product sitting on a shelf.
 
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RE: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Connie DeCinko
This is also a good way to avoid popup blocker blues.  Also, you ever work
with a user who just can't figure out where the editing window went, and all
the time, it was behind the page window?
 

-Original Message-
From: Pete Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Best Rich Text Editor

Claude Schneegans wrote:

 - a good HTML Editor should not be embeded in a textarea, instead, it 
 should open a new window which can be resized any sized to resemble 
 the final page the text is intended, otherwise it is not really 
 WYSIWYG.

Here I disagree - the web isn't WYSIWYG anyhow, so giving users the illusion
that it is does no good at all. We do use the target stylesheet in the
fckeditor (or soeditor) iframe, though, so fonts, sizes and colours are as
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Claude Schneegans
 style control in fckeditor works for us.

Yes, it is ok, the only thing I don't like, is that the designer must 
use XML to describe the styles,
not always an easy approach, even developpers are not always familiar 
with XML.
In my editor, (and I'm sure with some others), a regular CSS file can be 
used.

 fckeditor has a paste from
 word function, though I haven't (yet) thrown much horror at it.

Indeed, ... and I scraped some code from it, and added a couple of my own,
like automatic rendering of bullet lists.

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RE: CFEclipse and FTP (was: MM and CFEclipse)

2005-08-11 Thread Connie DeCinko
That's what I want.  When working on simple sites, I want to be able to put
and get with a single click.  I'd love for that ability to be in CFE. 
 
 
Constanty Connie DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Claude Schneegans
 This is also a good way to avoid popup blocker blues. 

I solved this problem with a pop up enabled test on the admin login.
If pop ups are not allowed, the user is sent to a page that explain how 
to allow them
at least for the domain thay are working for.
Don't forget that the CMS is intended to administrators only, and one 
can ask administrators
to use a fully functionnal browser. The also need Javascript enabled 
anyway, so...

 Also, you ever work
 with a user who just can't figure out where the editing window went, 
and all
 the time, it was behind the page window?

Some focus() on some events is the cure.

The most important is to be able to resize the editor window to fit 
reality, especially if you have several
aditable areas in the same form.

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RE: Best Rich Text Editor

2005-08-11 Thread Connie DeCinko
So you have the HTML editor launch the CMS image upload module.  Everyone's
happy.
 

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Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Best Rich Text Editor

 Cuz god only knows nobody should ever want to put an image into a web
page.  They should always have to call the server administrator in order to
do so.

You didn't get the point:
I said that image upload must be done by the CMS, not the HTML editor.




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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 I just think it's great that we have such a choice with
 CF. We argue (converse) about which one is BEST! That's
 what makes it so powerful. You can be an amateur like me
 and code the basics, orrr you can code like lots of
 you guys do.

 BTW, I don't use any of them. My apps are usually too
 basic to need them.  :)

I would say that you haven't noticed yet where a framework would be
handy. :) Not that there aren't apps that are genuinely so simple that
a framework would be useless, but the right framework can help speed
or enhance the development of most apps, even the small ones. And I
readily admit onTap isn't the right framework for every application.
Although personally I think that has more to do with the people
working on it than with the tasks being performed, but that's just an
opinion.


s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

add features without fixtures with
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Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Dawson, Michael
When a form is submitted, the form.fieldNames variable contains the
fields in the same order as they appear on the form page itself.
 
Can I actually always count on this to be true?
 
Is this a per-browser implementation or is it a standard?
 
Is there a good chance that CF will one day sort the field names and
cause my logic to break?
 
Thanks
 
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CF and Novell?

2005-08-11 Thread Kazmierczak, Kevin
Does anyone know of anything out there that will allow CF to talk with
Novell?  They want to avoid creating new logins for a web system.  I
personally have no idea about anything with Novell, but someone asked me
about it.  They were going to try to write a c++ cfx tag to achieve
this, but I though I would find out if anyone else has better ideas.

 

Thanks.

 

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RE: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
Personally, I wouldn't count on it.  That's something out of your control and 
it's always dangerous to 'count on' something out of control.  Besides, as far 
as I know, no one here can tell the future. ;-)

Why would they need to be in a certain order anyway?  What are you trying to 
do?  Maybe there's another solution to your issue.

Dave
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields


When a form is submitted, the form.fieldNames variable contains the
fields in the same order as they appear on the form page itself.
 
Can I actually always count on this to be true?
 
Is this a per-browser implementation or is it a standard?
 
Is there a good chance that CF will one day sort the field names and
cause my logic to break?
 
Thanks
 
M!chael A. Dawson
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Office of Technology Services
University of Evansville
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RE: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Dawson, Michael
We are building a simple form mailer script and would like to email the
form fields in the same order as they appear on the page.

One solution I thought of would be to specify a list of the form fields
in the specific order.  However, that leads to duplication of code and
then what happens when I forget to add a field to the sort order
list?

I, personally, don't like relying on this action, either.  I have full
control over how this will work, but I'm trying to build a solution that
is flexible enough that the web designer can work with.  I'm alright
with trying it, but once the browser/CF fail to send fields in the
desired order, I can figure out a different way.

The web designer used to do it this way and I want to be flexible and
try it, but I can also forsee what happens when you rely on things that
are not part of a standard.

Thanks
M!ke

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Personally, I wouldn't count on it.  That's something out of your
control and it's always dangerous to 'count on' something out of
control.  Besides, as far as I know, no one here can tell the future.
;-)

Why would they need to be in a certain order anyway?  What are you
trying to do?  Maybe there's another solution to your issue.

Dave

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CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Tangorre, Michael
I have JRUN set up and working on Windows XP Pro (my development
workstation). I have CFMX6 and CFMX7 both deployed and seem(ed) to be
working fine. The specific information for each deployment is as
follows:
 
CFMX6: http://localhost:8101/
context path: /
document root: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot
 
CFMX6: http://localhost:8102/
context path: /
document root: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot
 
I ran the IIS connector on both and all went fine. I could log into the
MX6 admin and MX 7 admin no problems. I configured the servers and off I
went.  I dropped a site into the document root (C:\Inetpub\wwwroot) and
tried to access it via the CFMX 6 URL: http://localhost:8101/site/
http://localhost:8101/site/ . The site pulls fine except none of the
CSS, JS, and Image paths appear to be working. When viewing the source,
they all look correct in that they appear as:
 
http://localhost:8101/site/images/...
http://localhost:8101/site/js/...
http://localhost:8101/site/css/...
 
Ok, here is where it gets interesting. In the application.cfm file I
have this:
 
if(CGI.server_port neq 80){
   application.thisServer = LCase(ListFirst(CGI.server_protocol,/)) 
://  CGI.server_name  :  CGI.server_port  /site/;
}
else{
 application.thisServer = LCase(ListFirst(CGI.server_protocol,/)) 
://  CGI.server_name  /site/;
}
 
application.thisServer.js = application.thisServer  js/;
application.thisServer.css = application.thisServer  css/;
application.thisServer.image = application.thisServer  Image/;
 
If I leave the above alone, the page does not render with the images,
js, or css working.
 
If I hard code the path in such that it looks like the following, all
works fine... everything renders and works!:
 
application.thisServer.js = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/js/;
application.thisServer.css = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/css/;;
application.thisServer.image = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/mage/;
 
Any ideas? Is this a JRUN/Site/IIS config issue?
 
TIA,
 
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RE: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Dawson, Michael
Also, let me add that the web designer also wants field names to contain
spaces and colons to help control formatting and other display
properties.

I think this can be pretty flexible, but to me, it seems like a
mish-mash of worst-practices.  ;^)

All in all, the form mailer will only be used by departmental web sites
that just need a quick email form.  This is not intended to be used, at
all, by any real, or mission-critical web sites I build or maintain.
Our dept just doesn't have the time to build every single form and form
processing page that the other depts want.

Mike

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Personally, I wouldn't count on it.  That's something out of your
control and it's always dangerous to 'count on' something out of
control.  Besides, as far as I know, no one here can tell the future.
;-)

Why would they need to be in a certain order anyway?  What are you
trying to do?  Maybe there's another solution to your issue.

Dave

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createObject with Custom constructor

2005-08-11 Thread David Manriquez
hi ppl.

   How i can create an Java Object passing arguments? , i have a class with few 
constructors , but when i use createObject i can't pass arguments.. or at least 
i cant figure out how. the  the object is created with the default constructor.


 Any tips?..

 This in CF5

  

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RE: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Ian Skinner
A little JS would make this pretty easy.  A simple function that is triggered 
on submit of the form could easily parse through the form array and delineate 
the fields into a particular field for this purpose.  This way it is based on 
the structure of the form and does not rely on how the browser, web server and 
app server handle form fields.  Something I would not be comfortable in relying 
on just because of all the possible variations and combinations.

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RE: createObject with Custom constructor

2005-08-11 Thread Ian Skinner
This I think works.

variables.randomAccessFile = createObject(java, java.io.RandomAccessFile);
variables.randomAccessFile.init(variables.file,r);

At least when I forgot the r access type in the init function call I got an 
error something like Could not find Constructor with the combination of 
parameters 'file'; or something to that effect.


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Re: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Robyn
Dawson, Michael wrote:
 One solution I thought of would be to specify a list of the form fields
 in the specific order.  However, that leads to duplication of code and
 then what happens when I forget to add a field to the sort order
 list?

Use JavaScript to traverse through all form fields on submit, and build 
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Re: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Thursday 11 August 2005 16:35, Dawson, Michael wrote:
 mish-mash of worst-practices.  ;^)

 All in all, the form mailer will only be used by departmental web sites
 that just need a quick email form.  This is not intended to be used, at

They don't need the complicated formating controled by form field names then, 
do they :-)

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
With Tiny's plugin authoring capabilities, integrating an existing
spellchecker is literally like 10 lines of code.  We did that for our
main application, and it was a breeze.  Tiny's also got a built-in
plugin for IESpell (which I've never used), and supports the Google
Toolbar's spellchecker (which works very well - much like GMail's).

cheers,
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  our own simple CMS?
 
 Until TinyMCE gets native Spellerpages support, I'll consider
 FCKeditor the go-to WYSIWYG editor.
 
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Re: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Thursday 11 August 2005 16:28, Tangorre, Michael wrote:
 application.thisServer.js = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/js/;

Why are you bothering to prepend the protocol, host etc. ?
application.thisServer.js = '/site/js/';
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Re: CF and Novell?

2005-08-11 Thread John Beynon
didn't Novell go over to LDAP - or I'm pretty sure there is an LDAP plugin for 
Novell, that being the case you can just use CFLDAP thats built into CF

john.


Does anyone know of anything out there that will allow CF to talk with
Novell?  They want to avoid creating new logins for a web system.  I
personally have no idea about anything with Novell, but someone asked me
about it.  They were going to try to write a c++ cfx tag to achieve
this, but I though I would find out if anyone else has better ideas.

 

Thanks.

 

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SOLVED : RE: createObject with Custom constructor

2005-08-11 Thread David Manriquez Farias
Thanks ,

It Works.


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De: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviado el: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:46 AM
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: RE: createObject with Custom constructor

This I think works.

variables.randomAccessFile = createObject(java,
java.io.RandomAccessFile);
variables.randomAccessFile.init(variables.file,r);

At least when I forgot the r access type in the init function call I got
an error something like Could not find Constructor with the combination of
parameters 'file'; or something to that effect.


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RE: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Tangorre, Michael
 From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Why are you bothering to prepend the protocol, host etc. ?
 application.thisServer.js = '/site/js/'; will work just as well.

Im not really concerned with that right now. What I am concerned with is
why a site worked ok on standard install of CFMX but when It gets
deployed onto JRUN it works differently. The application code will be
cleaned up by the original developers once I get the sites moved into
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

2005-08-11 Thread Irvin Gomez
I like FCKEditor v1.6.

Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, fonts, 
colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless and potentially 
dangerous - if given too many options, users will soon destroy the site's look. 
(it should be pointed out that you can always configure the editor's toolbar to 
only include those features you deem appropriate, so using v2 is perfectly ok; 
I don't use it bacause I don't need any of the extra stuff  and I don't feel 
like working on the extensive customization needed to make everything work 
smoothly - a perfect example being the hard-coded upload directories).

There's no right or wrong approach.


Look here for a minimalist view and implementation of a different editor (by 
Massimo Foti, a very knowledgeable guy): 

http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tmt_xhtmleditorPro/


Irvin



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our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never
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RE: Flights to MAX

2005-08-11 Thread Jacob
No.

Fly into SNA.

I live in Orange County.  LAX sucks.

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Re: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Douglas Knudsen
On 8/11/05, Tangorre, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have JRUN set up and working on Windows XP Pro (my development
 workstation). I have CFMX6 and CFMX7 both deployed and seem(ed) to be
 working fine. The specific information for each deployment is as
 follows:
 
 CFMX6: http://localhost:8101/
 context path: /
 document root: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot
 
 CFMX6: http://localhost:8102/
 context path: /
 document root: C:\Inetpub\wwwroot

are these doc roots set in IIS or the JRun instances?  If you have IIS
connectors setup, why are you using the port number of the JRun
instance?

Maybe have website 1 use port 100 in IIS and website 2 use port 200
and have them each 'connected' to the JRun servers ports 8101 and 8102
respectively.

using http://localhost:8102/ uses the internal webserver for the JRun
instance, no IIS at all this way.

DK




 
 I ran the IIS connector on both and all went fine. I could log into the
 MX6 admin and MX 7 admin no problems. I configured the servers and off I
 went.  I dropped a site into the document root (C:\Inetpub\wwwroot) and
 tried to access it via the CFMX 6 URL: http://localhost:8101/site/
 http://localhost:8101/site/ . The site pulls fine except none of the
 CSS, JS, and Image paths appear to be working. When viewing the source,
 they all look correct in that they appear as:
 
 http://localhost:8101/site/images/...
 http://localhost:8101/site/js/...
 http://localhost:8101/site/css/...
 
 Ok, here is where it gets interesting. In the application.cfm file I
 have this:
 
 if(CGI.server_port neq 80){
application.thisServer = LCase(ListFirst(CGI.server_protocol,/)) 
 ://  CGI.server_name  :  CGI.server_port  /site/;
 }
 else{
  application.thisServer = LCase(ListFirst(CGI.server_protocol,/)) 
 ://  CGI.server_name  /site/;
 }
 
 application.thisServer.js = application.thisServer  js/;
 application.thisServer.css = application.thisServer  css/;
 application.thisServer.image = application.thisServer  Image/;
 
 If I leave the above alone, the page does not render with the images,
 js, or css working.
 
 If I hard code the path in such that it looks like the following, all
 works fine... everything renders and works!:
 
 application.thisServer.js = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/js/;
 application.thisServer.css = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/css/;;
 application.thisServer.image = http://127.0.0.1:8101/site/mage/;
 
 Any ideas? Is this a JRUN/Site/IIS config issue?
 
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RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

2005-08-11 Thread Damien McKenna
 -Original Message-
 From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 I like FCKEditor v1.6.

FCKeditor v1 only works with IE.

 Version 2 is out with additional features (like form 
 creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; 
 I consider them useless and potentially dangerous

That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

2005-08-11 Thread Irvin Gomez
Correction: the features I listed as new were there in previous versions. New 
features are flash objects, support for Active FoxPro Pages, etc. 


 I like FCKEditor v1.6.
 
 Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, 
 fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless 
 and potentially dangerous - if given too many options, users will soon 
 destroy the site's look. (it should be pointed out that you can always 
 configure the editor's toolbar to only include those features you deem 
 appropriate, so using v2 is perfectly ok; I don't use it bacause I 
 don't need any of the extra stuff  and I don't feel like working on 
 the extensive customization needed to make everything work smoothly - 
 a perfect example being the hard-coded upload directories).
 
 There's no right or wrong approach.
 
 
 Look here for a minimalist view and implementation of a different 
 editor (by Massimo Foti, a very knowledgeable guy): 
 
 http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tmt_xhtmleditorPro/
 
 
 Irvin
 
 
 
 So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to 
 build
 our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently 
 never
 heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about 
 anymore.
  
  
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 Glendale, Arizona
 www.LoneJet.
com

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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

2005-08-11 Thread Irvin Gomez
Toolbars can be configured in FCKEditor, too. And the new version works on a 
couple other browsers.

TinyMCE is very nice, but the lack of image upload and preview is enough for me 
to not use it. My experience is that clients need and love this feature. Rick 
Root developed a plugin that kind of solves this problem (it lacks image 
preview).

Perhaps TinyMCE has adressed this, in which case it would make sense to give it 
a second look, because it certainly beats FCKEDitor on presentation alone.


 -Original Message-
 From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 I like FCKEditor v1.6.

FCKeditor v1 only works with IE.

 Version 2 is out with additional features (like form 
 creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; 
 I consider them useless and potentially dangerous

That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so
you're not giving people access to completely break everything.

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RE: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
I think that's the best solution too.  This way, you will always have a field 
called something like OrderedFieldNames that will always be in the order of 
the form variables on the form (no matter who changes what).  As long as no one 
ever changes your javascript, your resulting form.OrderedFieldNames variable 
will always have the list in the order in which they were on the page.

One question for someone else, as I don't know the answer... is the order of 
the form fields array in javascript affected by the 'tabindex' property?

Dave

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Consistency of Submitted Form Fields


Dawson, Michael wrote:
 One solution I thought of would be to specify a list of the form fields
 in the specific order.  However, that leads to duplication of code and
 then what happens when I forget to add a field to the sort order
 list?

Use JavaScript to traverse through all form fields on submit, and build 
the list on the fly.  Stick the generated list in a hidden form field 
that you know will always be there.  That way, no issue with forgetting 
to update a field or worrying about form.fieldnames!



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RE: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Tangorre, Michael
 

 From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 are these doc roots set in IIS or the JRun instances?  If you 
 have IIS connectors setup, why are you using the port number 
 of the JRun instance?

To be honest, I have not set this stuff up before. Usually I setup CF
and work right from wwwroot. I am only going through JRUN to explore
some of the options/features that setup provides.

 using http://localhost:8102/ uses the internal webserver for 
 the JRun instance, no IIS at all this way.

This is I did not know... come to think of it, I don't know what the
hell I am doing. :-)

My intention was to have two instances of CF running: 6 and 7; both
pointing to the same webroot. I could then toggle between instances
using the port number in the URL. 

Thanks for the info Doug I will see if I can grasp the JRUN--IIS
connection a little better.

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Re: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Douglas Knudsen
yeah, I run several JRun instances on my PC, one for CF, Flex, JRun
cluster testing, etc.  I never hook IIS into any of them as its just a
dev PC.  All doc roots are under jrun4\servers\servername\app-war\ 
and I access everything via the port for the internal JRun webserver,
in your case the 8101 and 8102 ports.  You can modify the doc root in
the web.xml file IIRC, I never do this though.

Now, you can easily add these to IIS by creating a seperate IIS
website for each, each on a different port, these ports differing from
the JRun ones.  Use jrun4\bin\wsconfing to setup the connector between
the IIS site and the JRun instance.  Then you use the IIS port after
that, not the JRun port, in your URL.

HTH...have fun!

DK

On 8/11/05, Tangorre, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  are these doc roots set in IIS or the JRun instances?  If you
  have IIS connectors setup, why are you using the port number
  of the JRun instance?
 
 To be honest, I have not set this stuff up before. Usually I setup CF
 and work right from wwwroot. I am only going through JRUN to explore
 some of the options/features that setup provides.
 
  using http://localhost:8102/ uses the internal webserver for
  the JRun instance, no IIS at all this way.
 
 This is I did not know... come to think of it, I don't know what the
 hell I am doing. :-)
 
 My intention was to have two instances of CF running: 6 and 7; both
 pointing to the same webroot. I could then toggle between instances
 using the port number in the URL.
 
 Thanks for the info Doug I will see if I can grasp the JRUN--IIS
 connection a little better.
 
 Mike
 
 

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RE: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Russ Michaels
You can install both CFMX6 and CFMX7 standalone and run web sites off
either.
Just remember to install the CFADMIN in a different location for one of
them.

You can then just modify the IIS file mappings to point to whichever version
you want to use for an individual site.

You could also install CFMX7 multi-server, then deploy CFMX6 as an EAR file
on top of it, thus having an instance of CFMX6 on top of JRUN.
I haven't tried this, but it should work in theory.
 
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 August 2005 17:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF/JRUN Path Issues

 

 From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] are these doc 
 roots set in IIS or the JRun instances?  If you have IIS connectors 
 setup, why are you using the port number of the JRun instance?

To be honest, I have not set this stuff up before. Usually I setup CF and
work right from wwwroot. I am only going through JRUN to explore some of the
options/features that setup provides.

 using http://localhost:8102/ uses the internal webserver for the JRun 
 instance, no IIS at all this way.

This is I did not know... come to think of it, I don't know what the hell I
am doing. :-)

My intention was to have two instances of CF running: 6 and 7; both pointing
to the same webroot. I could then toggle between instances using the port
number in the URL. 

Thanks for the info Doug I will see if I can grasp the JRUN--IIS connection
a little better.

Mike



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RE: CF/JRUN Path Issues

2005-08-11 Thread Tangorre, Michael
 From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 yeah, I run several JRun instances on my PC, one for CF, 
 Flex, JRun cluster testing, etc.  I never hook IIS into any 
 of them as its just a dev PC.  All doc roots are under 
 jrun4\servers\servername\app-war\ and I access everything via 
 the port for the internal JRun webserver, in your case the 
 8101 and 8102 ports.  You can modify the doc root in the 
 web.xml file IIRC, I never do this though.

Looks like my config in JRUN is all set then. They are both pointing to
the same doc root. The thing I didn't realize is that I don't even need
IIS! 

 Now, you can easily add these to IIS by creating a seperate 
 IIS website for each, each on a different port, these ports 
 differing from the JRun ones.  Use jrun4\bin\wsconfing to 
 setup the connector between the IIS site and the JRun 
 instance.  Then you use the IIS port after that, not the JRun 
 port, in your URL.

Now that everything is beginning to make sense, I don't care about IIS
on my local dev box as it is just for me! XP doesn't allow multiple
websites anyway on XP Pro so that's a moot point... assuming I don't
want to run each site in a virtual directory which can't be tied to a
port anyway, blah blah, bye bye IIS. In the development lab however, we
are running Windows 2003 Server and I can set things up a bit different.

 HTH...have fun!

Having a blast! Seriously though, thanks for the info/explanations.

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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

2005-08-11 Thread Les Mizzell
 That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so
 you're not giving people access to completely break everything.

I've got one client with a TON of admin forms with FCK all over them. 
The client does *everything* in Word and then paste, and that's why we 
went with FCK. Let's face it, for every line of text, Word is going to 
paste another 5 lines of unwanted junk.  Even though FCK is handling the 
Word stuff pretty well, we *still* get calls from the client going IT'S 
BROKE!! WHAT'S WRONG?!?!?

Uh, Dude, quite pasting from Word and that will take care of your problem.

But, this is a big legal firm and they aren't going to do it any other 
way. Period.

We've turned a few FCK features off, as we don't want to give them the 
chance to completely screw everything and the CSS Style sheet running 
the pages that display the stuff they input is downright scary since 
we're trying to override stuff from Word that the FCK Editor Wrod 
Cleanup still leaves in there.

So, I *LIKE* the way TinyMCE looks, and it's certainly lighter and 
faster to load. How's it handle pasting from Word? I've haven't gotten 
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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
Same answer: it depends.  In this case it depends on the dev team
and their experience, whether you need a 100% separate between UI and
application (for multiple UIs) or if a little (or a lot) fudging is
ok, etc.  There is rarely a simple answer.

If you pick one framework and always use it, you'd doing yourself a
great service.  If you want to go the next step and be familiar with
several and pick the best one for each project, that's even better. 
But don't try the latter without a legitimate investigation of the
pros and cons of each framework, including building at least one
complete app with each on you're considering.

Personally, I'd go with Fusebox 3 and a CFC backend with 100%
separation between UI and application, because that's what I'm most
familiar with, and I rarely run into problems that don't have a ready
solution.  Of course, it might take all of 20 seconds to learn a
little bit more about the app in question and realize that's a bad
choice, so it's really up in the air.

cheers,
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OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Jeff W
Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6, 
firefox and NS8??

document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';

CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of the 
TD background color I am changing. 

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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Jim Campbell
Does it matter if you put the element ID in quotes?

getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell)...

- Jim

Jeff W wrote:

Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6, 
firefox and NS8??

document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';

CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of the 
TD background color I am changing. 

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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
NS6 was a bastard that didn't work.  Did you try backgroundColor?

cheers,
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On 8/11/05, Jeff W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6,
 firefox and NS8??
 
 document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';
 
 CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of the
 TD background color I am changing.
 
 Thanks..
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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Charlie Griefer
if it's a literal ID value, then yes, he'd need quotes.  I'm guessing
it's a variable.

Try backgroundColor (note the casing) instead of background.

On 8/11/05, Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does it matter if you put the element ID in quotes?
 
 getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell)...
 
 - Jim
 
 Jeff W wrote:
 
 Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6,
 firefox and NS8??
 
 document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';
 
 CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of the
 TD background color I am changing.
 
 Thanks..
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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Ray Champagne
Barney Boisvert wrote:
 NS6 was a bastard that didn't work.  

He he, I have an uncle like that.

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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
Who you hope doesn't subscribe to this list.. ;)

On 8/11/05, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Barney Boisvert wrote:
  NS6 was a bastard that didn't work.
 
 He he, I have an uncle like that.
 
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RE: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
Jeff:

I couldn't say for sure, but you might try using backgroundColor instead
of background as in:


document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.backgroundColor='#0066
00';

The background property (both in JS and CSS) is really a short-hand way of
styling every aspect of the background (color, image, repeat, etc.).
Perhaps NS6.1 has a problem with the short-hand JS property.

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 Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6,
 firefox and NS8??

 document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='
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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Jeff W
Its a variable..

On 8/11/05, Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Does it matter if you put the element ID in quotes?
 
 getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell)...
 
 - Jim
 
 Jeff W wrote:
 
 Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6,
 firefox and NS8??
 
 document.getElementById
 (CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';
 
 CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of the
 TD background color I am changing.
 
 Thanks..
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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Jeff W
I'll try the backgroundColor and give that a whirl...
Thanks,

Jeff

On 8/11/05, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 if it's a literal ID value, then yes, he'd need quotes. I'm guessing
 it's a variable.
 
 Try backgroundColor (note the casing) instead of background.
 
 On 8/11/05, Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Does it matter if you put the element ID in quotes?
 
  getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell)...
 
  - Jim
 
  Jeff W wrote:
 
  Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in ie5-6,
  firefox and NS8??
  
  document.getElementById
 (CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';
  
  CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of 
 the
  TD background color I am changing.
  
  Thanks..
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Help/Tools to diagnose strange DSN/Database connection issue.

2005-08-11 Thread Ian Skinner
This morning we started experiencing a problem where whenever we tried to 
connect to a certain Oracle DSN, the CPU on the ColdFusion (jrun.exe) server 
spikes to 100% and stays there until the CF service is restarted.

The database server seems to be working correctly as applications that directly 
connect to it are up and running.

The ColdFusion and web server seem to work fine as long as one does not go to 
any pages that tries to connect to this database.

The DSN checks out as OK in the CF Administrator.

We have just confirmed that a second CF/Web server also experiences the 100% 
CPU issue when connecting to this one database.

What can we do to see what is going on between the servers, since the problem 
does not seem to be at either end.


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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex

2005-08-11 Thread John Olmstead
 What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF 
 with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to 
 work some up and send them out.


I think I can help Bryan out here.  Laszlo was built primarily for the 
presentation layer of application development.  To that use, it has features 
that make it a powerful and compelling environment for client application 
development.  Features of the Laszlo language include data binding, 
constraints, events, delegation, extensibility, ECMAScript, layouts,... plus 
all the features you'd expect in a media rich client development language.

Laszlo does not provide a middleware solution.  However, since it uses 
standards such as XML over HTTP, SOAP, and XML-RPC, it can be used with ANY 
sever technology that supports these standards, including ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, 
JSP, Java servlets, SOAP, RPC, CGI,... etc.  To build your this layer in 
ColdFusion, you would need to create a ColdFusion script that responds to an 
HTTP request, extracting info from the query string, querying a data base, and 
returning the data as XML.  

That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and currently do 
not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide any examples.  
However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform all of the 
necessary functions.  There are many good tutorials on ColdFusion available on 
the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer should be able to implement 
XML services with ease.  

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Re: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Jeff W
Well isn't NS6.1 odd

It appears that BOTH my example and the new.backgroundColor example work and 
don't work...

As if you couldn't tell this is a background cell changer. ...and this code 
is firing on the ONCLICK of each cell :) Here is the weirdness...

Say I have 3 cells wide table... Each named menu_item1, menu_item2 and 
menu_item3 respectively. This code reverts the previous cell to the original 
cell color and is part of the code to chage the newly clicked cell to a 
different color..

document.getElementById
(CurrentHighlightedCell).style.backgroundColor='#006600';

Say I click through each cell consecutively. menu_item1, menu_item2 and then 
menu_item3 it changes each cell to the new color and the code above 
CORRECLTY changes the color back on the previous cell. That works perfect.

Now the weirdness.. Say I click on menu_item3, it changes menu_item1 back to 
the original color fine... but then I click on menu_item2, it DOES NOT 
change the color back on menu_item3 using the above code. I double checked 
and the variables are correct.. Very odd... IS there another DOM way to 
reference this?

Jeff



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 I'll try the backgroundColor and give that a whirl...
 Thanks,
 
 Jeff
 
 On 8/11/05, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  if it's a literal ID value, then yes, he'd need quotes. I'm guessing
  it's a variable.
  
  Try backgroundColor (note the casing) instead of background.
  
  On 8/11/05, Jim Campbell  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Does it matter if you put the element ID in quotes?
  
   getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell)...
  
   - Jim
  
   Jeff W wrote:
   
   Can anyone tell me WHY this won't work in NS6.1 but work fine in 
  ie5-6,
   firefox and NS8??
   
   document.getElementById
  (CurrentHighlightedCell).style.background='#006600';

   CurrentHighlightedCell is a variable that contains the current id of 
  the
   TD background color I am changing.
   
   Thanks..
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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex

2005-08-11 Thread John Olmstead
 Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially 
 with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or 
 fitting look then flex is the choice.

As software engineer and a member of the team that built Earthlink's new Laszlo 
based web mail product (now in Beta), I can say that this statement is 
absolutely incorrect.  Earthlink wanted a look-and-feel entirely their own, so 
every component in the application was customized specifically for the product. 
  Since all Laszlo components are open source and defined in the Laszlo 
language, they can be easily re-skinned, customized, or extended.  Defining 
your own custom components from scratch is also not only possible, but fairly 
straight forward given the powerful capabilities of the Laszlo language.

Having never used Flex, I can't speak to its capabilities.  I however have yet 
to see an example of a Flex application that rivals Laszlo.

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Re: Help/Tools to diagnose strange DSN/Database connection issue.

2005-08-11 Thread Douglas Knudsen
have you tried connecting to htis Oracle DB via SQL+?   first thing I
would try and do.  also, tnsping it to make sure the listner is up and
alert.


DK

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 The database server seems to be working correctly as applications that 
 directly connect to it are up and running.
 
 The ColdFusion and web server seem to work fine as long as one does not go to 
 any pages that tries to connect to this database.
 
 The DSN checks out as OK in the CF Administrator.
 
 We have just confirmed that a second CF/Web server also experiences the 100% 
 CPU issue when connecting to this one database.
 
 What can we do to see what is going on between the servers, since the problem 
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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex

2005-08-11 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and 
 currently do not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide 
 any examples.  However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform 
 all of the necessary functions.  There are many good tutorials on 
 ColdFusion available on the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer 
 should be able to implement XML services with ease.


I hear ya John...and thanks for the info.

I do wonder what happened to that Lazlo guy that called me and said he'd 
send some CF specific code examples?? ;-)

It really would make the whole product investigation far easier on all 
developers if there were language specific examples.  I could understand 
Lazlo may want to keep the focus on it's own languagebut for those of us 
that are SUPER busy, examples in our own langauge make a quick assessment 
MUCH easier.just a  thought ;-)

As it stands now I just don't have the time to sort out how it would all 
work for meI'll have to place it on the back burner until I have some 
spare time (whatever that is...hehe)

Cheers

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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex

2005-08-11 Thread Jim Campbell
Something else to take into account... If you're working with the 
OpenLaszlo server deployment via a servlet container or enterprise Java 
server, you should be able to access CFC methods directly from a Java 
class through the new CFCProxy doodad once Merrimack is out.  I think.

- Jim

John Olmstead wrote:

What Bryan was asking Laszlo for was a collection of example using CF 
with a Laszlo app. None of the demos provide that, so he's asked them to 
work some up and send them out.
  


I think I can help Bryan out here.  Laszlo was built primarily for the 
presentation layer of application development.  To that use, it has features 
that make it a powerful and compelling environment for client application 
development.  Features of the Laszlo language include data binding, 
constraints, events, delegation, extensibility, ECMAScript, layouts,... plus 
all the features you'd expect in a media rich client development language.

Laszlo does not provide a middleware solution.  However, since it uses 
standards such as XML over HTTP, SOAP, and XML-RPC, it can be used with ANY 
sever technology that supports these standards, including ColdFusion, PHP, 
ASP, JSP, Java servlets, SOAP, RPC, CGI,... etc.  To build your this layer in 
ColdFusion, you would need to create a ColdFusion script that responds to an 
HTTP request, extracting info from the query string, querying a data base, and 
returning the data as XML.  

That said, I have not developed in ColdFusion for some years, and currently do 
not own a license for the server, so I am not able to provide any examples.  
However, I do know that ColdFusion provides tags to perform all of the 
necessary functions.  There are many good tutorials on ColdFusion available on 
the web, and any experienced ColdFusion developer should be able to implement 
XML services with ease.  

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Re: Open Lazlo vs. Flex

2005-08-11 Thread Douglas Knudsen
that calendar tool example simply rawks!  I have heard several in the
Flex community wanting one of those  :)

DK

On 8/11/05, John Olmstead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Laszlo also doesnt support the same type of customization especially
  with components that flex does so if you need a completely custom or
  fitting look then flex is the choice.
 
 As software engineer and a member of the team that built Earthlink's new 
 Laszlo based web mail product (now in Beta), I can say that this statement is 
 absolutely incorrect.  Earthlink wanted a look-and-feel entirely their own, 
 so every component in the application was customized specifically for the 
 product.   Since all Laszlo components are open source and defined in the 
 Laszlo language, they can be easily re-skinned, customized, or extended.  
 Defining your own custom components from scratch is also not only possible, 
 but fairly straight forward given the powerful capabilities of the Laszlo 
 language.
 
 Having never used Flex, I can't speak to its capabilities.  I however have 
 yet to see an example of a Flex application that rivals Laszlo.
 
 John Olmstead
 Software Engineer
 Laszlo Systems
 
 

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FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Asim Manzur
Hi,
What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop over) 
and put it on the session.
or maybe put the whole form object into session something like that.
 I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code
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RE: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Dawson, Michael
cfset session.form = form

M!ke

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: FORM scope into SESSION

Hi,
What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop
over) and put it on the session.
or maybe put the whole form object into session something like that.
 I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code
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web service error best practices

2005-08-11 Thread Bryan Stevenson
I know...another best practices thread ;-)

I'm wondering how others out there are handling argument types for web services?

Typically if an argument is meant to be numeric you would code it as such.  Now 
if someone calling the webservice were to pass in a string instead of a number 
and error would be thrown.

I'm guessing depending on the langauge consuming the web service the error they 
get will differ??

Will that error likley tell them they passed an invalid typed argument? or 
would it be tough to determine what went wrong?

Would it be better/worse to simply make that argument accept a string and then 
in the method make sure it's a number and if not return a meaningful error 
message (so no real error occurs)?  or is it better to leave it up to the web 
service consumers to try/catch errors in their own dang app and read the web 
service specs to know what kind of arguments are to be passed? ;-)

thoughts??

TIA

Cheers

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Re: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Charlie Griefer
easiest?
cfset session.myFormStuff = duplicate(form) /

On 8/11/05, Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop over)
 and put it on the session.
 or maybe put the whole form object into session something like that.
  I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code
 --
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RE: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
CFLOCK SCOPE=session TYPE=exclusive TIMEOUT=10
CFSET session.formvars = Duplicate(form) 
/CFLOCK

That should work.

Dave

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Hi,
What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop over) 
and put it on the session.
or maybe put the whole form object into session something like that.
 I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code
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Re: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Rick Root
Asim Manzur wrote:
 Hi,
 What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop over) 
 and put it on the session.
 or maybe put the whole form object into session something like that.
  I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code

doesn't this work?

cfset session.form = form

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Re: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
or cfset structAppend(session, form, true) /, for the former.

On 8/11/05, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 cfset session.form = form
 
 M!ke
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: FORM scope into SESSION
 
 Hi,
 What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop
 over) and put it on the session.
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  I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code
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Re: web service error best practices

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
Let them deal with it.  I suspect that CF will automatically convert
string arguments to numeric, just like it does internally, but I don't
know for sure.  Either way, it's up to the WS client to make sure
they're calling the service in the right way.  The error message
should come from the type-checker on their end, not from your server,
at least if they're using a strongly typed language.  If not, then
they'll get a type error from CF, and it should be equally
communicative of what went wrong.

cheers,
barneyb

On 8/11/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know...another best practices thread ;-)
 
 I'm wondering how others out there are handling argument types for web 
 services?
 
 Typically if an argument is meant to be numeric you would code it as such.  
 Now if someone calling the webservice were to pass in a string instead of a 
 number and error would be thrown.
 
 I'm guessing depending on the langauge consuming the web service the error 
 they get will differ??
 
 Will that error likley tell them they passed an invalid typed argument? or 
 would it be tough to determine what went wrong?
 
 Would it be better/worse to simply make that argument accept a string and 
 then in the method make sure it's a number and if not return a meaningful 
 error message (so no real error occurs)?  or is it better to leave it up to 
 the web service consumers to try/catch errors in their own dang app and read 
 the web service specs to know what kind of arguments are to be passed? ;-)
 
 thoughts??
 
 TIA
 
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Re: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Charlie Griefer
On 8/11/05, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Asim Manzur wrote:
  Hi,
  What is the easiest way to take all the form variables (probably loop over)
  and put it on the session.
  or maybe put the whole form object into session something like that.
   I appriciate if someone can provide some sample code
 
 doesn't this work?
 
 cfset session.form = form

Michael Dawson posted the same thing above...and it got me thinking.  Dunno :)

Would it create a deep copy?  or would it just create a copy by
reference?  and if the latter...would it be available beyond the
form's action page?

(i suppose i could write some code and figure it out...easier to wait
for somebody smarter than me to answer tho) :)

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RE: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Ian Skinner
IIRC I ran into that vary problem.  Session.form = form does indeed just create 
a reference and I believe it caused me problems.  Session.form = 
duplicate(form) does create a deep copy and is the solution I came to use, I 
believe.

Sorry for the imprecise details.  Hectic day, oracle database not talk to my 
website, causing all sorts of problems.  

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Re: web service error best practices

2005-08-11 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 Let them deal with it.  I suspect that CF will automatically convert
 string arguments to numeric, just like it does internally, but I don't
 know for sure.  Either way, it's up to the WS client to make sure
 they're calling the service in the right way.  The error message
 should come from the type-checker on their end, not from your server,
 at least if they're using a strongly typed language.  If not, then
 they'll get a type error from CF, and it should be equally
 communicative of what went wrong.

 cheers,
 barneyb

Thank Barney...I was leaning the same waymake the service function as 
advertisedif they don't pay attention then kablooey ;-)

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RE: OT: Javascript browser compatibility question.

2005-08-11 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum
Jeff:

Barring a browser bug (which is certainly possible), the likely culprit is a
slight logic error with the JavaScript code.  If you post the relevant code,
I'm sure the list can review it for you.

As to alternative ways of doing it, you might want to try change the cell's
Class instead of actually changing a style.  This is more CSS-compliant and,
via CSS, much easier to modify later down the line.  For example, you might
have the following CSS:

TD {
background-color: #006600;
}

TD.Highlighted {
background-color: #FF;
}

and the following JavaScript code:
document.getElementById(CurrentHighlightedCell).className = '';
document.getElementById(NewHighlightedCell).className = 'Highlighted';

This way, should you ever decide to change the color of the highlighted or
non-highlighted cells, you just have to change a couple of lines in the CSS
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Jeff W wrote:
 It appears that BOTH my example and the new.backgroundColor
 example work and don't work...

 As if you couldn't tell this is a background cell changer. ...and
 this code is firing on the ONCLICK of each cell :) Here is the
weirdness...

 Say I have 3 cells wide table... Each named menu_item1, menu_item2 and
 menu_item3 respectively. This code reverts the previous cell to
 the original cell color and is part of the code to chage the newly clicked
 cell to a different color..

 document.getElementById
 (CurrentHighlightedCell).style.backgroundColor='#006600';

 Say I click through each cell consecutively. menu_item1, menu_item2 and
then
 menu_item3 it changes each cell to the new color and the code above
 CORRECLTY changes the color back on the previous cell. That works perfect.

 Now the weirdness.. Say I click on menu_item3, it changes menu_item1 back
to
 the original color fine... but then I click on menu_item2, it DOES NOT
 change the color back on menu_item3 using the above code. I double checked
 and the variables are correct.. Very odd... IS there another DOM way to
 reference this?



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Re: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Charlie Griefer
Just ran a quick test to confirm and it does seem that cfset
session.myForm = form / creates a copy by reference...and it will not
persist beyond the form's action page.

Doing a cfdump var=#session# after the action page shows that the
structure key still exists...but it contains an empty structure.

On 8/11/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 IIRC I ran into that vary problem.  Session.form = form does indeed just 
 create a reference and I believe it caused me problems.  Session.form = 
 duplicate(form) does create a deep copy and is the solution I came to use, I 
 believe.
 
 Sorry for the imprecise details.  Hectic day, oracle database not talk to my 
 website, causing all sorts of problems.
 
 HTH
 
 
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RE: FORM scope into SESSION

2005-08-11 Thread Ian Skinner
Doing a cfdump var=#session# after the action page shows that the structure 
key still exists...but it contains an empty structure.


If you still want to play, you might want to see what happens if you create 
another form and action.  I think I remember the CF apparently uses the same 
memory for all forms.  So if you create the reference session.form point it to 
one form, move on and create and post a new form, session.form will then point 
to the new forms data.

I think! Maybe!!

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SOT: tr and style=border...

2005-08-11 Thread Dave.Phillips
Hi everyone,

I'm really wondering something.I found that Internet Explorer doesn't 
support using the css border settings on a tr element.  

Anyone know of a good reason why?  It doesn't make any sense to me.  Also, I'm 
curious if other browsers support it.  Doesn't seem to be a bug as The style 
properties on the tr element in the MSDN tech stuff does not list the border 
settings as options (border, border-left, border-right, border-top, 
border-bottom).

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