RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
The Javascript Cookbook from O'Reilly. It gets you right into the meat of the matter with very little fuss. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Gotcha...I guess sooner or later I'm gonna have to break down and find a Javascript for Dummies and subdue this gorilla. If you were about to start a JS-learning journey, where would you turn first? Rick -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? If you mean I can't climb very high up a corporate ladder, No no, what I mean is that dynamic HTML on the server side is pretty good, but there are also things that just can't be done efficiently on server side. Take dynamic menus, online editing, just to name a few. All these take Javascript. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222548 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, can only improve your capabilities and employablity -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222485 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
My first AJAX interaction (which was very simple) took me about 15 minutes to complete from googling the term to implementation. Granted I already have exposure to Javascript, but it is worth it. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. No...you're absolutely right. I know that AS, JS, and AJAX are outside my domain, experience, and comfort zone. I come at this not from a programmer for a corporation, where my job may depend on knowing some of this stuff. The sites I build are dynamic using CF, but no other languages. I'm a one-man shop with relatively small-time clients who don't even know what a dynamic site is until I introduce it to them. Being an independent designer/programmer (CF), without a salary, I have to work project to project for income and none of my clients are asking for Rich Client apps...but some are asking for office apps to use in-house to replace software. I'm always looking for better ways to do that, but at a reasonable cost / effort perspective. They have no demands for Rich Clients, but I often sell solutions I develop before clients know they need them. But some solutions are just too costly to work on. (Time mainly, which translates to income) The question I'm asking myself is would something like inline frames suffice for now, since they're easily implemented? I'm doing the same sort of thing with CFINCLUDEs for tables, etc., instead making clients go to another page to fill out a form, I just CFINCLUDE the form on the page when they click the Add Account link. Looks to me like the only thing refreshed is the DIV I'd placed the table in. (Just been playing around with DIV's as containers) Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Well, JS remoting capabilities have been around since the late ninties, so it's hardly new technology. I'm not sure why there's been a sudden upsurge in interest, because it's certainly not a new concept, and has been used all over the place for many years. I think the word AJAX has some subconcious appeal to people, because that's all it is: a buzzword. There is no such thing as AJAX technology, no versions of it, nothing. I'll certainly agree that IFRAMEs are easier to understand than JS remoting, but then, a steak knife is easier to understand than a compound miter saw as well. You could frame a house with either one, but, well, you see where I'm going. ;) Part of being a good developer is being familiar with enough tools to pick the right one for a job, and also to appreciate that some jobs fall outside your domain experience, and you'll either have to expand your domain, or turn down the job. It's a hard fact of life (no one likes to say yeah, um, I don't know how to do that), but it is a fact. And the more varied your knowledge, the less it'll happen. Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. cheers, barneyb ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222487 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
I mean employability in a more broad sense than being an employee. If you prefer, replace employability with marketability... :) -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Not interested in employability as in being an employee... I'm self-employed and plan to stay that way...can never be fired. Does have its drawbacks, but for me it's the only way to go. Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, can only improve your capabilities and employablity -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222496 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Well, that's part of the point. AJAX and related interface methodologies can improve the user experience and potentially create a superior interaction layer that may then result in better usage of the functionality. AJAX can be used a functionality enabler, instead of as functionality in and of itself. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Marketability...now that's true...but I can't get my clients to use well what I build now for them, much less fancy apps based on AS, JS, AJAX, and Flash... Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? I mean employability in a more broad sense than being an employee. If you prefer, replace employability with marketability... :) -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Not interested in employability as in being an employee... I'm self-employed and plan to stay that way...can never be fired. Does have its drawbacks, but for me it's the only way to go. Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, can only improve your capabilities and employablity -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145
RE: Putting files with Dreamweaver MX 8
Turn off the synchronization setting in the site definition. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Smith, Daron [PA] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Putting files with Dreamweaver MX 8 Has anyone experienced a problem with Dreamweaver MX 8 not putting the files, even when it says that it has? I save and put the files using a mapped network drive and look at the files on my server and the file size/created times have not changed. If I make large text changes the new file will actually replace the old one, but small ones, like an updated SQL statement will not overwrite the old file. Is this a bug? Thanks, Daron Smith ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:221651 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Dreamweaver, Homesite+ 5.5, Eclipse?
Well, that's kind of really looking too far back, I'd say -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Dreamweaver, Homesite+ 5.5, Eclipse? -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't get me wrong, once I'm in CFE, I really like it a lot. I'm just wondering though, why does it need to put a file somewhere at all? . Or for that matter, why they didn't add word wrapping to the editor when it was originally designed. sigh -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:221655 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Dreamweaver, Homesite+ 5.5, Eclipse?
Try opening any frameset file with a variable in the frame source attributes. Now for real fun, figure out how to get it to stop doing that. -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Dreamweaver, Homesite+ 5.5, Eclipse? I've never had DW rewrite a line of code I didn't tell it to. Not once. On 10/20/05, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dw doesnt code rewrite, like others have said, you can control that or turn it off. Even if you turn it off, there is no way you can be 100% sure that DW will never rewrite your code. DW is getting better at leaving your code alone after each release, still you can't blindly trust it. Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:221656 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Merrimack and merry making!
Okay, does anyone else find the release of Merrimack and then 2 hotfixes and the JDBC fix (making it four patches to be current) within a few short weeks a bit much? I wish we could get a single consistently updated rollup updater ! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220965 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 : New Features Survey
A more work safe analogy couldn't have been used? I mean really. -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX 7 : New Features Survey I agree its written in such a way as to provide skewed results. This is going OT (please CF_comunity paranoids abstain...;-), but I remember a survey I had to compile when I was working in the Computer Center at university. snip ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:219224 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Treo Blazer: Random characters with CFM - WAS: Treo and CFLocation?
Ben Forta has a Treo 650, maybe he can offer some advice here? -Original Message- From: Kenton Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Treo Blazer: Random characters with CFM - WAS: Treo and CFLocation? I worked through the redirect issue, thanks for your help Michael. However I've stumbled upon a new issue which I think is caused by IIS? I'm getting weird characters at the beginning of any page with a .cfm extension. Usually something like 2b, but I can refresh the page and it changes. The page will also always end with a 0. This is not apparent on any other browser and view source does not show it. Also if I replace the .cfm extension with .html then those characters do not show! I hope someone can perhaps offer an explanation. I tried adding .cfm as text/html to mime types but that didn't help. Thanks! Kenton ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:218786 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Your experience of Bluedragon.net?
Keep in mind that the compatibility guide is not up to date with the current version of ColdFusion MX (7 which was released in March I believe, so we are closing in a year since that release)... -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Your experience of Bluedragon.net? Check out the BD compatibility guide on their site. http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/self_help/docs/6_2/BlueDragon_ 62_CFML_Compatibility_Guide.pdf Item 3.2: Setting variable names indirectly was the first brick wall I hit and stopped me dead in my tracks. I would have to rewrite how every text system-level element is displayed everywhere in my CMS, given how I display text to allow its translateability. If they ever fix that I'd take another look. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:218313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: When to use Application var?
You can also have fun with creating a Settings Object to store in the application scope as well instead of just placing the values directly in the application scope... -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: When to use Application var? I would use the cached query / request scope if I had to worry about CF5 compatibility. Then it will keep you from having to worry about cflocking. If you are on CF6+ and know your code will always stay there use the application scope. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:218317 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Storing UDF in application scope
I'm not a big fan of the live docs url rewriting and long urls and so
forth...
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Storing UDF in application scope
gosh, does anyone else ever have trouble with sending pages from the
livedocs? Lets try this one last time. This is the link i am referring to:
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/1016.htm
Sorry for spamming the list.
On 9/13/05, Ryan Guill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oops, wrong link, try this one
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/1003.htm
On 9/13/05, Ryan Guill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You may check this page out too, it tells you how to do it and why
you might want to do it as well, the same as I did.
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/
js/html/wwhelp.htm?href=0263.htm
On 9/13/05, Alan Rother [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If your goal is to be able to use the function on any page in the
application you could put it in a file that is then included in
the application.cfm. This will make the function available for
local use on any page called in the whole application.
On 9/13/05, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Storing UDF in application scope
Hi,
I want to store a UDF in the application scope. Anyone know a
trick to this and/or any issues regarding it? Here's what I
tried that didn't
work:
cfscript
function MyFunc() { ...function definition... } /cfscript
CFLOCK SCOPE=application TYPE=exclusive TIMEOUT=10
CFSET application.MyFunc = MyFunc /CFLOCK
It seems like it should work... I'm not sure if it was required
(I forget) but in my code I specify the scope:
cfset Request.IndexSelect = Variables.IndexSelect
Also, and I doubt this is a problem... but who knows?, I don't
use CFSCRIPT but rather CFFUNCTION.
But in general what you have should work.
Jim Davis
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RE: Can CSS and Layers Take the Place of Tables for Displaying Dynamic Data?
I think basically we are saying that there isn't a layer object (cept in NN 4...) but there is a layer concept... -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Can CSS and Layers Take the Place of Tables for Displaying Dynamic Data? Okay, yah, that's true. I stand corrected. But, I still think it sounds like he's using the DW layer mumbo jumbo. But, I could be totally wrong. As we said in our family , 10 seconds (as in please rewind 10 seconds and then go on with your regularly scheduled programming). On 9/9/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Can CSS and Layers Take the Place of Tables for Displaying Dynamic Data? You should be aware that when you're talking about layers you're not really referring to an actual CSS thingy. That's Dreamweaver's way of explaining CSS in a visual environment. There's no such thing as a layer really - just divs and other markup that's positioned via CSS. Ummm...no that is not correct.. I don't use DW...so not sure what it defines layers as, but have a look at z-indexthat is the CSS attribute for layer position (so that's z as in the z axis x= top to bottom...y=left to rightz= up and downall 3 dimensions) ;-) So yes...there are layers in CSS Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217917 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Charting Alternatives
I've not felt that process was exactly 'easily' accomplished. I've had weird and inconsistent results trying to leverage the xml stylesheet solutions... -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Charting Alternatives Rick, What version of CF? CFMX7 definitely has ways to control the line width. They're in the associated XML stylesheet, not in the attributes of the tag; but they're easily changed. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217749 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems
Incidentally I discovered this beast of an issue when setting up CFMX 7 on Win2k3 on VMWare 5 some time ago. Naturally installs in VMWare are much slower, so this was quite a pain to troubleshoot and figure out exactly why I couldn't just install it. I never did determine a viable work around aside from installing CFMX 7 before installing SP 1, has anyone else? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems I don't really considering uninstalling an OS service pack to install software much of a work around... I agree with you on that. However, it looks like there are other workarounds that are less drastic. From the log entries that get generated, it looks like a permissions problem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217574 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems
Yeps -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems VMWare 5? You mean workstation? -Adam On 9/7/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally I discovered this beast of an issue when setting up CFMX 7 on Win2k3 on VMWare 5 some time ago. Naturally installs in VMWare are much slower, so this was quite a pain to troubleshoot and figure out exactly why I couldn't just install it. I never did determine a viable work around aside from installing CFMX 7 before installing SP 1, has anyone else? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems I don't really considering uninstalling an OS service pack to install software much of a work around... I agree with you on that. However, it looks like there are other workarounds that are less drastic. From the log entries that get generated, it looks like a permissions problem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217578 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems
Am I the only one that thinks that the fact that CFMX can't install on an updated Windows 2k3 server a problem? -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems Thanks Mike, that fixed it. :) I'd seen the other technote but it didn't look to me from the description of it not being able to write some files that my problem was being described, so I hadn't bothered to check the workaround at the bottom. When you suggested it I went ahead and tried it anyway, but it didn't help. Uninstalling SP1 did work -- oddly, I couldn't get the CF Admin to load in a browser until I'd reinstalled SP1. Frustrating, but at least it's set up now... now I'm dealing with a totally different problem, trying to set up an MSDE server on that machine and not having any luck... I was able to get it installed once but then couldn't connect to it with anything (MS SQL Enterprise Manager, CF, ODBC) except a 3rd party tool called MSDE Manager (from WhiteBear I think it was)... Good to know the thing was working, but completely unhelpful if I can't connect to it with CF... So I uninstalled it to try again and now I can't get it reinstalled... sigh... just another day in freaking nothing works as advertised land... do you have SP1 installed already? If so, uninstall CF and uninstall SP1 and run the installer again. Then reapply SP1. There's a known installer error w/ SP1 on 2k3 later, Mike S. Isaac Dealey wrote: Why is it that the JNDI listen port is ALWAYS the problem that prevents CF from installing? ... I've got a new Win2003 server I'm trying to install my CF server on and I can't get the webserver connector to find the listen port... I've checked to make sure there isn't a firewall, proxy or anti-virus affecting it, and there isn't... I've manually configured the JNDI listen port and executed the connector from the command line and still nothing. So in lieu of that, I've tried to manually connect it by manually adding the .cfm and .cfc mappings in IIS to (C:\CFusionMX7\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll). I'm able to get an index.htm file in web root via a browser, but trying to get a .cfm file in the same directory produces a 404 error... I'm at my wit's end. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems
I don't really considering uninstalling an OS service pack to install software much of a work around... -Original Message- From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems I dont agree really. Yeah, its an inconvenience, but its not like you can just throw out a new installer on a whim. If they did we would have a lot more problems than we do. They have an updater thats either in beta or getting ready to be in beta, im sure they are rolling out the fix in it. You can be guarenteed this though, youre going to get a fix for this a whole lot sooner from macromedia, than you would from say microsoft... And too, there *is* a workaround. Just be patient guys. But I definately don't think this is grounds for saying that macromedia isnt keen on cf... On 9/6/05, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 September 2005 12:37, Calvin Ward wrote: Am I the only one that thinks that the fact that CFMX can't install on an updated Windows 2k3 server a problem? No, you're not. It's one of the things that makes people say maybe MM isn't very keen on CF. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217458 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems
Good point! :P
Not to mention, ColdFusion is actually an application (not a server), that
runs on JRun, which is a J2EE ('Java' 2 Enterprise Edition) server...
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Installation - more FREAKING JNDI problems
On Tuesday 06 September 2005 15:49, Adrocknaphobia wrote:
That reply doesn't even make sense. Java is a language, not an
application. You are being nonsensical.
Coldfusion is a language :-)
Seriously, can't think of any right now, but then the only thing I know of
that is broke on XP-SP1 is Coldfusion, which tells me the people who wrote
all the other tools I use did something that MM didn't.
--
Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
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RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Well, except that RDS only has a single user... Well not even a user, just a password, which is the same for every user. And doesn't RDS allow access to the entire file system as well? These questions are likely version dependent... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. As a stupid server guy myself, I have two things to say about this. First, most server administrators allow RDS because they don't know anything about it. There aren't any RDS-specific ports, and RDS is enabled by default. Second, RDS is a bit easier to secure in some respects. FTP is a pain in the ass, when it comes to setting up firewall rules. It behaves differently in active and passive modes, and each mode has its own problems. RDS is just plain ol' HTTP - easy to secure, easy to block, and so on. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217206 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
I think that's pretty significant, but that's just my take. The single user thing is a huge deal. And even limiting access on the file system to just the web directories, means that everyone who uses that account has access to everyone else's files. What I'd like to see is the database and component functionality placed in a fashion that no longer requires RDS and can be secured by other more granular methods of access control, such as os/network/firewall (which all exist for RDS, but then you're right back to controlling RDS file system access again, which is silly if that's all that you need it for. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? Well, except that RDS only has a single user... Well not even a user, just a password, which is the same for every user. Yeah, that was a giant step backwards for CFMX, although I don't think too many people used CF 4/5's Advanced Security functionality to control RDS access. And doesn't RDS allow access to the entire file system as well? By default, yes, unless you limit the rights of the user account running CF - which is a very good idea even if you're not using RDS. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217217 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
That'd be nice, but it's not listed in the feature list on macromedia's site. I suppose we could just emulate the functionality and figure out an extension to dreamweaver to integrated it... -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I'd like to see is the database and component functionality placed in a fashion that no longer requires RDS and can be secured by other more granular methods of access control, Personally I think CFMX7's administration tags are a step towards remote management without using RDS, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Dreamweaver 8 included features for this. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: WOT: Is there something we can do
In this particular case I don't think we'd want to further splinter the attempt for folks to find each other. Instead I would recommend posting these links on whatever reasonable resources you want to to assist with folks finding ways to find each other. Just a thought... -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: WOT: Is there something we can do Mmmm... Looks like the problem is already being addressed. I wonder why the media don't publicize the fact that these exist-- at least I heard/saw no mention of them. Dick On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Robert Munn wrote: Some ongoing sites for this sort of thing: http://neworleans.craigslist.org/about/help/katrina_cl.html http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/list/ http://boards.news.yahoo.com/boards/ http://messageboards.weather.com/3/OpenTopic? a=frms=253291764f=457105398 (appears to be down) Been watching the media-- Katrina Lots of people suffering, displaced, separated from family, loved ones. Made the contribution to Red Cross usual charities. Want to do more-- help people find their missing? Seems like a simple CF/DB web application-- a PeopleFinder-- ProjectHope Something like: DB --- Person Sought Last name Person Sought First Name Person Sought email/Location Person Seeking Last name Person Seeking First Name Person Seeking email/Location Message Date/Time connected simple search/enter apps via computer or cell phone I, or someone with more talent could whip together an application that would save a lot of misery. Hosting is a problem-- I will do it on my home DSL if nothing better can be found Thoughts Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217085 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What were they thinking?
I just wish it has a sweet price! Calvin -Original Message- From: Mike Nimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What were they thinking? snip Honestly though if you're tweaking your forms so much that these keywords are becoming an issue. You might want to seriously look at Flex, it is a sweet tool. ---nimer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216961 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: COAL- the Coldfusion Open Application Library
The stuff on exchange isn't necessarily free either. -Original Message- From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: COAL- the Coldfusion Open Application Library On 8/29/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think your reinventing the wheel here. There is already the macromedia developers exchange, and cflib.org to name but two free repository of reusable coldfusion code. Snake Snake, I think youre missing the idea here. It is not only to have a repository of free code for developers but to package it into a framework thats very usable at any time, and can start to standardize some of the code, to keep you from having to reinvent the wheel. On your note though, I have never really like macromedia developers exchange, mostly because I cant find anything on there that I need or want, and because their interface for searching and browsing the exchange is hard to use IMO. But the CFLib.org libraries are included in COAL by default. Again the idea is not only to put this code out there and available, but to package it in such a way that its very easy to plug it in and start playing from any application. -- Ryan Guill BlueEyesDevelopment [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ryanguill.com (270) 217.2399 The Coldfusion Open Application Library - COAL - http://coal.ryanguill.com www.ryanguill.com/ The Roman Empire: www.ryanguill.com/blog/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216685 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)
Interesting ideas and it seems like a good direction. The use of the word object seems to trip me up (since I always think of objects as having both values ( properties ) and funcionality ( methods )...) Going to be tough on a name, most of the 4/5 letter ...ml options have been used at this point... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs) [Sorry - I posted this in CFCommunity already but all the action seems to be over here...] I've worked on it some more and have something that, on paper, seems good to me. I've built a JavaScript Serializer (but haven't yet begun to tackle the deserializer). I've created and validated the XSD as well. The basic idea, again, is a solution which can transfer structured data between JavaScript (or, really, any client - but primarily client-side JavaScript) and a server. By structured data I mean things like arrays and objects (structs) nested however deeply you want. My (simplified) goals (and complaints against other solutions) were: +) Something that's easy to parse for JavaScript. SOAP is NOT easy to parse (which is, I think, why there's no generalized SOAP parser for JS). +) Something that maintains general data types. SOAP maintains complex datatypes (based on Java or C+). JSON doesn't offer data typing at all. I thought we needed a middle ground. +) Something in XML. Nearly all modern languages deal with XML natively. The DOM makes dealing with it in JavaScript easy (if tedious). It seemed the way to go. +) Something which could be described using modern XML tools. WDDX, for example, can't be described using an XSD... which may be stupid on the W3C's part but is true nonetheless. But XML/XSD provides a basic level of validation that would have to be built from scratch otherwise. +) Something that's appropriate for both download AND upload traffic. +Often the acts of serializing or deserializing things is left to the server which outputs raw JavaScript code. Or JavaScript is left to receive structured data but is left with only flat form fields to respond. +) Finally, and not the most important, I wanted something that would be relatively small. JSON is VERY small (adding only 5-10% to most data packets) while SOAP or WDDX were VERY big (something quintupling the size of data packets). Again, I thought there should be a middle ground without losing capability. I wanted something to take a complex JavaScript object and pass it, intact, to a server which could take the resulting object, modify it and pass it back, intact. I wanted something JavaScript could both serialize and deserialize relatively quickly and easily. Most importantly I wanted something that _I_ could build and understand in JavaScript and that wouldn't take me a month to do! Lastly I wanted something so simple that it would be easy to recreate in other languages as well. And yet powerful enough not to leave (most) people accepting compromises in their data. So, I've come up with this. I call it dataML (have you got something better?): Three tags only (I decided to minimize them to abbreviations since I'm only using two tags): dataML: This is the wrapper tag for the packet. It can contain, first, any number or zero md tags and one d tag. d: Data. This tag contains the data items. It can contain as many other d tags as you like in an orgasmic orgy of nesting. (By having only one tag we eliminate problems that XSD has with randomly appearing child tags.) It take three attributes: type: The type of the data. I settled on using JavaScript's generalized types (plus the addition of binary). If not provided the data type will default to string. Possible values are: +) object (equivalent to a CF Struct) +) array (single dimensional with sparse arrays supported) +) null +) undefined (I'm not sure if this is actually needed yet) +) string +) number +) boolean (true or false are the only acceptable values.) +) date +) binary (BASE64 Data) +) function (representing a JavaScript function. fields: For objects this is a comma-delimited list of the properties of the object (or, for CF, the keys of a struct). For arrays, if used at all, it would be the indexes filled in a sparse array. It's ignored for all other data types. label: A label which corresponds to a label using in a md (metadata) tag. If used the other attributes will be pulled from the metadata. md: MetaData. This allows us to create a set of attributes to be applied later to multiple data items. While its use may slow down serialization/deserialization using it well can shrink the size of the resulting packet tremendously. We can use md to pre-populate attribute values
RE: Ajax and CFCs
While I definitely agree with your first paragraph, an additional layer of
server side applications seems a bit much for something that is in fact,
natively supported, and well I might add, by the application server itself.
XML generation with ColdFusion is trivial.
All that really needs to be done is to define the standard, implement the
client consumption and generation libraries (js...) and the server side
libraries (in our case, probably some ColdFusion components). It seems like
all of this can be accomplished without another server side
technology/communication chain.
Have you considered just licensing the .js and creating server side
solutions per platform (CF, J2EE, .NET) that don't require the additional
service/application?
I'll be curious to see how Jim's project works out.
- Calvin
Btw, New Atlanta appears to shy away from using the word ColdFusion in
reference to the BD product, so I'm not entirely sure that ColdFusion
components is accurate in the context below.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Nisenbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs
As various AJAX implementations popup on a weekly basis now, it is going to
be quite important for all the vendors to settle on the client/server XML
protocol. This reminds me of the early days of SOAP. Different companies
initially tried to do it their own way, and if W3C would not step in and
standardize the protocol, integration through web services would be a mess
now. Something very similar should happen with AJAX. In the ideal world an
AJAX client should be able to talk to any kind of implementation regardless
whether it is written in ColdFusion of C#. In fact, one should be able to
swap the underlying implementation of an AJAX powered webapp and no one
should notice the difference. The benefits of that approach are huge - no
vendor lockin and simplified (seamless) application integration come to
mind.
Since there is no standard client/server XML protocol, our product
(WebORB)implements something we came up - WOLF (Web Object Literal Format).
The protocol is flexible and supports all possible data types: primitives,
dates, strings, complex objects, arrays, pointers, etc. The same protocol is
used to enable communication between an AJAX client and ColdFusion
components, .NET or Java objects and XML Web Services. With regards to CFCs,
WebORB can serialize all available data types as method arguments or return
values. The client side library (Rich Client System) we provide implements
the protocol and can create native JS objects representing the server-side
counterparts (primitives, dates, arrays, structs, ResultSets for CFQUERY,
etc). The same library also provides a very easy-to-use object binding API,
so, for example, to bind to a CFC from JavaScript one would do the
following:
var cfcProxy = webORB.bind( mycomponent, http://weborburl; );
// now you can invoke any method on the CFC identified as mycomponent
cfcProxy.helloWorld();
// to invoke the same method asynchronously, do the following var async =
new Async( processResult ); cfcProxy.helloWorld( async );
// handle the asynchronous result
function processResult( result )
{
// result is whatever your CFC returned from the helloWorld() function }
You can see a bunch of detailed invocation examples here:
http://www.themidnightcoders.com/examples/ajaxdotnetguide.htm
Currently the CFC support is available only with BlueDragon.
cheers,
Terry
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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
The SP can update the record and perform related tasks... -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records And how would you make a SP execute when a column is updated without using a trigger? Russ -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 13:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Yep, which is where SP's come in. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 13:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Well I use the rule. Don't get coldfusion to do the work of the database, when the database can obviously do it a lot better. Russ -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 13:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records What kind of trigger? There may be cases where you MUST use them - as in, you have no other options. Triggers have an unnecessary overhead on the server - If you are performing selects in them then you should use a trigger. If your DB has been designed well you can get away with default cascading. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 13:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Well I find them very handy. For example. I have a trigger that detects when a client account is deactivated, and then automatically deactivates all other records in related tables as well. No different than using the cascade update and delete triggers that are there by default. Russ This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215579 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
That's usually as effective as throwing a handful of sand away from you while facing the wind... -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: @@Identity returns excessive records Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Also, one HUGE drawback of a trigger is it cannot be used on a view That is an issue with certain implementations, not with triggers in general. Complain to your vendor :) Jochem ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215589 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that an SP can accomplish the same goal. The difference is that the SP encapsulates the update and 'triggered' functionality and therefore would receive the updates instead of the table itself. Calvin -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Neil, You are totally avoiding answering the question. You have stated that an SP can do everything a trigger can do, and you have stated that an SP can automatically be execute when a certain event occurs just like a trigger. So for the 3rd time, please show me how. russ -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 14:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records What you are stating and what the process is are two different beasts.your trigger is simply a lazy way to monitor a process which you are not doubt firing as part of what I would assume is a cfquery. Why don't you just throw that update into an SP and handle the whole shebang in the SP? You would have the original status and the new status and the success of the process. Anything a trigger can do, normal SQL can do (almost anyway ;-) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215596 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFSCRIPT Equivalent of CFPARAM?
Yeps!
if (NOT (IsDefined(myvar)) {
myvar = 'myval';
}
- Calvin
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Subject: CFSCRIPT Equivalent of CFPARAM?
My mind is failing me.
Is there a CFSCRIPT alternative to CFPARAM other than an IsDefined() block?
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RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
You can secure access to the database, limiting all updates, for example, to that SP. That should still accomplish the same goal. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records But an SP still has to be triggered by something. And that is really what he is saying, because my example cannot be accomplished just by a SP, unless you implicitly execute that SP every time. Which means your still relying on the ColdFusion code to do so. If someone edits a record directly on the database, then how would that SP get executed. Russ -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 15:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that an SP can accomplish the same goal. The difference is that the SP encapsulates the update and 'triggered' functionality and therefore would receive the updates instead of the table itself. Calvin -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Neil, You are totally avoiding answering the question. You have stated that an SP can do everything a trigger can do, and you have stated that an SP can automatically be execute when a certain event occurs just like a trigger. So for the 3rd time, please show me how. russ -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 14:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records What you are stating and what the process is are two different beasts.your trigger is simply a lazy way to monitor a process which you are not doubt firing as part of what I would assume is a cfquery. Why don't you just throw that update into an SP and handle the whole shebang in the SP? You would have the original status and the new status and the success of the process. Anything a trigger can do, normal SQL can do (almost anyway ;-) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215610 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
This can be done by calling the sp via query analyzer. If the security is correct, you shouldn't be able to 'forget' - Calvin -Original Message- From: Allan Cliff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records I would disagree here with the last 2 posts. Many are the times when an entry needs entering into a db manually, whether it be from a website being down etc. A trigger would always keep data integrity whereas an SP wouldn't. An SP may be able to do the same job but it would have to called and sometimes when you are in a rush you may forget. Each has its job otherwise triggers wouldn't exist. My 2p worth. Allan -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 16:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records YOU NEVER log onto a DB and do this - apart from locking the table (which will happen) it is completely and utterly reckless. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 15:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Neil, So your saying that if I logged into the database using enterprise manager and edited a field in a specific row, that this stored procedure would magically detect this and execute itself just as a trigger would. -- Snake -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 15:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records And you are not looking into the issue here: - this is not CF related so this will be my last post on the subject - and it is entirely possible to do what you seem as being the impossible. To answer your Q in pseudo code (it is not difficult to grasp). A) You are updating a record WITH an sp (lets call it usp_updateandlog) B) You know the update is passing in a records status. C) Check the original value of records status and flag a boolean value of bHasChanged D) perform update E) get status of update (within transaction) F) check bHasChanged G) If true, perform audit log and/or other related task. Job done. I am sure you can fill the fluff in where other values are required. But to give you some code you can do this. create table t ( i int not null ); create table t_audit ( old_i int not null, new_i int null ); insert into t (i) values( 1 ); insert into t (i) values( 2 ); update t set i = i + 1 output deleted.i, inserted.i into t_audit where i = 1; delete from t output deleted.i, NULL into t_audit where i = 2; select * from t; select * from t_audit; drop table t, t_audit; go albeit SQL Server 2005 alone. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215624 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
Not at all. I'm saying that you can use an SP to accomplish the same goals and it also secures your data and ensures the integrity you need. It is a different approach, but it is a viable and often used approach. Security is what should prevent data being changed without going through the stored procedure. That security is set on the database itself. ColdFusion has nothing to do with this discussion. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Then you may as well just say don't even write stored procedures either, do it all via CFQUERY. Or don't build in any relationships, let CF handle that as well. Having a trigger that detects an update and then executes the stored procedure would cover you against unforseen circumstances where the data might change without going through the SP. -- snake -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 15:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records You can secure access to the database, limiting all updates, for example, to that SP. That should still accomplish the same goal. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records But an SP still has to be triggered by something. And that is really what he is saying, because my example cannot be accomplished just by a SP, unless you implicitly execute that SP every time. Which means your still relying on the ColdFusion code to do so. If someone edits a record directly on the database, then how would that SP get executed. Russ -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 15:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that an SP can accomplish the same goal. The difference is that the SP encapsulates the update and 'triggered' functionality and therefore would receive the updates instead of the table itself. Calvin -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Neil, You are totally avoiding answering the question. You have stated that an SP can do everything a trigger can do, and you have stated that an SP can automatically be execute when a certain event occurs just like a trigger. So for the 3rd time, please show me how. russ -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2005 14:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records What you are stating and what the process is are two different beasts.your trigger is simply a lazy way to monitor a process which you are not doubt firing as part of what I would assume is a cfquery. Why don't you just throw that update into an SP and handle the whole shebang in the SP? You would have the original status and the new status and the success of the process. Anything a trigger can do, normal SQL can do (almost anyway ;-) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215626 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)
XIEF (XML Information Exchange Format) -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs) Well - it looks like dataML is already taken for something else anyway... anybody got a good idea for a new name? I'm thinking either simple as in dpml (Depressed Press Markup Language) which says absolutely NOTHING about what it does or esoteric like Rosetta. Whatcha think? I know this is weighing heavily on all your minds! ;^) Jim Davis XML Data Language (XDL) XML Data Format (XDF) XML Information Language (XIL) XML Information Format (XIF) s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215628 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name?
Then I vote for PDXF (Purple Dinosaur eXchange Format)... -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt - Name? Because barney is already taken. ;) On 8/18/05, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S. Isaac Dealey wrote: My personal favorite... XXL - XML Xchange Language why not just fred or barney? -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 50 invites. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215706 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: @@Identity returns excessive records
Doesn't @@Identity get you the last ID created regardless of scope or table? -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: @@Identity returns excessive records Dan, Simple You don't need the from tblArActivtyNote Change it to this: INSERT INTO tblArActivityNote (patientID,UserID,note) VALUES(238,1,'Letter 2 printed mailed for DOS(s)' + ' 01/19/04') SELECT @@IDENTITY as ID go Your code would be analogous to saying: select 'Mark' as myName FROM users Such a query would always return the same number of rows as select * - with a single column (myName) populated with Mark. Rember if you are inserting to multiple tables in the same block use the scope_identity(). Here's a blog entry with some tips on it. http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=aliasalias=identity%20after%20 insert -Mark -Original Message- From: Dan O'Keefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: @@Identity returns excessive records If I copy and paste my tSQL into query analyzer: INSERT INTO tblArActivityNote (patientID,UserID,note) VALUES(238,1,'Letter 2 printed mailed for DOS(s)' + ' 01/19/04') go select @@IDENTITY as ID from tblArActivityNote go My PK-IdentityID column in tblAractivityNote is AractivityNoteID. If the insert created a AractivityNoteID= 295256, the select @@identity returns 295256 rows with the same value, 295256. Weird, huh? On 8/17/05, Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Please explain When I run it manually in ISQLW, I get the identity key, but I get the same key in as many rows as there are in the table, which is 295K + rows. you mean you get back the same number regardless of the number of inserts? -mark -Original Message- From: Dan O'Keefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: @@Identity returns excessive records I have an insert query, select the @@identity, and then insert into another table. Common scenario, but all of a sudden, after a dozen or so iterations, it just starts to die. I found it is dying getting the identity. When I run it manually in ISQLW, I get the identity key, but I get the same key in as many rows as there are in the table, which is 295K + rows. The identity column is my primary key for the table and there are no triggers on this table. SCOPE_IDENTITY() returns the same results. Any ideas? Dan ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215422 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Here's a few more: http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 http://blog.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 http://invite.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace Vince, I believe the conflict is over this: http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm http://mail.myspace.com/Application.cfm - BlueDragon http://forum.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://browseusers.myspace.com/ - ASP.NET http://search.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://signup.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://groups.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://events.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://music.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 http://classifieds.myspace.com/Application.cfm - CF5 As Vince himself said, most of the site is still running CF5 (which was exactly what I said on my blog, quoting his own words). Sean (who doesn't like being called a liar in public even when he is on sabbatical!) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215135 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Vince, I think the challenge here is because Sean's actual statement from his blog entry here: http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CAB-F397-B096-2B 39932484397145 is: So, in fact, the highest traffic ColdFusion site in the world is (mostly) running on Macromedia ColdFusion 5, a four year old product, two major releases behind the times! Which is not blatantly false nor a distortion of the 'facts', but precisely what you've been saying. Unless I'm missing something obvious? It may be a distortion of the 'message' that this is an success story technically (which it may yet be, and probably can be considered to be from a sales perspective), but that 'message' (if that's the intended message) seems a bit premature. And that's part of the point of the blog entry I think. To clarify what I mean, if you are referring to the site in its entirety, it is not running BD, but mostly CF5, which appears to be most of the disconnect here. The statement myspace.com is running BD implies that it is doing so in its entirety. The reality is that it is *not* running BD [exclusivity implied], but running CF5 for the most part with a few applications (one confirmed) on BD and (one confirmed) on .NET. This seems to be an example of where sales presentation meets technical examination and results in not unexpected dissonance. I think there is little point in mischaracterizing the comments when the disagreement appears to be about presentation more so than 'facts'. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace Right. And where is that inconsistent with anything that was said in any of the other references I gave? When did I or anyone at New Atlanta say the entire MySpace web server farm has already been migrated to BD.NET? Here are some quotes, starting with the original press release: MySpace is switching to BlueDragon.NET to improve the performance and reliability... New Atlanta has just announced that MySpace.com, the world's busiest ColdFusion-based web site, is switching to BlueDragon.NET... At the Friday keynote session at CFUNITED-05, Peter Amiri, Director of Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and entertaining presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons why the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET... And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk: In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:4/threadid:40946# 210707 Note the quotes, ...is switching to... and ...is being migrated to The fact is that the contract had been signed, the commitment had been made, and the switch to BlueDragon.NET had already started at the time of our announcement (and is continuing). Our message has been entirely truthful and consistent from the very beginning. There are some people who want to distort our message and discredit MySpace and New Atlanta, and have from the very moment our announcement was made. There's nothing I can do about that. Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace I think this is the relevant part: That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running CF5--it's going to take several weeks (months, maybe) to convert the entire site. The problems you're seeing are due to CF5 and are the reason the site it being upgraded to BD.NET. You'll know the upgrade to BD.NET is complete when these problems go away. Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 9:37 AM -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace Sean's statement that MySpace is not (running) BlueDragon is blatantly, factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the wrap-around URLs): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=764C1F4A -89D7-A61A-F9F 71128027172A7 Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a link to the original PowerPoint presentation: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DCE930CB -C4BB-BCD4-66A E12F14C9315A7 Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is referring: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116 Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials. Vince
RE: Ajax and CFCs
I think so, and in addition it only supports BlueDragon, not ColdFusion. What I think we really need is a solid js library that can convert from common server data types to common js data types so that we aren't locked into another vendor (and in this case a vendor tied to another vendor). Of course as ColdFusion developers, we can create a server side solution that doesn't involve sending the data to an additional layer but at the same time accomplishes the simplification of the data transformation. In fact, doesn't cfajax do something like this, in conjunction with a client side component and is free and available for ColdFusion? I believe someone else was alluding to such a solution earlier as well. - Calvin -Original Message- From: wolf2k5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs On 8/15/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Does that mean that WebORB only supports calls to CFCs on the same server? If so, that looks a big limitation IMHO. Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215141 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to access a CFC both locally and remotely?
I've been able to do this... -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to access a CFC both locally and remotely? Rick Root wrote: Yes. I do this all the time. I have some CFCs that power both flash and standard web apps, and so the methods used by the flash apps get remote while the others get public or private. well since you admitted this ;-) do your CFCs extend anything? i seem not to be able to access a CFC that's extended from a base CFC via flash remoting (CFC b extends CFC a, flash remoting to CFC b). i had to use another CFC to talk to CFC b. is that normal or just my inexperience? thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215153 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
I think I covered this in my response earlier. Stating myspace is on BD, implies that all of it is, or even at the very least, most of it is. But the truth is that most of myspace is on CF5. Thus the appearance of being misleading in the marketing speak. And actually, this list also takes MM to task for such things as well from my memory. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace What's wrong with that statement? They do run BlueDragon, and I never see them mentioning that the entire server park runs BlueDragon. They only say, MySpace runs BlueDragon. Just a matter of marketing. People seem to handle the same type of Macromedia marketing talk very well, why is that different with New Atlanta. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 12:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace On 8/15/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some quotes, starting with the original press release: MySpace is switching to BlueDragon.NET to improve the performance and reliability... New Atlanta has just announced that MySpace.com, the world's busiest ColdFusion-based web site, is switching to BlueDragon.NET... At the Friday keynote session at CFUNITED-05, Peter Amiri, Director of Technical Operations for MySpace.com, gave an informative and entertaining presentation about the history and growth of MySpace, and the reasons why the site is being migrated to BlueDragon.NET... And from Rey Bango's original post to CF-Talk: In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the Internet, make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET Vince What about: 'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML' 'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote' Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main CFUnited room all week. http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/23435256/ -- Scott Stroz Boyzoid.com http://Boyzoid.com ___ Some days you are the dog, Some days you are the tree. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215160 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Actually, the banner says The #1 CFML Website is powered by Blue Dragon Not The #1 CFML Website runs Blue Dragon Or The #1 CFML Website uses Blue Dragon Just a clarification. -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace What about: 'The #1 CFML website is powered by CFML' I would hope that its powered by CFML. LOL! Sorry Scott, I couldn't resist. 'Hear MySPace.com Tell their success story at Friday's Keynote' Do you remember what this is from? The banner hanging in the main CFUnited room all week. http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/23435256/ Scott, its all based on interpretation. As Micha mentioned, the banner only says that MySpace runs BD.Net. Rey... -- http://www.ReyBango.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215163 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Not at all. According to my understanding of Vince's description they are migrating entire applications at a time. So according to that and the description of an application (app.myspace.com), it stands to reason that each app is either all CF5 or all BD. Notwithstanding that there may be some variances that may make such an architecture (mixed application servers for one application) undesirable. I certainly wouldn't choose a mixed production environment! - Calvin -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get BD.net? On 8/16/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a few more: http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215168 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
I based my understanding on this Hi Scott, The MySpace server cluster is segregated into application pools. There are just over 30 separate applications that make up the MySpace web site. If you go to the MySpace web site, you'll notice URLs for mail.myspace.com, forums.myspace.com, music.myspace.com, etc.; these define the separate applications. For example, the mail application pool consists of 15 servers that only serve the mail application (mail.myspace.com). The upgrade from CF5 to BD.NET is being done one application at a time. Since I know which applications have been upgraded to BD.NET and which are still running on CF5, I can tell whether a problem is with a BD.NET server pool or CF5 server pool based on which application is exhibiting the problem (for example, in an earlier comment, Bill said he was having problems with the home page, which is still running on a CF5 server pool). Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 2:24 PM Ref: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116 -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace Hm... I thought I recalled from the keynote that they said they migrated an entire server to BD and then threw it up there to see how it coped in the melee. I might be remembering wrong, though. Certainly, it makes more sense to do applications at once - but I just thought that I had heard it differently. (And, one of the things that Sean listed as BD came up with the CF 5.0 error when I hit it.) On 8/16/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not at all. According to my understanding of Vince's description they are migrating entire applications at a time. So according to that and the description of an application (app.myspace.com), it stands to reason that each app is either all CF5 or all BD. Notwithstanding that there may be some variances that may make such an architecture (mixed application servers for one application) undesirable. I certainly wouldn't choose a mixed production environment! - Calvin -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace Um, isn't the idea of a server farm that while you may hit one of those pages and get CF 5.0, I may hit one of those pages and get BD.net? On 8/16/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a few more: http://games.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 http://favorites.myspace.com/application.cfm CF5 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215178 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
Yes, but a query will have a consistent xml structure that can then be consistently accessed by JS (think WDDX). I think that's what folks are after. I'm not entirely sure why WDDX isn't being talked about more in regards to AJAX... -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs What type of structured data? The only thing you need to pass is XML. A CFML Struct can be serialized into a XMLDocument, and the same counts for Arrays, Lists, Queries, etc. you name it. Maybe I am missing the entire idea behind your goals :) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 16 augustus 2005 15:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs On Monday 15 August 2005 20:12, Jim Davis wrote: 2) Passing structured data once you access them. It's the second bit that gets confusing as hell. It's trival to write toXML() methods on all your objects. MM even have a query2xml on DevNet. People that say things are trivial annoy me. ;^P It IS trivial on the server-side - not so trivial on the client side. Also it's trivial to write _A_ packet on the server and _A_ consumer on the client for that one packet... but as you build more and more one-offs it gets less and less trivial. Again (and again and again) what we really need is a decent client-side parser for common formats. The only truly common format right now is SOAP-based web services (although they're still flaky as hell). IF you had such a library, completely client-side, you could instantly (in theory) consume web services from nearly all major server-side packages - most with little to now extra coding. What we really need is a rich, client-implementable _standard_ for transmission of structured data over HTTP. Something that (I think) needs to be a little more complex than JSON but not as complex as SOAP. Something like WDDX could have fit well... but it seems to have withered on the vine. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215218 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
What is your metric for success Dan? Has myspace.com been completely migrated or even mostly migrated to BD and is now showing signs of improved capacity and performance as a result of that migration? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Daniel Ganter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace -- Scott Stroz wrote -- But the fact remains, the site is not completely running on BD.NET, so how can MySpace be considered a 'success story' excpet for the New Atlanta Sales team? Once the site has migrated and (if) the issues MySpace was seeing are resolved, then it can be a true 'success story', and I will gladly commend New Atlanta on a job well done. My issues is with the semantics. Representatives of New Atlanta have been claiming that MySPace is running BD.NET, while not qualifying that it is a minority of the servers (for now), unless they have their backs against the wall or someone claims to have issues with some of the applications within the site (then they tell us 'Oh, that application is still on CF5'). My grandfather would say they are putting the horser before the cart. Scott Stroz -- Scott Stroz -- I can totally respect that your metric for success may differ from ours. And, again, we have qualified the tactical nature of the deployment. I do disagree with the characterization that we’ve hidden it. Regards, Dan ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215262 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
I disagree, I think cf-community is too chock full of unrelated stuff to be useful to subscribe to for some busy professionals who would have an interest in a conversation about technology that is ColdFusion related... /shrug -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace Burns, John D wrote: If people are discussing New Atlanta and BD, could we keep it on the CF-Talk list. I'd be anxious to hear impressions on the company since it is CF related and could influence the decision to use New Atlanta products. Actually, I would thing that's exactly the kind of discussion that SHOULD occur on cf-community, not cf-talk. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax and CFCs
I agree, it seems like the performance would be much better to invoke the calls directly from the application server, especially as the application and the client already natively understand each other... -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I'm a little foggy on why I'd call a middle tier like WebORB to handle my web service calls when I can easily use CF's built in Flash gateway or open source AMF-based alternatives? Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 15, 2005 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I think it helps to understand the WebORB architecture, which is best explained on their web site: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm WebORB is first of all a server (its full name is WebORB Presentation Server) that acts as a gateway or broker that allows rich clients (Flash or JavaScript/AJAX) to invoke server-side objects. In the case of JavaScript/AJAX, WebORB allows clients to use a single protocol--implemented by the WebORB Rich Client System--to invoke a variety of server-side objects. Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Vince, Have there been any specific reasons you know of for taking such a proprietary approach or was it mainly aimed towards best performance because of its close integration? Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 -- -- -- -- - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl -- -- -- -- - -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 15 augustus 2005 13:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Jim, The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services to invoke CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via BlueDragon's internal APIs. Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of BlueDragon. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or any other server language). It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript sends data to ColdFusion, ColdFusion sends a response back, JavaScript updates the page. My guess (nothing more) is that it the same problem that other SOAP implementations have: they don't like each other. MS implementations work great with .NET service but bomb on CFMX services for example. CF implementations work great in some places and blow up in others... In my experience these problems, once dug out, are pretty small - but that doesn't matter because it seems the implementers don't really care all that much - it works for what they want it to work with and everybody else can just toe the line or use something else. It's also very likely (because SOAP isn't all that simple) that they're using some off-the-shelf implementation inside this thing. And if that implementation doesn't support CF SOAP/WSDL then this thing won't. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free
RE: Ajax and CFCs
Not to mention the added cost. Isn't part of the value of ColdFusion the integrated solutions such as Flash Remoting, Verity, Web Services, etc.? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs The Flash Gateway provides a binary communication stream between the flash player and a backend server. But a browser can already natively get XML from a backend server, so whats the point of adding a gateway in between them? -Adam On 8/15/05, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CF's built-in Flash gateway *is* a middle tier, just like WebORB. And, no, you probably wouldn't want to use WebORB to invoke CFCs on CFMX (assuming it's even possible). Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I agree, it seems like the performance would be much better to invoke the calls directly from the application server, especially as the application and the client already natively understand each other... -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I'm a little foggy on why I'd call a middle tier like WebORB to handle my web service calls when I can easily use CF's built in Flash gateway or open source AMF-based alternatives? Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 15, 2005 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs I think it helps to understand the WebORB architecture, which is best explained on their web site: http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/aboutWeborb.htm WebORB is first of all a server (its full name is WebORB Presentation Server) that acts as a gateway or broker that allows rich clients (Flash or JavaScript/AJAX) to invoke server-side objects. In the case of JavaScript/AJAX, WebORB allows clients to use a single protocol--implemented by the WebORB Rich Client System--to invoke a variety of server-side objects. Once you realize it's the WebORB server that's actually invoking CFCs (on behalf of the client), and not the client invoking CFCs directly, then it should be clear that invoking the CFCs on BlueDragon directly makes more sense than invoking them via web services. It doesn't make sense to use web services protocols to invoke objects that reside on the same local server--the performance is much better to invoke them directly. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Vince, Have there been any specific reasons you know of for taking such a proprietary approach or was it mainly aimed towards best performance because of its close integration? Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 -- -- -- -- - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl -- -- -- -- - -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 15 augustus 2005 13:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs Jim, The WebORB implementation doesn't use SOAP or web services to invoke CFCs on BlueDragon--instead, WebORB invokes them directly via BlueDragon's internal APIs. Also, WebORB works with both the Java/J2EE and .NET editions of BlueDragon. Vince Bonfanti http://blog.newatlanta.com New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ajax and CFCs -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax and CFCs There is nothing there that couldn't be done with CFMX (or any other server language). It is a simple request / response using AJAX. JavaScript
RE: Language...
No it's not. And this thread needs to cease, it is out of place and inappropriate. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Language... again. its tomato, tomaahhto bud. to me its professional to use a few good fucks, every now and then. im sorry that you are too close minded to let this beautiful word sit in sin and hidden existence. USE IT MAN! its VERY liberating... EVERYONE WITH A RESOUNDING CACOPHONY... LETS ALL BELT out one good FUCK! :) fuckin tony at it again! trust me, it FEELS REAL good. On 8/15/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, You might find them to be all fine and dandy but its nowhere near professional. What you do or the way you speak in your personal life shouldn't carry over into a professional environment. Rey... Tony Weeg wrote: i personally find the use of those words you dont like to be quite pleasant and professional im sorry to be that guy, but if i didnt get out a few fucks throughout my day, hell, i wouldnt know what to do. sorry. tony On 8/15/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike doesn't need to do anymore work that he already does, we just have to be more responsible mature and not let it happen and if it does realize it and take it off list. And under NO circumstances go after someones clients because you are upset with the poster and I can't comment on that anymore as it is now a legal matter. Any inquiries to that please message me off list and leave it off of this list. ~Dave From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:03 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Language... I think Mike ought to set up a redirect where offenders get kicked off the CF-talk list and put on CF-Community for a week. The offending post would come back on Cf-Community along with others and they would see no more cf-talk posts. You could spend the week flaming each other there in peace. On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:48:34 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz) wrote: This list is not for entertainment. This is a technical list for technical subjects. Entertainment is on CF-Community. Yes, there has been some flames recently. Yes, there has been some inappropriate language recently and yes, I've stepped in to deal with it. I'm doing the same here. Lets drop this or move it to CF-Community or CF-OT. Thank you ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215084 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
I think this is the relevant part: That's not true, Sean. Most of the site is still running CF5--it's going to take several weeks (months, maybe) to convert the entire site. The problems you're seeing are due to CF5 and are the reason the site it being upgraded to BD.NET. You'll know the upgrade to BD.NET is complete when these problems go away. Posted By Vince Bonfanti at 7/29/05 9:37 AM -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: bg myspace Sean's statement that MySpace is not (running) BlueDragon is blatantly, factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the wrap-around URLs): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=764C1F4A-89D7-A61A-F9F 71128027172A7 Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a link to the original PowerPoint presentation: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DCE930CB-C4BB-BCD4-66A E12F14C9315A7 Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is referring: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116 Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials. Vince -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace still using CF 5: http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CA B-F397-B096-2B39932484397145 MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our announcement. Why would you think otherwise? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215085 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: bg myspace
Isn't this handled with a server wide error handler set in the CF Admin? And isn't that a best practice (and a not very time consuming one at that). - Calvin -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace Vince, I believe the conflict is over this: http://www.myspace.com/Application.cfm showing a typical, classic CF5.0 error. In BD, the error messages are like nuclear red/orange/yellow or something. Until this error screen kicks the bw, I'm forced to doubt MySpace's switch somewhat. Yes, BTW, everyone, this is a server hack that can alert people to (roughly) what version of CF you are running. The only workaround I know of is to not use Application.cfm/cfc/onrequestend.cfm, and make sure you handle any 404 errors thrown. -nathan strutz Vince Bonfanti wrote: Sean's statement that MySpace is not (running) BlueDragon is blatantly, factually false. Here is New Atlanta's original press release about MySpace: http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/myspace_announce.jsp Here is my original blog entry regarding the announcement (sorry for the wrap-around URLs): http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=764C1F4A-89D7-A6 1A-F9F 71128027172A7 Here is my blog entry that summarizes the CFUNITED keynote, along with a link to the original PowerPoint presentation: http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=DCE930CB-C4BB-BC D4-66A E12F14C9315A7 Here is Doug Hughes' blog entry on which I made comments to which Sean is referring: http://www.doughughes.net/index.cfm/page-blogLink/entryId-116 Anyone who really wants to know what's going on with MySpace and BlueDragon.NET should read the original source materials. Vince -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: bg myspace I believe that Dave is referring to this blog post from Sean about Myspace still using CF 5: http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm?do=blog.entryentry=63258CA B-F397-B096-2B39932484397145 MySpace is running BlueDragon.NET and has been since prior to our announcement. Why would you think otherwise? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215091 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF7 lots of new Ambiguous column name issues
On CFMX 7 you can also add the result attribute to the cfquery tag and dump that without changing any of your other code... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Dina Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF7 lots of new Ambiguous column name issues Well, I'd like to see the parsed query to be certain that your problem is fully addressed but, from what you've provided, I'd say Claude has honed in on your issue. You need to scope the formobjectitemid and archive columns with either the version or companynews table. This is best practice for any SQL statement that references more than one table. If you'd like to provide the parsed query, you can do so in one of two ways: 1) copy the parsed query from your debug info or 2) comment out the CFQUERY tags and replace them with CFOUTPUT tags. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214521 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse and FTP (was: MM and CFEclipse)
I think the DW type solution is what some folks are looking for. It never occurred to me to check out from SC direct to prod. In our current operation we check out from sc to local, change files and deploy to dev for initial teating, then migrate up to test (for QA/UAT) and then to prod environments. I didn't think that was atypical... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse and FTP (was: MM and CFEclipse) Nope, it doesn't. The FTP view is for editing remote files in-place, not for standard FTP operations. cheers, barneyb On 8/2/05, Phill B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does CFE have a simple to use FTP like in DreamWeaver? I want a key combination shortcut like in DW. Ctr+U saves and uploads at the same time. Last time I looked at CFE, FTP was still a pain to use. Phil -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 50 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214523 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
Well, why don't you be that someone? -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW - fixing the lookup of selections on search - split code view, like cfstudio had - breakdown of cfc's in a project If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to existing customers :) Micha ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214231 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: XML format for menus
In CFML, XML can be leveraged as an array of structs... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: XML format for menus curious...what's the advantage of using XML versus just storing an an array of structs? On 7/29/05, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used this format with great success: menu name=Main id=main permissions=... menuitem href=... permissions=...User List/menuitem menu name=Security permissions=... menuitem href=... permissions=...Add User/menuitem / menuitem href=... permissions=...User List/menuitem / /menu /menu cheers, barneyb On 7/29/05, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an XML format that they would share? I want to convert my hard-coded system and an easily maintainable XML file seems like a good approach. Andy -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 50 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:213375 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
That's what I was thinking. I've no experience with myspace.com either! - Calvin -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of it?? ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210796 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Fusebox/Sandboxing/Contribute Framework
I thought all of the instruction for Contribute is contained within html comments within the dreamweaver templates. Which means, in theory you can create your own contibute templates using any tool you want... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fusebox/Sandboxing/Contribute Framework Assuming I'm reading this correctly (I've never used dreamweaver templates or contribute templates, so I'm guessing on theory), onTap wouldn't help you with this either... It might help resolve issues with contribute templates if you don't use dreamweaver templates tho... Yah, well, without dreamweaver templates - I'd still have the same problem. Anywhere there's cfcode - you see a little yellow shield icon - like Contribute is shielding your code. But, the reality is that if the shield is in an editable area, people can click it, drag it around, and delete it. Bah. It's one of my pet peeves with Contribute. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:210584 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML to PDF
Thanks Damon! Still not having much luck with the sliced at page break images and text though. - Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML to PDF Here's the answer to this one: what you're seeing is the rendering of the iFrame contents only. If you remove the embedded iframe from this page, it renders fine. Support for iFrames is enhancement request #54932, FYI. HTH Damon Our user group did a presentation last night and our user group site home page didn't come across well (http://www.jaxfusion.org/) using cfhttp and cfdocument. It actually only showed the amazon image in the PDF on the first page! Conversely, if you click the pretty validate button on that site, it does validate as HTML 4.01 (the CSS validates as well). - Calvin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209717 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: DNS query with ColdFusion
Or you're on this list apparently :D -Original Message- From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DNS query with ColdFusion Well, sure. *If* you know Java. ;^) M!ke -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DNS query with ColdFusion cfset ipAddr = createObject(java, java.net.InetAddress).getByName(www.barneyb.com).getHostAddress() / Surely that's simpler than doing a CFEXECUTE call and parsing the result, let alone the zero-dependancy nature of it. cheers, barneyb ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209718 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML to PDF
I did follow up on this and found there was only a single table surrounding the content in question, everything inside the single table was done with h1, p, etc. Removing that surrounding table didn't seem to change anything, I'm going to tinker a bit more though. - Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 7:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML to PDF Yeah, tracking row counts in table rendering sometimes is an imprecise science, but I've seen it done with good results. It's a little discocerting for users to split onto a new page without new headers re-rendered on printed copy anyway, so oming up with a counter, ending the tabel and re-starting the table on the next page is probably a good thing to do for the best user experience anyway. Perhaps someone here could share their code with splitting tables at page breaks... Damon, Thanks for responding! The challeng is it's not so easy to break as we don't know the length of the content ahead of time, or even if there is an image, much less where the image is in the content (this is all CMS type stuff). - Calvin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209531 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF on shared hosting
I would agree that CF Standalone is unsuitable for shared hosting. - Calvin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF on shared hosting The Jrun used with a CF Standalone install has no real security - you might try to edit the java security policy file directly but I doubt that would be easy. The JSP files then run with no sandboxing, able to veiw the entire server and do everything that an unsandboxed CF install can do. -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2005 2:10 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF on shared hosting Why is Jrun unsuitable? - Calvin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209376 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF on shared hosting
Security through obscurity doesn't really resolve anything. While a step by step isn't necessary, a more enlightening description would be useful. The next question would be how much of this impacts hosts that offer .jsp regardless of app server in shared hosting environments, or do any? (I've never looked for that kind of hosting, heck I haven't looked for shared hosting in 6 years for that matter). - Calvin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF on shared hosting No, you aren't missing anything - it's just a demo of how failing to disable JSP can lead to a hacked website, because that's how I added the blog (hacking). I didn't really want to give a script kiddie step-by-step (there's enough out there already without giving them even more info) but I can send more details privately if you want. -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2005 9:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF on shared hosting http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=EDCB81 D8-C8F0-B537-1824A53C962059D3 I don't see anything at this page beyond: Guest Blogger - Shared Host Security When sharing CF hosting with others, be aware that security is an issue. With Rob's permission, this post was created by me with no access other than a standard account on the same server. If security matters to you, ask your host to sandbox properly and disable JSP. James Holmes That's all it says. No explanation of *why*, no links, nufink. Am I missing something? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML to PDF
Damon, Thanks for responding! The challeng is it's not so easy to break as we don't know the length of the content ahead of time, or even if there is an image, much less where the image is in the content (this is all CMS type stuff). - Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML to PDF Hmmm...this could be a known issue where if a table cell extends across pages, long text or images in that table cell can get cut off if CFDOC is doing auto-page breaking. It's on our radar to look at in the future, as is table header cell auto-duplication across pages when page breaks are encountered before a table is closed. The workaround can be to do the break using the CFDOC subtags, and things should render properly. HTH Say, in one of our projects, cfdocument slices text and images in half at page breaks... Why is that? - Calvin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209495 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML to PDF
Our user group did a presentation last night and our user group site home page didn't come across well (http://www.jaxfusion.org/) using cfhttp and cfdocument. It actually only showed the amazon image in the PDF on the first page! Conversely, if you click the pretty validate button on that site, it does validate as HTML 4.01 (the CSS validates as well). - Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: HTML to PDF Not sure what complex HTML is, but full HTML 4.01 and CSS 1 and 2 are supported. If a browser can render it, we liely can as well. No HTML-XHTML re-formatting is required. It is also not very good at complex HTML. Probably loads out there.have a look for iText or some other Java based tool. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209497 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF, doctypes, and quirks mode?
You'll need to examine the various whitespace control techniques out there. Here are some of the options: 1) cfsilent 2) cfsetting 3) Admin settings 4) cffunction/cfcomponent output=false You should be able to use these to eliminate the whitespace that occurs before your opening html tags. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF, doctypes, and quirks mode? Hello, This evening a friend told me if you place your cfquery tags above a header, or doctype dec., the browser would go into quirks mode because CF moves the doctype dec. down. What's the deal with this? Do I need to start placing all my cfqueries below my headers? Thanks, Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209498 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Source control PLUS Deployment control...
AFAIK, Dreameaver ONLY supports SourceSafe. It definitely does NOT support Subversion (I think there is an extension, but when I looked at the CVS extension from the same company, I didn't much care for it.). I don't think the webdav support in DW is sufficient for interfacing with source control (but I could be wrong here). - Calvin -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Source control PLUS Deployment control... I'm jumping into this SCC/deployment discussion pretty late, but wanted to echo the votes for Subversion for source control. On the client side, TortoiseSVN on the Windows client side is excellent and Subclipse is there for Eclipse users. (I haven't seen any Mac users chime in about how it works for them on Dreamweaver, but my Mac friends tell me Subversion repositories can be mounted pretty easily on OS X since it's all Web_DAV under the hood -- that's probably even easier than dealing with Tortoise for simple tasks) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209267 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML to PDF
Upgrade to 7.0 and you'll pay less and get a whole bunch more functionality! :) -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: HTML to PDF Hi guys. I need a solution that will let me build a dynamic HTML page and output it to PDF. I know of ActivPDF but it's currently priced at $1,500 for their webgrabber product. We're currently on CFMX 6.1. Any alternatives? Rey... -- http://www.ReyBango.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209283 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Who's using CF recommendations anyone
You can try this list: http://www.forta.com/cf/using/ - Calvin -Original Message- From: Steve Kahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Who's using CF recommendations anyone Anyone have a good recommendation of companies using cf for their sites. I know I saw a Dell site recently but cant remember the link. Also does anyone have a good article on the benefits of cf to other applications. Thanks Steve ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: HTML to PDF
Say, in one of our projects, cfdocument slices text and images in half at page breaks... Why is that? - Calvin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: HTML to PDF A few intro/demos of the CFDOCUMENT feature and creating printable HTML output in CFMX7 can be found here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/demos/ Damon ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF on shared hosting
Why is Jrun unsuitable? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF on shared hosting - For security, sandboxing should disable CFOBJECT/Createobject() (to prevent Java objects being instantiated) - JSP should not be allowed to run on the CF server (for security reasons) Beyond the rationale that the bundled version of JRun is unsuitable for shared hosting, is there a reason to not support e.g. a different JSP container? I ask because I was considering switching to SmarterLinux for web hosting and they provide JSP using a non-JRun container. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209324 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Who's using CF recommendations anyone
http://www.section508.gov/ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Who's using CF recommendations anyone www.basspro.com www.onemodelplace.com www.logitech.com ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Using CF Variables Returned from a SQL Query
Of course you could use cfset SetVariable(myvarvalue,myVar) instead of using an evaluate (I heard a rumor that evaluate had some performance considerations...). - Calvin -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using CF Variables Returned from a SQL Query No No Nothat's not what I said ;-) OKthe stepped approach ;-) assumptions: -MyField is the anme of the field that conatins the CF vars -MyVar is the name of one of the CF vars contained in MyField 1) retrieve data 2) output the query 3) while outputting the query you: -EVALUATE the value of MyVar cfset MyVarValue = Evaluate(MyVar) -REPLACE the string #MyVar# (in MyField) with it's value cfset MyNewField = ReplaceNoCase(MyField,#MyVar#,MyVarValue,ALL) -use MyNewField as your output instead of the raw MyField All you did was replace a string with another string (even though it looked like a var). You have to replace the string with the evaluated value of the variable. cfoutput query=MyQuery cfset MyVarValue = Evaluate(MyVar) cfset MyNewField = ReplaceNoCase(MyField,#MyVar#,MyVarValue,ALL) #MyNewField # /cfoutput Hope that clears it up ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Stewart, Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: RE: Using CF Variables Returned from a SQL Query It still isn't working. I've tried a couple of things. Before, my query statement was written as: cfoutput query=myQuery #big_text# /cfoutput So I went through and made the changes you suggested, and my text outputted to the screen as: Some text here, some more text, a Evaluate(ColdFusion_Variable) here, some more text, even more text. So then I tried changing my cfoutput statement to this: cfoutput query=myQuery #Evaluate(big_text)# /cfoutput But still no change. I also tried replacing the Evaluate(ColdFusion_Variable) with #Evaluate(ColdFusion_Variable)# but got the same thing. Thanks for taking a stab at it, any more ideas? -Ryan -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Using CF Variables Returned from a SQL Query You'll need to parse out and replace every CF variable in the text (i.e. find this string #ColdFusion_Variable# and replace it with Evaluate(ColdFusion_Variable) ) Hope that helps.have fun ;-) Cheers - Original Message - From: Stewart, Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Using CF Variables Returned from a SQL Query ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source control
What was the reasoning behind the direction change? - Calvin On 6/9/05 8:10 AM, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're and IBM shop so we use ClearCase but reacently it was announced we're moving to CVS...we'll see if that happens I think the migration plan is about 2 years long...and our dept Manager is a Clearcase fan. Adam H On 6/9/05, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/8/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does everyone use for source control? CVS. All Macromedia IT code lives under CVS (free). All Macromedia product team code lives under Perforce (not free). FWIW, Eclipse has great CVS integration. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209079 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source control
Subversion, Clearcase and CVS do not integrate with Dreamweaver, although there are potentially extensions that say they support those Source Control systems, that doesn't mean they are good solutions. For that matter, I think the only SC system that is out of the box supported is VSS, but not the SCCI interface (which products like Clearcase seem to support). Working with Dreamweaver and a Source Control system seems to be a challenge. On the other hand, CVS support is built into Eclipse (and there's a plugin for Clearcase). - Calvin On 6/9/05 10:52 AM, SStewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to backpedal for a second, didn't someone metion one that integrates with Dreamweaver. I'm just discovering that I should've paid attention to this thread Scott A. Stewart, Web Application Developer Engineering Consulting Services, Ltd. (ECS) 14026 Thunderbolt Place, Suite 300 Chantilly, VA 20151 Phone: (703) 995-1737 Fax: (703) 834-5527 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209128 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source control PLUS Deployment control...
I wrote some of what you've described for an internal application (a prototype) for a company that I used to work for, my current company also has a custom built tool for migration management. I don't think it is unheard of at all. I couldn't really recommend a commercial/open source solution for this though, as I haven't had experience with any of them lately. - Calvin On 6/9/05 11:04 AM, Jeff Waris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been following this thread a bit and was wondering if anyone was in the same boat as I am. Right now we run VSS as version control of various CFM's in our test environment. (VSS isn't necessarily our future as it was here before I was and it really isn't suited for what we need for the future) I have an added dilemma to this. I have two separate production environments that I have to keep synced with changes. This can become daunting sometimes figuring out what changes have deployed to what production environment. Technically they should be synced, but that isn't always the case. It would be nice to be able to see what's been deployed where at any given time. I have more twists in this pretzel but that's the largest... -I run sql server here and it would be nice to also be able to keep track of the changes and deployment status of SQL -A ticketing system that can handle requests from our users and a ticketing system that can handle internal tickets for our internal fixes and upgrades. -A web based interface for the ticketing systems that allows our users to see only their tickets and their statuses. Does something like this even exist??? I am sure I am not the only one in the universe that needs to keep track of deployment as well as version control of the actual programs... Anyone have any recommendations?? Jeff ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209129 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source control
I hope so... It seems to me if they used the API, then the tool would more easily, if not out of the box, work with SC systems that support the SCCI interface. Of course, if anyone else feels like this is a worthy suggestion, http://www.macromedia.com/go/wish ! - Calvin On 6/9/05 1:16 PM, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For that matter, I think the only SC system that is out of the box supported is VSS, but not the SCCI interface (which products like Clearcase seem to support). Correct - DW is I think the only development tool I know of that works *directly* with the VSS *database* instead of using the API (SCCI), and its mighty frustrating. Maybe they'll change that in DWMX2006? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209135 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFDocument question
When using cfdocument and an image or even text itself spans a naturally occurring page break, the generated PDF slices the image or text at the break. Is there any way to alter that behavior? - Calvin ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:209149 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFMX 7 XmlSearch on IIS 6 metabase
Has anyone used XmlSearch() on the IIS 6 Metabase? No matter what criteria I pass, CFMX 7 seems to return no results. For example: cfset results = XmlSearch(metabaseXMLObject,/configuration) Gets me nothing (note: there is also a simple parse, file read, and dump surrounding this code). Dumping metabaseXMLObject gives me the full XML object. I'm able to loop through elements such as IIsWebServer as an array as expected. Thoughts? Calvin ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208935 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 XmlSearch on IIS 6 metabase
Unfortunately I can't use those tools at my current location. cfset results = XmlSearch(metabaseXMLObject,//configuration) Also returns no results. There is a namespace reference in the configuration node configuration xmlns=urn:microsoft-catalog:XML_Metabase_V54_0 And removing the xmlns attribute appears to provide me the results that I was expecting... How is this typically handled? - Calvin On 6/8/05 8:17 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cfset results = XmlSearch(metabaseXMLObject,/configuration) Gets me nothing (note: there is also a simple parse, file read, and dump surrounding this code). Dumping metabaseXMLObject gives me the full XML object. I'm able to loop through elements such as IIsWebServer as an array as expected. I am not familiar with IIS 6 Metabase format, but I guess it could use namespaces and this could make your XPath fails. I would suggest to check your XPath experission first, using a dedicated tool like: http://www.purpletech.com/xpe/index.jsp http://www.topxml.com/xpathvisualizer/ Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208937 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 XmlSearch on IIS 6 metabase
I have installation restrictions where I'm at right now :( Well, my short term fix was to replace that xmlns attribute in its entirety with nothing using ReplaceNoCase. That of course feels very clunky and not future proof at all! After doing that all of my xpath queries worked great. - Calvin On 6/8/05 9:24 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately I can't use those tools at my current location. This one is just a set of HTML and JavaScript files that run inside IE (there is a Mozilla version too): http://www.topxml.com/xpathvisualizer/ There is a namespace reference in the configuration node configuration xmlns=urn:microsoft-catalog:XML_Metabase_V54_0 And removing the xmlns attribute appears to provide me the results that I was expecting... How is this typically handled? An empty namespace can be quite tricky with XPath 1.0, since it's not namespace aware. In this specific case I guess the semicolons inside the namespace make things even harder. I am sorry, but I don't have a good answer Massimo ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208946 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 XmlSearch on IIS 6 metabase
I know, but the restriction extends to placing anything from external sources on the workstation. - Calvin On 6/8/05 9:39 AM, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installation restrictions where I'm at right now :( There is nothing to install inside xpathvisualizer, just unzip and open an html file inside your browser Well, my short term fix was to replace that xmlns attribute in its entirety with nothing using ReplaceNoCase. That of course feels very clunky and not future proof at all! After doing that all of my xpath queries worked great. Glad to hear you at least sorted it for the short term. Massimo ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208980 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFFORM - Can I start using it again?
In particular I wouldn't rely on the serverside validation option as it requires client side code to trigger the validation, which of course defeats one purpose of true server side validation (which is not to rely on the client). - Calvin On 6/7/05 9:24 AM, Evan Lavidor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a long time I never used the CFFORM controls because they tended to write bloated JavaScript and non-standards compliant code. I'm now upgrading to CF7, and am looking at all the new cool things with Flash forms and XForms, which all require CFFORM. So, my basic questions are, is CFFORM safe to use again? Are people using it for non-Rich/XForm code? Is the JavaScript better? etc. etc I'm curious what people's experiences with it are. Thanks, Evan ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208839 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Calendar
Has anyone looked at Mishoo's jscalendar? Or was that already mentioned? - Calvin On 6/7/05 12:08 PM, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used a very old version and it was difficult to skin at all. Just took some leg work. I'd use it again for sure. I emailed Greg so he'd reply on here and I'm going to cc him on this so he can answer your questions. Rey... Mark A Kruger wrote: Rey, I'd say you might be right there. The full version is only 40.00 (not 20) - and it looks great. How skinnable is it - does it require a lot of work to change the look? -mark -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Calendar For what it's worth guys, I've used this calendar in the past and it's worked great: http://www.bensonitsolutions.com/index.cfm For $20, you can't go wrong. Rey... ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208840 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Hey. About your access post.
The answer is MSDE and SQL Server 2005 Express though. - Calvin On 6/7/05 1:37 PM, Phillip Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry that was supposed to be a direct question to someone. Dont know why it went right to this list, my apologies again Phil -Original Message- From: Phillip Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hey. About your access post. Hi, How've you been. I just read your post on fusion about supporting access and I noticed you said that sql server has a free version. Would you happen to know where I can get my hands on it? I cant find one on the Microsoft website. Thanks Phil ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208861 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Get New Record ID in mySQL
How about using a UUID for the primary key and then you wouldn't have to do the select? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Get New Record ID in mySQL Aaron Rouse wrote: I am not familar with MySQL but what would be the advantage of using that function over just using cftransaction cfquery ...INSERT INTO myTABLE (myCOLUMNS) VALUES (myVALUES) /cfquery cfquery ... name=get SELECT MAX(ID) AS NewID FROM myTABLE /cfquery /cftransaction This does not guarantee to give the right result. You need a SERIALIZABLE transaction to be guaranteed to get the right result, but that isolation level has a very high concurrency penalty (if it is even implemented correctly for the table handler). Jochem ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208647 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CRM products
Except it isn't in CF and the OP asked for CF (and this is a CF list) :P - Calvin -Original Message- From: Jeremy Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CRM products Check out sugar CRM. http://www.sugarcrm.com -- it's written in php and is open source. Has it all. On 6/6/05, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We maintain a CRM package that we've built over the last 6 years for Financial Advisors and Security Dealers. What kind of functionality are you looking for? Kevin -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CRM products We're looking for a CRM package to integrate with our current offering. Can anyone recommend any (preferably open-source, preferably CF) packages that are out there? Russ ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208749 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les
Sean, How would you recommend working around the remoting/gateway issue? Simply by not using OnRequest (which impacts the ability to use OnError), or would you have a different solution? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les On 6/2/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, don't use OnRequest - that will replace the page that was actually requested. You could use OnRequestStart, or just put them in the pseudo-constructor area I think. No, if you want page-local variables to be accessible in the requested page, you *must* use onRequest(). If you do not use onRequest(), variables set in onRequestStart() are accessible in onRequestEnd() but not in the main page you requested. As soon as you use onRequest(), all three methods share the same variables scope and onRequest() cfincludes the requested page. However, you cannot use onRequest() in an Application.cfc that controls CFCs that are accessed as Web Services, via Flash Remoting or as Event Gateways. Read the documentation for more details on that. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208483 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF vs LAMP
Which has me begging the question again, why develop in CF at all if PHP is that much superior and/or equivalent? - Calvin On 6/3/05 10:00 AM, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE containers and applications, but that's just me :) PHP can do that too: http://us4.php.net/java ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208513 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: fix for moving legacy code to application.cfc w/ local variab les
That certainly makes sense. I recall seeing something about needing to use onRequest to leverage onError in a certain fashion, but I'll be darned if I can remember where I saw that... - Calvin On 6/3/05 10:20 AM, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/3/05, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you recommend working around the remoting/gateway issue? Simply by not using OnRequest (which impacts the ability to use OnError), or would you have a different solution? I would use a different Application.cfc and have the web services / remoting CFCs in their own directory. For commonality, both this Application.cfc and your primary own could extend the same code CFC (containing the common Application.cfc methods). Your primary (webroot) Application.cfc would then add onRequest(). Another option is to have Application.cfc's onRequestStart() method check if targetPage ends in .cfc and, if so, do structDelete(variables,onRequest); structDelete(this,onRequest); (you need both). Note that the primary reason for using onRequest() is to set variables scope data that is accessible in your .cfm page - this scenario simply doesn't apply for web service / Flash Remoting calls! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208516 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs LAMP
I'm not so sure that the logic follows. If you've purchased a new car, it comes with a warranty. Solid companies tend to honor their warranties. Solid companies would probably try to limit their liability with such a warranty by delivering a product that mitigated need to honor the warranty as much as possible by being well built. This will limit their loss (reduction of profit) from taking care of said issues. Not only that, they'll take care of it because they are legally obligated to. The cost not to honor that obligation is probably a bit higher than the cost to do so. And aside from all that, for me personally and I suspect a great deal many others, there's about next to nothing that I can do under the hood of a new BMW anyway without making matters worse, should it need some attention. I think this thread is definitely going OT though! - Calvin -Original Message- From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with its hood welded shut? yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise. BMW is a solid company. A solid company will take care of any issues that arise from my product. Therefore, I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says. Therefore, if my car breaks down, I will wait for BMW engineers to fly from Germany in order to fix my car. Therefore, I'm willing to pay huge amounts of money even if I can fix a very simple problem. Therefore, since I will blindly believe in anything that BMW says, I will believe that it is not BMW's fault if the car breaks down because of faulty manufacturing. Therefore, even if there's conclusive evidence of BMW's negligence, I will stubbornly hold on to the belief that it is really not BMW's fault. I will deceive myself if I have to. Ah... non-critical thinking. If that's how you think, then may God have mercy on your poor soul. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208333 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs LAMP
I don't think so. I think this thread is going off topic because nearly all threads about technology comparisons end up going off topic. Besides, nobody ever implied or said anything like that. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs LAMP
I would say that these comments were more saying that LAMP was a lesser solution, than CF being the only solution, but that would really be something the OP would have to clarify. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP Calvin, I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread; They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them very strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on whiteboard a typical php page, making a db call and returning a recordset. And then I did the same but in cfm, needless to say i was done in less than half the time with smaller readable code. And Seems more trustable then querying a bunch of half-ass cheap ameturs who THINK they know everything but they don't, I surely wouldn't want to base my lively hood on them! If it was meant in a (positive) different way, please tell. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208342 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs LAMP
Wayne, Have you started adding LAMP development to your skillset? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP I had to throw this in: One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is encouraging software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP open source stack. According to Drew Clark, director of strategic insights for IBM's venture capital group, building software using Linux, Apache, MySQL and Perl/PHP/Python (LAMP) is one of the key requisites for VC investment today http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/30/vcs_warm_to_lamp/ I'm a huge fan of CF, but in the UK CF jobs are becoming rarer than hens teeth while PHP is going from strength to strength. It depresses me, but I think CF is becoming increasingly seen as a specialist high end solution due to the way Macromedia are now going for the enterprise market almost exclusively. The danger is that the various components of LAMP are just getting better and better, the pool of developers is growing in size and quality, and large public and private organisations are seriously considering and implementing LAMP projects, where that will leave CF in 5 years I just don't know :( I have an interview tomorrow for an organisation that uses CF, I really hope I get the job as it's the first local CF position I have seen for months and I hate to think when the next one may come up. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs LAMP
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP Holy crap! I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo Ade -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 June 2005 12:36 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP This is true code running in production I had to review once (because there was an error somewhere) http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt Micha Schopman -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 02/06/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion Forum software
Fusetalk seems to be a pretty solid choice. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Forum software Hola peeps... Well, it hurts to say this, but my clients forums have outgrown Ray's Galleon forum, and his users are crying out for a newer/more feature rich forum application. any ideas on a good cfmx based one with these features: 1. private messages 2. emoticons and anything else that cool/new forums have...yes, i could make most of the changes requested, but why recreate the wheel? thanks. -- tony Tony Weeg macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/ cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com ...straight cash homey - randy moss, now a raider ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208354 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF vs LAMP
That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to me! :P -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP .and it was impeccably indented :) On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it had comments! ;-) -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP This is true code running in production I had to review once (because there was an error somewhere) http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt -- Charlie Griefer ...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208404 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
