Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Actaully, I've seen the results of taking English text and treating
it as ABC.
Actually I think it is a program out there that does that.
I think that's probably my one, TIAO (Text In Abc Out) - VBScript only at
the moment so useless for all
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, John Chambers wrote:
Eric writes:
| I don't want to do that myself, you understand; just curious, because it
| was such a very long time that they weren't available.
|
| On the other hand, I'm sure the copyright has expired by now
Part of the fun of this story
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| And one of the properties of Hebrew/Aramaic is that usually only the
| consonants are written. It turns out that nearly every string of 3 or
| 4 consonants is a word, so you can "read" most sequences of random
| letters. Whether this is sensible is another
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, John Chambers wrote:
Richard Robinson [w]rites:
| On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Wendy Galovich wrote:
|
|Really?? What do the Dead Sea Scrolls sound like in abc?? :-)
| (Sorry John, I couldn't resist!)
|
| Quite right too - it's the best bit of bait I've seen in ages :)
John Chambers wrote:
|
| Really?? What do the Dead Sea Scrolls sound like in abc?? :-)
| (Sorry John, I couldn't resist!)
Hmm ... Maybe we could find the transcriptions on the Web, stick an
ABC header on a few passages, and see what they sound like. It makes
as much sense as
"James" == James Allwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
James On the topic of voice numbers needing to be contiguous
James (Laura's post); this restriction did exist in early
James versions of abc2midi, but the current version should allow
James non-contiguous voice numbers.
No,
John Chambers wrote:
Still, I'd estimate that there are maybe 20K truly distinct ABC tunes
on the web that my search program has found, on about 125 machines.
Here are the 123 ABC sites I've listed at The Free Sheet Music Directory.
It's probably not absolutely identical to John's list
Richard Robinson wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Wendy Galovich wrote:
At 09:31 PM 1/5/2001 UTC, John Chambers wrote:
... In a couple cases, people have scanned in music
so that others can transcribe it to abc. (This isn't unusual; it has
been done with a lot of old documents, most
John Chambers wrote:
Laura writes:
| I think the problem is that parsing lilypond files is more complicated
| because they potentially have more structure than ABC files, and can
| have includes, etc. I don't know how difficult what you do with the
| ABC would be in practice.
I think
On Juanury 4th John Henckel suggested to make the abc notation XML
compatible, but then said he had changed his mind since that would have
meant would sacrifying too much of the clarity and
usability of ABC.
Richard Robinsons replyed:
Have you ever looked at raw musixtex, as, eg, hint hint,
Eric writes:
| I don't want to do that myself, you understand; just curious, because it
| was such a very long time that they weren't available.
|
| On the other hand, I'm sure the copyright has expired by now
Part of the fun of this story was that the original "owners" tried to
make a
"Frank" == Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Frank Wil Macaulay wrote:
Lets have a little reality check here, and ask ourselves a
couple of simple questions: Why are there almost twenty
thousand tunes freely available in abc format on the internet,
more
Laura writes:
| "Frank" == Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| Frank Wil Macaulay wrote:
| Lets have a little reality check here, and ask ourselves a
| couple of simple questions: Why are there almost twenty
| thousand tunes freely available in abc format on the
At 09:31 PM 1/5/2001 UTC, John Chambers wrote:
... In a couple cases, people have scanned in music
so that others can transcribe it to abc. (This isn't unusual; it has
been done with a lot of old documents, most notoriously with the Dead
Sea Scrolls.)
Really?? What do the Dead Sea
"John" == John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John In a couple cases, people have scanned in music so that
John others can transcribe it to abc. (This isn't unusual; it
John has been done with a lot of old documents, most notoriously
John with the Dead Sea Scrolls.)
We
I'm astonished to hear that the Dead Sea Scrolls have been translated to abc,
it's more versatile than I thought ;) But all kidding aside, the ultimate value
of tunes as a resource is to be found when you've got a sizeable quantity of
them freely available for expert users (and here, by the
John Chambers wrote:
I wonder how feasible it would be to add other formats to my abc
search bot? I've glanced at lilypond and MusicXML, but not long
enough to grok how I might write code to extract information such as
titles, keys, etc. I looked into adding midi to my index,
| I'm astonished to hear that the Dead Sea Scrolls have been translated to abc,
| it's more versatile than I thought ;) But all kidding aside, the ultimate value
| of tunes as a resource is to be found when you've got a sizeable quantity of
| them freely available for expert users (and here, by
Wendy quipped:
| At 09:31 PM 1/5/2001 UTC, John Chambers wrote:
| ... In a couple cases, people have scanned in music
| so that others can transcribe it to abc. (This isn't unusual; it has
| been done with a lot of old documents, most notoriously with the Dead
| Sea Scrolls.)
|
| Really??
Laura writes:
| I think the problem is that parsing lilypond files is more complicated
| because they potentially have more structure than ABC files, and can
| have includes, etc. I don't know how difficult what you do with the
| ABC would be in practice.
I think you're right. Includes are
At 04:39 PM 1/5/2001 +0100, Frank wrote:
I've started building a multiformat sheet music search engine, indexing
music in GIF, JPEG, PS, PDF and ABC formats (the only truly
cross-platform compatible formats for notated music).
What?? You forgot the most important one! MIDI files are
Eric wrote:
|
| Well, I haven't looked much at MusicXML, so I can't really comment
| there. However, with Lilypond, look for a \header block (Lily syntax is
| sort of similar to TeX, since it translates to TeX which actually does
| the typesetting). It looks something like:
|
| \header {
|
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, John Chambers wrote:
Still, I'd estimate that there are maybe 20K truly distinct ABC tunes
on the web that my search program has found, on about 125 machines.
I've found a couple dozen new sites in the past month or so. Most of
them are small, but there was one site
Richard Robinson wrote:
| On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, John Chambers wrote:
|
| Is this feasible with any other musical formats?
|
| Yeah. You grab an instrument, go down the local pub, meet up with some
| other players, and play your tunes at them and let them do the same to
| you; and pretty soon
John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
It might be interesting to try to get together all the V: syntax that
is currently implemented. I've made a summary of what abc2ps does at:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ABCtut_Voices.html
I'd like to augment the little table with things
One problem with multivoice abc which confuses users no
end is that there is no way of inserting global fields
(i.e. fields which apply to all voices) within a tune.
I often get messages from users asking why doesn't this
work:
K:C
V:1 abc
V:2 abc
V:3 abc
K:G
V:1 abc
V:2 abc
V:3 abc
What
On Thu 04 Jan 2001 at 09:48AM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
It was probably something like this which prompted Jean-
Francois to suggest that a P: field should reset the voice
number to 1. In viewer programs the P: field is simply a
label to be written above the first voice, but in player
On Thu 04 Jan 2001 at 03:03PM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
On Thu 04 Jan 2001 at 09:48AM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
It was probably something like this which prompted Jean-
Francois to suggest that a P: field should reset the voice
number to 1. In viewer programs the P: field is simply a
sigh
You are absolutely right, XML is extensible, logical, and clean - to
parsers. There are even music-related DTDs. Maybe we should
write _all_music in XML - get rid of those funny dots, and stop
pretending that an open oval _really_ somehow has a time value
equal to four times a closed oval
John Chambers a skrivas:
Bob wrote:
| At 12:10 PM 02-01-01 +0100, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
| $ Starting a new part (P:) or giving a subtitle (T:) silently imply
| $ switching to the first voice.
|
| Is the automatic switching to the first voice desirable / necessary? It
| seems to me it
Jean-Francois.Moine skribis:
| John Chambers a skrivas:
| [snip]
| V: label par1=value1 par2=value2 ...
| docs that come with abc2ps say that the label may be any "word",
| but all the examples seem to use numbers.
|
| False: look at 'voices.abc' (abc2ps-1.3.0): you will see an
"Jean-Francois" == Jean-Francois Moine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jean-Francois As nobody did it yet, here is a definition of the
Jean-Francois V: field to be included in the ABC draft.
Jean-Francois $ V:voiceyesV:2, V:Soprano
We need a
Laura Conrad wrote:
"Jean-Francois" == Jean-Francois Moine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jean-Francois As nobody did it yet, here is a definition of the
Jean-Francois V: field to be included in the ABC draft.
Jean-Francois $ V:voiceyes
V:2, V:Soprano
We need a
| Steve Mansfield wrote:
| Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
| That's all: there is no need to have more information in this field.
| Now, let's focus on the printing (%%staves - s: ?) and playing
| (%%MIDI - m: ?) information fields...
| I guess somebody might argue that these fields
On Wed 03 Jan 2001 at 02:29PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Well, I'd like to point out that, except for typesetting issues, the
V: lines aren't needed at all.
Actually, they are pretty much essential for generating multiple track
MIDI files.
On the topic of voice numbers needing to be
Phil Taylor writes:
| ... So if your example above
| was in the key of D (as played) you could write:
|
|X:
|T:
|K:D %Marks the end of header and the default key.
|V:1
|K:C
| (music)
|V:2 %this voice is in the default key, so needs no K: of its own.
| (music)
"John" == John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John The main function of the V: lines is to tell the software to
John intersperse the staves for several voices, and to align the notes and
John bar lines. This is a purely typesetting operation. It adds no musical
John
| On Wed 03 Jan 2001 at 02:29PM +, John Chambers wrote:
| Well, I'd like to point out that, except for typesetting issues, the
| V: lines aren't needed at all.
James Allwright replied:
| Actually, they are pretty much essential for generating multiple track
| MIDI files.
How so? I'd
Bob wrote:
| At 12:10 PM 02-01-01 +0100, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
| $ Starting a new part (P:) or giving a subtitle (T:) silently imply
| $ switching to the first voice.
|
| Is the automatic switching to the first voice desirable / necessary? It
| seems to me it would be confusing, particularly
"John" == John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John James Allwright replied:
James | Actually, they are pretty much essential for generating
James multiple track | MIDI files.
John How so? I'd think it would be easier to write the parts as separate
John files, and
At 10:14 PM 1/2/2001 +, John Chambers wrote:
Maybe we should just quietly do away with the "header" vs "music"
distinction. There are "header lines" and "music lines", which can be
in any order that makes sense. ..
This is such a lively discussion that I felt I must really get my oar
Although what I said was valid, I want to retract my proposal to make ABC
be XML compatible.
One look at MusicXML (see http://www.recordare.com/stanford.html )
convinced me that using XML would sacrifice too much of the clarity and
usability of ABC.
for instance, this is one note in
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, John Henckel wrote:
Although what I said was valid, I want to retract my proposal to make ABC
be XML compatible.
One look at MusicXML (see http://www.recordare.com/stanford.html )
convinced me that using XML would sacrifice too much of the clarity and
usability of
"Richard" == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard ie, if xml gives access to worthwhile stuff, how about an abc2xml
Richard converter ?
But as far as *I* know, it doesn't. Does anyone know differently?
--
Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
| Although what I said was valid, I want to retract my proposal to make ABC
| be XML compatible.
Rats! You beat me to it.
| One look at MusicXML (see http://www.recordare.com/stanford.html )
| convinced me that using XML would sacrifice too much of the clarity and
| usability of ABC.
However,
Hello,
As nobody did it yet, here is a definition of the V: field to be included
in the ABC draft.
In the 'Information fields' section, there should be a new line:
Field nameheader tune elsewhere Used by Examples and notes
==== = ===
Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
That's all: there is no need to have more information in this field.
Now, let's focus on the printing (%%staves - s: ?) and playing
(%%MIDI - m: ?) information fields...
I guess somebody might argue that these fields shouldn't be part of abc,
since they
Steve Mansfield wrote:
Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
That's all: there is no need to have more information in this field.
Now, let's focus on the printing (%%staves - s: ?) and playing
(%%MIDI - m: ?) information fields...
I guess somebody might argue that these fields
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