Evening all
BBC Audio and Music (ne Radio and Music) are about to embark on the long
and winding road to a better online music offering
To this end we've been working with http://mayhem-chaos.net/blog/ of
http://musicbrainz.org/ to improve our music (meta)data
So the questions to you are:
1.
most likely be up for points 7 8 :-)
Cheers
Dave
PS First post n'all. And I should probably come out as a BBC employee
using non-work email 'all my own/not bbc thoughts' disclaimer applies,
etc.
On 1/24/07, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Evening all
BBC Audio and Music (ne Radio
James
Firstly a vague attempt to put your mind at rest about why the BBC is
now looking at putting third-party music information services out of
business.
If you mean we plan to make a service that competes with allmusic etc we
don't [honest]. We just want to be able to better represent music
On the subject of ISRC codes I've spoken to some of the production
people about this
Apparently they're supposed to uniquely identify the audio object
So if a track appears on a single and also appears on an album with
EXACTLY the same recording it should have the same isrc code
BUT
apparently
almost staying on topic and because this discussion hasn't kicked off
yet i thought i'd throw this in:
after scooting around http://www.virginradio.co.uk/ i was wondering
clearly u have lots of tracklistings
clearly we have a fair few
but if u flip between radio 3, radio 1, 1xtra, Later etc
] Music, (meta)data, musicbrainz and the BBC
On 1/26/07, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can i ask what ur artist id and track id are:
var gimpdata=Steve Miller Band~391~The Joker~E148~A~Russ
Williams~williams~the music we all love~Contact
Russ~False~http
snip
It shouldn't be forgotten that we (and the BBC) regularly don't play CDs
at all, using playout systems, minidiscs (eurgh), or other more esoteric
things from multiple studios.
/snip
and again the problems of live performance...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Name, (Song Title)
Artist,
Venue
Date
Album
Composer
Genre
Comments
Obviously there will be other BBC type info that is needed, but these
fields should be enough for a complete description, if I follow your
idea.
ATB
RichE
On 26 Jan 2007, at 13:21, Michael Smethurst wrote
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Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snipThey should never be the exact same audio object with
different [isrc] codes./snip I'm just not sure this happens in
practice. According to our production staff ISRC codes are not as
reliable as intended
Don't think i
Not really on topic but almost...
We're planning to release a dump of our historical Proms data (?1936?-2007)
here under the usual creative commons licence soon(ish). It's currently off
being re-keyed but as soon as that's done we'll make it available. Make of it
what you will...
Other data
might be nice to add hrecipe microformats in there tho
if the data inside is structured enough to allow it
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom Loosemore
Sent: Mon 6/4/2007 4:01 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Getting Recipe Data
Been
pure_gossip
mr willison was seen emerging from a bbc corner office with what looked like
sso people only t'other week...
/pure_gossip
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jason Cartwright
Sent: Tue 6/5/2007 9:39 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE:
Just a reminder that we'll be in the Yorkshire Grey with Robert Kaye from
Musicbrainz on Monday - 6:30 onwards
If you wanna talk radio, music, code or all points in between please come along
More BBC/Musicbrainz news soon...
hi nicholas
the feeds from this page should hopefully give you what you want:
http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2822/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Nicholas J Humfrey
Sent: Mon 6/18/2007 1:20 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Audio
Just a reminder that the top of the pops data is available under creative
commons and has an xml representation (that could probably do with some work)
and has musicbrainz ids and musicbrainz has been uploaded to freebase in it's
entirety
Unfortuntely it's under an attribution licence but like
programmes to musicbrainz which would be a
good thing
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Smethurst
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 8:20 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] Re: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase
(was RE: [backstage] Programme
interesting mapping of bbc peel data to music ontology by the mighty yves
raimond
well it pleases me anyway!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Yves Raimond
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 6:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bbc data released
Hello!
I just put
Last fm used to use musicbrainz to disambiguate artists
Then they stopped paying the data licence and turned off musicbrainz
Which means they just match on strings
According to brainz there are 3 oasis' in existence (last fm has one)
And something like 13 auroras (again last fm has one).
For programmes... Soon
And atom and, hopefully, rdf
Any more?
On 20/8/07 15:38, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hahahaha.
You do know that a very large proportion of pages from bbc.co.uk (rather than
news.bbc.co.uk) are published by hand, right?
J
On 20/8/07 15:30,
to the feed tomorrow. More
episode information would be good though.
Ian, I'll probably have a better idea once I know what's on offer and what I
can do with it.
Iain
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From: Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Sent: Monday, 20 August
If you're of the opinion that there's no music on earth that can't be
improved by the addition of honkey tonk piano you might be interested in the
release of data around Later... with Jools Holland. It's made up of brand,
series and episode data for the first 28 series with tracklists for every
Also I'm gonna try and get a dump of prog catalogue ids for totp and later
and match them to this data set so I can link to more than 12 resources
there!
Anyway I'm on holiday for a week past today so it won't be yet but I'll let
u know
Cheers,
Tom.
On 23/08/07, Michael Smethurst
Schweet
Thank you
On 23/8/07 16:45, robl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So dumb question...
Are dbpedia urls inferable from wikipedia urls?
A mail from the dbpedia list :
On 20 Jul 2007, at 17:54, Gustavo Frederico wrote:
Hi, is there a way to map Wikipedia URLs to DBpedia
just to say that the later+totp data is now interlinked (on html and rdf
levels) with dbpedia
another small node for linked open data ;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of robl
Sent: Thu 8/23/2007 4:45 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage]
http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2825/
- the whole thing's stitched together with MusicBrainz artist ids
Theoretically, it should be possible to stitch www.bbc.co.uk/music/ into
this, too.
we're currently working to make this so. the later + totp stuff is really just
a prototype of how we
Just to confirm that jonathan tweed has already done most of the work to
make json and yaml representations of /programmes
Once it's reviewed and checked in it'll go live. For the moment /programmmes
doesn't have on demand availability data to reference the iPlayer
downloads/streams but this will
of interest what is the thinking behind this URL structure? Could
we not have bbc.co.uk/programmes/topgear etc?
On 28/12/2007, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in the meantime you could try /programmes
top gear is at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj59
-
Sent via
faceted by the
availability of sign language
erm, does that answer your question?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Adam Leach
Sent: Fri 12/28/2007 7:02 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] iPlayer search problem
Michael Smethurst wrote
Afternoon
Inspired by:
http://www.idiomag.com/apml
I've made some apml files for bbc music radio based on the tracklist data:
http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2829/
Feeding this (or your own last.fm) ampl data to idiomag will give you a
personalised music magazine. So there's a Zane Lowe
Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP
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work: +44 (0)2080083965
mob: +44 (0)7711913293
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On Behalf Of Michael Smethurst
Sent: 15 January 2008 15:42
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage
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Senior Producer, BBC Backstage
BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Smethurst
Sent: 15 January 2008 15:42
The first draft of the Programmes Ontology is now online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ontologies/programmes
It's taken from a d2r mapping of the bbc.co.uk/programmes database which in
turn is based on PIPs (which in turn also powers iplayer)
For now it's just the ontology but we're planning to make
Just a list of what we're planning in /programmes world:
In-programme timing of generic objects or people
in the first instance just for music content - in the future possible
tagging of programme segments as interviews with people, profiles of,
recipes, news stories etc
TV schedules as a API
here's an example of some work in that direction by my colleague michael
smethurst:
http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2825/programmes/29xn (currently down, tho --
michael?)
is back now - apologies
with rdf here:
http://bbc-hackday.dyndns.org:2825/programmes/29xn.rdf
winmail.dat
try saying it's not technical when you're trying to get the /programmes news 24
urls right ;-)
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Sent: Tue 4/15/2008 2:37 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of
Hi all
We're in search of assistance.
I work for the BBC (radio and music) on a project called Automated Programme
Support. We're trialing the use of a microformats on the site but have concerns
about how accessible they are for users with screen readers.
The details are all here:
Also means that the archive will benefit from whatever machine friendly
feeds are put in place for /programmes (json, yaml, rdf etc)
Anyone for:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/lightprogramme/programmes/schedules/1946/04/14.json
???
On 16/6/08 10:49, Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I don't
accessibility concerns you had for the
microformats.
Thanks
Phil
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From: Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:15 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Removing microformats from bbc.co.uk/programmes
Hi Dominic / Andrew / All
We're starting to look at how the programmes domain intersects with users. So
things like:
users:user commentsOn programmes:episode
users:user rates programmes:episode
users:user tags programmes:episode
users:user fanOf programmes:tleo
etc etc etc
as we begin to
Whoops
We¹ve found the problem
Fixed on deploy tomorrow
Sorry
On 23/7/08 13:47, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damn. I knew it was too good to be true!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/schedules.xml and
Morning!
2008/7/24 Brian Butterworth
2008/7/24 Paul Clifford
I sent a reply yesterday, but I think it got stuck in a moderation
queue. Firstly, a quick heads-up: the episode tag is going away in
favour of the programme tag. The current feed has both, to ease the
transition, but episode
Morning!
And it seems to be a good one!
apart from all the ants it's a beaut
I think I found the DTD earlier today.
If you did you've got more than us ;-) btw we might have a TVanytime
representation of the schedule sometime soonish
I think I meant
for the moment the tracks are grabbed real time off vcs
but this data only gets pulled thru to the live database (and hence /music and
/programmes) every 10 minutes. there's also page caching to take into account.
so real time updates won't happen quite yet
the other issue is around our legal
the other issue is around our legal agreements with the music industry
around how much timing data we can give out for tracks playing
O RLY?
Would you be kind enough to expand on what the issues are? Unless you can't
give it out for legal reasons of course!
yup, u got me. not legal
://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/31/internet.internetipos
2008/8/1 Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the other issue is around our legal agreements with the music industry
around how much timing data we can give out for tracks playing
O RLY?
Would you be kind enough to expand on what
Looks to be there to me.
Just click on the show 2 more link and you'll see them
[Checked the rss and there's 3 episodes there too]
also available here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fyzyb
as i'm contractually obliged to say ;-)
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From:
-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Smethurst
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:04 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] IPlayer Radio 4 BAB Feed?
Looks to be there to me.
Just click on the show 2 more link and you'll see them
[Checked the rss and there's 3
...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Smethurst
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:26 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Cc: Rija Menage; David Cooper
Subject: RE: [backstage] IPlayer Radio 4 BAB Feed?
you're right - even tho tuesday's episode is available
It's kind of admirable that you're attempting to model the structure of TV
shows, but as is hinted at in Michael's comment below, we could easily end
up with a big gulf between the BBC's understanding vs the public's
understanding.
you're not wrong. we do do a fair bit of user testing around
On 8/1/09 12:09, Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Michael Smethurst wrote:
you're not wrong. we do do a fair bit of user testing around this stuff and
attempt to match what we model to audience mental models. it's not always
easy tho. we
true. but keywork search only gets you so far
say u really like The Fall and Mark E. Smith is reading the football results
(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUiPs1PxKo)
unless the programme description includes The Fall as well as MES if ur set up
to record programmes with descriptions including
Matt Barber wrote:
Still, better than one big T4 program? If they *have* to keep their T4 brand
visible, then I think it's better chopped up than one big show. What would
work quite well is if the unique episode number with series name was carried
in a separate field.
So you'd have displayed
Hi Andy
Sorry about that. It's a known bug and I *think* fixed in the next code deploy.
In the meantime there's the expires element and the format attribute so you can
always roll your message:
media format=video
expires2009-02-13T20:59:00Z/expires
availability5 days left to
and this old chestnut
http://www.creativecommons.org.au/node/126
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From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Robin Doran
Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 11:25 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'
Anyone remember this for earlier
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk
wrote:
I agree but there was no clear idea what we should do except maybe move the
whole thing to Mailman?
Because the list is public, I guess there is nothing stopping it being
archived in multiple places if you know
On 04/03/2010 10:40, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Why? What can you do on a mailing list that you can't do on a message
board?
Erm, mail it?
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From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Matt
People won't miss something they never knew they had in the first place
especially if they are able
to do all the things they can now, which it appears they will be
damn, someone invented the car and forgot to tell anyone. still we won't miss
what we never knew...
or miss seems an odd word
mo says:
the reason the big CE manufacturers can build TVs with iPlayer
implementations and yet none of us are allowed to do the same in
software alone is [..] largely about rightsholder agreements
(which is an impossible problem to solve,
because nobody outside of the parties to the
Hello Elias (and hello again backstage!)
Episode xml doesn't really give much in the way of availability windows
If you look in the episode xml you'll see a versions element like:
versions
version canonical=1
pidb01rryyq/pid
duration2700/duration
types
typeOriginal version/type
/types
/version
.
For most content it seems to work though. Is the programmes API not returning
the correct end dates for some content or am I missing something?
Kind regards
Elias
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Michael Smethurst
michael.smethu...@bbc.co.ukmailto:michael.smethu...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Hello Elias
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