Re: CSRe: Margins
See if you can find a solution here = *http://tinyurl.com/35ek2xl* Smitty, Thanks. Yes, i drag from right to left but still a whole chunk is left on the right margin. I guess, i don't have a solution to that but moving from line to line. Melly
Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI
Is there the remotest possibility that the infinitely small silver particles can react to the strong magnetism of the MRI machine? I've somehow missed the original message and only saw the reply. Anyway I had an MRI body scan earlier this year. I had asolutely no problems. I take silver erratically but fairly often. I don't take it every day but always have it with me and can go through a bottle (500mls) in a day or two if my stomach, throat etc is bad. The questions they asked before the scan were quite thorough. For instance, many years ago I tore a hole in the cornea of my eye and since I didn't know what had caused that, they insisted on x-raying it first to check there were no metal fragments. I never thought about the silver but as I said, I had no problems. Cheers Kirsteen
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
So many people are now buying groceries at Food Loin and Wallyworld that my GF was laid off at Lowes Foods this week...18 years experience. The High Enders are taking down steps to save money. Word has it that Lowes is going to remodel..probably into a warehouse self serve min wage part timer employer...a step below even WM. They HAVE TO do it, or go bust. Part timers don't get bennies and there are HOARDS of folx looking for ANY sort of work. I've recently hosted two financial refugee families..people living in tents on my land, with children. GF [just turned 57 ] now lives in an old 1960 school bus like I used to. Walked away from her mortgage just in time. [My house is 90% factory.. I sleep in the stock room. ] Her daughter, 3 kids and just back from Iraq hubby are living rent free in an squalid [destroyed by deadbeat ] mobile home I have that I was going to scrap. GF was offered the option of going part time, but 100 miles a day to get to work and back, for 4 hours work a day @ $12 an hour ain't worth it, not even in a 50 MPG 1991 Chevy Metro. BTW Middle management got the axe right after the shirker crowd leaving the cross trained multi tasking crowd getting over worked and stressed out...then THEY got thinned out. Remember the Five and Dime stores ?..that's 5 and 10 cents. The Dollar Tree stores [nothing over a dollar] will have to re-name to that pretty soon5 and 10 dollars. .we're just getting started... Fundamentally Transforming Americainto China ? Ode At 06:31 PM 9/29/2010 -0500, you wrote: And even more interesting is that my husband told me the other day that he read where WM is out of sorts because so many people ARE shopping at the dollar stores, and they figure they are loosing so much money to the dollar stores from what use to be spent in their stores, so they are going to open their own convenience type stores!!! Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- And interestingly enough, Dollar General has opened 3 NEW stores around the outskirts of town, in the last year (not counting their original store downtown). EVERYONE is shopping at Dollar General these days, as a protest to the big WM store .. ':) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and MRI
Nope. Ode At 05:31 PM 9/29/2010 -0400, you wrote: Dear List, This is my first inquiry and it might be a strange one. I will be going in for a MRI in one week to check problems with my prostate (BPH). I have been taking about 3 oz. of ionic/colloidal silver for at least 2 months now after a suspected bladder infection. Is there the remotest possibility that the infinitely small silver particles can react to the strong magnetism of the MRI machine? Sincerely, Joseph Rippy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI
There is NO chance of silver reacting to the MRI. Only ferrous metals
containing the element Iron can react to magnetism. Silver, being an
element, is by definition non-ferrous. Magnets are equally ineffective with
silver, gold, bronze, aluminum, and watermelons.
--- On Thu, 9/30/10, Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 5:14 AM
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there the
remotest possibility that the infinitely small silver particles can
react to the strong magnetism of the MRI machine?
I've somehow missed the original message and only saw the reply. Anyway I had
an MRI body scan earlier this year. I had asolutely no problems. I take silver
erratically but fairly often. I don't take it every day but always have it with
me and can go through a bottle (500mls) in a day or two if my stomach, throat
etc is bad.
The questions they asked before the scan were quite thorough. For instance,
many years ago I tore a hole in the cornea of my eye and since I didn't know
what had caused that, they insisted on x-raying it first to check there were no
metal fragments. I never thought about the silver but as I said, I had no
problems.
Cheers
Kirsteen
Re: CSWill CS interact with any of these?
Great article. dee On 29 Sep 2010, at 21:13, David AuBuchon wrote: This alkalizing mechanism of the body in my understanding is meant to protect the body FROM the cancer , and NOT to fight the cancer. Unfortunately, I believe this mechanism accidentally helps the cancer. Here is an article on cesium therapy for cancer, which is another alkalizing treatment.: http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james14.htm It clearly works well. In this case, there are arguments given why cesium goes right into cancer cells and really raises up their pH locally. So this for example I would not consider a counterproductive alkalizing therapy. In fact, this is probably one of the best stand alone therapies there are. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
[.we're just getting started... Fundamentally Transforming Americainto China ?] The sad truth is, the good old US of A's top dog rating will be overtaken eventually. THIS is the next world power. Fundamentally Transforming *ALL* other trading Nations into third world countries. They must be laughing at us all. Saw an advert on the box earlier...Woolworths own beef...??? Did I hear that right?...WHOSE beef did they say...??? N. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:42:32 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: odecoy...@windstream.net Subject: Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar So many people are now buying groceries at Food Loin and Wallyworld that my GF was laid off at Lowes Foods this week...18 years experience. The High Enders are taking down steps to save money. Word has it that Lowes is going to remodel..probably into a warehouse self serve min wage part timer employer...a step below even WM. They HAVE TO do it, or go bust. Part timers don't get bennies and there are HOARDS of folx looking for ANY sort of work. I've recently hosted two financial refugee families..people living in tents on my land, with children. GF [just turned 57 ] now lives in an old 1960 school bus like I used to. Walked away from her mortgage just in time. [My house is 90% factory.. I sleep in the stock room. ] Her daughter, 3 kids and just back from Iraq hubby are living rent free in an squalid [destroyed by deadbeat ] mobile home I have that I was going to scrap. GF was offered the option of going part time, but 100 miles a day to get to work and back, for 4 hours work a day @ $12 an hour ain't worth it, not even in a 50 MPG 1991 Chevy Metro. BTW Middle management got the axe right after the shirker crowd leaving the cross trained multi tasking crowd getting over worked and stressed out...then THEY got thinned out. Remember the Five and Dime stores ?..that's 5 and 10 cents. The Dollar Tree stores [nothing over a dollar] will have to re-name to that pretty soon5 and 10 dollars. .we're just getting started... Fundamentally Transforming Americainto China ? Ode At 06:31 PM 9/29/2010 -0500, you wrote: And even more interesting is that my husband told me the other day that he read where WM is out of sorts because so many people ARE shopping at the dollar stores, and they figure they are loosing so much money to the dollar stores from what use to be spent in their stores, so they are going to open their own convenience type stores!!! Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- And interestingly enough, Dollar General has opened 3 NEW stores around the outskirts of town, in the last year (not counting their original store downtown). EVERYONE is shopping at Dollar General these days, as a protest to the big WM store .. ':) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Know this is off topic ... but their purpose is to destroy us. That's been the goal from day one. jan So many people are now buying groceries at Food Loin and Wallyworld that my GF was laid off at Lowes Foods this week...18 years experience. The High Enders are taking down steps to save money. Word has it that Lowes is going to remodel..probably into a warehouse self serve min wage part timer employer...a step below even WM. They HAVE TO do it, or go bust. Part timers don't get bennies and there are HOARDS of folx looking for ANY sort of work. I've recently hosted two financial refugee families..people living in tents on my land, with children. GF [just turned 57 ] now lives in an old 1960 school bus like I used to. Walked away from her mortgage just in time. [My house is 90% factory.. I sleep in the stock room. ] Her daughter, 3 kids and just back from Iraq hubby are living rent free in an squalid [destroyed by deadbeat ] mobile home I have that I was going to scrap. GF was offered the option of going part time, but 100 miles a day to get to work and back, for 4 hours work a day @ $12 an hour ain't worth it, not even in a 50 MPG 1991 Chevy Metro. BTW Middle management got the axe right after the shirker crowd leaving the cross trained multi tasking crowd getting over worked and stressed out...then THEY got thinned out. Remember the Five and Dime stores ?..that's 5 and 10 cents. The Dollar Tree stores [nothing over a dollar] will have to re-name to that pretty soon5 and 10 dollars. .we're just getting started... Fundamentally Transforming Americainto China ? Ode
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
In a message dated 9/30/2010 7:56:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, costu...@dnet.net writes: YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Know this is off topic ... but their purpose is to destroy us. That's been the goal from day one. jan You think Walfart is bad--Check out a video called Food Inc. see what Monsanto is doing..We even have novus credo securom under the pyramid on our dollar bills. For some reason now you can't even find it when you do a search...Lois
CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
Monsanto You don't even want to get me started on Monsanto ';( YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Know this is off topic ... but their purpose is to destroy us. That's been the goal from day one. jan You think Walfart is bad--Check out a video called Food Inc. see what Monsanto is doing..We even have novus credo securom under the pyramid on our dollar bills. For some reason now you can't even find it when you do a search...Lois
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT - Original Message - From: Costumes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:19 AM Subject: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar Monsanto You don't even want to get me started on Monsanto ';( -- YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Know this is off topic ... but their purpose is to destroy us. That's been the goal from day one. jan You think Walfart is bad--Check out a video called Food Inc. see what Monsanto is doing..We even have novus credo securom under the pyramid on our dollar bills. For some reason now you can't even find it when you do a search...Lois
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
In a message dated 9/30/2010 9:25:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT With my long distance telephone company---Credo I get free phone calls to my Govt. creatures Guess what they hear--- :-)yes---I also write... Lois
CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
my dip stick congressman hears from me so often its a wonder his staff doesn't put a block on my email address ..Im sure my name's on homeland security's target practice hit list. OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT Monsanto You don't even want to get me started on Monsanto ';( -- YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Know this is off topic ... but their purpose is to destroy us. That's been the goal from day one. jan You think Walfart is bad--Check out a video called Food Inc. see what Monsanto is doing..We even have novus credo securom under the pyramid on our dollar bills. For some reason now you can't even find it when you do a search...Lois
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
I have a feeling that if all of us got together for a cup of coffee some conversation the coffee would be boiling without the use of a stove.. :-) Sorry for all this Mike but every once in awhile the old blood does start to boil...I'll quit now try to be good ..Lois my dip stick congressman hears from me so often its a wonder his staff doesn't put a block on my email address ..Im sure my name's on homeland security's target practice hit list. Does anyone wonder how that got started I won't go there...grin OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
Well that's 3 of us in the USA how about everybody else?!?! What about people in Europe where the European Union is about to remove *all* herbs from the shelves on 4/1/11 if the people don't voice an opposition!!! Come on people, this is your life and the lives of your children and grandchildren! Are we going to let big business govern the world??? PT - Original Message - From: Costumes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar my dip stick congressman hears from me so often its a wonder his staff doesn't put a block on my email address ..Im sure my name's on homeland security's target practice hit list. -- OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT -- Monsanto You don't even want to get me started on Monsanto ';( YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Know this is off topic ... but their purpose is to destroy us. That's been the goal from day one. jan You think Walfart is bad--Check out a video called Food Inc. see what Monsanto is doing..We even have novus credo securom under the pyramid on our dollar bills. For some reason now you can't even find it when you do a search...Lois
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
Don't quit, Lois. That's the problem... too many people have quit! 30 years ago this kind of thing wouldn't have happened because the people wouldn't have stood for it. People have gotten complacent and preoccupied with things like Facebook and Twitter and have lost sight of telling their governing bodies what they want! Another 2 cents... PT - Original Message - From: zzekel...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar I have a feeling that if all of us got together for a cup of coffee some conversation the coffee would be boiling without the use of a stove.. :-) Sorry for all this Mike but every once in awhile the old blood does start to boil...I'll quit now try to be good ..Lois my dip stick congressman hears from me so often its a wonder his staff doesn't put a block on my email address ..Im sure my name's on homeland security's target practice hit list. Does anyone wonder how that got started I won't go there...grin OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
In a message dated 9/30/2010 9:59:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes: Don't quit, Lois. Didn't mean I'd quit messing with the govt. Just trying to tell Mike I'd try to be good on the list..grin,, chuckle ---Did I say Try ??? Lois And with that--It is said that the builderberg group has already plans that the US will be the police force when the world govt. becomes a reality.L
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #800
The 9-11 bill was just passed. The other day i received an email saying that in this bill was inserted an authorization giving Pres. Obama blanket authorization to assassinate American citizens for security reasons...I don't know if this insertion is still there or scratched out when passed but, just the same, friends, be careful. Fed agents are getting meaner now. We try to stay healthy and they bring radiation to our streets, homes, cars, etc..We can't win, can we? They will make us sicker than we are now. We are also in this economic state partly because our gov't has so antagonized most of the world that they did not want to buy our products. Our export market is hurting. Remember Trump's anger when he came back from Europe? Maybe we will have gold-backed currency because no country wants to accept US dollars anymore for their exports. Oil producing nations are demanding payments with any currency except US dollars. This was why they zapped Sadam, he didn't want US dollars as payment for their oil exports. Melly From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #800 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 9:51 AM
Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI
Although you are correct about silver particles not reacting, bulk silver is another matter. If you wear a silver ring into one it will either turn red hot, or rip your finger off as it flys off into the distance. Marshall On 9/30/2010 7:08 AM, Steve G wrote: There is NO chance of silver reacting to the MRI. Only ferrous metals containing the element Iron can react to magnetism.Silver, being an element, is by definition non-ferrous. Magnets are equally ineffective with silver, gold, bronze, aluminum, and watermelons. http://eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/humor/lc.jpg --- On *Thu, 9/30/10, Kirsteen Wright /kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 5:14 AM Is there the remotest possibility that the infinitely small silver particles can react to the strong magnetism of the MRI machine? I've somehow missed the original message and only saw the reply. Anyway I had an MRI body scan earlier this year. I had asolutely no problems. I take silver erratically but fairly often. I don't take it every day but always have it with me and can go through a bottle (500mls) in a day or two if my stomach, throat etc is bad. The questions they asked before the scan were quite thorough. For instance, many years ago I tore a hole in the cornea of my eye and since I didn't know what had caused that, they insisted on x-raying it first to check there were no metal fragments. I never thought about the silver but as I said, I had no problems. Cheers Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRebuttal from ABC
The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: info i...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote: Hello Don, Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our conversations...need some help here...from ABC.. Thanks, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
MA, you refer to ABC and ABL. What do they stand for? Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: CSRebuttal from ABC The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: info i...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote: Hello Don, Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our conversations...need some help here...from ABC.. Thanks, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
Marshal, Thank you very much for the article. Here are some comments on the study. The sequence of events I as read them are: 1) 2 versions of silver nanoparticles were created. One using silver nitrate giving a range of particles from 2 to 18 nm and averaging 8.2 nm. This was called Solution A. The second used silver oxide as the source and had particle sizes similar to the silver nitrate version. This was called Solution B. The tests were performed using the silver nitrate based version. I see no instance where the silver oxide version (Solution B) was used. 2) A solution was also created using large commercially available silver particles (200 mesh). This was used only for the test demonstrating that bulk silver does not react with HCl. That is the test that involved 3 days of magnetic stirring. It showed no creation of silver chloride after the 3 days. 3) The concentration of the HCl used was approximately 18.5% HCl. 4)HCl was added to Solution A and a white product was formed immediately. X-ray powder diffraction (XRD) confirmed that little Ag+ remained in solution and that AgCl was created. This was further confirmed by a UV-vis absorption test that verified the disappearance of the Ag+ absorption peak at 302 nm. 5) The chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in the polymer matrix has also been investigated. Figure 5 shows results similar to (4) above. AgCl was created. 6) The test mentioned in (2) above was performed verifying that bulk silver does not react with HCl. I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens I now have the full article. Anyone wanting it please let me know and I will email it to you. There are some problems with their methodology. 1. They say they make CS by two methods, one which leaves a residue of silver nitrate in the solution, and the other which does not. I cannot find which one they used for the data they are producing. 2. They say that they remove all AgO2 from the non-nitrate solution by centrifuge. Fact is that it is impossible to removed dissolved silver oxide and silver hydroxide by centrifuge. 3. Their curve shows a rise on the front end which indicates silver oxide/hydroxide before adding HCl, but turns down after adding it, indicating that ionic silver was converted to silver 4. They say that adding HCl produced silver chloride immediately as evidenced by the solution turning milky, but that happens anyway with silver oxide or nitrate in the solution from reactions with them. 5. They assume that the loss of the colloid is by producing silver chloride instead of aggregation and precipitation when HCl is added. But it is known that changing the pH of a solution significantly from 7 will cause aggregation and precipitation. 5. Figure 5 shows a peak for colloidal silver of one size particle in (b). In (c) it shows some AgCl peaks and a significant broadening of the spectrum. This broadnening is I believe proof that instead of small consistent particles, it now has variable sized particles, as would be expected if the HCl was causing aggregation. There are too many holes in the paper for me to be convinced that they have not done junk science. I conclude from the data they have supplied that the ionic portion reacted with HCl and that the colloidal portion aggregated, which is exactly what I would have expected. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
I don't know where he is getting these ideas. That there is a fundamental difference between metallic and ionic silver is a mainstay of this group, and to say that no one here is willing to accept that fact is laughable. He is ranting a lot, but not providing any information that I can see, more like shoot the messenger. Marshall On 9/30/2010 12:07 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: infoi...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote: Hello Don, Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our conversations...need some help here...from ABC.. Thanks, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
American Biotech Labs (ABL). ABC is a typo. - Steve N -Original Message- From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRebuttal from ABC MA, you refer to ABC and ABL. What do they stand for? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
Can you specifically tell me what in that paper cannot be explained by the known actions under such conditions of: 1. Small amounts of silver nitrate or silver oxide combined with HCl and converted to silver chloride which precipitated out except for about .8 ppm. 2. The colloid aggregated from the drop in pH and also precipitated out. Figure 5 indicates to me that the major conversion was from very small consistent sized particles to much broader and varying sized particles. The very small area under the curve of the HCl peaks tend to indicate that very very little HCl was formed, as would be expected if from residual nitrate or dissolved oxide, and the large increase in the background indicate that a broad spectrum of particle sizes were formed which is what would be expected if the particles aggregated and dropped out of the solution. I think one should go by prosaic explanations first, and only resort to exotic explanations when the standard ones prove unsupported. Marshall On 9/30/2010 12:27 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Marshal, Thank you very much for the article. Here are some comments on the study. The sequence of events I as read them are: 1) 2 versions of silver nanoparticles were created. One using silver nitrate giving a range of particles from 2 to 18 nm and averaging 8.2 nm. This was called Solution A. The second used silver oxide as the source and had particle sizes similar to the silver nitrate version. This was called Solution B. The tests were performed using the silver nitrate based version. I see no instance where the silver oxide version (Solution B) was used. 2) A solution was also created using large commercially available silver particles (200 mesh). This was used only for the test demonstrating that bulk silver does not react with HCl. That is the test that involved 3 days of magnetic stirring. It showed no creation of silver chloride after the 3 days. 3) The concentration of the HCl used was approximately 18.5% HCl. 4)HCl was added to Solution A and a white product was formed immediately. X-ray powder diffraction (XRD) confirmed that little Ag+ remained in solution and that AgCl was created. This was further confirmed by a UV-vis absorption test that verified the disappearance of the Ag+ absorption peak at 302 nm. 5) The chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in the polymer matrix has also been investigated. Figure 5 shows results similar to (4) above. AgCl was created. 6) The test mentioned in (2) above was performed verifying that bulk silver does not react with HCl. I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens I now have the full article. Anyone wanting it please let me know and I will email it to you. There are some problems with their methodology. 1. They say they make CS by two methods, one which leaves a residue of silver nitrate in the solution, and the other which does not. I cannot find which one they used for the data they are producing. 2. They say that they remove all AgO2 from the non-nitrate solution by centrifuge. Fact is that it is impossible to removed dissolved silver oxide and silver hydroxide by centrifuge. 3. Their curve shows a rise on the front end which indicates silver oxide/hydroxide before adding HCl, but turns down after adding it, indicating that ionic silver was converted to silver 4. They say that adding HCl produced silver chloride immediately as evidenced by the solution turning milky, but that happens anyway with silver oxide or nitrate in the solution from reactions with them. 5. They assume that the loss of the colloid is by producing silver chloride instead of aggregation and precipitation when HCl is added. But it is known that changing the pH of a solution significantly from 7 will cause aggregation and precipitation. 5. Figure 5 shows a peak for colloidal silver of one size particle in (b). In (c) it shows some AgCl peaks and a significant broadening of the spectrum. This broadnening is I believe proof that instead of small consistent particles, it now has variable sized particles, as would be expected if the HCl was causing aggregation. There are too many holes in the paper for me to be convinced that they have not done junk science. I conclude from the data they have supplied that the ionic portion reacted with HCl and that the colloidal portion aggregated, which is exactly what I would have expected. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe:
Re: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
It makes no difference what 'we' do, the rich and powerful will just do as they want anyway - regardless! dee On 30 Sep 2010, at 14:25, needling around wrote: OK, so what is everyone doing about these issues? If in the USA are you writing your congresspeople 'daily' If in other countries are you writing the appropriate people to let them know how you feel? These are our representatives we need to tell them what we want or, like children, they will run amuck! Just my 2 cents! PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were used so let's skip discussing silver oxide. 1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at (111) to be Ag. And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very small sizes of Ag crystallites. Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished. Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver chloride. Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL indicates little or no silver particles remaining. If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from a reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see indications of the silver particles still there. I would also expect to see smaller XRD peaks at (200) and (220) since little silver chloride should be produced by residue silver nitrate. Your conclusions would assume a level of incompetence in the researchers that is unimaginable to me. 2) Figure 4 (There is no Figure 5) is for a separate test in which the chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in a polymer matrix was also been investigated. A separate and unique polyacrylamide (PAM)/Ag nanocomposite was prepared and used for the test. I believe that the broad peaks in Figure 4 are caused by the PAM material. In any case, Figure 4 is not relevant to the Ag/HCl issue. Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study Can you specifically tell me what in that paper cannot be explained by the known actions under such conditions of: 1. Small amounts of silver nitrate or silver oxide combined with HCl and converted to silver chloride which precipitated out except for about .8 ppm. 2. The colloid aggregated from the drop in pH and also precipitated out. Figure 5 indicates to me that the major conversion was from very small consistent sized particles to much broader and varying sized particles. The very small area under the curve of the HCl peaks tend to indicate that very very little HCl was formed, as would be expected if from residual nitrate or dissolved oxide, and the large increase in the background indicate that a broad spectrum of particle sizes were formed which is what would be expected if the particles aggregated and dropped out of the solution. I think one should go by prosaic explanations first, and only resort to exotic explanations when the standard ones prove unsupported. Marshall On 9/30/2010 12:27 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Marshal, Thank you very much for the article. Here are some comments on the study. The sequence of events I as read them are: 1) 2 versions of silver nanoparticles were created. One using silver nitrate giving a range of particles from 2 to 18 nm and averaging 8.2 nm. This was called Solution A. The second used silver oxide as the source and had particle sizes similar to the silver nitrate version. This was called Solution B. The tests were performed using the silver nitrate based version. I see no instance where the silver oxide version (Solution B) was used. 2) A solution was also created using large commercially available silver particles (200 mesh). This was used only for the test demonstrating that bulk silver does not react with HCl. That is the test that involved 3 days of magnetic stirring. It showed no creation of silver chloride after the 3 days. 3) The concentration of the HCl used was approximately 18.5% HCl. 4)HCl was added to Solution A and a white product was formed immediately. X-ray powder diffraction (XRD) confirmed that little Ag+ remained in solution and that AgCl was created. This was further confirmed by a UV-vis absorption test that verified the disappearance of the Ag+ absorption peak at 302 nm. 5) The chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in the polymer matrix has also been investigated. Figure 5 shows results similar to (4) above. AgCl was created. 6) The test mentioned in (2) above was performed verifying that bulk silver does not react with HCl. I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday,
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #801
Steve, You wrote:.I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride. - Steve N My question is, is this good or bad because i take digestive enzymes with HCL? Thanks. Melly --- On Thu, 9/30/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #801 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 3:03 PM
RE: CSRebuttal from ABC
MaryAnn, The gentleman from American Biotech Labs shows a remarkable ignorance regarding his product and silver nanoparticles in general. However, he has a product that provides him a livelihood and I can understand his desire to protect that at any cost. Scientific studies have demonstrated that silver particles are not antimicrobial. It has been demonstrated that only silver ions are antimicrobial. The antimicrobial effectiveness of silver particles actually comes from silver oxide that forms on the silver particle. Silver oxide is partially soluble in water and it is the silver oxide in solution that provides the antimicrobial effect of silver particles. I should note that ionic silver is also immediately effective when used topically and does not have the low solubility issue that silver oxide has. ABL clearly must know this because their product is based on the fact that by using hydrogen peroxide in their colloidal silver generation process, they create a silver oxide on their silver particles as part of the process. This will certainly speed up the killing of microbes when used topically because you do not need to wait for the silver oxide to form. But it probably does nothing for orally ingested ABL colloidal silver. In stomach acid the silver oxide coating will be converted to silver chloride. And a scientific study conducted on silver nanoparticles indicates that silver particles of the size in the ABL colloidal silver will also be rapidly converted to silver chloride. Therefore there is really no difference between ABL colloidal silver and ionic silver when used in vivo. While I would love to trade barbs with Don, there is really no productive outcome when dealing with someone with his mindset. He may however be interested in the following study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16905140 High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid - Steve BTW, the comments regarding negative and positive charged particles is just ignorant marketing BS. -Original Message- From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRebuttal from ABC The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: info i...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I
:RE: CSRebuttal from ABC
MaryAnn, If you forward my response, please delete my email address. I don't need hate mail from a stranger. I get enough from friends. g - Steve N -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRebuttal from ABC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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The validity of the study is still being discussed. Still, I think it is neither good nor bad. EIS has the same proven effectiveness regardless of the study. Enzymes with HCl will have no additional effect on EIS. - Steve N From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #801 Steve, You wrote:.I would have to say that it appears to me that the tests did indeed demonstrate that Ag nanoparticles have an unusually high chemical nanoreactivity in the reaction with hydrochloric acid. And a surprisingly rapid conversion to silver chloride. - Steve N My question is, is this good or bad because i take digestive enzymes with HCL? Thanks. Melly
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
On 9/30/2010 3:03 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were used so let's skip discussing silver oxide. 1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at (111) to be Ag. I presume you mean figure 4, there is no figure 5. Actually they identify it as Ag(111). Do you know what these number (111, 220) are referring to? Somehow they do not make sense, for instance in Fig. 1(b) 311 is locatd between 220 and 222, and 222 is located between 311 and 400. Also the 111 peak jumps around depending on where they seem to want it, moving far left on the 1(b). Somehow this does not seem right and is inconsistent with other paper's reports of these peaks. And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very small sizes of Ag crystallites. The peak at 111 is simply one of many possible forms of Ag crystal, including 200, 220 and 311. Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished. Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver chloride. Are the peaks at 200 and 220 REALLY silver chloride? Figure 1B of another paper ( www.springerlink.com/index/710W187LW403T65T.pdf ) says that this is simply different forms of silver crystals - Figure 1B .. A number of strong Bragg reflections can be seen which correspond to the (111), (200), (220), (311) reflections of cc (cubic crystals of) silver. If this is accurate, and I believe it is, that completely blows their theory out of the water since these peaks correspond with aggregated silver crystals and not silver chloride. Since (111) is I believe the smallest crystal form, then that it diminishes and the other forms increase is completely expected when particles aggregate into larger crystals. Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL indicates little or no silver particles remaining. This is true for both of our analysis. They presume that the silver chloride precipitates out, I presume that the aggregated silver particles precipitate out. That is that this result supports both hypothesizes. Actually it is VERY easy to test which is correct. Take some 20 ppm EIS, and add a pinch of salt to it and let the silver chloride precipitate out. Then add the HCl and see if you get any additional silver chloride, if not then I am right, if so then they are. If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from a reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see indications of the silver particles still there. Not if they aggregate and precipitate out as I have found they do when the pH is dropped significantly. Colloidal silver is only stable in water that is very near neutral or pH of 7. I see nothing that they are doing that would prevent this expected aggregation and precipitation when they drop the pH significantly. I would also expect to see smaller XRD peaks at (200) and (220) since little silver chloride should be produced by residue silver nitrate. Your conclusions would assume a level of incompetence in the researchers that is unimaginable to me. No, they should be larger. First when hydrochloric acid is added to silver nitrate it produces silver chloride and nitric acid. But that should not change the peaks at 200 and 220 since those are crystalline forms of silver (see additional analysis of this below). When the crystals aggregate then the 111 drops and the higher orders increase. These lines are NOT silver chloride but simply larger silver particles as expected. I am not making any assumptions, I am simply analyzing the data, but I do question their competence somewhat now upon further research. If we follow what happens if ANY silver nitrate is present we get the following actions: AgNO3 + HCl - AgCl + HNO3 (nitric acid) HNO3 + Ag - AgNO3 + HCl This means that if you have ANY silver nitrate available, it will take place in a sequence of actions that will result in the conversion of silver to silver chloride when HCl is added, but will remain unchanged, that is it would be an active catalyst. Thus even if silver chloride IS generated when adding HCl, the results are nullified if there is even a trace of silver nitrate available since it would be taking place in the reaction. 2) Figure 4 (There is no Figure 5) is for a separate test in which the chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles in a polymer matrix was also been investigated. A separate and unique polyacrylamide (PAM)/Ag nanocomposite was prepared and used for the
CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar
I thought that was supposed to be NATO, Lois ... Bilderbergs want to destroy the USA and take us down to less than 3rd world nation status ...The whole issue is that the globalists hate our guts, hate the republic, hate free enterprise ... hate capitalism ... and the way their playboy is laying the cards out on the table, they're in the process of making us militarily impotent .. So how could the USA stand as a world police agency ?? When they're finished w us, we wont' even have the toilet tissue to wipe our own jan (Mike's probably looking at ME right now ... and going oh nooo ... who let her in here?? ...) lol Don't quit, Lois. Didn't mean I'd quit messing with the govt. Just trying to tell Mike I'd try to be good on the list..grin,, chuckle ---Did I say Try ??? Lois And with that--It is said that the builderberg group has already plans that the US will be the police force when the world govt. becomes a reality.L
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #800
the days of man are numbered The 9-11 bill was just passed. The other day i received an email saying that in this bill was inserted an authorization giving Pres. Obama blanket authorization to assassinate American citizens for security reasons...I don't know if this insertion is still there or scratched out when passed but, just the same, friends, be careful. Fed agents are getting meaner now. We try to stay healthy and they bring radiation to our streets, homes, cars, etc..We can't win, can we? They will make us sicker than we are now. We are also in this economic state partly because our gov't has so antagonized most of the world that they did not want to buy our products. Our export market is hurting. Remember Trump's anger when he came back from Europe? Maybe we will have gold-backed currency because no country wants to accept US dollars anymore for their exports. Oil producing nations are demanding payments with any currency except US dollars. This was why they zapped Sadam, he didn't want US dollars as payment for their oil exports. --
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
Marshall, You are correct, I meant Figure 4. I did try and learn something about X-ray powder diffraction but was not successful in the time I have. The numbers (111, 220) refer to planes of atoms in a crystal. I found the following interesting: http://prism.mit.edu/xray/BasicsofXRD.ppt But it appears that you need a computer with a database to search for the unique diffraction patterns for specific crystals. So I compared the diffraction patterns in Figure 4 with those in Figure 1. The two planes (200 and 222) identified in Figure 4 show up in Figure 1(b) at the same 2 theta angles as in Figure 4. So I felt that they did indeed represent silver chloride. Similarly Ag(111) in Figure 4 shows up at the 2 theta angle of 40. That same (111) shows up in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). I took this to indicate Ag in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). There is a (111) in Figure 1(b) but it is at the wrong 2 theta angle for silver so I assume it is some crystal other than Ag. Admittedly this is somewhat simplistic but it is the best I can do under the circumstances. I am open to other information. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study On 9/30/2010 3:03 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were used so let's skip discussing silver oxide. 1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at (111) to be Ag. I presume you mean figure 4, there is no figure 5. Actually they identify it as Ag(111). Do you know what these number (111, 220) are referring to? Somehow they do not make sense, for instance in Fig. 1(b) 311 is locatd between 220 and 222, and 222 is located between 311 and 400. Also the 111 peak jumps around depending on where they seem to want it, moving far left on the 1(b). Somehow this does not seem right and is inconsistent with other paper's reports of these peaks. And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very small sizes of Ag crystallites. The peak at 111 is simply one of many possible forms of Ag crystal, including 200, 220 and 311. Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished. Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver chloride. Are the peaks at 200 and 220 REALLY silver chloride? Figure 1B of another paper ( www.springerlink.com/index/710W187LW403T65T.pdf ) says that this is simply different forms of silver crystals - Figure 1B .. A number of strong Bragg reflections can be seen which correspond to the (111), (200), (220), (311) reflections of cc (cubic crystals of) silver. If this is accurate, and I believe it is, that completely blows their theory out of the water since these peaks correspond with aggregated silver crystals and not silver chloride. Since (111) is I believe the smallest crystal form, then that it diminishes and the other forms increase is completely expected when particles aggregate into larger crystals. Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL indicates little or no silver particles remaining. This is true for both of our analysis. They presume that the silver chloride precipitates out, I presume that the aggregated silver particles precipitate out. That is that this result supports both hypothesizes. Actually it is VERY easy to test which is correct. Take some 20 ppm EIS, and add a pinch of salt to it and let the silver chloride precipitate out. Then add the HCl and see if you get any additional silver chloride, if not then I am right, if so then they are. If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from a reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see indications of the silver particles still there. Not if they aggregate and precipitate out as I have found they do when the pH is dropped significantly. Colloidal silver is only stable in water that is very near neutral or pH of 7. I see nothing that they are doing that would prevent this expected aggregation and precipitation when they drop the pH significantly. I would also expect to see smaller XRD peaks at (200) and (220) since little silver chloride should be produced by residue silver nitrate. Your conclusions would assume a level of incompetence in the researchers that is unimaginable to me. No, they should be larger. First when hydrochloric
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
Well, I am planning on buying some HCl tonight so I can run the test properly and find out for sure. Marshall On 9/30/2010 6:09 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Marshall, You are correct, I meant Figure 4. I did try and learn something about X-ray powder diffraction but was not successful in the time I have. The numbers (111, 220) refer to planes of atoms in a crystal. I found the following interesting: http://prism.mit.edu/xray/BasicsofXRD.ppt But it appears that you need a computer with a database to search for the unique diffraction patterns for specific crystals. So I compared the diffraction patterns in Figure 4 with those in Figure 1. The two planes (200 and 222) identified in Figure 4 show up in Figure 1(b) at the same 2 theta angles as in Figure 4. So I felt that they did indeed represent silver chloride. Similarly Ag(111) in Figure 4 shows up at the 2 theta angle of 40. That same (111) shows up in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). I took this to indicate Ag in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). There is a (111) in Figure 1(b) but it is at the wrong 2 theta angle for silver so I assume it is some crystal other than Ag. Admittedly this is somewhat simplistic but it is the best I can do under the circumstances. I am open to other information. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study On 9/30/2010 3:03 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were used so let's skip discussing silver oxide. 1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at (111) to be Ag. I presume you mean figure 4, there is no figure 5. Actually they identify it as Ag(111). Do you know what these number (111, 220) are referring to? Somehow they do not make sense, for instance in Fig. 1(b) 311 is locatd between 220 and 222, and 222 is located between 311 and 400. Also the 111 peak jumps around depending on where they seem to want it, moving far left on the 1(b). Somehow this does not seem right and is inconsistent with other paper's reports of these peaks. And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very small sizes of Ag crystallites. The peak at 111 is simply one of many possible forms of Ag crystal, including 200, 220 and 311. Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished. Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver chloride. Are the peaks at 200 and 220 REALLY silver chloride? Figure 1B of another paper ( www.springerlink.com/index/710W187LW403T65T.pdf ) says that this is simply different forms of silver crystals - Figure 1B .. A number of strong Bragg reflections can be seen which correspond to the (111), (200), (220), (311) reflections of cc (cubic crystals of) silver. If this is accurate, and I believe it is, that completely blows their theory out of the water since these peaks correspond with aggregated silver crystals and not silver chloride. Since (111) is I believe the smallest crystal form, then that it diminishes and the other forms increase is completely expected when particles aggregate into larger crystals. Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL indicates little or no silver particles remaining. This is true for both of our analysis. They presume that the silver chloride precipitates out, I presume that the aggregated silver particles precipitate out. That is that this result supports both hypothesizes. Actually it is VERY easy to test which is correct. Take some 20 ppm EIS, and add a pinch of salt to it and let the silver chloride precipitate out. Then add the HCl and see if you get any additional silver chloride, if not then I am right, if so then they are. If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from a reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see indications of the silver particles still there. Not if they aggregate and precipitate out as I have found they do when the pH is dropped significantly. Colloidal silver is only stable in water that is very near neutral or pH of 7. I see nothing that they are doing that would prevent this expected aggregation and precipitation when they drop the pH significantly. I would also expect to see smaller XRD peaks at (200) and (220) since little silver chloride should be produced by residue silver nitrate. Your conclusions would
Re: CSActive Hydrogen vs Negative Hydrogen Ions.
If you are saying that the drinking output of an alkaline water machine is the same at Draino, you are writing nonsense and confusing silver list members. The water separates into an output tube and a waste tube. The water from the waste tube is acidic and is not for human consumption. On Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010, at 19:36 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: Electrolytic Water Generator HOSHIZAKI ELECTRIC CO. LTD. Japanese Appl. 8/309,3 5 7 An electrolytic H,O generator has an electrolyser divided into three cells by a pair of diaphragms; one cell containing a Pt-Ir electrode. Electrolysis is performed between cells 1 and 2 and washing electrolysis between 2 and 3. The generator produces alkali ion H,O and acid H,O by electrolysing ***city*** H,O, *** dilute salt*** H,O, etc. Electrolysis of the electrolysed HzO can be performed efficiently using the Pt-Ir electrode, while effectively removing scale caused by Ca and Mg. http://www.platinummetalsreview.com/pdf/pmr-v41-i3-148-152.pdf Applying current to Dilute Salt results in Sodium Hydroxide [Lye] and Hypochlorous Acid...or Calcium Hydroxide etc, depending on what sorts of minerals are in that ***city*** water Red Devil or Draino is heck of a lot easier and cheaper way to get the same thing. ..and a Zapper DOES the same thing in YOUR bag of salt water...essentially MMS made in vitro, with it's antidote right around the corneror that same Alkyline water with ITs antidote right around the corner. Ode At 06:50 AM 9/29/2010 +0900, you wrote: The latest (and most expensive) alkaline water device from National (Matsushita Denki) in Japan features an ORP readout for each of the pH choices.The highest ORP is around 540 for pH 9.5. On Wednesday, Sep 29, 2010, at 04:19 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote: One element we found to be importantthe Oxygen Reduction Potential (regardless of of source) is of enormous consequenceto the orderly/healthy maintenance of general health parameters. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: EXTERNAL:CSCS and MRI
Aluminum will float in a magnetic field. We did this in a college lab (way back when transistors had just been invented). Chuck Two elderly ladies had been friends for many decades. Over the years, they had shared all kinds of activities and adventures. Lately, their activities had been limited to meeting a few times a week to play cards. One day, they were playing cards when one looked at the other and said, Now don't get mad at me.. I know we've been friends for a long time but I just can't think of your name. I've thought and thought, but I can't remember it. Please tell me what your name is. Her friend glared at her. For at least three minutes she just stared and glared at her. Finally she said, How soon do you need to Know? On 9/30/2010 11:45:35 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Although you are correct about silver particles not reacting, bulk silver is another matter. If you wear a silver ring into one it will either turn red hot, or rip your finger off as it flys off into the distance. Marshall On 9/30/2010 7:08 AM, Steve G wrote: There is NO chance of silver reacting to the MRI. Only ferrous metals containing the element Iron can react to magnetism.Silver, being an element, is by definition non-ferrous. Magnets are equally ineffective with silver, gold, bronze, aluminum, and wa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC
Hi Steve. LOL -- you got it! Thanks for your reply -- it was a beaut! MA - Original Message From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:55:22 PM Subject: :RE: CSRebuttal from ABC MaryAnn, If you forward my response, please delete my email address. I don't need hate mail from a stranger. I get enough from friends. g - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic c discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study
OK, I bought the HCl, and seeded a glass of 20 ppm EIS with a couple of salt crystals. I am now waiting for the silver chloride to settle out to finish the test. Marshall On 9/30/2010 6:16 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Well, I am planning on buying some HCl tonight so I can run the test properly and find out for sure. Marshall On 9/30/2010 6:09 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Marshall, You are correct, I meant Figure 4. I did try and learn something about X-ray powder diffraction but was not successful in the time I have. The numbers (111, 220) refer to planes of atoms in a crystal. I found the following interesting: http://prism.mit.edu/xray/BasicsofXRD.ppt But it appears that you need a computer with a database to search for the unique diffraction patterns for specific crystals. So I compared the diffraction patterns in Figure 4 with those in Figure 1. The two planes (200 and 222) identified in Figure 4 show up in Figure 1(b) at the same 2 theta angles as in Figure 4. So I felt that they did indeed represent silver chloride. Similarly Ag(111) in Figure 4 shows up at the 2 theta angle of 40. That same (111) shows up in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). I took this to indicate Ag in Figure 1(a) but not in Figure 1(b). There is a (111) in Figure 1(b) but it is at the wrong 2 theta angle for silver so I assume it is some crystal other than Ag. Admittedly this is somewhat simplistic but it is the best I can do under the circumstances. I am open to other information. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS and killing of pathogens - Comments on HCl Study On 9/30/2010 3:03 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: The paper specifically states for each test except 5 and 6 in my original comments that the silver nitrate derived nanoparticles were used so let's skip discussing silver oxide. 1) Figure 1(a) shows the composition of the silver nitrate derived silver nanoparticle solution. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peak at (111) to be Ag. I presume you mean figure 4, there is no figure 5. Actually they identify it as Ag(111). Do you know what these number (111, 220) are referring to? Somehow they do not make sense, for instance in Fig. 1(b) 311 is locatd between 220 and 222, and 222 is located between 311 and 400. Also the 111 peak jumps around depending on where they seem to want it, moving far left on the 1(b). Somehow this does not seem right and is inconsistent with other paper's reports of these peaks. And Figure 1(a) clearly shows a prominent peak at (111). The broadening of peaks in Figure 1(a) is described as indicating the very small sizes of Ag crystallites. The peak at 111 is simply one of many possible forms of Ag crystal, including 200, 220 and 311. Figure 1(b) shows the composition of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL. The Ag peak at (111) is greatly diminished. Significant peaks at (200) and (220) now show in the XRD pattern. Figure 5 identifies the XRD peaks at (200) and (220) as belonging to silver chloride. Are the peaks at 200 and 220 REALLY silver chloride? Figure 1B of another paper ( www.springerlink.com/index/710W187LW403T65T.pdf ) says that this is simply different forms of silver crystals - Figure 1B .. A number of strong Bragg reflections can be seen which correspond to the (111), (200), (220), (311) reflections of cc (cubic crystals of) silver. If this is accurate, and I believe it is, that completely blows their theory out of the water since these peaks correspond with aggregated silver crystals and not silver chloride. Since (111) is I believe the smallest crystal form, then that it diminishes and the other forms increase is completely expected when particles aggregate into larger crystals. Now, combine those results with the UV-vis absorption spectra shown in Figure 2. The spectra of the silver solution after the reaction with HCL indicates little or no silver particles remaining. This is true for both of our analysis. They presume that the silver chloride precipitates out, I presume that the aggregated silver particles precipitate out. That is that this result supports both hypothesizes. Actually it is VERY easy to test which is correct. Take some 20 ppm EIS, and add a pinch of salt to it and let the silver chloride precipitate out. Then add the HCl and see if you get any additional silver chloride, if not then I am right, if so then they are. If the silver chloride resulted from only silver nitrate and not from a reaction of HCl with the silver nanoparticles, I would expect to see indications of the silver particles still there. Not if they aggregate and precipitate out as I have found they do when the pH is dropped significantly. Colloidal silver is only stable in water that is very near neutral or pH of 7. I see nothing that they are doing that would prevent this expected aggregation
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
Yes -- but Marshall -- what about his assertion that large particle and ionic silver are the same thing? And that ionic silver adds nothing to the healing process? MA - Original Message From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com I don't know where he is getting these ideas. That there is a fundamental difference between metallic and ionic silver is a mainstay of this group, and to say that no one here is willing to accept that fact is laughable. He is ranting a lot, but not providing any information that I can see, more like shoot the messenger. Marshall On 9/30/2010 12:07 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: infoi...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote: Hello Don, Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our conversations...need some help here...from ABC.. Thanks, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List
Re: CSRebuttal from ABC
Ah -- sorry PT -- I was using the letters used by the person who is challenging me. She referred to them as ABC, so I did too. They referred to themselves as ABL -- so that must be right. It's American Biologic somethingorother -- I thought probably Corporation -- prob'ly not. MA - Original Message From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:19:47 AM Subject: Re: CSRebuttal from ABC MA, you refer to ABC and ABL. What do they stand for? Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: CSRebuttal from ABC The following is a request for information from the person questioning me on the use of our home-made CS, and the response from the guy at ABC. Who is Don, anyway -- anyone know? I would appreciate responses from our CS-experts here, so that I can respond back. Thanks. MA This is what I received on CS from the ABL contactand it is not kindso I am not posting it to the list. I prefer to not incite people which only drives them deeper into denial and cancels the opportunity for me to teach and them to learn. But you can see that there is difficulty in understanding the science with the general public. Begin forwarded message: From: info i...@lifesilver.com Date: September 28, 2010 10:29:47 AM MDT Subject: Re: need some clarification here...for my clients Whew, that is a long thread. Right up front I see the common problem, though. I was once a member of a yahoo list called silver pets. They were, just as this one is, unable to grasp the difference between ionic home made silver, and pure elemental silver solutions. To attempt to explain, to people like this, the very fundamental differences in the two types of silver preparations is greeted as heresy. They are so locked into their erroneous beliefs that nothing could convince them differently. I finally wrote them off as Luddites, and moved on. Your group seems of much the same mindset. The fact that large amounts of silver are being retained in their horses indicates large particle, ionic silver ingestion. Ionic particles, because of their positive particle electron charge, readily begin bonding with other organic substances, as soon as they enter the organism. This creates salts and compounds which are hard to excrete and add nothing to the healing process, because they are no longer silver, but something else. This is why they are The ABL products pass through the body unchanged, due to their negative electron charge. They are excreted quickly. They do not get bound up in other chemical relationships. They have absolutely no effect on the mineral balance of the organism, as they do not form compounds. Fat chance that you will convince your colleagues of this. They are locked into the theory that; Why should I pay for something that I can make for pennies? It all the same stuff. I could go through this thread, point by point, and present credible, independent, peer reviewed science to support these facts, but why bother? They either will not, or cannot grasp the scientific principle involved. You can always cut/paste excerpts from the studies listed on my Clinical Studies page. I will be putting up several more studies this week, since ABL has taken down their research page. I am glad I save some of those. I attached the Penn State. peer reviewed and journal published study. It was the basis for the 3rd US Patent. This patent actually protects the elemental silver particle. Good luck with this gang. I fear that you are tilting at windmills. Some people will defend their ignorance to their graves. I lost three friends over the past 18 months. They all went into the hospital for serious conditions (cancer, MS), but they all died within days from sepsis of resistant infections that they contracted after entering the hospital, not their original complaint. Two, that I found out about early, were offered free silver. It was declined. They were both in Tulsa and Lori could have had it in their hands within an hour. Sigh... I attached a couple of documents that you might find helpful. Don On 9/28/2010 4:59 PM, Biochemist wrote: Hello Don, Having a problem with a group of people on my list who are defending the use of CS on horses for long termfollowing is a document of our conversations...need some help here...from ABC.. Thanks, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives:
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MA, I tested my Walmart DW, and it was Zero. Tested the first 3 quarts that I brewed on fast at a setting of 4, with the silver particles, and they were all around 11. Tested the fourth quart that I brewed on standard at a setting of 3, without the silver particles, and it was 5. So ... I guess Im moving right along ; jan
CS[List Owner] A little topic trim, please...
Hiya, Gang! If I could get y'all to either end the political commentary thread or take it to the Off Topic list, it'd be very nice of ya, and your List Owner would be most happy. That'd be the one with the Subject line that looks like: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar Talking about Builder-Burgers and Alumi-nazis on the main list is a sure recipe for upsetting people and/or distracting us from the more important things we're doing. We've gotten by this time so far, but let's not push it, 'kay? Instructions for joining the OT list are at the web site, www.silverlist.org ... Peace, my silvery brethren and sistren... Mike D. list owner dude... = in strange mood. grin [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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My apologies. jan ... reaching for my duct tape ... ';} Hiya, Gang! If I could get y'all to either end the political commentary thread or take it to the Off Topic list, it'd be very nice of ya, and your List Owner would be most happy. That'd be the one with the Subject line that looks like: CS[Equine_Solutions_Network] people particles on bottom of jar Talking about Builder-Burgers and Alumi-nazis on the main list is a sure recipe for upsetting people and/or distracting us from the more important things we're doing. We've gotten by this time so far, but let's not push it, 'kay? Instructions for joining the OT list are at the web site, www.silverlist.org ... Peace, my silvery brethren and sistren... Mike D. list owner dude... = in strange mood. grin [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
