--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I have never been too sure if it is dependant on
gender or dependant on
gender-based expectations during the child's
socialisation period.
However, certain studies of babies and very young
children do seem to
suggest that the biology also has a part
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
major snippage done throughout, but still an L3!
[D] I also don't think that progress is only
measured by technology and business --
[J] Was it allways that way?
I don't follow you here - I said
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:38 PM 9/19/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
... failing to account for one
set of calculations done in kilometers and one in
miles (or feet)
If you are thinking of the loss of the Mars Polar
Lander, I believe it was
actually confusion
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look around you, at the rate things ~were~ going, super sonic travel
should
be commonplace, a moon station should be old news, maned mars mission
should
be old news as well. Highly destributed concurent systems should be
commonplace.
There is
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathicaly focused
world
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look around you
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 05:18 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
Many of the L.A.S. courses were skewed just the opposite. Engineers
joked that if you wanted to meet a girlfriend, take certain L.A.S.
courses. (Actually, they weren't really joking...a friend of mine took
some Education classes
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I won't swear it was him. It might have been Dirac, and I'd appreciate
correction:
Back then, a second rate mind could have a first rate idea. Now, a
first
rate mind has a hard time coming up with a third rate idea.
Nice try Dan, but we
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was not
referencing anything we don't already know ~how~ to do, just stuff we
aren't
doing that we do know how to do, or worse, have done.
As far as distributed concurrent networks go, I know some
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was not
referencing anything we don't already know ~how~ to do, just stuff we
aren't
doing that we do know how to do, or worse, have done.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 06:53:44PM +0100, William T Goodall wrote:
I had to look up that TLA - we call 'Liberal Arts and Sciences' 'Arts
and Social Sciences' here - I assume you meant Liberal Arts and
Sciences
Yes, you got it
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
Jan Coffey responded to:
Huh? Nothing butt http over port 80? What are you talking about? I'm
using port 22 right this second, on a system owned by a friend who knows
what the heck he's doing with it.
with
Most companies have blocked all other ports, they will not buy software that
functions
I don't want this to be self serving as it may read. It's just I will
always wonder what happened to me. I know when I was young, I never learned
to tie my shoes until late, I'd guess at least seven or eight. In third
grade we had modules that we did individually but it was secret in a way.
At 02:14 AM 9/21/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote:
We are getting Object Oriented COBOL soon.
Isn't that sort of an oxymoron, like attaching a jet engine to a covered wagon?
-- Ronn! :)
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At 01:25 AM 9/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 02:14 AM 9/21/03 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote:
We are getting Object Oriented COBOL soon.
Isn't that sort of an oxymoron, like attaching a jet engine to a covered
wagon?
-- Ronn! :)
I cannot say. Here's what I've been told: we always have vendors
I'm reading all these anecdotes about bad teachers without identifying
very well. Through most of high school and all of college, I found the
teachers to be mostly irrelevant. I prefer learning from textbooks.
After all, you don't have much of a pool to choose your teacher from,
but generally only
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love the idea of OO but I just cannot grasp it fully, yet. Luckily we
don't need it, it's just part of the latest version.
GROAN
=
_
Jan William Coffey
Jan wrote-
What about an education system and workplace that are now more focused on
empathic and rote memorization ability than on problem solving ability?
While I am not the most up to date on teaching methods, the only large
scale
changes I can recall that have impacted the majority of
Jan asked-
Does it mean that women, unlike men forgo carriers to rais families?
Actually, some of the current literature says that women most usually
must make a choice between career and family. Societal pressures
usually favor the raise family option. Women who try and do
both usually have
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathically focused
world
Strange it always seems to me that these same people are setting
Jan wrote-
I am suggesting that education should be tailored to the individual to use
and highlight that individuals strengths. We do this anyway (FREX exempting
Dyslexics from forign language requirments). Each individual should be
allowed to find the nich in which they can best contribute to
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would you measure efficient? Worker productivity has reached
higher and higher levels since Women's Lib, wouldn't this seem to
support progress overall?
I have no way to counter most of what you have questioned. However, I do know
that the produtivity
Jan asked relating to the best person for the job-
The best person for plesant interaction, or the best person for achieving
technical results?
LOL, I wear cracked, taped together, hanging by a thread rose colored
glasses.
In my world I can have both. In reality, sometimes I get a bit of
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathicaly focused
world
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would you measure efficient
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathicaly focused
world
The average yearly growth in productivity per hour worked
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathically focused
world
Strange
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
bla bla bla
The best person for plesant interaction, or the best person for achieving
technical results?
Out of curiosity, in your world view, does everyone work all by themselves
and then everything falls into place at the end? How do you work
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathicaly focused
world
The average
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success...in an empathicaly focused
world
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original
some snippage done throughout
Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3110594.stm
Women have overtaken men at every level of
education in
Addendum: I left out the filtration and calibration
steps required in the 'high-tech' approach to
bacterial quantification, and I forget the name of the
machine used to measure light absorption and emission
at various wavelengths...bu' ith on th' tiph ah ma
tongue! :) It wasn't even necessary
At 11:38 PM 9/19/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
some snippage done throughout
I'm not tracking here, Jan; failing to account for one
set of calculations done in kilometers and one in
miles (or feet)
If you are thinking of the loss of the Mars Polar Lander, I believe it was
actually confusion
At 11:58 PM 9/19/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Addendum: I left out the filtration and calibration
steps required in the 'high-tech' approach to
bacterial quantification, and I forget the name of the
machine used to measure light absorption and emission
at various wavelengths...bu' ith on th'
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
some snippage done throughout
I also don't think that progress is only
measured by
technology and business -- particularly I don't
think
that most corporations have a shining vision of
the future- other than their own profits (of
At 03:37 AM 9/20/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
some snippage done throughout
I also don't think that progress is only
measured by
technology and business -- particularly I don't
think
that most corporations have a shining vision of
the
Jan Coffey wrote:
I never memorized anything by rote and I always did lousy in school but
has always been very good at taking standardized tests. Why? The
questions can be analyzed and wrong answers eliminated logically.
You have to have a lot memorized (even if it is not -as I
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
I never memorized anything by rote and I always did lousy in school but
has always been very good at taking standardized tests. Why? The
questions can be analyzed and wrong answers eliminated logically.
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But you have to memorize math too - you don't just figure things out
every time you do a problem do you?
Actualy yes, I do.
OK, 2-part question:
1) Did you take Differential Equations?
2) If so, derive the Heat
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
I never memorized anything by rote and I always did lousy in school but
has always been very good at taking standardized tests. Why? The
questions can be analyzed and wrong answers eliminated logically.
Julia Thompson wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But you have to memorize math too - you don't just figure things out
every time you do a problem do you?
Actualy yes, I do.
OK, 2-part question:
1) Did you take Differential Equations?
At 07:49 PM 9/20/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote:
---David
Who somehow did memorize the quadratic formula...
Can you derive it?
-- Ronn! :)
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can memorize equations more easily than that, and can apply them
properly. But I ran into a problem in high school, taking physics. The
physics teacher we had wasn't qualified to teach physics (in fact,
*nobody* in the science department was,
Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I can memorize equations more easily than that, and can apply them
properly. But I ran into a problem in high school, taking physics. The
physics teacher we had wasn't qualified to teach physics (in fact,
*nobody* in the science
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK; now that I've put out a couple of embers and have
replenished my chocolate level, I think I'll disagree
with several points below.
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our education system use to place a lot of importance on logic, problem
solving, and creativity. Give them the tools, test them on creativly
applying
those tools. This has now shifted to information retention, give
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any decent program, courses like history or English teach analytical
skills.
Not at the grammer, junior, or high school level.
Tests such as the SAT do not test rote memorization,
Which SAT's did you take? Go look in the study guids. It's all
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just checked sample SAT tests, and they didn't have just a choose the
definition section. Half of the sections were analyzing text;
Same spectum of ability.
the other
half were vocabulary related.
i.e. memorization.
The vocabulary related
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
There used to be (and probably still
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
I am suggesting that education should be tailored to the individual to
use
and highlight that individuals strengths. We do this anyway (FREX
exempting
Dyslexics from forign language requirments). Each individual should be
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
Sure, Girls are better (as a group) at -memorizing- which is
what is ment by
-studying-. Girls are also better at empathic style
associations, being able
to spot the whole even when they don't understand the component parts.
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our education system use to place a lot of importance on logic, problem
solving, and creativity. Give them the tools, test them on creativly
applying
those tools. This has now shifted to
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:39:03 -0500
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jan Coffey
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some degree plans, EE for one, had *no* foreign language
requirements, probably because there were so many required courses that
if you had to take, say, 13 hours (3 semesters) of a foreign language,
there was no *way*
Jon Gabriel wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:39:03 -0500
Jan Coffey wrote:
hmm. look in how the mind
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:32:21 -0500
Jon Gabriel wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs
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From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
You're good. :)
How about Norwegian?
You mean a Norwegian would?
Dan M
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some degree plans, EE for one, had *no* foreign language
requirements, probably because there were so many required courses that
if you had to take, say, 13 hours (3
In a message dated 9/18/2003 9:17:32 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
European or African?
You're good. :)
How about Norwegian?
What, the one with the beautiful blue plumage?
I thought that
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:40:24 -0500
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From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some degree plans, EE for one, had *no* foreign language
requirements, probably because there were so many required courses that
if you had to
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And some degree plans, EE for one, had *no* foreign language
requirements, probably because there
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure that Dan's was, but he totally nailed a couple of the
tests. Can't remember the name of the prof, but then again, I'm not the
one who aced
OK; now that I've put out a couple of embers and have
replenished my chocolate level, I think I'll disagree
with several points below.
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3110594.stm
Women have overtaken men
Jan Coffey wrote:
Yes Dan but that still doesn't change the fact that mechanicaly the words in
ones vocabulary are still -memorized-. Whether you sat down and rote
memorized them or memorized them over time, based on familiarity. It isn't a
system.
But languages _are_ systems.
I never
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:23 AM
Subject: Girls more confident of success
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3110594.stm
Women
Russell Chapman wrote:
I wonder if we will eventually see a matriarchal society in developed
countries - with a preponderance of female civic and
commercial leaders?
Would certainly change the dynamic between the developed
countries and
third world countries...
In which way do you
Jan Coffey wrote:
BS
what we are seeing is a focus by society on the things girls
are good at as
apposed to a focus by society at what the individual is good at.
Are you saying that the curriculum has changed over the years or that
girls are better at studying?
And if you are saying
I wrote:
Are you saying that the curriculum has changed over the years or that
girls are better at studying?
And if you are saying neither of the above, then could you please
explain what the remark meant in that particular context? :)
Never mind. I just saw another mail by you on this
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:23:26AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
But, what do we find in the US? For 30-34 year olds (fairly close), the
mean income for men is 39,989, while for women it is27,331. For 25-29
year olds the mean income for men is 33,405, while for women it is 24,760.
My source
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 06:23 am, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:23 AM
Subject: Girls more confident of success
And girls have good reason to be more confident
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 12:23:26AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
But, what do we find in the US
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 03:21:04PM +0100, William T Goodall wrote:
considered 'graduate level' jobs. Vocational degrees have better job
prospects, but outside of teaching and health (medicine, pharmacy)
men still probably outnumber women in most vocational classes
(engineering, science,
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
BS
what we are seeing is a focus by society on the things girls
are good at as
apposed to a focus by society at what the individual is good at.
Are you saying that the curriculum has changed over the years or that
girls are
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
I wonder about MBA programs. Are those 50/50? They tend to make big
bucks.
I wasn't able
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our education system use to place a lot of importance on logic, problem
solving, and creativity. Give them the tools, test them on creativly
applying
those tools. This has now shifted to information retention, give them the
data, test them on whether or not
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: Girls more confident of success
--- ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
BS
what we are seeing
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:36:17 -0500
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs
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From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Girls more confident of success
There used to be (and probably still is) a large portion
of the SAT devoted to choosing
Jan Coffey wrote:
I am suggesting that education should be tailored to the individual to use
and highlight that individuals strengths. We do this anyway (FREX exempting
Dyslexics from forign language requirments). Each individual should be
allowed to find the nich in which they can best
ritu wrote:
Would certainly change the dynamic between the developed
countries and
third world countries...
In which way do you see the dynamics changing?
About the only difference I can think of is the unease a few midlle-east
countries' representatives would feel if they had to deal with
Jan Coffey wrote:
Sure, Girls are better (as a group) at -memorizing- which is
what is ment by
-studying-. Girls are also better at empathic style
associations, being able
to spot the whole even when they don't understand the component parts.
Boys are better (as a group) at logic and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3110594.stm
Women have overtaken men at every level of education in developed
countries around the world.
And girls are now more confident of getting better-paid, professional
jobs than their flagging male counterparts.
International education figures,
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3110594.stm
Women have overtaken men at every level of education in developed
countries around the world.
And girls are now more confident of getting better-paid, professional
jobs than their flagging
William T Goodall wrote:
Women have overtaken men at every level of education in developed
countries around the world.
It is a big problem here - the school where I work used to be clearly #1
in the state, with daylight second, and it had been that way for about
135 years, but it is now #3 in
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
Women have overtaken men at every level of education in developed
countries around the world.
It is a big problem here - the school where I work used to be clearly #1
in the state, with daylight second, and it had
- Original Message -
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:23 AM
Subject: Girls more confident of success
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3110594.stm
Women have overtaken men at every level of education
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