[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #2

2000-01-30 Thread Ric Carter

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@ Malkovich! http://www.lfw.org/jminc/http://www.sonic.net/~ric/ric.htm
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# Hundreds of priests have died of AIDS. KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - AIDS has
  quietly caused the deaths of hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in the
  United States although other causes may be listed on some of their
  death certificates: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9300742

: Is it better to be HIV+ than never to have loved at all? Should priests
die quickly, slowly, anonymously? Do you falsify records for your religion?

# Formal split for Presbyterian Church - divorcing over gay clergy:
# Methodist Men glad Scout case is under review - no gay scoutmasters:
# Number of Lutherans rises to 63.1 million worldwide - breeding like mink:
# Jim Bakker back in the pulpit preaching forgiveness, taking collections:
  http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150009433,00.html
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# U.S. Admits Radiation Sickened Workers. NEW YORK (Reuters) In an about-
  face, U.S. officials now say nuclear weapons workers exposed to radiation
  and chemicals experienced higher-than-expected rates of cancers. Not our
  fault: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000129/14/science-health-radiation

@ The US Govt has very strict standards on just how much filth you may eat:
  http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dalbook.html#CHPTA and look around carefully.
  [ Via http://www.camworld.com/ and see http://www.obscurestore.com/ ]

: Is your govt sickening you for fun, experimentation, bribery? Is your govt
killing you quickly, slowly, secretly? Have you overthrown your govt lately?

# The cosmos has the big bang and evolution has Darwin. But climate
  has no big idea: the weather is just one damned thing after another:
  http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/highlights/millennium_briefing/
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# Degree program combines Bible  basketball - dribbling for Jesus:
  http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150009747,00.html
# Remains of saint revered in Utah - cute little reliquary:
  http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150008813,00.html

@ Empresses of the North. In Russia's north -- an area forbidden to
  Western visitors throughout the cold war because of its strategic
  military facilities -- an astonishing trove of Orthodox Church
  architecture survives precariously in the wake of depopulation and
  economic collapse: http://www.civmag.com/articles/C9912F02.html

: Does your belief system go to great lengths/expense to attract followers?
Do you cross-fertilize your Religious Game with aspects of Artistic/Athletic
Games? Do your Game Masters carefully design mind-control strategies? How??
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# Mars Polar Lander Found? http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9300245

# Shuttle Discovery Flew With Faulty Part. CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (Reuters)
  The space shuttle Discovery flew six times with a faulty part in its main
  engine, one that should have been sent to the scrap heap, NASA admitted:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/000129/20/science-space-shuttle
  http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000129/21/space-shuttle

: Can complex systems be built that don't contain faulty components? Do UFOs
have faulty components? Is that why they crash? Are all journeys dangerous?
Will you go anyway? Is DESIRE the most dangerous component of any endeavor?

@ "Men wanted for Hazardous Journey. Small wages, bitter cold, long months
  of complete darkness, constant danger, safe return doubtful. Honour and
  recognition in case of success." - Ernest Shackleton - Don't forget about
  certain death: http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/shackleton/
  And travel over to http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Travel/
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@ Hecatohedra http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/junkyard/hecatohedron.html
  anyone? Dehn www.math.columbia.edu/~zare/dehninvstuff.html invariants?
  Polygons www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/junkyard/diagonal-projection.html as
  projections of polytopes, dear friend? The Geometry Junkyard can help you
  http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/junkyard/polytope.html decipher the
  mysteries of polyhedra and polytopes. Maybe. Maybe not.
  And see http://www.memepool.com/Subject/Reference/

: What's y'r favorite geometric mystery? Have you shifted dimensions lately?
Do demons/deities/aliens hide in the corners? What's your favorite polytope?

# Artroversy: http://www.toledoblade.com/editorial/feat/0a23cult.htm
# Stuck In Your Head: http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es287_master.html
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# Going Online for Virtual Mobility. (Wired) The Net opens a world of
  

[CTRL] RHIC-EDOM - electronically controlled robots

2000-01-30 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.nwnet.co.uk/n-23/grey.htm

THE MEN IN GREY
Are "alien abductions" a cover story for brutal experiments carried out by
US intelligence agencies in the quest for total domination of the human
mind? American UFO researcher Martin Cannon suggests this may be the case in
his essay ' The Controllers : A New Hypothesis of Alien Abduction ' :

I posit that the abductees HAVE been abducted.
Yet they are also spewing fantasy - or more
precisely, they have been given a set of lies to
repeat and believe.

A variety of US intelligence agencies have been carrying out mind control
research since the Second World War, including the infamous CIA Project
MKULTRA ( 1953 - 62 ) which explored the possibilities of hypnosis,
conditioning, sensory deprivation, drugs, religious cults, microwaves,
psychosurgery, brain implants, ESP, and " psychoelectronics ".

CIA scientists ( many of them "ex"- Nazi death camp doctors courtesy of
Operation PAPERCLIP ) found that their experiments on unwitting human
subjects presented the problem of "disposal" - pushing them out of windows
or locking them away in mental institutions could lead to awkward questions.
A solution could be found in the erasure of the victims' memory with the
added bonus of being useful in a clandestine context, as Victor Marchetti
 "ex"- CIA ) explains :

Amnesia was a big goal...the agent doesn't
even know what he's done...you send him
in, he does the job. When he comes out,
you clean him out.

The problem with hypnotically induced amnesia is "leakage" - dreams or
flashbacks of the repressed material. The installation of a "screen memory"
would ensure that any recollection would be of a false memory. Dr Orne ( CIA
scientist and board member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation ) writes
" this phenomenon is easier to produce than total amnesia, perhaps because
it eliminates the subjective feeling of an empty space in memory." Extra
layers of confusion can be added by hypnotically creating multiple
personalities, providing an array of "cover stories" . Abductees who
recollect being experimented on by the "greys" may be experiencing "screen"
memories of CIA surgical and psychological testing.

Abductees often report having been operated on, having needles inserted in
their brains or objects inserted up their nose. Intracerebral implants are
alleged to have been found in X-Rays and MRI scans of abductees. These
objects could be of terrestrial origin - a device called the "stimociever"
was invented in the 50's by Jose Delgado, author of ' Physical Control of
the Mind : Toward a Psychocivilized Society ' and CIA funded researcher into
electronic stimulation of the brain (ESB). The stimociever is a miniature
electrode placed within the brain which can receive and transmit electronic
signals over FM radio waves. Delgado claimed that "motion, emotion and
behaviour can be directed by physical forces and that humans can be
controlled like robots by push buttons." His research showed that ESB via
the stimociever could create a variety of effects including "coloured
visions" and "floating" sensations - familiar features of abduction
accounts.

The "greys" don't have a monopoly on implant stories - "wavies", the victims
of non-ionising radiation (microwave) research are recounting tales of
having been implanted. Swede Robert Naeslund claims to have been implanted
in t

he 60's by the Swedish Secret Police (SAPO) in conjunction with the CIA. He
has X-Ray "evidence" and has had the device removed by a sympathetic doctor.
He first realised that something had happened to him when he suffered an
inexplicable nosebleed - a regular occurrence in alien abductions. A 1977
scientific paper - "Quantization of Microwave Biological Effects" -
describes the use of nasally implanted electrodes in animals to measure the
effects of electromagnetic radiation (EMR).

A Finnish "wavie", Martti Koski, claims to have been experimented on whilst
visiting Canada. During the course of one session he was told that the
doctors tampering with him were "aliens from Sirius". Another time he was
told that he was under the direction of "the Lord". ' Abductions' by Jenny
Randles details a 1965 incident where one of the 'examiners' remarks "They
will think it's flying saucers".

In 1967,Lincoln Lawrence ( a pseudonym ) wrote a JFK assassination book, '
Were We Controlled ' , which asserted Oswald was a hypnoprogrammed assassin
with a malfunctioning implant in his brain ( in this case the conspiracy was
the work of multinationals ). Lawrence was the first to reveal the mythical
method of RHIC-EDOM (Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Control / Electronic
Dissolution Of Memory ) which apparently can turn men into electronically
controlled robots programmed to kill on cue. RHIC consists of conditioning
the victim to enter a deep trance at the sound of a specific tone
transmitted to a brain implant :

Under RHIC, a 'sleeper' can be used years 

[CTRL] REMOTE VIEWlNG: THE STORY OF THE REAL X FILES 1/2

2000-01-30 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Mentions RHIC-EDOM as well.
http://www.fastnet.co.uk/pms/real_x.htm


REMOTE VIEWlNG: THE STORY OF THE REAL X FILES

The history of remote viewing (RV) goes back to the 1950s. RV was developed
during the cold war to enable security organisations the ability to gain
information about top secret enemy sites, in which they had no assets. The
Russians have always been more advanced than their American counterparts in
the study of biological remote mind control technology (RMCT). This did not
go unnoticed by the CIA and the US military. Project Scan gate was
implemented to begin research by the US military into RV. There followed
many different projects, including: Grill Flame, Center Lane, Sunstreak and
Stargate.

[1] As a scientist I became fascinated by the implications of RV, for if it
really worked, it totally upset the paradigm upon which our scientific model
of reality was based. The work of Dr. Jessica Utts, who being a Professor of
statistics at Stanford, has scientifically proved that RV phenomena exist,
was significant in this respect.

[2] For it showed that science as we know it, is crucially flawed.

[3] It is as if, we have developed atomic energy, yet have less knowledge
than our caveman ancestors of the essential nature of reality. The sceptics
rebutted the Utts paper and have denied any paranormal phenomena could
possibly exist.

[4] This might be more comfortable to the scientific community, but RMCT is
being used more and more by the military. To mask this, the US military's
position on RV was stated by CIA spokesperson, David Christian, who accepted
that no further official US research into RV was warranted. 'We think the
intelligence community shouldn't pursue research on this and that it is best
left to the private sector'. Is there a campaign of disinformation to mask
their continued and accelerated study of the subject? Could programmes such
as. 'The Real X Files,' (shown on Channel 4 UK) created by Jim Schnabel, an
alleged CIA operative, be designed to act as red herrings, to mask the US
security organisations true intent? If so, wouldn't the 'public' interest in
this area, mean that the privately run US RV organisations (all run by
'retired' US security officers) they could turn to for training, would have
a large number of applicants, This would be useful if the US intelligence
community was trawling for undiscovered Psi-able people to recruit for a
burgeoning RMCT military programme.

[5] This led me to ask, could there be a scientific basis to RV and RMCT. As
a proponent of RV, I know that it works. Joe McMoneagle, a retired army
intelligence, officer, who claims to have left Stargate in 1984 with a
Legion of Merit Award, for providing information on 150 targets that were
unavailable from other sources, used RV to go into the mind of Shaw Taylor,
to see through his eyes; an experiment carried out on the Paranormal World
of Paul McKenna (ITV TV). This method of using RV to enter the brains of
other people, is called remote sensing (RS). RMCT can be thought of as the
basis for ESP and telepathy. I have had many people asking me whether there
was any available information on the scientific basis of RV. Having looked
through the Internet at the available web sites purporting to be leaders in
RV technology, I came to the conclusion that either the knowledge base of
Western experts was feeble, or most of the real information was classified.
Most of the leading research done in the US on brain function with respect
to RMCT (electronic) is classified. The excellent articles in Nexus
(including Vol3 No3) have covered electronic RMCT in more depth than is
available elsewhere. To my knowledge, there has been little scientific
discussion of biophysical RMCT. The following is a brief introduction. The
Scientific Basis of RV If RV is to work, something must leave the body, so
remote locations can be looked at. RV uses biophysical field effects to
manifest perception outside the body. The Russians have been the world
experts in biophysics since the fifties. Research in this area has
concentrated on military uses of biophysical field effects, telekinesis and
the search for Psi genes that promote and mediate RV and the biophysical
fields involved in telekinesis. This has led to the Russians study of the
biological basis of RV. It is well known that the physical body is
surrounded by a mantle of electromagnetic energy. Our eyes pick up this
photonic emission, though 90% of this information is filtered out in the
thalamus, the remainder being fitted into a visual mental model which we see
as reality. Once one can unfilter visual perception, auras around people can
be seen. Microwave stimulation of the brain with ELF audiograms can effect
brain function for RMCT.

[6] This methodology being the basis of US RMCT, but the EM field around the
body can also be effected by other types of EM irradiation, electric fields
and magnetic fields. 

[CTRL] REMOTE VIEWlNG: THE STORY OF THE REAL X FILES 2/2

2000-01-30 Thread Nicky Molloy

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http://www.fastnet.co.uk/pms/real_x.htm

9]. Could RV be a biophysical field effect moving in this parallel reality.
If so, our knowledge of the nature of reality may be so limited that we are
completely blind to this second reality, which is contiguous with our own
and only makes itself known to us in the quantum realm. This parallel
reality is seen in lucid dreaming and OBEs and is glimpsed in daydreaming
states. Australian aborigines have a whole body of knowledge about this
dreamtime reality. Remote viewers are learning abilities that our ancestors
had direct knowledge of millennia ago. My research has led me to believe
that this dreamtime reality is not electromagnetic in nature, but is
composed of a new set of field effects. These field effects are the basis of
biophysical, biotronic and bioplasmic phenomena. The electronic RMCT of the
US government mind control devices and related weapon systems mimics these
higher order field effects. RV, the ability to see things far from one's
physical body, would have been of great use to our hunter gatherer
ancestors. Hunters who could find game, would by natural selection, have
been more likely to breed. This would mean that any Psi genes would have
been selected. Throughout our hunter gatherer past, Psi genes would have
increased, as those carrying those genes would be more likely to survive.

[10] With the onset of agriculture, the selective pressure would have ceased
to be so important, This would mean that highly developed cultures, such as
our own, would have lost the Psi genes, whilst hunter gatherers such as the
aborigines of Australia or the Kalahari bushman, would still have RV
capabilities at large in the population. The widespread burning and
persecution of witches in Europe would have unselected Psi genes, making
them much rarer. Only cultures which have not persecuted paranormal ability
would have kept a high level of Psi genes. The North American Indians
venerated paranormal abilities, so they would have been a repository of
these genes, had not Europeans slaughtered them. The former Soviet Union has
been researching Psi genes for decades. KGB operatives were told to pick up
people displaying paranormal abilities for use in their vast
parapsychological research projects

[11] In the 1960s, the Americans only tacitly began to research the subject:
'because the communists were doing it'. Their research was based on new age
phenomena and methodology. This meant the Americans never achieved any great
breakthroughs in biophysical field phenomena, hampered as they were by new
age thinking, at the expense of the scientific methodology. In 1995, the US
security establishment decided to take a new interest in biophysical RMCT.
This meant that the CIA had to release disinformation that purported to
state that the Americans had given up this research -even though it worked.
The Psi genes in the genome of the people taking RV courses will affect the
ability of people to remotely view. From our research it does seem that some
people can display significant RV capabilities. This would seem to indicate
that man had a long history as a hunter gatherer and the period since
agriculture took hold, has not unselected all the Psi genes from the
population. It does seem that western women have had a number of the Psi
genes removed from their genomes, by the selective pressure of burning any
women in the middle ages that showed paranormal ability. My research seems
to indicate the European men would score significantly better at RMCT than
women. Other cultures that have not persecuted their females may have RMCT
performance enhanced in the women of their populations, as their appears to
be significant sex related Psi-amplification in females. The World Wars in
Europe would have acted on any males in combat as a considerable selective
pressure to choose for those individuals carrying Psi genes, as probally,
they would be more likely to survive. This would have meant the progeny of
Europeans who fought in the wars would have more Psi genes in the population
than they would normally have had, had it been peacetime. The magazine
Fortune has stated that the 'top 500' CE0s, have greater than normal
Psi-intuition and gut-feeling symptomatic precognitive reactions. My
research seems to indicate that there are secondary and primary Psi genes.
The secondary Psi genes are those that facilitate biophysical integration
with the organism and which code for richer and higher function neural
networks to interface with the biophysical energy, Primary Psi genes are
those that give enhanced RMCT capability by the specific nature of the
proteins they code for, which act as biophysical batteries and other more
obscure phenomena which are involved with biophysical processing, storage
and utilisation. It appears that some peoples' bodies act as natural
Psychotronic Generators, storing Psi energy.

[12] The high basal stress 

[CTRL] Electro-Hypnotically Induced Personalities - Branton

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APFN= COYLE, M. APFN FAX-BOXX 702-226-9111 10/31/95 23:37:21

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Dear Kenneth,
 Up until now I have been somewhat reticent in my desire to
send  you the information that is enclosed with this letter,
information which concerns the New World Order - Gray Alien
connection.  However, since your acceptance of the Val Valerian
MATRIX II information, and the revelations that Phil Schneider
has made (my information goes far "deeper" than Phil's in regards
to the joint Bavarian-Gray base below Dulce, etc.), I've decided
that the time is now right to pass the information along to you,
with the hopes that you will spread the information that you deem
useful throughout the faxnet.
 The document that I am sending is a synopsis of the combined
research and experiences of myself and many others who have been
involved in all of this, yet who also have a determined desire to
defend "truth, justice and the American way"...
 I am what you might refer to as a "sleeper" agent of
military intelligence. I actually possess two alternate
"personalities" --  a normal "waking" personality which is the
one writing to you now, and an alternate
hypno-electronically-induced alternate "personality" that has
been programmed as an agent of Black Projects and has security
access to "the underground".
 Once one has passed the security levels necessary to gain
access to the subnet where the tube-trains and Alternative 002
underground cities are located, they are usually not questioned
since the rest (both humans and aliens) assume that he or she is
"supposed" to be there. This does not mean that everything is
always nice and peaceful down there, as there is now an
escalating "civil war" taking place in the "underground empire"
as a result of a growing rift between the underground "elite" and
the lower classes who are developing and growing resistance to
the way things are being done down there -- and it is this
resistance which I am serving in this as well as my "alternate"
life. Apparently these secret government fascists in the
underground basenets have such a god complex that they cannot
help but try and enforce their tyranny -- even on their own kind.
 The revelations in the enclosed document is no joke! You may
 at first perceive the information as being similar to a complex
plot for a science fiction-drama-adventure novel, but I assure
you that it is true to the best of my knowledge.
 I am also sending you the core files of my WINDOWS-PC
database which you can pursue (in addition to the Val Valerian
and Phil Schneider information that you already possess). The
database has more than enough documentary information to convince
all but the most naive skeptic that there must be something to
the scenario as related in the enclosed "Cosmic Conflict"
document.
 I am unable to give you my return address at this time, nor
my  true name, as I am walking on thin ice as it is. True, I wish
to help preserve this great nation as our founders established it
through the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Declaration
of Independence, etc., but I also wish to LIVE to see the final
victory  as well.

 Yours in the Resistance...

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[CTRL] REMOTE MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY Anna Keeler 1/2

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REMOTE MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY

Anna Keeler

There had been an ongoing controversy over health effects of
electromagnetic fields (EMF) for years (e.g., extremely low
frequency radiation and the Navy's Project Seafarer; emissions of
high power lines and video display terminals; radar and other
military and industrial sources of radio frequencies and
microwaves, such as plastic sealers and molders). Less is known
of Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) interest in anti-personnel applications of the invisible
energies. The ability of certain parameters of EMF; to cause
health effects, including neurological and behavioral
disturbances, has been part of the military and CIA arsenal for
years.

Capabilities of the energies to cause predictable and exploitable
effects or damages can be gleaned from discussion of health
effects from environmental exposures. Interestingly, some
scientists funded by the DOD or CIA to research and develop
invisible electromagnetic weapons have voiced strong concern
(perhaps even superior knowledge or compensatory to guilt) over
potentially serious consequences of environmental exposures.

Eldon Byrd who worked for Naval Surface Weapons, Office of
Non-Lethal Weapons, was commissioned in 1981 to develop
electromagnetic devices for purposes including "riot control,"
clandestine operations and hostage removal. In the context of a
controversy over reproductive hazards to Video Display Terminal
(VDT) operators, he wrote of alterations in brain function of
animals exposed to low intensity fields. Offspring of exposed
animals "exhibited a drastic degradation of intelligence later in
life ... couldn't learn easy tasks ... indicating a very definite
and irreversible damage to the central nervous system of the
fetus." With VDT operators exposed to weak fields, there have
been clusters of miscarriages and birth defects (With evidence of
central nervous system damage to the fetus).

Byrd also wrote of experiments where behavior of animals was
controlled by exposure to weak electromagnetic fields. "At a
certain frequency and power intensity, they could make the animal
purr, lay down and roll over."

Jose Delgado, advocate of a psychocivilized society through
mind control, no longer implants electrodes in the brains of
mental patients and prisoners; he now induces profound behavioral
changes (hyperactivity, passivity, etc.) by exposing animals to
precisely tuned EMFs. He has also written of genetic damage
produced by weak EMF fields, similar to (those  emitted by VDTs.)
Invariably, brain tissue damage and skeletal deformation was
observed in new born chicks that had been exposed. He was
concerned enough to check emissions from the appliances in his
kitchen.

Ross Adey induces calcium efflux in brain tissue with low power
level fields (a basis for the CIA and military's "confusion
weaponry") and has done behavioral experiments with radar
modulated at electroencephalogram (EEG) rhythms. He is
understandably concerned about environmental exposures within
1 to 30 Hz (cycles per second), either as a low frequency or an
amplitude modulation on a microwave or radio frequency, as these
can physiologically interact with the brain even at very low
power densities.

Microwaves

Microwave health effects is a juncture where Department of
Defense and environmental concerns collide and part ways.
Security, according to Sam Koslov of Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency (DARPA), first prompt of low intensity (for
non-thermal) microwaves. At times, up 70-80% of the research
was funded by the military. From 1965 to 1970, a study
dubbed Project Pandora was undertaken to determine the health
and psychological effects of low intensity microwaves, the
so-called "Moscow signal" registered at the American Embassy in
Moscow. Initially, there was confusion over whether the signal
was an attempt to activate bugging devices or for some other
purpose. There was 

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Assistant Editor: Rick Lawler

Research: Darrell Bross


[Continued from part 1]

Does it follow that an EEC modulated carrier frequency can he
used to enhance human avoidance learning? You bet, provided
the same careful procedures are followed with humans as were
with animals, the same result would accrue. Recall again the
goals of Pandora to discover whether a carefully constructed
electromagnetic signal could direct the mind.

The obvious question becomes how many and with how much accuracy
can behavioral states or "frames of mind" be intentionally
imposed, that is, apart from the certain technological capability
to promote disorganization and degradation of perception and
performance through use of the fields. In fact many components of
warning or conditioning including affect (i.e. feeling or
emotional states) can be imposed through use of the fields from a
distance e.g. behavioral arousal orienting reflex, subliminal
stress (alarm reaction without realization of the contextual
significance) so-called levels of consciousness, inhibition of
Cerebral function which would render one more susceptible to
suggestion or influence and so on. All components necessary to
produce behavioral conditioning, including ways to provide
contextual significance can be applied from a distance (i.e.
without direct brain contact, as was necessary in older behavior
modification experiments.).

Another indication that the government entertained notions of
behavior control through use of fields and sound is a 1974
research proposal by J.F. Schapitz. To test his theory his plan
was to record EEG correlates induced by various drugs and then
to modulate these biological frequency on a microwave carrier.
"Could the same behavioral states be produced by imposing these
brain wave frequencies on human subjects?" His plan went
further and included inducing hypnotic states and using words
modulated on a microwave carrier frequency to attempt to
covertly condition subjects to perform various acts." The plan
as released (through the Freedom Of Information Act) seems less
part of a careful recipe for influence than Adey's and other
DOD scientists' work, and may have been released to mislead by
lending an "information beam" science fiction-like quality to
the work.

The end of Project Pandora may have signified the end of research
into the cause of effects of the varying frequencies registered
at the American embassy in Moscow, some known to be due to CIA
and National Security Agency equipment but interest in microwave
and biological frequency weapons did not wane. Indeed there are
indications of applications. As we have seen research that began
in response to a security concern, transformed almost overnight
into a search for weapons applications, while cloaked in
disinformation about the Soviets. What types of weapons?

There Are Three Possibilities:

(1) That microwaves, perhaps modulated with low biological
frequencies are used from a distance to cause performance
decrements and disorganization by interfering with
neuro-electric function; or by causing Central nervous system
effects subjective feelings of ill health or health syndrome
associated with periodic exposures at intensities below 10,000
microwatts/cm2.

(2) That microwaves are used to create organ specific effects,
e.g., tissues with less blood circulation like the gall bladder
lens of the eye, etc., can compensate less to increased heating;
heart disfunctions can be caused; lesions or necrosis of
internal tissues can be induced without a subject necessarily
feeling heat and symptoms might manifest later at certain
frequencies. Slight heating or hot spots can be created at the
center of the head; there is an ongoing Navy contract to find
parameters to disrupt human metabolic functions; or

(3) That they are used in an interdisciplinary approach to
remote conditioning by creating information processing effects,
as Dr. Adey's work shows, or to induce "feeling" or "emotional"
elements of cognition such as 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #3

2000-01-30 Thread Ric Carter

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ KILL! http://johnvanderslice.com/mp3sjv/jv_01_bill_gates_must_die.mp3
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Cult Accused in Attack Offers Money. TOKYO, Japan (AP) - As part of its
  campaign to clean up its image, the doomsday cult accused in the 1995
  nerve-gas attack on Tokyo subways offered to pay a total of $1.14 million
  a year as compensation to the victims. Aum Shinri Kyo's new guru said
  several tens of thousands of dollars will be paid to the victims immedi-
  ately. http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000129/22/int-japan-doomsday-cult
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_623000/623801.stm

# Stop the Congo massacres. (BBC) Another Rwanda-style crisis is looming in
  the northeast of DR Congo, an aid agency warns after releasing shocking
  video footage of ethnic clashes. African leaders demand UN deployment.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_623000/623737.stm
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_616000/616516.stm

: What's your favorite massacre? Was is triggered by religion, ethnicity,
politics, economics, esthetics, athletics? Were reparations exacted? Have
you massacred anyone lately? Why? Was it fun, necessary, holy, engrossing?

# Neo-Nazis rally in Berlin. Hundreds of neo-Nazis march against Germany's
  planned memorial to Holocaust victims, sparking counter-protests.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_623000/623805.stm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Supremes Reject Appeal by Psychics. WASHINGTON (AP) The US Supreme Court
  refused to revive a lawsuit in which 16 ex-employees of a Calif. psychic
  hotline accused ABC-TV of unlawfully using a hidden camera to videotape
  them at work. http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000118/11/scotus-abc
$ Free Psychics: http://www.800predict.com/cfmfiles/new/readings/main.cfm
# Starring in MATRIX II: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000128-14.html

# Glasshouse girl - Public shower, toilet sparks uproar in Chile. (BBC)
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_623000/623340.stm

: How much privacy is too little, too much, enough? Is your whole life perf-
ormance art? Do you assume that you're always being watched? R U paranoid?
If you're really psychic, can you tell if you're under surveillance? When?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# DoubleClick sued for cookie abuse. Californian seeks prior consent ruling
  after personal data collected: www.theregister.co.uk/000128-13.html
# Privacy Suit Against DoubleClick. The big Net advertising company is
  accused of tracking and obtaining personal information on Web users with-
  out their consent. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,33964,00.html
@ Opt out of DoubleClick, double quick: http://www.doubleclick.net/optout/

: If you don't click banner ads, can DC track you? If you resist ads, will
you have more money, more privacy, more security? Who controls your mind??

# Malaria hope. A drug combination could halt the spread. (BBC)
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_621000/621290.stm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# GOLDEN MIRACLES: "God is so much bigger than religion has portrayed him"
  http://www.latimes.com/news/front/2125/t07947.html vs CHRISTER
  TROLL 97 (trolling for Jesus) http://www.thoughtshop.com/fundiemania.htm
  and see http://www.ntk.net/ or repent.

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@ Israel/Judaism: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook06.html
@ Xian Origins: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook11.html
@ Roman Mystery Religions: Demeter  Eleusis; Cybele; Isis; Mithras;
  End of Paganism: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook10.html
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# Protests mar Davos summit. (BBC) Security is ramped up in the Swiss resort
  Davos after anti-free trade protesters try to disrupt the World Economic
  Forum: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_623000/623585.stm
# Davos: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_621000/621013.stm
@ World Economic Forum: http://www.weforum.org/

: Can/should/will the NWO/WTO/WEF 

[CTRL] Artillery shells pound Coryell County ranch

2000-01-30 Thread Richard Sampson

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Artillery shells pound Coryell County ranch

 By RICHARD L. SMITH Tribune-Herald staff writer

 Army officials on Friday were still trying to find out why
 several artillery shells rained down on a Coryell
 County ranch causing damage.

 Joan Shoaf, a resident of the tiny community of King,
 was jolted from her bath tub Wednesday about 8:30
 p.m. when the shells, believed to be fired from Fort
 Hood, came crashing into her yard. King is about 9
 miles southwest of Gatesville.

 "I heard this terrible noise and I was on the side that it
 hit," said Shoaf. "I jumped out of the bath tub. I asked
 my husband what the noise was. He said he saw
 shrapnel everywhere."

 Shoaf and her husband, Robert, said four rounds of
 what they were told were 155 millimeter howitzer
 shells exploded near the four houses on their ranch. A
 155 millimeter howitzer is a cannon with a barrel
 diameter of 155 millimeters. Robert Shoaf said Army
 officials told him the shells were fired from 71/2 miles
 away. That means the shells would have flown over
 Farm-to-Market Road 116, a route from Gatesville to
 Copperas Cove.

 Robert Shoaf said he called 9-1-1 after the shelling
 and that Coryell County had notified Fort Hood of the
 incident. The 70-year-old said this was the first time
 anything of the sort has happened.

 The Shoafs said the shells, some landing as close as
 100 yards from their home, caused extensive damage
 to their ranch.

 "It did extensive roof damage to our house and
 cracked the foundation," Joan Shoaf said. "Of the four
 houses, there was damage to the roof of three and
 cracked sheet rock in one house."

 A chandelier in her living room flew off and broke into
 pieces, she said. Four small craters were left on the
 property by the shells and several trees were
 damaged by shrapnel.

 Fort Hood officials weren't releasing details about the
 incident Friday, saying an investigation is under way.

 "Once we learned of this, we immediately initiated an
 investigation into the artillery training that evening,"
 said Lt. Col. Mary Ann Cummings, a Fort Hood
 spokeswoman. "We sent Explosive Ordinance
 Detection teams to the site to work with local
 authorities and review any physical evidence."

 Cummings said evidence was found that "leads to
 further investigation." She said artillery firing on the
 huge Army post has been suspended until the
 investigation is complete.

 Both of the Shoafs said the shelling was a scary
 situation for the couple.

 "I got to realizing how close to death we had come,"
 Joan Shoaf said. "It could have blown up our house."

 Robert Shoaf said he called 9-1-1 after the shelling.
 Coryell Counties then notified Fort Hood of the
 incident. The 70-year-old said this was the first time
 anything of the sort has happened.

 Trees apparently deflected some of the impact of the
 shells.

 "We would have felt the whole blast if the trees
 weren't there," he said.

 Army officials, some of whom flew in on a Blackhawk
 helicopter, continued to conduct an investigation
 Friday at the Shoaf ranch. Robert Shoaf said an Army
 colonel flew in to apologize on behalf of "the general."

 "But," he added, "That's not quite going to cut it."

 Robert Shoaf said that years ago, residents of his
 area were approached by the Army about buying their
 land. A group of people banded together to fight the
 Army's efforts and won.

 "Now they're trying to take it by force," he joked.

 Richard Smith can be reached at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at 757-5745.

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[CTRL] WHITE HOUSE PLANS COMPUTER SURVEILLANCE January 21, 2000

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 WHITE HOUSE PLANS COMPUTER SURVEILLANCE January 21, 2000

 Wired News reported: "Visions of stealthy black helicopters landing on your
lawn and disgorging Nomex-clad troops to steal your PGP[Pretty Good Privacy]
keys aren't just for conspiracy theorists. The Clinton administration wants
to be able to send federal agents armed with search warrants into homes to
copy encryption keys and implant secret back doors onto computers...The idea
first surfaced in mid-1999, when the Justice Department proposed legislation
that allowed them to obtain surreptitious warrants and 'postpone' notifying
the person whose property they entered for 30 days. The Justice Department's
thinking was that if a suspect was using data-scrambling encryption products,
the FBI's G-men might need to enter the suspect's home and install software
to tap into and decipher scrambled communications. After vocal objections
from civil liberties groups, the administration backed away from the
controversial plan. The final draft of the Cyberspace Electronic Security Act
(CESA) submitted to Congress had removed the secret-search portions. But the
White House now appears to think it doesn't need new legislation to enter a
suspect's computer. The letter from Reno and Hamre to House Majority Leader
Dick Armey says that, in the future, the Feds will use 'general authorities'
when asking judges to authorize so-called black bag jobs. Commerce Secretary
William Daley also signed the letter. They say that law enforcement should
have the ability to 'search for keys' without immediately notifying a
suspect..."



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[CTRL] PRESIDENT CLINTON TO ATTEND ANNUAL DAVOS GLOBAL BUSINESS SUMMIT

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PRESIDENT CLINTON TO ATTEND ANNUAL DAVOS GLOBAL BUSINESS SUMMIT January 24,
2000

 The Washington Post reported: “When President Clinton sweeps into a snowy
Swiss Alpine village this week, he will be the first sitting president, and
thus the biggest star ever, to attend the glittering corporate conference
known by the name of its location – Davos. The meeting is so high powered
that Clinton is only one of 33 national leaders going up the mountain this
year. Also expected for the meetings starting Thursday are prime ministers
Ehud Barak of Israel and Tony Blair of Britain, and King Abdullah of Jordan.
Attending as well will be 1,020 senior executives from the world's top
corporations, including Bill Gates of Microsoft and Steve Case of America
Online. No one will stand prouder at the six-day conference than Klaus
Schwab, the entrepreneurial Swiss business professor who launched the Davos
conference on a shoestring 30 years ago. He has turned its plenary sessions
and panel discussions into forums for cutting-edge ideas and made the
gathering arguably the world's most elite event for schmoozing and making
contacts. As this year's promotional material puts it: ‘By bringing together
the most influential business, political and intellectual leaders, the Summit
sets the tone, atmosphere and priorities for the start of the century.’..."



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[CTRL] Week Ending: 29 January 2000 / 22 Shevat 5760 Part 1

2000-01-30 Thread Bill Richer

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Tzemach News Service
Week Ending: 29 January 2000 / 22 Shevat 5760

"I will also plant them on their land, and they will not again be rooted out
from their land which I have given them, says the L-rd your G-d" (Amos
9.15)

NEW TENDERS NO LONGER ISSUED: The leaders of Yesha (Judea,
Samaria, and the Gaza Strip), say that seven months after the political
upset in Israel, not only has the government changed but also the entire
system. They say that on the instructions of the prime minister, the
Housing Ministry has ceased publishing new tenders. The
subcommittee of the Supreme Planning Council for Judea and Samaria
is convening to discuss construction in the settlements only with
advance approval of the prime minister or his deputy in the Defense
Ministry, Efrayim Sneh.

In another story, ARUTZ-7 has learned that by the end of the year 2000,
the IDF (Israel Defense Force) plans to totally cease army guard duty
within the Jewish communities of Judea and Samaria. The number of
IDF guards in Yesha has already been decreased by 40% over the past
several weeks. IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Sha'ul Mofaz informed a
gathering of Home Front Command officers last Thursday that budgetary
constraints are to blame, and added that most of the residents are army
veterans who can protect themselves. In response, the Yesha Council
has informed Yesha's security officers not to man the guard posts
vacated by the army. Council Chairman Benny Kashriel informed O.C.
Command Maj.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon that beginning in April, the large
Yesha townships of Ma'aleh Adumim, Beitar, and Givat Ze'ev will halt
their funding for security guards in their localities. As if this were not
enough, the Magen David Adom medical organization also announced
last week that it would cut back on special emergency services
throughout Yesha by the end of this month, as future government
funding has not been approved. The Yesha Council has asked for an
urgent meeting with Deputy Defense Minister Sneh "before the entire
network collapses."

The Jewish population in Judea and Samaria grew last year by almost
3%, and now numbers 177,000 people.

RALLY FOR JERUSALEM: An estimated 5,000 people took part in the
drive-in/march Tuesday night against the continued Waqf desecration of
the Temple Mount and in favor of the unity of Jerusalem. The unique
demonstration was organized by the Zo Artzeinu (This is Our Land)
movement, and involved many hundreds of cars from all over the
country. The event featured two stages   one motorized, and one on
foot. Demonstrators from around the country arrived in the capital with
pro-Jerusalem posters and flags on their cars. One group of
demonstrators set out from Gamla in the Golan, where 1900-year-old
coins bearing the words "For the Liberty of Jerusalem"   the theme of
the demonstration   were uncovered. Drivers parked in the Kidron Valley
where the Muslim Waqf has dumped the remains of the treasures it dug
up from under the Temple Mount. The participants, holding torches, then
marched to a spot close to the Mount, and took part in an allegiance-
declaring ceremony to Jerusalem and to the site of the Holy Temple.
The force behind the demonstration, Moshe Feiglin, said, "It's not only
the left, or the right, who are causing us to lose Jerusalem   they are
both responsible! We hope to help bring to power a new government that
is based on people of faith, one that will restore to our nation its
awareness of its special mission."

INTERVIEW: DR. GABI BARKAY ON TEMPLE MOUNT
EXCAVATIONS: IMRA (Independent Media Review  Analysis)
interviewed archeologist Dr. Gabi Barkay of Bar Illan University, Land of
Israel Studies Department, in English, on 24 January 2000.

IMRA: Do you have a sense as to how much damage was caused by
the excavations at the Temple Mount?

BARKAY: No I don't have. Nobody knows what was destroyed there and
that is the tragedy. There was no recording and the dig was done
clandestinely at night by heavy machinery and trucks and nobody
knows. Only the result is there.

IMRA: I have spoken with people from the Waqf and they say that if you
look at photographs from 60 or 80 years ago that the area excavated
didn't exist. That the area being excavated was basically modern landfill.

BARKAY: This is outrageous. Totally incorrect. The Temple Mount has
never been touched archeologically. Its surface has not even been
properly surveyed. Nothing is known about the Temple Mount and all the
aerial photographs that we have since the beginning of photography all
indicate that that area did not change much since antiquity. What was
done there is destruction.

IMRA: Is there any indication of what was destroyed from the excavated
material dumped in the Kidron Valley?

BARKAY: By the way, the illegal dumping in the Kidron Valley that
ruins the landscape there is another violation. It is very 

[CTRL] Week Ending: 29 January 2000 / 22 Shevat 5760 Part 2

2000-01-30 Thread Bill Richer

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GUEST COMMENTARY: Israel's Saving Remnant, by Eugene Narrett,
PhD (An archive of Prof. Narrett's articles may be found on the Freeman
Center Web Site: http://freeman.io.com)

"And they ceased living in unwalled towns in Israel" "How did we close
our eyes and not see our clear destiny in all its cruelty? Have we
forgotten that in Gaza hundreds of thousands of [Arabs] are praying for
us to weaken so that they may tear us to shreds?" 1

The crises of the era of the Judges of Israel have returned. There is no
king in Israel, the tribes are disunited and much of the inheritance is
alienated. In Jerusalem, the heads of the state are scoffers who boast of
their "covenant with Death and pact with the Grave" as if falsehood will
shelter them when the coming storm pummels the land like a scourging
staff (Isaiah 28:14-15). Mr. Clinton and his successor-mouthpiece for the
Bildeberger Group and Council of Foreign Relations will proclaim,
"peace, peace" and there will be no end, seemingly to the self-
congratulation and enrichment of the deceivers. Ehud Barak tells CNN
that "in two or three months" there must be a peace agreement with
Syria. Having committed Israel to this outcome, he claims, "I'm
confident we will have opening of borders, normalization with Syria,
water issues solved, the boys coming home from Lebanon, upgrading of
weapons systems with the support of the American administration.
[Then] there will be an opening to the Maghreb and to the Arabian
Peninsula and an economic boom"2. As Isaiah saw and foresaw, the
delusions of faithless rulers tend toward "sheer horror."

When the fiery woman, Deborah was a judge in Israel, violence against
Jews became so bad that "road travel ceased. Those who traveled went
on by-pass ways and they ceased living in unwalled towns in Israel." In
those days Israel chose new gods whose current forms are American
technology and pop culture with its moral relativism, psychobabble and
behavioral engineering via advertising. Thus, "war came to the land"
(Judges 5:6-8) and the same is happening today. From the upper
Galilee and Golan to Hebron Jews are being herded behind concrete
walls and razor wire and onto back roads by their own government.
Once Barak accomplishes the withdrawal from the security zone in
southern Lebanon of which he ignorantly boasts, "town in the north will
be turned into military outposts" and stretches of road there and along
the coast north of Nahariya will become "closed military zones."
Reflecting his chief, a senior IDF officer says that the Golan "is not a
vital interest for the existence of Israel. If the Syrians capture the
northern Galilee, it will not be so terrible."3

The betrayal of Israel by its 'friends' abroad and Labor-Socialist leaders
at home has roused a large and growing cross-section of the nation.
The massive demonstration in Tel Aviv January 10 deterred Israel's
collapse and caused the State Department to reverse its official tune.
"Certainly we don't wish to push the Israelis anywhere they don't want to
go," they claimed the next day.4 But even as many Israelis awake, they
face crises on all sides. This is the result of three generations of leaders
that identified more with England or Bolshevism or the Arabs than with
their heritage, and who have been concerned above all with the power of
their caste. All of these crises are those of identity. Israel's embattled
physical borders reflect a pervasive distortion and forgetting of what the
treasured people is meant to be and to avoid.

Neither Judaism nor Israel can exist or be understood apart from Torah.
Israel is not a "state" in the modern sense that derives from Machiavelli
(1469-1527) and Thomas Hobbes (1588-1677), but a people whose daily
practice on their Land embodies the truth of Torah centering on the
sovereignty of God Almighty5. John Locke (1632-1704) postulated an
autocracy of sensation that invited social engineering since man by his
theory is merely a blank slate and his character a sum of environmental
impacts. Though Locke asserted the innate goodness of man and
supported private property, his theories as much as those of Hobbes
and Machiavelli effectively deposed God and soul from issues of social
organization and individual spirit. The social turbulence and moral decay
of late Renaissance Italy, and the centuries long dynastic turmoil and
religious strife of England destroyed the principles of legitimacy and
monarchy and opened the gates to the tyranny of the mob and the
State acting in its name in pursuit of rationalized lusts6. Like the
ancient city of Babel, the modern state is a glorification of human
appetites in which reason becomes "a sort of lawyer for the will" as
Melville wrote, "an implement for effecting the irrational." The resulting
"wantonness of atrocities partake of the insane" as chronically
demonstrated by 

Re: [CTRL] REMOTE MIND CONTROL TECHNOLOGY Anna Keeler 2/2

2000-01-30 Thread Joe Gillaspie

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 Does it follow that an EEC modulated carrier frequency can he
 used to enhance human avoidance learning? You bet, provided
 the same careful procedures are followed with humans as were
 with animals, the same result would accrue. Recall again the
 goals of Pandora to discover whether a carefully constructed
 electromagnetic signal could direct the mind.

 The obvious question becomes how many and with how much accuracy
 can behavioral states or "frames of mind" be intentionally
 imposed, that is, apart from the certain technological capability
 to promote disorganization and degradation of perception and
 performance through use of the fields. In fact many components of
 warning or conditioning including affect (i.e. feeling or
 emotional states) can be imposed through use of the fields from a
 distance e.g. behavioral arousal orienting reflex, subliminal
 stress (alarm reaction without realization of the contextual
 significance) so-called levels of consciousness, inhibition of
 Cerebral function which would render one more susceptible to
 suggestion or influence and so on. All components necessary to
 produce behavioral conditioning, including ways to provide
 contextual significance can be applied from a distance (i.e.
 without direct brain contact, as was necessary in older behavior
 modification experiments.).

 Another indication that the government entertained notions of
 behavior control through use of fields and sound is a 1974
 research proposal by J.F. Schapitz. To test his theory his plan
 was to record EEG correlates induced by various drugs and then
 to modulate these biological frequency on a microwave carrier.
 "Could the same behavioral states be produced by imposing these
 brain wave frequencies on human subjects?" His plan went
 further and included inducing hypnotic states and using words
 modulated on a microwave carrier frequency to attempt to
 covertly condition subjects to perform various acts." The plan
 as released (through the Freedom Of Information Act) seems less
 part of a careful recipe for influence than Adey's and other
 DOD scientists' work, and may have been released to mislead by
 lending an "information beam" science fiction-like quality to
 the work.

 The end of Project Pandora may have signified the end of research
 into the cause of effects of the varying frequencies registered
 at the American embassy in Moscow, some known to be due to CIA
 and National Security Agency equipment but interest in microwave
 and biological frequency weapons did not wane. Indeed there are
 indications of applications. As we have seen research that began
 in response to a security concern, transformed almost overnight
 into a search for weapons applications, while cloaked in
 disinformation about the Soviets. What types of weapons?

 There Are Three Possibilities:

 (1) That microwaves, perhaps modulated with low biological
 frequencies are used from a distance to cause performance
 decrements and disorganization by interfering with
 neuro-electric function; or by causing Central nervous system
 effects subjective feelings of ill health or health syndrome
 associated with periodic exposures at intensities below 10,000
 microwatts/cm2.

 (2) That microwaves are used to create organ specific effects,
 e.g., tissues with less blood circulation like the gall bladder
 lens of the eye, etc., can compensate less to increased heating;
 heart disfunctions can be caused; lesions or necrosis of
 internal tissues can be induced without a subject necessarily
 feeling heat and symptoms might manifest later at certain
 frequencies. Slight heating or hot spots can be created at the
 center of the head; there is an ongoing Navy contract to find
 parameters to disrupt human metabolic functions; or

 (3) That they are used in an 

Re: [CTRL] Armand Hammer and Al Gore

2000-01-30 Thread lloyd

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More on Gore:

Who is Al Gore, and what does he stand for?

The Presidential primaries are underway, and some thought should be given
to the antecedents of one of the probable or possible Democratic
candidates: Al Gore.

Let's begin this curious but true tale with the story of the late Armand
Hammer. Hammer was a dedicated Communist, and the son of the founder of the
American Communist Party. He was a confidant of Lenin's. He maintained
close ties with both the Roosevelt administration and Joseph Stalin. Hammer
was a money launderer for the Communists and Al Gore's father became rich
working with Armand Hammer. Al Gore Sr. worked for Hammer for a $500
thousand salary, and ultimately that money gained them a Senate seat. This
is the source of Al Gore's family's money, and gives one clue to the source
of his liberalism.

Everyone has heard of the Communist or Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, but
not many have heard of the story of how it came about, how it was actually
financed, and by who. This sorry and ultimately murderous tale begins with
the rich capitalist banker Jacob Schiff of the New York firm of Kuhn Loeb.
In 1917, he gives the Communist Revolutionary Leon Trotsky $30 million in
gold coin for the purpose of fomenting a revolution in Russia. Today, the
buying power of $30 million in gold would be measured in the billions of
dollars. Trotsky, accompanied by 275 Communist revolutionaries set sail for
Helsinki from New York to enter Russia and begin the revolution. The
consequences of that are well known. So much for the conflict between
Capitalists and Communists.

In 1997, another link was forged in this saga of the Communist agents.
Karenna Gore, most recently in the newspapers over a drug issue, gets
married. Who does she choose to marry? The answer is Andrew Schiff,
great-grandson of Jacob Schiff, the financier of the Communist Revolution.

When you talk to your friends, be sure to mention that Gore comes from a
family of betrayers, and the link continues unbroken. Over 100 million
innocent people came to their deaths through the Communists. That is
between ten and twenty times as many as those that the Nazis murdered. To
the extent that we won the Cold War, do we now want one of them in the
White House? Can a leopard change its spots?

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Secret War Against the Jews by Loftus Aarons

2000-01-30 Thread Kris Millegan





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DIVCatherine - You are such an acute and prolific reader, and your focus on 
the money is right on the money:/DIV
DIVnbsp;/DIV
DIVFrom: "Catherine Austin Fitts" lt;A 
href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Agt;/DIV/DIV
DIVgt; Bigotry alone is too easy an answer. Anit-Semitism may have been the 
seed ofBRgt; the Holocaust but the rapid spread of genocide and the 
multinationalBRgt; charachter of the victims suggest that too many history 
books have missedBRgt; something: the root of all racism. This says one 
American intelligenceBRgt; officer is money. Greed is the secret connection 
beneath the soil of racialBRgt; politics that permits patches of bigotry to 
spread across the landscape.BRgt; BRgt; "Forget the ideology. Trace the 
money: said one of the "old spies." InsteadBRgt; of exploring the 
philosophical underpinnings of communism and facism ourBRgt; source suggested 
that we examine the isssue of who profits from genocide.BRFONT face=Palatino 
size=3/FONTFONT face=Palatino size=3
PRacism relates to the Drug War exactly the same way it related to slavery. 
Racism didn#8217;t Icause/I slavery, industrial fascism, the Ieconomic/I 
utility of slaves caused slavery, in ancient Sumer as in colonial Georgia. In 
fact Iindustrial fascism/I can be defined as Ithe coercive use of people 
as industrial machinery/I. It was inflicted on Native America and Native 
Polynesia by the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, French, English, German and 
American slavers in exactly the same way as on Native Africa, and plenty of 
Asians and Whites suffered from fascist brutality as well./FONTBRgt; 
BRgt; 1926 Alan Dulles joins Sullivan amp; Cromwell, after leaving the 
StateBRgt; Department.BRgt; BRgt; October 1942 The US Government 
charges Prescott Bush (father of George H. W.BRgt; Bush) with runnning Nazi 
front groups in the US. Under the Trading with theBRgt; Enemy Act all the 
shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seizedBRgt; including those held 
by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemyBRgt; nationals. Union 
Banking was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman andBRgt; Bush handled 
the Harriman accounts as well./PFONT face=Palatino size=3
P align=justifyIn 1939, as England and France were fighting for their lives, 
the Dulles brothers#8217; law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell, refused to close their 
German offices. In 1940, John Foster Dulles, through Sullivan and Cromwell, 
arranged dummy Swedish ownership of the U.S. branch of the German Bosch 
engine-parts company. This enabled the Nazis to maintain actual ownership - and 
operatives in key U.S. defense installations./FONTFONT face=Palatino 
size=126/FONTFONT face=Palatino size=3 /P
PAllen Dulles was the Schroeder representative in Germany before the war. 
Since he had extensive contacts in the German business community, and the cover 
of actually working for them, he was tapped to establish the Office of Strategic 
Services base in neutral Switzerland in 1942, making it through the border 
literally on the last train before the Germans sealed it. He executed some 
spectacular German infiltrations, intelligence coups and surrenders, dealing 
with anonymous moles as well as the likes of Himmler, Canaris and Gehlen. He 
also executed the survival of significant parts of the Nazi 
machine./FONTBRgt; BRgt; 1972 As Chairman of the Republican National 
Committee from 1972-74, Bush mayBRgt; have been one of those who knew that 
there was something politicallyBRgt; explosive about the Vatican-Nazi 
connection especially as it applied to theBRgt; Croatians. The Croatian 
connection to Republican electioneering was no minorBRgt; scandalThe 
Croatian Nazis reached into the very heart of the RepublicanBRgt; party's 
1972 campaign to reelect Richard Nixon./P/DIV
DIVFONT face=Palatino size=3
P align=justifyViorel Trifa, who ran IWaffen-SS/I Iron Guard death squads 
in Romania, became a bishop of the Romanian Orthodox Episcopate in America in 
1952. It was great cover. In 1955, at the invitation of Vice-President Nixon, he 
led the opening prayer for the U.S. Senate. This is a man who literally skinned 
"kike" children alive. /P
PIn 1952, the CIA uncovered proof of a $100,000 bribe to Nixon from an Iron 
Guard operative, Nicolae Malaxa, who had been in business with Hermann Goring#8217;s 
brother during the war./FONTFONT face=Palatino size=195/FONTFONT 
face=Palatino size=3 Viorel Trifa was stripped of his U.S. citizenship in 1984 
and deported to Portugal, where he proceeded to go to work for Horia Sima, the 
Iron Guard#8217;s man in Madrid, and for Chirila Ciuntu, who, like Sima, did SS dirty 
work on the Russian front. Ciuntu was another Iron Guard delegate to the 

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] WERE JEWISH BANKERS AROUND HITLER AND STALIN?

2000-01-30 Thread Kris Millegan





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style="BORDER-LEFT: #00 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; 
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  DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"- Original Message - /DIV
  DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"BFrom:/B 
  A href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Brian Downing Quig/A 
  /DIV
  DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"BTo:/B A 
  href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
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  DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"BSent:/B Sunday, January 30, 2000 2:48 
  AM/DIV
  DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"BSubject:/B [CIA-DRUGS] WERE JEWISH BANKERS 
  AROUND HITLER AND STALIN?/DIV
  DIVBR/DIVDan Russell, 
  PI hope you have read the book OUR CROWD about the J. P. Morgan social set 
  in New York City.nbsp; They were all Jewish and all from Frankfort Germany 
  and they all went on to become the federal reserve families.nbsp; When all 
  the marriges are examined it is clear that it is all one family after 
  all.nbsp; Were these easily stated Jewish families involved in the greatest 
  financial conspiracies of their time?nbsp; With no doubt.nbsp; Did they 
  represent or act for the benefit of other Jews?nbsp;nbsp; 
  PFONT face=PalatinoWhy this fixation on the Jews?nbsp; Some bankers are 
  Jewish, most are not.nbsp; JP Morgan wasn't Jewish.nbsp; Rockefeller?nbsp; 
  Carnegie?nbsp; Morgan?nbsp; Dulles?nbsp; Bush?nbsp; Schroeder?nbsp; 
  Krupp?nbsp; Ford?nbsp; Banking is driven by industrial power, not 
  ethnicity.nbsp; Did the German Lutheran bankers act for the benefit of the 
  American Lutherans they machine-gunned to death on D-Day?nbsp; I don't think 
  Lutheranism figured in the equation at all.nbsp; /FONT
  PSTRONGFONT face=PalatinoThis, of yours, is 
  empirical:nbsp;/FONT/STRONGFONT face=ArialSTRONG"The answer was 
  coercion.nbsp; Persecution of poor Jews began in Russia and Germany and laws 
  were enacted in foreign countries like the United States to restrict Jewish 
  immigration.nbsp; There was little choice for most but to immigrate to 
  Israel.nbsp; And so a quazi European military surrogate state was formed that 
  militarily could stand alone against the combined military force of the region 
  and win.nbsp; The oil was militarily protected."nbsp; /STRONG/FONTFONT 
  face=PalatinoSimplistic, oil is not thenbsp;only factor in that equation, 
  but yeah, if you're talking about living through a red hot war, you're gonna 
  deal with whatever power is on the ground, or under it, and that is certainly 
  both militarily and economically predictable and exploitable./FONT
  PFONT face=ArialSTRONG"This makes some sense out of the glaring fact 
  that the bankers around Hitler and Stalin were Jewish.Now if we could more 
  closly examine this curious point.nbsp; In light of Jewish persecution by 
  both Hitler and Stalin - -- were there a surprising number of Jewish bankers 
  around these men?"nbsp; /STRONG/FONTFONT face=PalatinoName five around 
  Hitler - a not very surprising number.nbsp; I mean specifically, by bank and 
  function, around Hitler.nbsp; Bet all you can come up with is a Jewish 
  ancestor.nbsp;FONT face=PalatinoUh oh, another Jewish conspiracy.nbsp; 
  /FONTWhat a fixation.nbsp; /FONT
  PFONT face=PalatinoListen, redneck, generalizations are a way to avoid 
  having to be specific.nbsp; Hitler and Stalin don't bunch.nbsp; They weren't 
  allies.nbsp; They fought the biggest land war in history.nbsp; Menachem 
  Begin, who served time in Stalin's gulag, lost his parents to Hitler, not 
  Stalin.nbsp; He said that that was precisely what was better about Stalin's 
  gulag than Hitler's.nbsp; Because in Stalin's gulag, he wasn't there because 
  he was Jewish.nbsp; It was a fully integrated gulag.nbsp; Just like banking 
  itself, a fully integrated industry.nbsp; You seem to have a problem with 
  that.nbsp; Money drives banking, Einstein, not ethnicity, as Catherine, and 
  John Loftus and Mark Aarons, and I in my reply to Catherine, said.nbsp; I 
  don't accuse you of dishonesty.nbsp; I think your fixation is genuine.nbsp; 
  Wish I could help you with your identity problems.nbsp;/FONT
  PDan RussellBRA href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ABRA 
  href="http://www.kalyx.com"www.kalyx.com/A
  Pnbsp;
  Pnbsp;
  Pnbsp;
  PDan Russell wrote: 
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lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/TTLook, JP amp; Brian, especially JP - as you know, 
I share much of your political distress about the descent of our country 
into drug-financed military fascism.nbsp; You are allies.nbsp; But these 
words you are using, Ashkenazim and Sephardim, are as general a 

[CTRL] Bilderberg; Davos; Trilateralism

2000-01-30 Thread Kris Millegan

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Global Citizens:

It looks like trilateralism is happening is three phases: first is
Europe i.e. the euro and then, Asia: "Defining the future of the Asian
business model.  A panel including Rudiger Dornbusch, professor of
economics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Fan Gang,
director of China's National Economic Research Institute, will discuss
topics including: is the region moving toward developing a "new economy"
of its own?" (1)

Does this "new economy" include a regional currency for Asia?

Philip Henika

(1) "Blair, Dell on stage Friday
WEF topics include 21
January 27, 2000: 3:02 p.m. ET

DAVOS, Switzerland (CNNfn) - World Economic Forum participants will get
a taste of 21st century leadership from a prominent world politician and
a technology innovator as the conference convenes fora second day in the
snowy Swiss Alps Friday.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair [ A HREF="http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/"htt
p://www.tlio.demon.co.uk//A
1998.htm#Blair - "Bilderberg 1998; Blair's presence confirmed; Blair
playing fast and loose with the public; Tony Gosling; 24Dec98; "Western
democracy and press freedom has been undermined by British prime
minister Tony Blair's clandestine presence at Scotland's 1998 Bilderberg
meeting..." ] is scheduled to give a special presentation to the roughly
1,000 WEF participants before joining Dell Computer Corp. (DELL)
Chairman Michael Dell in a panel discussion on 21st century leadership.

Dell and Blair will debate whether fast-moving corporations are
outrunning changes in government policy. The two also will attemptto
deduce whether there are common characteristics for the so-called "new
leaders" governing the world's dynamic businesses andcountries.

The day's other big draw is expected to be an early morning panel
discussion on how economic values are quickly replacing moral values in
today's society.

Featured in that discussion are well-known investor [ Bilderberg - my
comment ] George Soros [ "THE NEW GLOBAL ORDER;  The next Bilderberg
meeting ; Secret roster, agenda for Washington conference ; © 1999
WorldNetDaily.com" and
A HREF="http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildlist.htm"http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk
/bildlist.htm/A - 1996 Bilderberg Conference -
CIBC Leadership Centre, Toronto, Canada ] , Louis Schweitzer, chairman
and chief executive officer of Renault, and Bulent Ecevit, the prime
minister of Turkey.

Other panel discussions set to take place tomorrow include:

Can we take open markets for granted?  A panel including World Trade
Organization Director-General Mike Moore will discuss how to balance the
needs of advancing and developing economies.

Who needs central banks anyway? Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Roger
Ferguson and Citigroup (C) Vice-Chairman Deryck Maughan will lead a
discussion on how the move to a cashless society will impact the
survival of central banks around the globe.

Defining the future of the Asian business model.  A panel including
Rudiger Dornbusch, professor of economics at Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, and Fan Gang, director of China's National Economic Research
Institute, will discuss topics including: is the region moving toward
developing a "new economy" of its own?

The digital state: reinventing government. John Manley, Canada's
minister of industry, John Quelch, dean of the London Business School,
and others will consider what governments need to do in the information
age to better communicate with their citizens.

Will bureaucracies be extinct?  What will test the credibility of the
euro? A panel including Nobel-prize-winning economist Robert Mundell and
Christian Noyer, vice president of the European Central Bank, will
consider the future of the single European currency, just a day after it
reached a new low against the dollar.

Financial markets in the 21st century. [ Bilderberg - my comment ]
Stanley Fischer [ "THE NEW GLOBAL ORDER;  The next Bilderberg meeting ;
Secret roster, agenda for Washington conference ; © 1999
WorldNetDaily.com" and  A HREF="http://www.the-news.net/bildeberg/index.htm"
http://www.the-news.net/bildeberg/index.htm/A -
"Bilderberg, reputedly the most secretive  high powered organization in
the world met in Portugal at the beginning of June 1999." ], first
deputy managing director of the International Monetary Fund, and Robert
Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs (GS), will be among those
discussing whether the new century will be more or less prone to the
financial shocks which disrupted the century just ended.

Are we rebuilding monopolies? The world's two most powerful trust-
busters, U.S. 

[CTRL] Slaves Unaware... Americans R those

2000-01-30 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aidaparker.org/bh/Slaves_Unawares.html"Slaves
 Unaware... Americans R those/A
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By Bobby Christian

SLAVES UNAWARES

.../Intro


David Rockefeller said. " freedom- is the absence of the awareness of
restraint". in other words, if you don't realize that you are a slave, you
are free.

Now that we know the new world order's definition of liberty, we can better
understand why our media is so controlled. The socialist globalists are
taking away our freedom bit by bit and the media is there to keep our people
from becoming aware of it. In truth, we are already slaves unaware on the
Global Plantation.

During the days of slavery, the slave was allowed to keep 75% of his
production. today, most people are unaware that over 80% of their paycheck
goes to federal, state, and local government in the form of taxes, hidden
taxes, penalties, fines, license fees, permit fees, and use taxes. 25% was
taken from the slaves of old- over 80% is taken from the new "slaves unaware".

Slaves of old could not own property. do you think you own your property
today? try not paying your taxes for a couple of years and you will find that
the property that you think you own is gone. Do you really own something if
someone can take it away from you without fair reimbursement? no!
Think you own your property? Let the government find a rare species of insect
on your land or let the government find a wet spot on your land and you will
find your land under the governments control without one penny paid to you
for the land you can no longer use.

Slaves could not protest against their condition without feeling the rod on
their backs. Can you protest your condition? ask the peaceful protesters at
Seattle. They tried to protest against the global plantation and they not
only felt night sticks on their backs, they were beaten, gassed, shot point
blank in the face with rubber bullets and stomped by the jack boots of the
new world order.

If a slave voted, his vote didn't count. You think your vote counts? How can
your vote count when "the Council on Foreign Relations" owns both parties and
will allow no candidate to run for office if he disagrees with the socialist
global agenda. David Rockefeller has openly bragged that he and his globalist
partners in treason "own every horse in the political race". You think your
vote counts? did you know that most electronic voting machines have cellular
modems built into their electronic circuitry right in the factory and that
the electronic voting machines can be accessed by cellular telephone and the
vote changed during the election? Do you think your vote counts? DO you know
that millions of illegal aliens are allowed to vote as long as they promise
to vote for the Socialist global agenda?

Slaves could not travel without a permit. Think you can travel without a
permit? Try taking the license plate off your car and throwing away your
drivers license then driving across our free nation. You will be arrested and
your car impounded even though the constitution and the supreme court says
that you have the "absolute right of unrestricted travel". The global masters
don't let a little thing like that stand in the way of putting restrictions
on your travel.

Slaves could not talk back to their masters without getting beaten. Think you
can talk back to your global masters without getting beaten? Ask the little
group of people protesting and calling Bill Clinton names. Bill Clinton's
body guards beat the pulp out of them and arrested them. Also read "The
Beating of Joe 6pk by the Gestapo."

Think you can talk back to the Global Masters?
Next time you are stopped by a policeman call him a name. The number
of the charges against you will multiply exponentially if you are lucky, if
you are unlucky, the officer will call in his friends and you will be
"violently subdued for resisting arrest" i.e. you will be beaten and
arrested. Yackety yack- don't talk back.

Slaves had to carry id on them and usually were given a slave number. Do you
have a slave number? What about that social security number that you have to
have in order to get a job, or to cash a check, or to go into the hospital,
or to drive a car , or just about anything that requires filling out forms?
Well, you don't have to carry ID you say. Oh yeah? Try traveling across the
country without ID. See how far you get.

Slaves had no say in the rules that governed their lives. How much say do you
really have in the rules that govern your life? Have you ever had the
opportunity to vote for any leader in the un? Have you ever got to vote for
anyone in the WTO? Yet today these people are controlling part of your life.
Soon, if the globalists get their way, they will be controlling all of your
life from the time your are born to the time you die.

Slaves were experimented on. Oh you are not experimented 

[CTRL] Implementing the NWO through bogus anti-terrorism campaigns (like Y2K?)

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Implementing the NWO through bogus anti-terrorism campaigns (like Y2K?)


Is "tracking terrorists" an excuse for invading YOUR privacy while
implementing the New World Order?


re: Put them on a 'World's Most Wanted' list - 01/18/2000 me

...How can we stop international terrorists not only from killing the
innocent but from disrupting world order?

ER Uh, put everyone who might not want a New World  Order in jail? Spy
on all the citizens, and put a seal on their forehead to track them, and
if they refuse, send them to mind-straightening mental institutions, where
any thoughts about GOD can be exorcised and replaced by NWO Government is
God thoughts?

The world needs to come to better agreement on the treatment of
terrorists. But even where there is agreement, little gets done.

ER Uh, you mean like blowing up the wrong aspirin factory in the Sudan?
Or wagging the Kosovo dog, and exaggeration of ethnic cleansing as an
excuse to bomb and divert attention away from King Billy the First? Like
in BOMBING the Chinese embassy with SMART BOMBS?

Given the effectiveness in the United States of the America's Most Wanted
list for capturing criminals, the United Nations Security Council should
consider establishment of a World's Most Wanted list.

ER. Gee, why don't we just start an international "Just sat no" campaign
to dissuade those mean ol' terrorists?

Presently, the United States has an international most wanted list of its
own. Terrorists on that list include the likes of Osama bin Laden, who is
believed to be responsible for the bombings of U.S. embassies

Although this country has opposed the concept of an international criminal
court, fearing that NATO or American leaders could be charged for taking
actions like the bombing of Kosovo, the United Nations Security Council
could be the overseer of a World's Most Wanted list.

Ultimately, the key to fighting international terrorism is international
cooperation. The U.N. Security Council should take its October resolution
condemning international terrorism further and should consider ways that
consensus can be built around the development and implementation of a
World's Most Wanted list...

Terrorist capability extends today beyond hijackings and bombings to
technological disruptions and even more devastating chemical and
biological assaults. The Indian Airlines hijacking was just a small
reminder that rogue interests are one of the biggest emerging threats to
world order. -A HREF="http://dallasnews.com/editorial/19035_18edit1.html"htt
p://dallasnews.com/editorial/19035_18edit1.html/A

ER The biggest threat to HUMANITY is excessive government. They steal
liberty, and this editorial is BOGUS. Terrorism in fact is mostly a
problem in the Colombian area - it has been declining in the US - and the
hypesters and New World Orderers were completely wrong about the Y2K
non-event! This terrorism is a power grab. Its a  sacking of the Bill of
Rights for the bogus pretense of national security.

ER Want to reduce terrorism? Don't be an international bully.

ER The last century, it has not been terrorists who have caused massive
casualties, it has been the sole accomplishment of totalitarian
governments. The New World Order wants a police force to protect
themselves and their anti-American NWO co-conspirators. They want a
mechanism to lock up dissidents. Its all too familiar, big government
KILLS!

"Government is like a fire.   It is a dangerous servant and a fearful
master."  --George Washington.


 (1) DEATH BY GOVERNMENT:


A HREF="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/MURDER.HTM"http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ru
mmel/MURDER.HTM/A

MURDER BY GOVERNMENT web site
A HREF="http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/MURDER.HTM"http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ru
mmel/MURDER.HTM/A

 Governments have murdered hundreds of
 millions of their citizens and those under their
 control. The questions are, then, how is this democide
 defined, is genocide included, how many have been
 killed, how do we find this out, and what sources can
 be used?

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT - By R.J. Rummel

   New Brunswick, N.J.:
  Transaction Publishers, 1994.

CONTENTS


 Figures and Tables
 Forward (by Irving Louis Horowitz)
 Preface
 Acknowledgments

 1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and
 Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND

 2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of
 Democide]
 3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century
 Democide

II 

[CTRL] Bush will be next President

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Hi

Bush Jnr. will be the next US President, and all the Bullshit until after
the election, is just to keep the illusion of Democracy alive.

HenryK
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[CTRL] ORBIT: specific instructions to unlock the Great Pyramid

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ORBIT: specific instructions to unlock the Great Pyramid
CyberSpace ORBIT
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THE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH
Specific instructions to unlock the Great Pyramid, the precise location and
meaning of the Ark of the Covenant and much, MUCH more. MUST SEE! Staggering
new revelations. Most crucial information!

OTHER CURRENT TOPICS:

1/27/00: MAGNETOMETER GOES BERZERK

1/23/00-1/25/00: ANOMALY CLUSTER AROUND MERCURY

TAKEOVER AT PINE RIDGE
Satellite anomalies over S. Dakota

SHOO
Real-life "PHENOMENON"
Study in advanced human abilities potential

MARS
Russians, NASA meet secretly to plan manned Mars missions
Radio Signal From Mars! Polar Lander Still Alive?

MOON
Lost asteroid is Earth's new moon, say experts
Runways on the moon

HANS RUSSELL PICKS UP THE GLOVES
a type of magnet which is created through nuclear chemistry, and more

ORBIT WARPS A MILLION
Global hits through the main gate

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Left: unusual south pole flare
1/27/00 20:06


Please back up and read the information concerning a wild scenario at the
Giza Plateau. I would suggest that you examine the reports in this order,
left to right: For an even deeper review, back into the mists of
time, please examine: THE TOMB OF OSIRIS

 Designed for 600X800 Truecolor, Netscape

SLEUTHS: Please help check environs, on and off world, solar, lunar, comets,
asteroids, as well as activities, quakes, weather, fireballs, unusual
sightings, especially over ancient sites and grid points.
EDITOR'S NOTE: about explanations: I've pretty much relaxed the need to
define everything, just kind of watch it all go by and more than ever remain
content to wonder. As far as I'm concerned the prime voltage of the Cosmos is
pure whim with a propulsion towards novelty.  "Prove this, explain that ,"
echoes the general cry. But where do we put the proof-goalposts?  I prefer to
test and hopefully one day swim soul-naked in the Mythstream.  Kent

Ambilac Corporation

Presents:

 THE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH

Specific instructions to unlock the Great Pyramid, the precise location and
meaning of the Ark of the Covenant and much, MUCH more. MUST SEE! Staggering
new revelations. Most crucial information! Email link
.
A tone or series of tones will open it. As they say and imply, caution and
timeliness is advised. The notes need to be toned while standing in the
Queen's chamber niche, and Ambilac has the right place.

 CROWNSTAR

 EDITOR'S COMMENTARY: About harmony, disharmony and banjo-pickin, a parable.
I found this rather bizarre image artifact, if that's what it is, a few
moments ago.
Its really got me puzzled. Most of the pixel block artifacts seen on the C2
SOHO shots do not appear to be background composited. This object quite
definitely is!
Is this is a deliberate image alteration? If it is, it's the most clumsy job
I've ever seen.
Got any thoughts on this one? I'm somewhat stumped at this point...
Colonel Ervin

Weird time on LASCO frame

EMAIL, 1/28/00 4:24:30 PM Pacific Standard Time: I´m Michael from Germany.
Your site is fascinating and you give me superb information day by day! I
want to sent you this c2mpeg. Please see the date 2000/01/23 26:06  UT.
This "failure" was removed the next day from the Soho/Lasco site. I cannot
understand how the clock could show a time like this. Everytime something
important is going on the sun they cut the pictures or do something else to
cut the information.

1/29/00 20:42


 HARRY MASON: Considerations Re Alleged Fatima Revelations


 HARRY MASON: DENMARK WESTERN AUSTRALIA 02-01-2000 FIREBALL





  LT. COL. T. E. BEARDEN: FREE ENERGY

THE MORAY RADIANT ENERGY DEVICE
He envisioned the dynamic Universe as a turbulent source of great energy,
just as the ocean waves carry energy throughout the earth. This was also the
vision of Tesla, and after him of Clifford and Einstein, who turned the
attention of general relativity to the problem of the nature of the vacuum
itself. Clifford and Einstein founded a branch of physics that has come to be
known as quantum geometrodynamics, the study of energetic change that occurs
in little pieces, including the concept that very small lengths of space, or
pure vacuum, themselves oscillate at great frequency and with 

[CTRL] HAS THE VAULT BEEN BREACHED?

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HALL OF RECORDS

HAS THE VAULT BEEN BREACHED?

ALGOL

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EDITOR'S MOST IMPORTANT HUMDINGER OF A NOTE

The essays and contributions here represent types that come from the binary
rational side of awareness as well as types that plunge deeply into the
brilliant-shadow of the intuitive.  I ask the wayfarer to try to
witness both.  In taking the leap over the Newtonian hearth do we not become
human? To court the Sirens, the Muses, do we not suddenly become sane?
In an infinite Cosmos all dreams are true.


TOMB OF OSIRIS MAIN  NEW BRIEFING


SOURCE: 9/17/99 5:01:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time: PLEASE take time to read
the following succinct overview, if you  want more data refer to my web site
- this is VERY important and  concerns us all.


READ THIS, and THIS, and ESPECIALLY THIS

What is this machine? It is a structure so complex in its form that one may
have difficulty in accepting the purpose for its ultimate end. The purpose is
to harvest the energy of souls . . .

NOT SO DEEPLY-CODED MESSAGE:

WAKE UP! THE CENTRAL HALL OF RECORDS MUST BE OPENED TO ALL NOW!
Privileged scholars, secrety self-proclaimed mystics, alpha-agency jocks and
greedy antiquity pirates, the game is over.  Attempts to put
THE HALL OF RECORDS in your hip pockets could lead to great personal and
spiraling disaster. If you cannot open the vaults, if attempts so far have
failed, get somebody that can! PLEASE no more hesitancy; WE have about three
days!

 9/22/99 MAGNETOMETERS GOING BERZERK


GOSH, WONDER WHY?

INTEL: Giza Plateau requested

 KENTO'S Creative Creator Creation, an improbable chat, best not to read at
all.


 IMPORTANT: AMBILAC NEWS

We are not pursuing this data; however, our overlay certainly appears to
present an electrically-driven machine with circular moving parts, coupled
with some sort of reaction chamber.

 A CLUE: Brother from another planet (Djinn Master?)


 RETURN OF THE VIMANA


SLEUTHS STRONG INTUITION HERE:  VIMANA: CHINA, CHINA, CHINA


If you were to trip a silent switch you would remember the time parallel when
the world was only a vacation, a place with meadows and streams. A place to
project into form -- a becoming of meadows and streams or even strange
creatures with flesh and passions; or to stalk void-night with battles
against the dark Firbolg who had fallen so far. Our kind would not stay on
Terra long for soon would come a weariness of form. Off again we would soar
into the stars in tease of other worlds or to leap beyond substance into
planes where flow rivers of light. But even with our many distant wingings
Terra would call the return, and She became for unspoken eons our favorite
island, our "Homeworld."
I also decided to ask who was giving this information. I was told the People
of the Right Eye, the One People, who were my people. They are individuals,
but seen as one ball of light with many hands showing me various things. Many
hands, one voice.


 MORE PROPHECIES FROM THE CHEROKEE, HOPI, LAKOTA


THE SURFACE TABLETS, ANCIENT LIBRARY SCATTERED TO HOPI , TIBET, KENYA,
SWITZERLAND


.


 9/22/99 MAGNETOMETERS GOING BERZERK

HAARP  SWEDEN

 EMAIL, 9/20/99 6:56:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time: Check SOHO C3 quick.
Something is rushing toward the sun from the 4 to 5 o'clock position. If it
strikes the sun it could cause a CME.




 RED PUMA


20Sep1999 17:47:17.8 23.9N 121.1E 33 MS=7.8 M*GSR TAIWAN 1910
20Sep1999 17:47:19.0 23.8N 121.1E 33 MS=7.6 M*NEI TAIWAN 1842
20Sep1999 17:47:42.0 23.5N 121.0E216 mb=5.7 A*NEI TAIWAN 1815
20Sep1999 17:47:26.0 26.0N 121.0E 33 mb=5.6 A*YKA TAIWAN REGION 1814
20Sep1999 17:48:03.0 26.0N 122.0E 33 mb=6.1 A*YKA TAIWAN REGION 1812
20Sep1999 17:47:28.0 24.0N 119.0E 10 mb=6.4 A*LED TAIWAN REGION 1807

USGS

EMAIL, 9/21/99 8:58:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time: Latest on the BBC News
channel from the scientists shows that the Taiwan quake occurred "probably no
more than a few Kilometres below the surface." As a theory, considering all
the posturing from Mainland China, it may be possible that the Communist
Chinese delivered an underground Nuclear warhead, in some way (Ancient or new
undergroun tunnels, perhaps?).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_453000/453434.stm I know
that this is not going the way most of your site is, but I feel the need to
tell somebody about these crazy notions that I have. Your site is educating
me one hell of a lot towards the affairs of the spirit (of prime concern to
us all as we hope to be that eventually)! Keep up the good work.

E-WEAPONS: Not So Surprising Nuke-Earthquake News

"The theory was that underground nuclear explosions could trigger earthquakes
far from the site of the original blast. Researchers speculated the
destructive force released would be many times greater than 

[CTRL] Reno's $2 million 'private' spy - Mark Pitcavage

2000-01-30 Thread Kris Millegan

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Check out the Porker's picture on the URL below.

Reno's $2 million 'private' spy

Joseph Farah
WND

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Your federal government funded a paranoid, conspiracy-
minded activist to the tune of $2 million last year to, among
other things, spy on little old me.

This self-proclaimed "militia watchdog" is Mark Pitcavage of
Columbus, Ohio. He's a one-man clearinghouse whose work
on behalf of Janet Reno's Justice Department includes
trashing those investigating the Waco massacre. He boasts
on his website of being research director for the State and
Local Anti-Terrorism Training program, funded through the
Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Assistance through
the Institute for Intergovernmental Research.

A recent e-mail from Pitcavage sent in response to an
inquiry about the ownership of WorldNetDaily illustrates
that this quasi-government snoop dispenses more opinion
and innuendo than facts.

"I don't know who 'owns' them (WorldNetDaily)," he writes,
"but they do have a clear agenda. They are an
ultraconservative conspiracy-oriented (and, needhemselves seem like a
respectable news agency, but their stories are generally the
same old conspiracy theories and similar dead horses (land
grabs, U.N. power, military urban exercises, Bill Clinton is
evil, etc.) that have been trotted out before. The difference is
money, which allows them to have paid, full-time journalists,
and of course the Internet, which gives them a veneer of
respectability."

There's more, but let's just dissect this distortion from a man
who calls himself a "historian."

* On our "clear agenda": WorldNetDaily has never disguised
its agenda. It is to recapture a journalistic principle once
widely accepted in America - that the principle role of a free
press in a free society is to serve as a watchdog on
government. That's it. Simple, straightforward and wholly in
line with what reporters and editors routinely accepted as
their mission for 200 years in America.

* On the term "ultra-conservative": I'm the editor and
founder of WorldNetDaily. I don't belong to any political
movement or party. I have publicly disavowed and rejected
the label "conservative." I have repeatedly warned that the
biggest political threat facing America today is fascism. I
have brought together into the WorldNetDaily fold a broad
range of political commentators and analysts and have been
pilloried for doing so by many conservatives.

* On the term "conspiracy-oriented": I find it interesting that
the targets of WorldNetDaily's investigative reports often
resort to using this characterization as their sole line of
defense. They don't pick apart our reporting. They don't cite
inaccuracies. They don't deal in specifics. Instead, they use
broad strokes to discredit the one news agency in the world
that uses responsible journalistic techniques to carry out the
most traditional, honorable and noble work being done in
our profession today. That's what Pitcavage does. And he
learned the trick from his masters in this administration -
Hillary Clinton to name names.

* On our money: We made it the old-fashioned way. We
earned it - in the marketplace of ideas as a content provider
in a revolutionary new medium known as the Internet. We
don't have the government funding us. Got a problem with
that, pal? Jealous?

Pitcavage continues: "WorldNet has, however, proven
invaluable for the 'patriot' movement, as it has provided a
news source for all sorts of patriot newsletters and
magazines to glom material from; as a result, its stories are
very widely distributed and something that WorldNet puts
out can run through the entire patriot community in really no
time at all. Sometimes they even get picked up by what one
would normally consider mainstream venues."

Now who's the conspiracy-monger? This is the same old,
tired, "vast right-wing conspiracy" described by Hillary
Clinton years ago and discussed in detail in the White House
playbook, "The Communication Stream of Conspiracy
Commerce" back in 1995-96. They're still peddling the lies.
They're still calling the kettle black. They're still using
taxpayer money to keep dossiers and government force to
target "enemies."

Pitcavage is small potatoes. I'm not suggesting he's really a
key player in the massive forms of abuse of power exercised
by this administration. But he's indicative of how far the
abuse has gone. He should be stopped. He should be
defunded. 

[CTRL] CONGRESS ACTION: January 30, 2000

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CONGRESS ACTION: January 30, 2000

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WHO JUDGES THE JUDGES?: Over the past few decades, our nation has become less
of a representative republic, and has come to resemble an aristocracy ruled
by an increasingly arrogant and uncontrollable Imperial Judiciary. Our
congressional representatives and the president can be denied re-election by
the people they serve, but federal judges serve for life, and are therefore
totally unaccountable. The laws that govern our society, which under our
Constitution should be enacted by the legislature, are often now imposed on
society by federal judges intent on designing public policy to suit their own
tastes and prejudices. The newest Supreme Court ruling attacking the First
Amendment is a case in point, upholding State limitations on campaign
contributions so as to avoid the "perception" of corruption. "For nearly half
a century, this Court has extended First Amendment protection to a multitude
of forms of 'speech', such as making false defamatory statements, filing
lawsuits, dancing nude, exhibiting drive-in movies with nudity, burning
flags, and wearing military uniforms. . In light of the many cases of this
sort, today's decision is a most curious anomaly. Whatever the proper status
of such activities under the First Amendment, I am confident that they are
less integral to the functioning of our Republic than campaign contributions.
Yet the majority today, rather than going out of its way to protect political
speech, goes out of its way to avoid protecting it." (Justices Thomas and
Scalia, dissenting). Then there is the assault on the Second Amendment, not
through the Constitutional amendment process, but by groundless lawsuits
filed by pandering politicians, permitted to go forward by activist judges,
which have already forced one firearms manufacturer out of the retail
business entirely. Do judges really not understand the meaning of "shall not
be infringed", or do they simply know that they can ignore the Bill of Rights
with impunity because we are too ignorant or too cowed to object? Many
perfectly Constitutional laws that have been enacted by legislative vote or a
majority of the people in state referendum votes have been nullified by
judicial fiat. The popular attitude is that if Congress refuses to take some
action which some elitists want, the other two branches are free to usurp
that legislative authority. The Executive Branch does that through Executive
Orders and decrees more suited to a monarchy than to a republic. The Judicial
Branch does it through edicts which often have no basis in Constitutional law
or intent, fact or logic, in a process more suited to a totalitarian
aristocracy than to a representative republic. And the people cheer every new
usurpation. To James Madison, the foremost authority on the Constitution,
such usurpation ".makes the Judiciary Department paramount in fact to the
Legislature, which was never intended and can never be proper."

The Supreme Court and the federal judiciary was established as the final
arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution, within the hierarchy of the
federal government. BUT: Their authority is derived from that very
Constitution which, just as every other branch of our federal government,
grants them their power. And that grant of power ultimately arises from the
People; because all power, in our form of government under our Constitution,
originates with the People. Here, the People rule. As long as the will of the
People does not violate the Constitution, that will is supreme. The Justices
of the Supreme Court, no less than all other federal officials, are employees
of the People. From where do our employees obtain the right, the legitimate
authority, to overrule -- to dictate to -- their employers?

In our republic, the People exercise their power through their elected
representatives, the Congress. If the People do not have the power, operating
through their elected representatives, to overrule the Supreme Court, then
the Supreme Court has absolute power over the People. If that is true, where
did that absolute power come from? Did it pre-exist the Constitution? That
cannot be, because the Supreme Court was created by the Constitution, and
logically could not have possessed power before it even came into existence.
Then that absolute power must have arisen either in the Constitution itself,
or after ratification of the Constitution. How? The People, originally
possessing all of what would eventually become federal power, must have
granted that absolute power to the Court. That can have only happened in one
of three ways: (1) the People granted absolute power to the Supreme Court by
the Constitution, or (2) by Constitutional Amendment, or (3) by act of
Congress. If the People did not grant absolute power to the Supreme Court in
one of those three 

[CTRL] Bits Pieces

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BOHICA - we're not talking the book.  We are talking  the acronym.  The
Department of Defense and DPMO are planning to do it to the POW/MIA
families
, again.

In December 1998, the National Alliance of Families was provided with a
set
of briefing slides outlining the long term plans of DPMO.  We first
mentioned this in the February 5th, 1999 edition of Bits 'n' Pieces.
Notably absent, at year 2004, is any funding for the Joint Task Force -
Full
Accounting (JTF-FA.)

Folks, those are the guys that, in DPMO's own words "conducts
operations, to
include, analysis, investigations, archival researh, and recovry of
remains.
" Quite simply, no JTF-FA,  more information, and no more remains
recoveries
. This impacts our World War II - Korean And Cold War - Vietnam - and
Gulf
War families and the overall POW/MIA issue..

Our fears were again confirmed, by a statement contained on page 4 of a
DPMO
booklet titled "POW/MIA Accounting," dated 1999.   The statement, under
the
caption "VISION" reads; "By the end of the year 2004, we will have moved
from the way the US government conducts the business of recovery and
accounting to an active program of loss prevention, immediate rescues,
and
rapid post-hostility accounting."

There it is folks, in black and white, in DPMO's own words "By the end
of
the year 2004, we will have moved from the way the US government
conducts
the business of recovery and accounting to an active program of loss
prevention, immediate rescues, and rapid post-hostility accounting."

The government is planning to go from what they consider their active
mode
to a passive mode.  This means investigations will be made only if
Vietnam,
North Korea, China, or Russia decide to provide information.  Since all
of
the nations cited continue to withhold information, what makes anyone
think
that they will decide to provide information when we stop asking?

We were further disturbed by the contents of the January 14th, 2000 DPMO
Weekly Update describing an  "Extensive Study" that "Addresses Recovery
and
Accounting."  The update reads; " The Defense POW/Missing Personnel
Office
has initiated a broad study to examine the worldwide mission of POW/MIA
personnel recovery and accounting."

"The Department of Defense is charged by law with responsibility for
policy
and oversight of the full range of recovery activity, from pre-combat
training, to combat search and rescue to remains recovery.  In light of
the
evolving missions of the Department of Defense, this effort will help
ensure
that the most effective use possible is made of DoD resources."

"The analysis, called the Mission Area Analysis (MAA), is to help
implement
the best use of money, resources and technology across the wide range of
DoD's responsibilities in personnel recovery and accounting."   [Our
comment
: this means JTF-FA.]

"It will examine the entire range of personnel recovery, to include
diplomatic, military, and other means of recovering isolated personnel.
The
examination will address recovery operations throughout the spectrum of
conflict from small-scale contingencies to major theater war and
peacetime
operations, both at a tactical and strategic level."

"The study will analyze the forces dedicated to personnel recovery as
well
as the structure of the organizations which carry out this mission."

"It will identify deficiencies and pinpoint where any changes are
necessary
in doctrine, policy, organization or technology.  Interagency
coordination
(between the military and other branches of this government, and other
nations) is a critical element of effective planning for personnel
recovery,
and the MAA will examine all aspects of this coordination process."

"In the area of personnel accounting and remains recovery the MAA will
analyze all facets of this mission from operational activities to
diplomatic
effort to achieve the fullest possible accounting of past and future
unaccounted-for Americans."

"It will look closely at the missions and structure and budgets of the
Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office; the U.S. Army Central
Identification
Laboratory Hawaii; the U.S. Army Casualty and Memorial Affairs
Operations
Center; the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory; the U.S. Air
Force
Life Sciences Equipment Laboratory; and the Joint Task Force-Full
Accounting
; and highlight areas where the Department can most effectively employ
its
resources to better accomplish the mission."

"The study began in late 1999 and is scheduled for completion in late
2000."
##

It is our opinion that this 

[CTRL] Chief House Impeachment Prober Endorses Keyes for President

2000-01-30 Thread Bill Richer

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!


 A HREF="http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/1/30/101249"New
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http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/1/30/101249

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...

Sunday January 30, 2000; 11:18 AM

Chief House Impeachment Prober Endorses Keyes for President

BEDFORD, N.H., Jan. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- Today Ambassador Alan Keyes,
Republican candidate for President, received the endorsement of David
Schippers, former lead council for the House Judiciary Committee's
investigation and impeachment of President Bill Clinton. The following is
Schippers statement to the public:

``I believe with all my soul that our Fathers, who were not timid men, in
founding this Republic assumed two principles as fundamental: 1) There is a
norm by which are judged the acts and omissions of public officials; 2) No
one is fit to lead a free people who does not possess unquestioned honor,
integrity and courage.

``Unfortunately, while in Washington I observed these principles ignored or
turned upside down. Duty has been corrupted into 'what can you do for me,'
truth into 'what can I make them believe,' and honesty into 'what can I get
away with.' Win at any cost is the battle cry, and the standard is the end
justifies the means, honorable or dishonorable.

``If the presidency mirrors the morality of the people, then we are losing
our soul as a nation. I do not believe this administration is a paradigm of
America. I believe that the people are just as honest, just as decent and
just as God-fearing as they were two hundred years ago.

``We will not regain our national dignity, however, merely by having a strong
economy or by adding more and more material luxuries and then flaunting them.

``There are many fine members in the Congress. I encountered selflessness and
patriotism in Henry Hyde and the other Republican members of the House
Judiciary Committee. And the raw courage of the thirteen House Managers
should serve as an outstanding example for everyone in politics. The seed has
been planted and needs only to be cultivated.

``A leader is needed. One who can inspire both Congress and the people. One
who possesses the honesty to say exactly what he thinks, the integrity to
stick by his code regardless of the consequences, and the courage to face
down the enemies of the Republic, foreign and domestic.

``I have followed the campaign in Iowa and here in New Hampshire. I have
watched and listened to all the candidates. There are many good and decent
men seeking the office of President of the United States. There is, however,
only one who will be able to lead this country back to the status of Moral
Leader of the World that it once enjoyed. And once that goal is achieved all
else will follow. That man is Alan Keyes.

``I therefore, enthusiastically and unqualifiedly endorse Ambassador Alan
Keyes for the office of President of the United States. In the words of John
Peter Altgeld, another man of honor, integrity and courage: 'I have no
choice; it is the right thing to do.'''





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Re: [CTRL] TRUE STORY NOT A JOKE

2000-01-30 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/29/00 8:29:54 PM Central Standard Time,
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 This is NOT a joke.  It is a retelling of an actual event in an African
church l5 or so years ago.  And their statement was "we wanted to be with
real Christians". 

Uh huh...
It's "urban legend"...and you're buying into it...

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] TRUE STORY NOT A JOKE

2000-01-30 Thread Foxter




You are wrong.
I heard it from people 
involved. 




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  actual event in an Africanchurch l5 or so years ago. And their 
  statement was "we wanted to be withreal Christians". Uh 
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[CTRL] Vows Taken Seriously?

2000-01-30 Thread William Shannon

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Paper reports hundreds of priests have died of AIDS
Copyright © 2000 Nando Media


KANSAS CITY, Mo. (January 30, 2000 1:39 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -
AIDS has quietly caused the deaths of hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in
the United States although other causes may be listed on some of their death
certificates, The Kansas City Star reported in its Sunday editions.

In the first of a three-part series, the newspaper reported that its
examination of death certificates and interviews with experts indicated
several hundred priests had died of AIDS-related illnesses since the
mid-1980s and hundreds more are living with HIV, the virus that causes the
disease. The death rate of priests from AIDS is at least four times that of
the general population, the newspaper said.

Church leaders in the United States and at the Vatican declined requests to
discuss the findings, the Star said. The Vatican referred questions to local
bishops.

Bishop Raymond J. Boland of the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, said the
AIDS deaths show that priests are human. "Much as we would regret it, it
shows that human nature is human nature," Boland said.

The Star sent confidential questionnaires to 3,000 of the 46,000 priests in
the United States last fall, asking about AIDS and other issues, and received
responses from 801 priests, a 27 percent return rate.

Six of 10 priests responding said they knew of at least one priest who had
died of an AIDS-related illness and one-third knew a priest living with AIDS.
Three-fourths said the church needed to provide more education to seminarians
on sexual issues. Asked about their sexual orientation, 75 percent said they
were heterosexual, 15 percent said they were homosexual and 5 percent said
they were bisexual.

The Star said exact numbers of priests who have died of AIDS or become
infected with HIV is unknown, partly because many suffer in solitude. When
priests tell their superiors, the cases generally are handled quietly.

The newspaper cited the case of Bishop Emerson J. Moore, who left the
Archdiocese of New York in 1995 and went to Minnesota, where he died in a
hospice of an AIDS-related illness. His death certificate attributed the
death to "unknown natural causes" and listed his occupation as "laborer" in
the manufacturing industry.

After an AIDS activist filed a complaint, officials changed the cause of
death to "HIV-related illness," the newspaper reported, but the occupation
was not corrected.

Farley Cleghorn, an epidemiologist with the Institute of Human Virology in
Baltimore, said he has treated about 20 priests and religious-order brothers
with AIDS, all of whom had kept it a secret.

"The church and religious orders need to acknowledge that there is a problem
- that priests have sex and they are susceptible to all sexually transmitted
diseases, including AIDS," he said.

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Re: [CTRL] TRUE STORY NOT A JOKE

2000-01-30 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/30/00 12:22:48 PM Central Standard Time,
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 You are wrong.
 I heard it from people involved.   

I know, I know...a friend of a friend right??

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] You Can Trust the Communists....

2000-01-30 Thread Michael Pugliese

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And you can trust some anti-communists to be nutty. The Schwarz is
simplified Tragedy and Hope by Bill Clinton mentor, at Georgetown, Carroll
Quigley.
The None Dare Call It Conspiracy book is by Gary Allen, who Reagan told to ,
"Shut Up!, " when he won a GOP primary in California and was invited with
other GOP candidates.
None Dare Care It Treason was answered by a liberal dupe with the waggish
title None Dare Call It Reason.
Michael Pugliese
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Subject: Re: You Can Trust the Communists


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 Tsadowq wrote:
 Dr. Fred
  Schwartz warned of in 1962: You can trust the
  Communiststo be Communists.

 Yes,  this is an excellent expose` and a small book written in 1962,  as
you
 noted, that is cram packed with valuable information;  especially to those
 who do not seem to believe that "Communism" exists or ever did exist...
 Another book to follow this one is called...
 "None Dare Call It Conspiracy",
 which I am at a loss at the moment to draw up the author's name,
 (and my copy is on loan).

 Tsadowq commented:
 if the Communists are to succeed.

 It is not a matter of  "IF"...  the Communists are to succeed   as much
as
 the fact that they have succeeded in destroying all that has made
capitalism
 and the USA a super power in the world.

 Politcally, for example, the traditional family bond has been broken;
there
 are more divorces and single family homes in the USA today than ever
before,
 as the courts continue to adopt laws that make it 'easy' to get a divorce
 and leave untold thousands of children without two parents and many
without
 support. Another political fallacy is that there is a "war on drugs".  The
 only war that exists in this category is the one the gov 't has created to
 make us believe there is this ongoing internal war.  *IF*  this country
had
 really wanted to do something about what is perceived as a "drug" problem
 among the populace,  it would have been quashed back in the days of the
 psychedelic era or before.  This country is not so weak that it could not
 have handled this problem among it's citizens long ago.  This country's
 hired propa-ganders want us to believe that there is a drug war and in
 continuum, keeps the lie going...  to the point of providing the scenario
to
 appear that it is true.  Notice, we have the "war on drugs",  the "war on
 poverty",  the "war on mental illness", "war on guns",  etc., etc.  There
 are so many internal specified wars going on that it's a wonder that the
 Administration of this country can even think straight...  And,  there is
so
 much talk of "peace, peace" to resolve all these  internal "wars" within
 this country,  muchless in foreign councils.

 Economically,  for example,  OPEC countries are aided by Communists to
 flourish or demand higher barrel prices which are handed down to the
 consumer at the pump...  we all know this from the past few weeks of
rising
 gasoline prices,  and previous stats that can prove out the rising prices
 during the processes of certain world issues.  Stocks are driven up or
down
 with investments funded by those of this Communistic mindset to keep our
 heads spinning in confusion.

 Educationally...  well we all know that the NEA is infamous the past
thirty
 years for their agenda to 'dumb down'  it's students.  Scholastically
 speaking,  the national ACT scores are lower than they've ever been.  The
 national TPE (Teacher's Proficiency Exams) are lower than they've ever
 been...  and the government wants to pay teachers more(!)  (For what?
 Ignorance and lack of ability to teach...?)  Proof again,  that children
are
 not being taught what the system ultimately demands;  a contrary set of
 standards.  No wonder kids come out of high school dazed and confused.

 Religiously...  there has never been more division among religious beliefs
 than there are now.  All the way from atheism to Judaism to Catholicism,
to
 Christianity.  The defining lines are drawn more clearly day by day...

 In 1958,  Nikita Kruchev and other comrads of the same 'ilk' set an agenda
 to destroy the US from the inside out.  Nearly all 38 tenents of that
agenda
 have been accomplished by those who call themselves "liberals" ...  in the
 name of peace and justice.

 It's only a matter of time,  before the liberal realizes that the empire
 he's built has been built on slippery sand and not on solid rock.

 eagle 1


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[CTRL] Who can write a better story than The Greatest Story Ever Told?

2000-01-30 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Here we are on a planet, lost in time and space. In just a two-hour read, a
Gospel Story gives the best set of "cosmological co-ordinates" ever written.
However, you claim to be privy to a greater story of truth. I made the offer
to you a long time ago that I would place the Gospel of Rasmus on one of my
web sites free of charge (and even do the html). If you were anything but
the atheist liar I accuse you of being you would leap at the opportunity.
And I make the same offer to anyone else. It is YOUR mental prowess as well
as your "character" which is in question, not mine. And whatever Henry had
between his ears froze in an Alaskan blizzard long ago.
FWP.

http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm

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 Rasmus, the atheist and liar strikes again.
 FWP.

I thought judgement of people on the merits of whether or not their
philosophies agreed with their own was reserved for people exhibiting less
intelligence than yours, or have I been wrong about your mental prowess
Franklin?

Sincerely
Rasmus

 
  Christ said "I came to tell the truth" and He also claimed to be truth
  personified, ie "I am the way, the truth and the life". Who then can
be
  trusted today to tell us about a "Culture of Truth"? Southern Baptist
  Theological Seminary? Liberty U? TWU? The "Christy Critters" of
Canada?
  Other? Should we rely on the Anti-Christ Jews of Israel or the
Pro-Christ
  Jews of Israel ("Jews for Jesus" etc.) to answer this tough question?
  FWP.
 
 
 It is a non question!
 There exist no information about any Jesus which can be substantiated
thus
 anyone who claims to know exactly what he did or did not state is
indulging
 in wishful thinking.
 
 The whole thing makes no more sense than a person going to
 http://www.usellnbid.com/AuctionScripts/ReferAFriend.idc?code=31202
 and registering to get his three free shares and then counting on an
early
 retirement.
 
 Let us ceep fantasy out of religion to prevent being overwhelmed by the
 fanatics.
 
 Sincerely
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[CTRL] Hitler's Watery Grave

2000-01-30 Thread William Shannon

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Hitler's watery grave
FROM ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN
ONE of the last great mysteries of the Second World War - Hitler's final
resting place - was solved yesterday.

Top-secret files declassified in Russia reveal his ashes were scattered in a
river in the East German hamlet of Biedernitz in 1970 on Soviet leader Leonid
Breznhev's orders.

Remains of Hitler's bride, Eva Braun, Third Reich propaganda chief Josef
Goebbels, his wife Magda and their six children were also dumped in the river
near Magdeburg The documents reveal how Russia's leaders from Stalin to
Brezhnev went to extraordinary lengths to make Hitler's resting place one of
the Cold War's most tightly kept secrets.

After their suicides in the Nazi dictator's Berlin bunker as the Russians
took the city, the bodies were twice burned and buried, and exhumed three
times over the next 25 years as Soviet intelligence fought to keep their
whereabouts a secret.

On April 30 1945, just hours after marrying Braun, Hitler killed his dog and
then his bride before shooting himself in the mouth. The entire Goebbels
family killed themselves with cyanide.

Five days later, soldiers from Russia's 3rd Shock Army broke into the
chancellery and discovered the bodies in two shell holes where Hitler's
secretary Martin Bormann had piled them.

On May 6, the 3rd Shock Army had to hand over command of the bunker but
secret service Smersh operatives attached to it were unwilling to give up
such glittering war trophies and moved the half-burned corpses by truck to
Buch near Berlin.

A pathologist there wrote to KGB chief Lavrenti Beria: "In the mouth of the
corpses I found glass pieces, pieces of wall and of the floor corresponding
to material in the bunker. There was a strong smell of bitter almonds, the
smell of cyanide which killed them. There can be no doubt about it that this
is the corpse of Adolf Hitler." The 3rd Shock Army were again moved in summer
1945. Again, Smersh officers moved the bodies, this time to Rathenow, 60
miles from Berlin where they disguised new graves with "freshly planted pine
trees".

On January 13 1946, the corpses were dug up again to substantiate the rumour
that Hitler shot himself and part of his skull was sent to Stalin in Moscow.
The bodies were moved again to Magdeburg, East Germany, and buried in wooden
munitions boxes.

But after 24 years in 1970, foreign minister Kosygin warned Breznhev that the
Red Army garrison town was about to be turned over to East Germany. "Building
and earthmoving work could lead to the discovery of the graves," he wrote. "I
recommend they be removed and burned under the greatest conspiratorial
secrecy."

On April 4 1970, three KGB operatives in gas masks exhumed the boxes. They
saw bones and a pair of gold teeth, believed to have come from Magda
Goebbels' mouth. The remains were doused in petrol and thoroughly
burned.Pretending to go fishing, KGB men tipped the ashes into the Ehle at
Biederlitz. Only Hitler's piece of skull in Moscow remains as testimony to
his murderous impact on Earth.
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[CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON LANDINGS

2000-01-30 Thread William Shannon

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http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/94/moon.html

THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON LANDINGS

The idea that we went to the Moon - and that we were successful in our Apollo
endeavours - is so firmly embedded in the cultural lives of most people on
this planet, that to voice the opinion that this might be untrue smacks of
paranoia and to present evidence for these doubts smacks of heresy. If this
opinion is correct, then the majority of us have been conned; that, we've
been taken for a ride that has lasted 27 years. A ride that's been generating
its own momentum and most of us are still on it! Throughout aviation history
and space exploration, the prime and lasting record of our achievements has
been preserved as photographic images, movie film and in recent times,
television coverage. We are in no doubt that these records reflect the actual
events as they occurred, disasters and triumphs included. Particularly in the
exploration of space - and going to the Moon is a perfect example in which
there are no independent witnesses to the actual events- we have the right to
expect the record to be genuine, honestly portrayed, and responsibly
reported. In actual fact, mankind has no proof at all that we ever set foot
on the Moon, other than the photographs that NASA has elected to publish. In
this article, David Percy, an award winning film and TV producer, 'focuses'
on some of these images, formulating the kind of brief that might have been
given to the first lunar surface photographers to produce such questionable
images. While such matters as the alleged Moon rocks are important, if the
Apollo photos are faked, then they and everything else will find its own
place in this NASA jigsaw.




We are now waking up to the possibility that NASA's photographic coverage of
the landings on the Moon between 1969 and 1972 may not be genuine - this
includes both the film and the TV broadcasts. Following detailed photographic
analysis of NASA images, I have gained compelling evidence that there was
indeed a falsification of the record and although NASA might seek to justify
its actions, there can be no acceptable defence for such dishonesty. Those
whom I call 'Whistle-Blowers' appear to have encoded the information needed
to discover this sad truth. Their information is found in the photography, in
the processing and in the final compositing and retouching. I have organised
my discoveries under the headings of a series of photographic rules.

Photo rule No 1:

Light travels in straight, parallel lines at any given moment. Shadow
directions are constant because the light comes from the sun over 90 million
miles away.

Take a look at photo 1, typical tree shadows. Notice the virtual parallel
lines of shadow - and the shadow side of the trees is dark. No detail. This
is not surprising.


Now compare with the panoramic shot, photo 2, supposedly taken on the Moon,
you can work out where the sources of light are! ... Not very far away! These
shadows are not parallel.


In photo 3 they converge to a point on the alleged lunar surface. This is an
impossible situation in natural sunlight. Also notice that the shadow side
isn't dark and the shaded side of the gold visor reflects a bright source of
light. Very surprising! Daytime on the lunar surface lasts for a period of 14
'Earth' days, but in the NASA images, shadow lengths vary within the time
frame (a few hours or days) of the alleged mission. Shadow lengths are at
odds with the sun angles at the time of the supposed trip.


For example, during 'Apollo 11' the sun was at 10 degrees above the horizon
but the pictures depict 30 degrees or so! See photo 4. Is this a mistake, or
a Whistle-Blower's clue? Varying shadow lengths within any given picture or
TV scene imply more than one light source, sometimes positioned at different
heights! Clearly, if a picture is genuine, it's not possible to have
variations in shadow direction within any one picture.


The shadows in photo 5 are all over the place.




Again in photo 6, there are more shadow 'problems' with the rocks. Long
shadows, short shadows, grey shadows, dark shadows, some filled-in, some not
filled-in - real Whistle-Blowing!


The TV image, photo 7, is another example of differential shadow lengths.
Additionally, there is visual evidence of the use of a large, very near,
ARTIFICIAL source of light.


The TV image, photo 8, shows a reflection of a light source occupying
approximately 25% of the convex visor. This, in my view, indicates the use of
a super-light of an incredible size, positioned extremely close to the action.

Photo rule No 2:

Light in a vacuum is high contrast - ie. very bright on the sun side, very
dark on the shadow side - and on the Moon there is no atmosphere to help
fill-in or soften/lighten the shadows. Consider 'Apollo 16'.


In photo 9, you see the shadow area of an 'astronaut' filed-in, indicating
the deployment of reflectors (not seen in the TV 

[CTRL] Henry: It is neither the Pharisee nor the Saducee camp that I am in. See Mt. 1:6.

2000-01-30 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley






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better story than The Greatest Story Ever 
Told?
Remarkable! It would appear 
that Rabbi Franklin isnow in the Christian camp! Does this represent 
anupward - or retrograde - spiritual movement onhis part? The 
problem is that some trenchant typesare tired of stories, the greatest 
ever told, the greatest ever sold, or whatever. Perhaps 
oneuncovers something much more edifying if ALLthe stories are swept 
away and we get a peekbehind the ornamented curtains... H. 
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Greatest Story Ever Told?Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 9:41 
AMHere we are on a planet, lost in time and space. In just a 
two-hour read, aGospel Story gives the best set of cosmological 
co-ordinates ever written.However, you claim to be privy to a 
greater story of truth. I made the offerto you a long time ago that I 
would place the Gospel of Rasmus on one of myweb sites free of charge 
(and even do the html). If you were anything butthe atheist liar I 
accuse you of being you would leap at the opportunity.And I make the 
same offer to anyone else. It is YOUR mental prowess as wellas your 
character which is in question, not mine. And whatever Henry 
hadbetween his ears froze in an Alaskan blizzard long 
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Re: [ChristianPatriot] Truth is a Mental 
Illness Rasmus, the atheist and liar strikes 
again. FWP.I thought judgement of people on 
the merits of whether or not theirphilosophies agreed with their own 
was reserved for people exhibiting lessintelligence than yours, or 
have I been wrong about your mental 
prowessFranklin?SincerelyRasmus 
  Christ said I came to tell the truth 
and He also claimed to be truth  personified, ie I 
am the way, the 

[CTRL] The Gospel of Rasmus.

2000-01-30 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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"And lo' Rasmus the atheist idiot waxed eloquent and saith, Bless you my
little photon".
-I Rasmus 7:11

"I am. Therefore I am a photon...or maybe a turnip."
-I Rasmus 6:66

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Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Who can write a better story than "The Greatest Story Ever
Told"?



 Here we are on a planet, lost in time and space. In just a two-hour read,
a
 Gospel Story gives the best set of "cosmological co-ordinates" ever
written.
 However, you claim to be privy to a greater story of truth. I made the
offer
 to you a long time ago that I would place the Gospel of Rasmus on one of
my
 web sites free of charge (and even do the html). If you were anything but
 the atheist liar I accuse you of being you would leap at the opportunity.
 And I make the same offer to anyone else. It is YOUR mental prowess as
well
 as your "character" which is in question, not mine. And whatever Henry
had
 between his ears froze in an Alaskan blizzard long ago.
 FWP.

Hi Franklin;
Most of what I have written, including a book is to be found at
http://sites.netscape.net/rgjesdalusa/homepage

As for leaping at the opportunity of having a better explanation published,
nah, I do not have the time to devote to writing it all down in language
readily understood. I am not rich, I have to work for a living which takes
up to much of my time.
In a nutshell, most of the material is allready available, Descartes stated
"I think therefore I am". He died at a premature age and did not get to
define "I".
The "I" in material such as the gospel of Johannes, the Gnostic material,
Egyptian and other is defined as light.
Light is defined in the theory of relativity, e=mc^2, which can be
transposed into c= Sq root of e/m
This defines the dualistic existance proposed by Descartes and others.
Since we then are c, or light, this is the viewpoint from which we
perceive.
Thus c=0 and the material universe is measured at 3*10^8mps in relation to
us!
The supposed deity in the bible could not have created the physical
universe
from within the physical universe so to use this as a measuring point for
anything is invalid.
We who perceive are not hampered by matter, energy, space and time as
perceived within the physical universe either as we readily recall the past
and envision the future so it does not apply to us either.
The fact that no biblical tale can be substantiated is enough evidence for
any thinking person that if he puts all his faith in this "Greatest story
ever told", being the assurance for immortality, he is about as logical as
the person who goes to the web site I mentioned below and counts on the
three free shares he gets in this company will assure his early retirement.

By the way, the above computation also indicates the fact that we are
immortal!!

Sincerely,
The truth exposer Rasmus



 http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm

 Subject: Re: [ChristianPatriot] "Truth" is a Mental Illness


 
  Rasmus, the atheist and liar strikes again.
  FWP.
 
 I thought judgement of people on the merits of whether or not their
 philosophies agreed with their own was reserved for people exhibiting
less
 intelligence than yours, or have I been wrong about your mental prowess
 Franklin?
 
 Sincerely
 Rasmus
 
  
   Christ said "I came to tell the truth" and He also claimed to be
truth
   personified, ie "I am the way, the truth and the life". Who then
can
 be
   trusted today to tell us about a "Culture of Truth"? Southern
Baptist
   Theological Seminary? Liberty U? TWU? The "Christy Critters" of
 Canada?
   Other? Should we rely on the Anti-Christ Jews of Israel or the
 Pro-Christ
   Jews of Israel ("Jews for Jesus" etc.) to answer this tough
question?
   FWP.
  
  
  It is a non question!
  There exist no information about any Jesus which can be substantiated
 thus
  anyone who claims to know exactly what he did or did not state is
 indulging
  in 

[CTRL] Did We Go To The Moon Debate 1/2

2000-01-30 Thread Gavin Phillips

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Hello Ed (Pellow). Thanks for your reply. I've inserted my answers and
further info below. Most of the answers I have duplicated in my reply to
Brian Thorn and Mike Dworetsky.

 Gavin,

 Thanks for your message.

 Having looked into this area, the 'research' of Kaysing, Percy and others is
 highly flawed and littered with errors.

 The recognised method of advancing scientific knowledge is to undertake
 reset and publish the results in an academic journal. Any assumptions made
 and any information used is well referenced to previously published works so
 that any reader
 can check it. From this point any inconsistencies or errors in conclusion
 can be openly debated and hence knowledge be moved forward.

This is correct Ed with subjects that are not as highly controversial as
questioning the validity of the Apollo missions. I have e-mailed the same
message that I sent to you to at least 20 or so physicists/astronomers at
various Colleges/University's across the US and so far have received only 1
"answer", in which he didn't answer any questions, he just blew the whole
thing off. Scientists are for the most part extremely conservative and rely
on government funding for their research and salaries, so they have a lot
invested in the prevailing status quo, not to mention peer pressure. I doubt
if you would ever find a respected scientific journal to publish anything
questioning the validity of the Apollo missions, no matter how legitimate the
questions are (afterwhich the journal would lose all credibility). That is
one of the major problems when investigating this type of thing, very few
people are willing to go on record even if they have doubts. I have very
little faith in the integrity of mainstream scientists (and less in the
mainstream media, in America at least) to honestly investigate subjects which
are considered scientific "sacred cows."



Ed Pellow says;

 I've not read the Ralph Rene book or seen the James Collier video so I can't
 comment directly on them. I have however read Percy's book 'Dark Moon' and
 seen a lot of Kaysing material on the web. This material is abysmally
 referenced. Both sources continually refer to 'data published in 1996' or
 'geological expert Fred Bloggs' without giving anything but the vaguest (if
 any)reference to where the source material comes from. This alone makes me
 question the validity of their conclusions.

 You mention that David Percy is 'award winning' So? We're not told what
 award. Maybe he passed an exam in school This is perhaps a silly
 example, but I found from reading his book that most of the sources are
 dressed up in this way as to improve their perceived validity.

 Anyhow, on to your specific points:

  Jim Collier went to a lot of trouble taking measurements of the module
 they
  supposedly went in and came to a valid conclusion that, with all their
 bulky
  breathing apparatus, they wouldn't have been able to get in and out of the
  LM. The craft in the museum was different to the craft shown in supposedly
  live B/W footage of the craft, and the pilots floating in and out of the
  hatch. The hatch is obviously wider and the rivets are different.

 If the craft that Jim Collier measured was obviously different to the craft
 shown on the live footage - what validity do his measurements have? The fact
 that photos and footage exist of the astronauts existing the hatch shows
 that the hatch was wide enough. I don't quite understand your point here.


Gavin:
My point is that Jim went to the Washington Space museum to get measurements
and videotape of an actual LM-2 on display (see below). In live NASA footage
Jim shows on his video, James Lovell floats through the connecting tunnel
from the CM to the LM. He has plenty of room and he goes down about 6 ft into
the LM. In the LM in the Washington Space museum, there is a bell type metal
object sticking up which would not allow the astronaut to come down 6 ft, he
could only come down about 3 ft. In the NASA footage the bell is nonexistent.
Jim says the tunnel on the LM is 27 inches across, but they only have 24
inches of clearance because of a latch (latches, we see one) for connecting
to the droge (SP) which sticks out about 3 inches. It would be a very tight
squeeze for a suited astronaut.  The hatch on the LM opens from the left. In
the footage it is hinged on the rear. His point is that the "live" footage is
being shot in a simulator, not the real LM.



A HREF="http://www.nasm.edu/GALLERIES/ATTM/a11.am.lm.1.html"NASM--Apollo to
the Moon--The Apollo Lunar Module/A
APOLLO LUNAR MODULE
"This is an actual lunar module (designation LM-2), one of 12 built for
Apollo. Engineers planned to use this craft in low Earth orbit to test the
techniques of separation, rendezvous, and docking with the command and
service module. The second of two such test vehicles, its orbital mission was
cancelled after a successful flight in an earlier 

[CTRL] Did We Go To The Moon Debate 2/2

2000-01-30 Thread Gavin Phillips

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 7. As I said before, all the photographs , (and there aren't that many
  considering it was such a momentous event) are off. In one famous
 photograph
  you can see one astronaut clearly reflected in the visor of the other
  astronaut. The problem is that the reflected astronaut is turned away, so
 who
  took the photograph? Also, shadows are wrong and lighting angles do not
 match
  up with the only light source, the sun. The dark side of the craft is lit
 up
  like Disneyland; where did that light come from?

Pellow says;

 The questions of the photographs is one which the hoax theorists have put a
 great deal of effort into. There are a lot of questions regarding the so
 called 'anomalies.' I can't answer them all now but if you mail me again
 I'll do by best to answer any specific points.

 In the meantime, to answer your specific points:

 I assume that the 'famous' photograph that you refer to is Armstrong's
 picture of Aldrin? If so then I've no idea why you think that he is looking
 away. He's clearly facing him.

Gavin says;
We are either looking at different photographs or seeing different things in
the same one.
In the video Jim shows the photo, (which he says is famous so I assume it's
the same one) in which the reflection in the visor of one astronaut shows the
other astronaut with no camera, he looks to me as if he's turned to his
right, but the shot isn't as clear on the video tape. The main point is that
the cameras were mounted on their chests so it would be impossible to miss
the black camera.

The anomaly in this photograph is verified by Thomas Brown in Suppressed
Inventions  Other Discoveries. Brown says, page 398, "...The cover photo on
the book (Gavin: "NASA Mooned America") shows two lunar astronauts ( or
astro-nots as Rene' calls them ), one reflecting in the other's visor. The
reflected astronaut is not holding a camera, so who took the picture with
only two [ men ] on the Moon?..."

Jim also points out that the shot was taken from above, shooting downwards,
at a height of about 8 ft. Obviously impossible as both men were on level
ground.

 Pellow says;

As far as the shadows being 'wrong.' I suggest that you look at any
 collection of earth photos: a holiday brochure containing beach photos is a
 good place to start. Use a protractor and see if the shadows are all totally
 parallel.
 A detailed examination of such photos will show non parallel
 inconsistencies. Do you consider these fakes? The moon's surface is far more
 irregular than a beach.

 You will only get totally parallel shadows if you are directly above the
 light source. Otherwise many images will be foreshortened. Notice the fact
 that railway lines join together in the distance.

Gavin says;
In the same book, pg 399, Thomas Brown explains his favorite photographic
(photo is on pg. 400) anomaly taken from Rene's book. Brown says " ...This is
a photo of Armstrong, holding the staff, and Aldrin, holding the flag. While
the two astronauts are basically the same height, the shadow of Armstrong is
about 75 percent the length of Aldrin's. The shadows are not parallel as they
should be, but converge, indicating two sources of light. Rene' used
trigonometry to discover that Aldrin's personal source of illumination is at
26.4 degrees of altitude, while Armstrong's is at 34.9 degrees. The sun was
at 13.5 degrees of altitude on the real Moon, so where were these guys?
Certainly not where we have been led to believe..."


 There was a second light source - the earth. On earth the moon casts enough
 light to read a book on a clear night, and produce distinct shadows. Six
 times as big, the earth provides considerable illumination on the moon.


Gavin says;
Interesting you should mention the earth being six times as big as the moon.
In one shot the earth looks at most the same size as the moon. Jim says this
shot is impossible.



 Regarding the dark sides being lit up - the moon provides a highly
 reflective surface. This is where the lighting of 'dark sides' comes from.
 Known as  'down-Sun' this illumination is known as 'zero phase glare'. In
 terms of 'stage lighting', it is equivalent to placing a large mirror
 down-Sun so as to reflect light back up-Sun. Check out the 'Apollo Lunar
 Surface Journal' at the website of NASA HQ's History Office and see for
 yourself.

Gavin says;

Jim talks about the light source from earth. He still says the dark side, in
some shots, should not be nearly as well lit as they are.





  8. A very important question is one of radiation. Once you get into outer
  space the radiation will kill you very quickly. Russian and American
  scientists in the 60's said the biggest obstacle facing astronauts was
  surviving radiation on the Moon and solar flares. Jim says that they had
 not
  made a space suit which would keep out radiation.

Pellow says;

 Conspiracy theorists say that people couldn't have gone to the Moon, because
 six 

[CTRL] Hoffman Wire: Picket the ADL

2000-01-30 Thread lloyd

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[CTRL] No-knock is latest bad press for Denver police

2000-01-30 Thread Richard Sampson

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http://InsideDenver.com/news/0130mena2.shtml

No-knock is latest bad press for police

 Webb comes to defense of
 troubled department

 By Kevin VaughanDenver Rocky
 Mountain News Staff Writer


 Allegations that
 high-ranking Denver police
 officers tried to pressure a
 subordinate into misleading
 investigators looking into a
 fatal police shooting is the
 latest in a string of black
 eyes for the department.

 In addition to the "no-knock"
 raid that left a man dead, the
 Denver Police Department
 has recently come under fire
 for police using their guns to
 beat suspects after a car
 chase and for hiring a recruit
 who admitted extensive
 drug use.

 Add to that gripes from
 officers who believe
 discipline has been too harsh
 and complaints about the
 tear-gassing of unruly
 students at a college football
 game.

 "The centipede is running
 out of feet, waiting for the
 other shoe to drop," said
 Denver City Councilman Ed
 Thomas, a former police
 officer troubled by the string
 of problems the department
 has faced over the past six
 months.

 Mayor Wellington Webb
 came to the department's
 defense Saturday. He echoed
 Police Chief Tom Sanchez's
 caution that citizens
 shouldn't rush to judgment
 and said the department is
 being more open than ever
 with the public.

 "I've told people that if
 they're going to look for
 someone that's going to beat
 up on the police department, that's not
 going to be me," Webb said. "They are like
 any other department, where if they have
 some people that make a mistake we're not
 going to blame the whole department."

 The latest controversy erupted after a
 veteran officer accused superiors of trying
 to force her to make it appear there was a
 history of trouble at a house where police
 carried out a surprise drug raid Sept. 29. A
 Mexican national died in a shootout with
 police, but questions soon arose about the
 validity of the warrant.

 A special prosecutor is looking into the
 shooting of Ismael Mena, and the results of
 that investigation could be announced as
 early as this week.

 Sanchez called a news
 conference Friday to
 "assure the community
 that you have an excellent
 police department."

 He asked citizens to wait
 until completion of the
 investigation, which he
 said is a top priority.

 "I assure you the
 appropriate action will be
 taken should it be
 determined that either law
 or policy violations have
 occurred," Sanchez said.

 The current string of
 controversies can be
 attributed to three things,
 Webb said.

 In the early and mid-1990s,
 the department stepped up
 efforts to communicate
 with residents following a
 series of gang shootings.
 The result has been a new
 level of openness between
 the department and
 Denver citizens.

 Second, Webb said,
 officials have been "fairly
 open" in talking about
 controversial cases.

 "My standard has been
 that if we do a good job,
 an extraordinary job, like
 what was done on the
 Emily Johnson (murder)
 case, then the police
 department needs to be
 applauded for the
 outstanding police work
 that was done," he said.
 "And if there was a
 mistake that was made,
 and we made it in the
 police department as part
 of the city, then we admit
 it."

 And, Webb said, the 1996
 shooting death of a man
 outside a nightclub by two
 off-duty officers
 intensified outside
 scrutiny of police actions.

 Webb said the Mena
 shooting concerns him
 greatly, adding that the
 

Re: [CTRL] The Gospel of Rasmus.

2000-01-30 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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In the time you say you don't have to write a short, two-hour read on your
great Story of Truth, you are replying to these emails.
FWP.

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Subject: Re: The Gospel of Rasmus.


And lo' Franklin has been reduced to namecalling.
Must be a humbling experience to resort to such childish behaviour when
confronted with a concept he can't grasp.

Sincerely
Rasmus the truth exposer


 "And lo' Rasmus the atheist idiot waxed eloquent and saith, Bless you my
 little photon".
 -I Rasmus 7:11

 "I am. Therefore I am a photon...or maybe a turnip."
 -I Rasmus 6:66

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 Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:21 AM
 Subject: Re: Who can write a better story than "The Greatest Story Ever
 Told"?


 
  Here we are on a planet, lost in time and space. In just a two-hour
read,
 a
  Gospel Story gives the best set of "cosmological co-ordinates" ever
 written.
  However, you claim to be privy to a greater story of truth. I made the
 offer
  to you a long time ago that I would place the Gospel of Rasmus on one
of
 my
  web sites free of charge (and even do the html). If you were anything
but
  the atheist liar I accuse you of being you would leap at the
opportunity.
  And I make the same offer to anyone else. It is YOUR mental prowess as
 well
  as your "character" which is in question, not mine. And whatever Henry
 had
  between his ears froze in an Alaskan blizzard long ago.
  FWP.
 
 Hi Franklin;
 Most of what I have written, including a book is to be found at
 http://sites.netscape.net/rgjesdalusa/homepage
 
 As for leaping at the opportunity of having a better explanation
published,
 nah, I do not have the time to devote to writing it all down in language
 readily understood. I am not rich, I have to work for a living which
takes
 up to much of my time.
 In a nutshell, most of the material is allready available, Descartes
stated
 "I think therefore I am". He died at a premature age and did not get to
 define "I".
 The "I" in material such as the gospel of Johannes, the Gnostic
material,
 Egyptian and other is defined as light.
 Light is defined in the theory of relativity, e=mc^2, which can be
 transposed into c= Sq root of e/m
 This defines the dualistic existance proposed by Descartes and others.
 Since we then are c, or light, this is the viewpoint from which we
 perceive.
 Thus c=0 and the material universe is measured at 3*10^8mps in relation
to
 us!
 The supposed deity in the bible could not have created the physical
 universe
 from within the physical universe so to use this as a measuring point
for
 anything is invalid.
 We who perceive are not hampered by matter, energy, space and time as
 perceived within the physical universe either as we readily recall the
past
 and envision the future so it does not apply to us either.
 The fact that no biblical tale can be substantiated is enough evidence
for
 any 

[CTRL] (No Subject)

2000-01-30 Thread Mick Poirier

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Hello;
New to this list, here's my introduction:

Profession: Systems Analyst in administrative computer systems;
Artist, writer, naturalist;
Target of electro-assault technologies;
Reside in nation's capital area (Ottawa, Canada).

Research subject: the computerized communications used by the various perpetrators: to 
define it and to use it to identify the "who", the "what", the "how" and the "where" 
(locate equipment and operations centers being used).

my reports are uploaded to my web-site:


  computerized communications:  http://www.storm.ca/~mcpoirier/dbase.htm

 biotech assaults:  http://www.storm.ca/~mcpoirier/dissed.htm

weather uses of the equipment:  http://www.storm.ca/~mcpoirier/dweather.htm

  self-protective actions:  http://www.storm.ca/~mcpoirier/actions.htm

 preliminary report  updates:  http://www.storm.ca/~mcpoirier/Laser.htm


Comments and questions are welcomed.

Mick




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[CTRL] HAARP-Begich SuperBowl Sunday at 10PM ET-

2000-01-30 Thread DIG alfred webre

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Another type of Superbowl...

Alfred:


Hear Dr. Nick Begich speaking about his new book, Earth Rising - The
Revolution, Toward a Thousand Years of Peace, on the Tom Valentine Show,
Sunday, Jan. 30 at 10PM Eastern time. Talk to you then!!!


Yours,


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Re: [CTRL] Child Protection Newsletter

2000-01-30 Thread Smart News

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Hi !

Below please find information about a newsletter with info. about abuse, etc.
The winter '93 issue has info on DID/RA.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

Our listing these resources does not necessarily constitute our endorsement
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These newsletters may be triggering for survivors of abuse.


from: http://cep.jmu.edu/graysojh/vcpn_form.htm

Virginia Child Protection Newsletter

Back Issue Order Form  --  Free Publications

Please check the issues that you want to receive, and complete the name and
address information requested at the bottom of the form.

Issue#; Month/Year; Title of Article


 55.  Spring, 1999; Decision Making in Child Protective Services, Update:
Virginia's Multiple Response System

 54.  Fall, 1998; Chronic Child Neglect, Failure to Thrive

 53.  Spring, 1998; Substance Abuse  Child Maltreatment, Substance Abuse
Prevention

 52.  Fall, 1997; Prevention Programs/Healthy Families Teen Pregnancy
Prevention

 51.  Summer, 1997; Multiple Response Systems for CPS

 50.  Winter, 1996; Treatment Outcome for Spouses Who Batter

 49.  Fall, 1996; Computer Technology for Child Welfare Services

 48.  Summer, 1996; Treatment Outcome for Children, Treatment Outcome for
Sexual Offenders

 47.  Winter, 1995; Treatment Outcomes, Part II

 46.  Fall, 1995; Fatality Review Teams/Treatment Outcomes, Part I

 45.  Summer, 1995; Medical Management of Abuse and Neglect

 44.  Winter, 1994; Police-Social Work Investigation Teams and Investigation
Techniques

 43.  Fall, 1994; Child Witness

 42.  Summer, 1994; Youth/Violence/Children Who Kill

 41.  Winter, 1993; Multiple Personality Disorder in Children, Cult Abuse,
Ritual Abuse

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[CTRL] Fw: [sn-vesti 747] PRESS RELEASE: Former Canadian diplomat snubbed by Canadian Embassy (00.01.28)

2000-01-30 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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PRESS RELEASE


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, January 27, 2000

Former Canadian diplomat snubbed by Canadian Embassy

Mr. James Bissett, former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and
Albania (1990-1992), while paying a courtesy visit to the Canadian Embassy
in Belgrade, was informed by an Embassy staffer that no one is allowed to
speak with him. The staffer said the gag order came from the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs in Ottawa.

Mr. Bissett is in Belgrade at the invitation of the Association of Serbian
Writers to participate in a conference called "Serbia and the West". The
Association of Serbian Writers is not affiliated with the Yugoslav
governmental in any way.

At the end of his visit to Belgrade, on January 25, 2000, Mr. Bissett, a
career diplomat, wanted to pay a courtesy call to the Canadian Embassy in
Belgrade, something he had done each time he was abroad. When informed that
no one would speak to him, a dismayed Mr. Bissett turned around and left
the
building.

One could speculate that Mr. Bissett is being blacklisted by External
Affairs, his former employer, for his opposition to Canada's participation
in NATO's air assault on the FR of Yugoslavia. Mr. Bissett's January 10th
column in the Globe and Mail, "The tragic blunder in Kosovo," certainly did
nothing to endear him to Mssrs. Chretien and Axworthy.

Foreign Minister Axworthy is noted for his espousal of Canadian ideals
abroad: democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and
multi-ethnicity. The scandalous treatment of Mr. Bissett, a proud Canadian,
puts in question Mr. Axworthy's propagations.

---

For additional information please contact Mr. Lloyd Axworthy at (613)
995-1851 or the Canadian Embassy in Belgrade at 011-381-11-644-666.
Secretary General
Mrs. Jela Jovanovic
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[CTRL] ALIEN INTRUDERS ?

2000-01-30 Thread earthman


This article was in this mornings NZ Herald. Accompanying this picture was a
larger one of "Green MP, Rod Donald, taking part in the annual protest
outside the Waihopai eavesdropping base".Behind two sets of barbed wire
fences with spiked gates is a casual gathering of  police. A small American
flag is draped over the  bars of the outer gate. A telling picture pity
it wasn't in colour.

Peter
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=114842


ALIEN INTRUDERS: The science-fiction domes of Waihopai cover the "ears" of
the electronic spying operation. HERALD FILE PICTURE

Electronic ears that never sleep

31.01.2000 - By SIMON HENDERY
In the blend-into-the-background realm of international spying, it is an
ironically distinctive structure.

The Waihopai satellite tapping station sticks out like a sore thumb - or,
rather, the world's largest ping-pong balls - on sun-soaked farmland in a
remote Marlborough valley.

Since it opened in 1989, Waihopai has been a magnet for peace activists who
condemn New Zealand's involvement in a covert international
intelligence-gathering network.

Every January, as they have done for more than a decade, the New Zealand
Anti-Bases Campaign rallied outside the electric perimeter fence to denounce
Government-sanctioned eavesdropping and demand the base's closure.

Among this year's protesters were Rod Donald and Keith Locke. The two Green
MPs called for an inquiry into the base they say invades the privacy of
average New Zealanders.

Do they have a point? Is Waihopai the spherical incarnation of George
Orwell's Big Brother, or a legitimate tool in the Free World's fight for
survival?

What happens at Waihopai?

A team of about three dozen technical, security and administrative staff
work round-the-clock shifts monitoring telephone, fax and e-mail
transmissions that are bounced across the globe via communication satellites
above the Pacific.

The vast amount of intercepted data is decoded and trawled for titbits of
security and diplomatic information.

Anything of interest is reported to the highest levels of the New Zealand
Government, and passed to our allies overseas.

Why the ping-pong ball look?

The eye-catching 30m-high spherical "radomes" beside the base's more drab
single-level operations building cover 18m-diameter satellite receiving
dishes - the "ears" of the operation.

Hiding the dishes under the radomes means curious onlookers are unable to
tell which of the 70-odd Pacific satellites is being targeted for
eavesdropping.

How is information collected?

Peace activist and author Nicky Hager has spent 15 years researching
espionage networks.

In his 1996 tell-all book Secret Power he says Waihopai "is to eavesdropping
what a huge pulp and paper mill is to papermaking ... It is industrial-scale
spying, using high-tech equipment and automation to handle the immense
throughput of intercepted communications."

Hager says the Waihopai computers dredge the satellite feeds looking for
messages containing key words and numbers selected by spy chiefs as most
likely to appear in sensitive communications.

Who, outside the Government, has access to Waihopai information?

Waihopai and the Tangimoana radio interception base southwest of Sanson are
run by New Zealand's largest intelligence agency, the Government
Communications Security Bureau (GCSB).

The bases are part of the global Echelon spy network established under the
1948 UKUSA security pact to which Britain, the United States, Australia,
Canada and New Zealand were signatories.

Under Echelon, New Zealand passes on information intercepted at its spy
bases to the other countries.

The GCSB also uses information gleaned from Waihopai to prepare intelligence
reports for the UKUSA alliance on a number of Pacific Island nations.

What does New Zealand gain by passing

this information on?

In return for its involvement in the spy network, New Zealand is given
access to information gathered at other Echelon bases.

But Hager believes New Zealand is not aware of exactly what information is
being extracted from Waihopai by our allies. He says what they receive could
be used in ways contrary to our best interests.

Is electronic eavesdropping an effective intelligence-gathering tool?

Hager points out two major incidents that went undetected by the UKUSA
network: the French bombing of the Rainbow Warrior and the 1987 Fiji coup.

His book suggests that our allies either failed to pass on information about
the 1985 plan to sink the Greenpeace boat, or missed the information
altogether because of the network's tight focus on other targets, such as
Russia.

He also quotes a senior public servant as saying Echelon provided no useful
information before, during or after the Fiji coup.

As a taxpayer, how much is the satellite

spy game costing me?

The GCSB has an annual budget of about $20 million.

About the same amount was spent building Waihopai in the late 1980s.

As a phone, fax and e-mail user (with no


[CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #4

2000-01-30 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 000130d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* No worlds were changed to produce this bulletin. Goddess knows we tried.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Build-A-Cow: http://members.tripod.com/~spows/cow.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# ATLANTIS TO RISE DURING SUPER BOWL? NASHVILLE (Wireless Flash) -- The lost
  continent of Atlantis could rise again this Sunday in -- of all places --
  the Georgia Dome, site of Super Bowl XXXIV. That's according to Atlantis
  researcher William Henry, who claims there are many similarities between
  the Tennessee Titans and the alleged rulers of Atlantis, also called
  "titans." First, the titans of Atlantis sacrificed rams on religious
  holidays. This year, the football Titans will try to slay the Rams on
  Sunday. The original titans were called the "sons of Adam." Similarly, the
  Tennessee Titans are owned by Bud Adams. Finally, the Tennessee Titans
  will playing in Atlanta, a city whose name may have been inspired by the
  lost continent of Atlantis. Henry thinks a Titans victory over the Rams
  could herald the arrival of the new Atlantis and a thousand years of world
  peace. http://nettoilet.com/news/getarticle.shtml?2000/01/26/item8.html

: Are you ready for a millennium of world peace? Will the total destruction
of Atlanta be worth it? Should SuperBowl fans be sacrificed for world peace?

# Dot com deluge - Why iNet firms are paying the price for Superbowl fame:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_622000/622904.stm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. Specific http://ambilac.8k.com/gizapart7.html
  instructions to unlock the Great Pyramid, and the precise location and
  meaning of the Ark of the Covenant http://ambilac.8k.com/exodus-gp.html
  and much, MUCH more. Via http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html

@ A tone or series of tones will open it. As they say and imply, caution
  and timeliness is advised. The notes need to be toned while standing in
  the Queen's chamber niche, http://www.cbjd.net/orbit/jking/MANYHANDS1.htm

: Who locked the Great Pyramid? Why did they use a sonic lock? Couldn't the
right tones be produced by blowing winds? Have those tones already occurred,
the pyramid unlocked, unimaginable power released and dissipated, wasted?
Does this explain all the troubles in the world? Is everything hopeless???

@ THE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH: http://ambilac.8k.com/index.html
@ THE TOMB OF OSIRIS: http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbitback25.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ten web sites to change the world. (BBC) INTERNET is one of the buzzwords
  at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Fittingly then, the organisers have
  promised to name 10 web sites that will make a difference. Is yours there?
  Where? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_621000/621850.stm

: Would you rather change/control/destroy/purify/sell the world? D'ya need
any help? Will your plans be thwarted by hackers/crackers/spies/aliens/me?

# COBOL Experts: Life After Y2K: http://www.msnbc.com/news/362384.asp
# MS security hole called 'major threat' - bug lets attackers view files:
  http://zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2429334,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01
# The Cyberfather - Organized crime targets booming black market:
  http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/000207/cyber.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Cydonia: Questions That Beg Explanations if Skeptics are to Maintain Null
  Hypothesis. The verdict is still out on the possible artificiality of the
  Cydonian anomalies. Unfortunately, the false "conclusion" that the Face,
  etc. are natural has been pronounced and flaunted so many times since the
  MGS acquired its three images that there is little or no productive
  dialogue. http://persweb.direct.ca/psa/cydoniaquestions.html

: Is productive dialogue on The Face On Mars irrelevant? Do Cydoniacs have
workable explanations for the Happy Face On Mars, Kermit The Frog On Mars,
Alfred E. Newman On Mars, that are consistent with the Cydonia face? When
will we we just hitch rides on Reptoid spacecraft and see for ourselves??

# NASA To Acknowledge Mars Life? http://persweb.direct.ca/psa/marslife.html
# Another Extrasolar Planet Found: http://persweb.direct.ca/psa/gliese.html
# New Energy in Debate On Alien Life: http://www.msnbc.com/news/362046.asp
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Satellite Instruments Reveal Evidence The Atmosphere Has Gotten Warmer And
  Wetter Over The Past Decade. Frank Wentz, a physicist at Remote Sensing
  Systems in Santa Rosa, Calif., has confirmed that the atmosphere has
  gotten warmer and wetter and windier and wilder over the last decade.

: Have you moistened any atmospheres lately? Is Earth's atmosphere better
wet, dry, 

[CTRL] 'Tis the Season

2000-01-30 Thread Alamaine

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From http://www.ft.com/hippocampus/q32a53e.htm


{{Begin}}
Life / Books

Getting to grips with a killer virus
Aching? Coughing? In bed with flu? Find out all about it, suggests Susanna
Rustin

FLU: The Story of the Great Influenza Pandemic and the Search for the Virus
that Caused it
by Gina Kolata
Farrar Straus $25/Macmillan

CATCHING COLD: 1918's Forgotten Tragedy and the Hunt for the Virus that Caused
it
by Pete Davies
Michael Joseph £12.99, 305 pages

"Every virologist loves a new virus" was professor John Oxford's remark about
the discovery of HIV. Since the Aids panic of the 1980s, HIV has dominated the
virologists' agenda, with unprecedented funding pouring into laboratories in
the rush for a cure. One of the questions asked by both Gina Kolata and Pete
Davies in their new books is whether this diversion of resources was prudent in
the light of the on-going threat to humanity posed by influenza.

Epidemics sell books as well as newspapers, and Kolata must be delighted with
her timing; the UK edition of her book has arrived in the middle of the winter
flu crisis. Meanwhile one hears the echo of last week's news headlines in Pete
Davies' description of British hospitals exactly a year ago, "cancelling
operations as they struggle to cope with the influx of flu patients".
Influenza is an annual occurrence affecting about 100m people worldwide.
Unpleasant though it is, and dangerous to the old and ill, the more common
variants of the illness bear little resemblance to the killer disease that
swept the globe in the final months of the first world war, killing between 20m
and 100m people. There has been no such deadly outbreak since, but both Kolata
and Davies are convinced that, in the words of one scientist, "It's not a
question of if. It's only a matter of when." They present flu experts'
investigations into 1918 as a matter of urgent attention.

It is a story with several episodes, which Kolata tackles chronologically. The
pandemic itself was well-documented, particularly in the US military, and
appears complete with horrifying statistics and gory details, from the onset of
symptoms - "Mahogany spots over the cheek bones"; "their faces soon wear a
bluish cast; a distressing cough brings up the blood-stained sputum" - to the
ghastly spectacle of the dead "mortifying and emitting a nauseating stench".

Research had begun in the 19th century, but it was not until 1951 that a
Swedish scientist, Johan Hultin, decided to try and recover samples of the
actual virus, from the lungs of flu victims buried in Alaska. Molecular biology
would take 45 years to catch up with Hultin, providing the techniques necessary
to extract genetic information from the frozen tissue. Before that, there was
the swine flu scare of 1976, and a disastrous immunisation programme which left
the US government to pick up the bill for compensation after the vaccine was
claimed to cause Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Having laboured the point that historians have paid the flu insufficient
attention (their conspiracy of silence coupled with its gruesome symptoms makes
the 1918 flu sound like a television X-file), Kolata's narrative picks up,
demonstrating the quandary in which the risk of a dangerous flu strain placed
the authorities. Later, Flu becomes something of a page-turner as Kolata tracks
rival attempts to recover the vital samples. She manages to convey the muted
excitement of a year of pains-taking lab work at the Armed Forces Institute of
Pathology in Washington, which finally paid off for Dr Jeffery Taubenberger and
Ann Reid. And she delivers a well-aimed swipe at the science establishment
journals which initially neglected to publish their findings.

Pete Davies jumps in to the plot much later, opening his book with the outbreak
of bird flu which spread to humans and resulted in the slaughter of more than
1m chickens in Hong Kong in 1997. The British writer's book has a more European
emphasis, noting for example the failure of the Centers for Disease Control in
Atlanta to acknowledge that it was a Dutch laboratory that first identified the
H5 Hong Kong virus.

Both writers offer cogent descriptions of the virus itself, the crucial point
being the haemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins according to which strains
are named: H1N1, H2N2, and so on. They clearly explain how the Nobel prize-
winning technique of polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, enabled molecular
biologists to copy and analyse genetic fragments. And in the end both give
broadly similar accounts of the rival scientists.

Taubenberger emerges the far more credible figure, with Kirsty Duncan's highly
publicised 1998 expedition to exhume the bodies of seven miners in Svalbard,
Norway, proving a costly fiasco. Kolata has Duncan "talking endlessly about her
hurts, hopes and fears" and wearing "sexy suede and high heels at the
graveyard".

Davies was part of the media circus that accompanied this trip, and his 

Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN

2000-01-30 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 In the next passage, the Bible describes manna as having light tan color
 and texture like a wafer, certainly an accurate description of the color
 and texture of a dried psilocybe mushroom. We also learn that the taste of
 manna is no longer that of fresh oil but rather that of honey. According to
 McKenna's research', honey has long been used in Mexico as a preserve
 medium for psilocybin containing mushrooms. Perhaps the children of Israel
 had begun to mix honey with the manna to preserve its potency. We find that
 Moses announced that manna must be kept for future generations: 

There are other descriptions of manna.  In commemoration of the Deucalion
flood, the people of Athens observed a feast in th month of Anthesterion,
which is a spring month; the feast ws called Anthesteria.  On the thirteenth
of the month, the main day of the feast, honey and flour were poured into a
fissure in the earth as a sacrifice.

The date of this ceremony--the thirteenth day of Anthesterion in the
spring--is revealing if we remember what was said in the section entitled
"13".  It was on the thirteenth day of the spring month (Aviv) that the great
planetary contact occurred which preceded by a few hours the Exodus of the
Israelites from Egypt.

The offering of honey and flour as the main ceremony of the feast is also
revealing if we recollect that manna, or heavenly corn, tasting like honey,
fell on the earth after the contact of the earth with a celestial body. "

Something falling from heaven is entirely different than something springing
from the earth.  The Israelites just couldn't have been so stupid they could
not tell that difference.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Bush will be next President

2000-01-30 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Bush Jnr. will be the next US President, and all the Bullshit until after
 the election, is just to keep the illusion of Democracy alive. 

He'll be exactly the same kind of president that Reagan was.  He will take
direction nicely.  If you liked Reagan, vote for George W.  Prudy

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[CTRL] FBI employees dispute government's explanation for actions at Mount Carmel (fwd)

2000-01-30 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

http://www.accesswaco.com/auto/feed/news/local/2000/01/29/949181398.08003.09
71.0489.html

FBI employees dispute government's explanation for actions at
Mount Carmel

By MARK ENGLAND Tribune-Herald staff writer

FBI employees dispute the government's official explanation for
ripping apart the Branch Davidians' gym as detailed in the
Department of Justice's 1993 report on Mount Carmel, according to
depositions taken for the wrongful-death lawsuit filed by
surviving members of the group.

In its report, the Justice Department gave two reasons why a
Combat Engineering Vehicle (CEV) - described as a modified Patton
tank - tore through the back of the Davidian compound, causing
the gym to partially collapse.

Escape routes were being opened for Davidians to flee Mount
Carmel and the gym was being opened for the eventual insertion of
tear gas, according to the "Report to the Deputy Attorney General
on the Events at Waco, Texas: February 28 to April 19, 1993."

But an FBI agent riding in the CEV that plowed through the gym
said in a recent deposition the crew was ordered to try to find a
way to get to a tower at the back of the compound, where
supervisors apparently believed the Davidians had retreated to
escape the tear gas attack.

"You were not ordered to breach the rear side of the building to
create escape openings," plaintiffs' attorney Mike Caddell of
Houston asked in the deposition. "You were ordered to clear this
path to the tower, correct?"

"Correct," said the CEV passenger, identified only as FBI witness
No. 7 to comply with the order by U.S. District Judge Walter S.
Smith Jr. of Waco not to divulge the identities of government
witnesses.

"What was the purpose of this path if it was cleared, or when it
was cleared?" Caddell asked.

"To effectively deliver gas to that tower area of the building
where it was believed we were not getting gas," the CEV passenger
said.

The Justice Department did not answer the Tribune-Herald's
request for an explanation of the discrepancy between the
testimony of FBI agents and its report.

In the 1993 report on Mount Carmel, the Justice Department
emphasized the purported forging of escape routes on the
compound's backside. In one instance, the report noted that after
the CEV toppled a wall in the gym, FBI negotiators broadcast:
"David, we are facilitating you leaving the compound by enlarging
the door. David, you have had your 15 minutes of fame. Vernon is
no longer the Messiah. Leave the building now."

Vernon Howell was David Koresh's name before he legally changed
it.

An FBI agent piloting a surveillance plane over Mount Carmel
testified in his deposition that the people flying with him
remarked that the Davidians would have to flee their compound
because it was being demolished.

"I recall some remarks that were made while, you know, 'People
were going to have to get out pretty soon because it's going to,
you know, the things are being kind of, during the penetrations,
being taken away from them...,'" the FBI pilot said.

Caddell accused the FBI of speeding up its plan to demolish the
Davidian compound.

The Justice Department report stated that if after 48 hours the
FBI's tear-gas assault failed to drive the Davidians out of Mount
Carmel, a modified CEV was to begin demolishing the building. The
demolition would continue until all the Branch Davidians had been
located, the report stated.

"You were systematically demolishing the gym bit by bit," Caddell
said to the CEV passenger. "You were tearing it down, weren't
you?"

"No, we were not destroying the building," the CEV passenger
said. "We were very..."

"You don't call that building destroyed?" Caddell asked.

"Portions of it," the CEV passenger said.

FBI witness No. 13, who drove the CEV, testified in his
deposition about the modified CEV that he said the FBI had rigged
up to demolish Mount Carmel.

"It was another CEV that had basically, what had been done was a
railroad, a stanchion of railroad was welded to the blade itself,
extending three feet on either side of the blade, and it was
going to be used to drive along the side of the building,
basically cutting the studs away and the sheetrock away, so we
could actually see into the front sides of the building in hopes
that they would come out when they were in plain view at that
point," the CEV driver said.

Caddell asked, "How would the gym have looked any different if
you had attacked it with the railroad CEV as opposed to the CEV
you had?"

"I have no idea," the CEV driver said. "We never got to that part
of the plan. I mean, in hindsight, it could have very well been
the exact same result. But my plan at that point was not to
destroy the gymnasium."

The agent riding in the CEV said the FBI could have quickly
destroyed the entire compound if that was its plan.

"I think in no time at all the collateral destruction that you
see on the empty gymnasium area would be the entire 

[CTRL] Conspire

2000-01-30 Thread earthman

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From: "Colin Frost" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi all
For all you conspiracy theorists out there this site is a must for a bit of
fun.
www.alchemica.co.uk/conspire/index.html

By entering some key pieces of information, this conspiracy generator will
come up with conclusive proof that you are not paranoid, but they are really
out to get you.I tried entering our list and this is what came up:

Why can't anyone see that MOL is being watched by Tony Blair? Its all so
that the KGB, hidden in a secret HQ near the Texas School Book Depositary
can fake a mission to Mars.After that Tony Blair will destroy population
centres of the world when the disorder caused by the KGB reaches a peak. The
only thing we can do is let Colin put together a militia to stop them.

Dident like that one so I tried again:

Nostrodamus' works clearly indicate that Tony Blair is trying to stop the
truth.Also, where he says 'the mouse in cyberspace will shy away/the lions
roar is as dust' he means that the KGB is threatening MOL website. The lion
is Peter who is trying to protect Marilyn Manson from Tony Blair with little
success.

Have fun!
Colin
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[CTRL] Top-Secret Agency Reports Computer Problem

2000-01-30 Thread Steve Wingate

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"ABC News, which first reported the computer problem, quoted NSA
Director Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden as saying the problems were
not caused by any matters related to Y2K issues, but that the computer
system was ``overwhelmed'' by the amount of information it was receiving. "

(Ellis really started something with the keywords in email ploy. :-)

 Sunday January 30 12:59 AM ET

 Top-Secret Agency Reports Computer Problem

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The super-secret U.S. National Security Agency
on Saturday said its computer systems suffered a ``serious'' problem
affecting their ability to process intelligence data for three days this past
week.

The NSA, which eavesdrops on conversations overseas to monitor
possible security threats to the United States, in a statement said the
problem had been resolved and it was confident ``that no significant
intelligence information has been lost.''

But it noted that it took NSA technicians thousands of man-hours and some
$1.5 million to get the computers up and running again at the agency's
headquarters at Fort Meade, Md.

As a result of the unprecedented blackout of information, analytical reports
from Fort Meade that turn intercepted foreign telephone, cable and radio
messages into meaningful data for the rest of government, were halted.

``The National Security Agency headquarters suffered a serious computer
problem at 7 p.m. ( GMT) on Monday, 24 January 2000,'' the agency
said in a rare press release.

It said the computer systems were affected for 72 hours, but were now
operating ``within the window of normal operations.''

``This problem ... did not affect intelligence collection, but did affect the
processing of intelligence information,'' the statement said. ``The backlog
of intelligence processing is almost complete, and NSA is confident that no
significant intelligence information has been lost.''

The latest incident follows the failure of a critical U.S. spy satellite system
on New Year's Eve, the most significant known casualty of the Year 2000
computer glitch.

That problem crippled a ground station that processes images beamed
from a series of U.S. satellites that monitor potential activity by armed
groups considered hostile to the United States.

Those setbacks come as the NSA, known around Washington as ''No Such
Agency'' because of its ultra-secret ways, has been reexamining its
mission in the post-Cold War era and trying to shake its image of falling
behind on high-technology applications.

ABC News, which first reported the computer problem, quoted NSA
Director Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden as saying the problems were
not caused by any matters related to Y2K issues, but that the computer
system was ``overwhelmed'' by the amount of information it was receiving.

The Washington Post quoted one official describing the outage as a
``software anomaly.''

``As of now, there is no evidence other than this was a system stressed to
meet day-to-day operational pressures,'' the paper quoted the official as
saying.


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
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[CTRL] Genetically modified viruses are being released!

2000-01-30 Thread earthman

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From Obie-Wan

"The death triggered alarm at many medical centers that are testing gene
therapy, because fully 30 percent of all such trials use adenoviruses to
convey a gene into patients' cells... Wild adenoviruses can cause various
illnesses, including colds and conjunctivitis, although infections are
usually mild. The FDA immediately halted two other trials that involved
infusing adenoviruses into patients' livers."

Genetically modified viruses are being released!

See Scientific American:
http://www.sciam.com/2000/0200issue/0200techbus5.html



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[CTRL] life force of food

2000-01-30 Thread earthman

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This is an excerpt from a post I received. I didn't know that!!

Peter

Let me give you an example.  Years ago a study was done to determine whether
different methods of cooking affected "life force."  Foods were cooked in a
wood stove, a gas oven, an electric oven and a microwave.  Each food was
then photographed using Kirlian photography, which is able to photograph the
'aura' or life force surrounding an object or living being.  They found that
there was indeed an impact on the "life force" of the food according to how
it was cooked. Obviously raw was the best, with the most life force, then
came the wood stove, next the gas stove, and then the electric stove.  Each,
in the order mentioned, had the effect of diminshing the food's life force.
Food that was cooked in a microwave had NO aura left.  It was black and
devoid of any 'vital force'. Imagine young babies fed on bottled formula,
heated up in the microwave.  What life force is left in that milk after it
has been cooked in the microwave?


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[CTRL] FW: The bio-battle of words- Reports from Montreal

2000-01-30 Thread Dave

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Saturday 29 January 2000
Montreal Gazette
The bio-battle of words

Activists won the propaganda war with clever words and images. The
serious-looking guys in suits never stood a chance

MARK ABLEY

The Gazette

It was a classic David-vs.-Goliath battle. In one corner: a motley crew of
activists and environmentalists from around the world, most of them crammed
into a nondescript apartment hotel on Rene Levesque Blvd. In the other:
businessmen and bureaucrats from the world's most powerful nation and a few
of its close allies, most of them staying in the same hotel

They had all come to Montreal to attend the contentious, drawn-out meetings
that saw nearly 140 countries trying to hammer out a Biodiversity Protocol
under the auspices of the United Nations Convention on Biodiversity. The
industry suits represented power and money; the activists represented
public anxiety.

David vs. Goliath, then. But as the week wore on, it became crystal-clear
just who, in terms of media savvy and public perception, was the
beleaguered underdog: the suits of the biotech industry.

There were really two wars being fought in the meeting rooms of the Delta
and the nearby International Civil Aviation Building. The first was over
the terms of the Protocol: whether it would allow nations to say "no" to
genetically modified  products, and whether the agreement's prime goal
would be to protect biodiversity or trade. The second was to win the
consciousness of a North American public that has  only begun to wake up to
the  urgency of the whole biotech debate.

Forceful Stand

In Europe, by contrast, the issue has been hot for years. Hot enough for
European governments, nervous of an angry electorate, to take a
surprisingly forceful stand this week against the pro-industry position of
Canada, the U.S. and the four other grain-exporting countries in the "Miami
Group."

The battle for public consciousness was dominated by the activists. They
played the media like a Stradivarius. All through the week, each day saw
them come up with a new tactic, a startling new image. It might be
Greenpeace's massive inflatable corncob, complete with fangs and bloodshot
eyes, or its human butterflies with  six-foot plywood wings - in each case,
a graphic illustration of the doubts about transgenic food and its impact
on nature.

It might be Friends of the Earth's subversive menu of genetically modified
food, given  to the press a few hours before the politicians dined in the
St. James Club, or their emerald-coloured poster asking citizens to locate
Canada's environment minister,  David Anderson, "who was last seen making
excuses."

It might be Biotech Action Montreal's candlelight vigil in sub-Arctic
temperatures "to enlighten Canadian negotiators," or the march it helped to
organize as the meetings began.  Of course, the activists had no control
over the way their demonstrations would be reported in the press. Last
Saturday's march through the chilly streets, for example. Were there "more
than 600" protesters, as The Gazette reported? Were there "about 1,000," as
the Associated Press said? Or was it just a "troupe of 300," as a National
Post columnist declared?

However many they were, the demonstrators were pictured in newspapers as
far away as Hong Kong and Madrid. They got their point across to the world:
whatever compromise deal the bureaucrats were trying to cook up, large
numbers of ordinary citizens wanted nothing to do with it.

Admittedly, the industry did its best. To put their viewpoint across, their
spokesmen were working hand-in-hand with National Public Relations, one of
Canada's leading PR  companies.

Uphill Task

John Wildgust, a former journalist and broadcaster, was among the NPR
officials handling the file for the Global Industry Coalition. When a
feature article appeared  inThe Gazette on Jan. 20 that cast Canada's
position into question, Wildgust drafted a letter-to-the-editor that
reached the newspaper the same day and was published on Jan. 22.

The front man for the coalition - and the official writer of that letter -
was actually a woman: Joyce Groote. The executive director of BIOTECanada
(an industry group with more than 100 member companies), she also headed
the Global Industry Coalition, a lobby group for more than 2,200 firms
worldwide.

Despite NPR's efforts, however, the industry lobby often seemed a step
behind the  activists. Wildgust realized he was facing an uphill task.
"It's a crappy idea, I know," he confided on Tuesday, "but I've been
thinking about  bringing in all those studies that prove the safety of
genetically modified food, and stacking them in a 7-foot-high pile. It
would show the weight of the scientific evidence."
 By Thursday, he had abandoned the notion.  "The problem is," Wildgust
said, "you guys in the media would want to read them all."  Or take the
case of the battling farmers. 

[CTRL] U.K.'s Cleveland Police report: drug legalization the obvious alternative approach

2000-01-30 Thread Dave

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DrugWar losing support of Police in U.K.
US next !

Dave Hartley
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Pubdate: Tue, 25 Jan 2000
Source: Daily Mail (UK)
Copyright: 2000 Associated Newspapers Ltd
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
Author: Steve Doughty, Social Affairs Correspondent

LEGALISING DRUGS MIGHT BE THE ONLY ANSWER, SAY POLICE
Chief police officers from one of Britain's busiest forces have claimed that
drugs laws don't work and say legalisation is 'the obvious alternative
approach.'

Officers in Cleveland, which covers Teeside, say in a report to the force's
civil police authority that the drugs trade is growing in the face of the
Government's tough anti-drugs stance.

The authority is now calling for a Royal Commission to review drugs laws in
the light of the findings.

The move makes Cleveland the first police force to come out publicly against
drugs laws Although a number of chief constables are believed privately to
back a more liberal policy, none has yet called for legalisation.

But the Cleveland report - written by its former assistant Chief Constable
Richard Brunstrom and endorsed by Chief Constable Barry Shaw - - openly
describes Tony Blair's 'fight against drugs' as a failure.

While it insists that the force will remain loyal to the Government's
strategy to cut drug abuse, it states: 'If there is indeed a war on drugs,
it is not being won - drugs are cheaper and more readily available than ever
before.

'Attempts to restrict availability of illegal drugs have failed so far
everywhere.

'There is little of no evidence that they can ever work within acceptable
means in a democratic society.

'Demand for drugs seems still to be growing, locally and nationally.  There
is little evidence that conventional conviction and punishment has any
effect on offending levels.'

The damning report comes at an increasingly difficult time for the
Government.

Yesterday a Cabinet Office statement insisted that the Government is
'steadfast' behind current laws after Minister Mo Mowlam - who masterminds
its anti-drugs drive but admitted having smoked cannabis in the past - was
reported to have differences of opinion with Tony Blair over drugs policy.

Next month an inquiry by the highly-influential Police Foundation think tank
is expected to suggest relaxing the laws against cannabis and ecstasy.

It is thought that the group, which is backed by a number of senior police
officers, will recommend that drugs use be 'de-penalised', with only trivial
penalties for those caught instead of jail terms or fines.

The report for the Cleveland force goes even further, however, concluding
that decriminalizing drug use is one of the only realistic ways forward.

'If prohibition does not work, then either the consequences of this have to
be accepted, or an alternative approach must be found,' the report states.

'The most obvious alternative approach is the legalisation and subsequent
regulation of some or all drugs.'

It adds that the implications of such a policy are serious but claims they
have never been properly thought though.

Cannabis laws are especially illogical, it argues, with many scientists
regarding the drug as less harmful than alcohol.

The law, it said, seemed to be based only on 'historical accident', leading
many to level charges of hypocrisy.

But the report contains further embarrassment for the Government in claims
that Britain has the highest level of illegal drug use in the EU.

'Illegal drugs are freely available, their price is dropping and their use
is growing.  It seems fair to say that violation of drug laws is endemic.'

Only about 20 per cent of drugs imported into Britain are intercepted, it
says, and even if police and customs doubled their efforts, 60 per cent of
all drugs brought in would still reach users.

The call for a Royal Commission from the Cleveland Police Authority, which
saw the report last month, is itself expected to fail, however.

The Prime Minister has so far refused all pressure for such a high-profile
review, instead appointing former police chief Keith Hellawell as 'drugs
czar' to lead its efforts to reduce drug use.

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Re: [CTRL] life force of food

2000-01-30 Thread Rob G

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Peter: Do you have where and who did the study?
Thanks, Rob


 This is an excerpt from a post I received. I didn't know that!!

 Peter

 Let me give you an example.  Years ago a study was done to determine
whether
 different methods of cooking affected "life force."

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[CTRL] CATHOLIC PRIESTS DYING in RECORD NUMBERS (fwd)

2000-01-30 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:48:00 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CATHOLIC PRIESTS DYING in RECORD NUMBERS


COMMUNIQUE  #2260  http://TeamInfinity.com/~ralph/church
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http://www.vatican.va/library_archives/vat_secret_archives/index.htm


HERE is a REAL SCANDAL - http://www.onebucplace.com


CATHOLIC PRIESTS DYING in RECORD NUMBERS


What about all the children they infect ?

What is being done to address THAT 

Blow the lid off this festering caldron of ignorance,
superstition, and stupidity !

Sue the Church into oblivion !!!


Source: Kansas City Star
http://www.kcstar.com/

Catholic priests are dying of AIDS, often in silence
http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/home.pat,local/37743133.129,.html

By JUDY L.  THOMAS - The Kansas City Star
Date: 01/29/00 22:15

Related Site:

Special report: AIDS in the Priesthood
http://www.kcstar.com/projects/priests/


Hundreds of Roman Catholic priests across the United States have
died of AIDS-related illnesses, and hundreds more are living with
HIV, the virus that causes the disease.

The actual number of AIDS deaths is difficult to determine. But
it appears priests are dying of AIDS at a rate at least four
times that of the general U.S.  population, according to
estimates from medical experts and priests and an analysis of
health statistics by The Kansas City Star.

In Missouri and Kansas alone, at least 16 priests and two
religious-order brothers have died of AIDS since early 1987.

The deaths are of such concern to the church that most dioceses
and religious orders now require applicants for the priesthood to
take an HIV-antibody test before their ordination.

For the nation's 60 million Catholics, served by 46,000 priests,
the AIDS issue goes straight to the heart of church doctrine -- a
doctrine that teaches compassion and forgiveness but also
considers homosexual relations a sin and opposes the modern
practice of "safe sex."

In a nationwide confidential survey of 3,000 priests by The Star,
two-thirds of the more than 800 responding lauded the church for
being caring and compassionate to priests with AIDS.  Often, the
church covers medical costs, gives them a place to live and cares
for them until they die.

Most priests, however, said the church failed to offer an early
and effective sexual education that might have prevented
infection in the first place.  Two-thirds said sexuality either
was not addressed at all or was not discussed adequately in the
seminary.  Three of four said the church needed to offer more
education about sexual issues.

"Sexuality still needs to be talked about and dealt with," said
the Rev.  Dennis Rausch, a priest with AIDS who runs an AIDS
ministry program for Catholic Charities in the Archdiocese of
Miami.

"I've been trying to get into the seminary here for the last
several years to do an awareness course for the guys, so when
they come out, they at least have some knowledge."

Many priests and behavioral experts argue that the church's
adherence to 12th-century doctrine about the virtues of celibacy
and its teachings on homosexuality have contributed to the spread
of AIDS within the clergy.  Unwittingly, the church has kept
fledgling priests -- some of whom were as young as 14 when they
entered seminary in the '60s and '70s -- uneducated about the
reality of a sexual world and its temptations.

Moreover, by treating homosexual acts as an abomination and the
breaking of celibacy vows as shameful, the church has scared
priests into silence, some say.

"I think this speaks to a failure on the part of the church,"
said Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton of the Archdiocese of
Detroit. "Gay priests and heterosexual priests didn't know how to
handle their sexuality, their sexual drive.  And so they would
handle it in ways that were not healthy.

"How to be celibate and to be gay at the same time, and how to be
celibate and heterosexual at the same time, that's what we were
never really taught how to do.  And that was a major failing."

Roman Catholic cardinals in the United States and high-ranking
church officials in Rome declined requests to discuss the issue.
The Vatican referred questions to local bishops.

In a statement released Saturday, the Rev.  Patrick J.  Rush,
vicar general of the Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St.
Joseph, said: "The numbers of HIV-AIDS deaths of ordained clergy
pale in comparison to the tidal wave in our country and
throughout the world.  Through their ministries, all of our
priests offer their lives to serve others."

Rush said the Catholic Church has responded with compassion to
those who suffer from AIDS.

"Faith reminds us that the afflicted are our brothers and
sisters, men and women in God's image.  They deserve our care,
respect and support."

In an earlier interview, Bishop Raymond J.  Boland of the Diocese
of Kansas City-St.  Joseph 

[CTRL] [NA] 2000 Iowa Caucus Analysis

2000-01-30 Thread lloyd

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..

From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
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Subject: [NA] 2000 Iowa Caucus Analysis
Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 4:53 AM

www.networkamerica.org

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin

January 25, 2000 NA e-wire

2000 Iowa Caucus Analysis

Newsflash: Almost 1000 people have visited our Network America website
in the last 4 days. Those subscribing to this e-wire have doubled in the
same period. Welcome aboard to everyone. It’s 1776 all over again, but
this time YOU are there.

Newsflash: The Republican Caucus, broadcast on C-Span from Precinct 3 in
Decorah, Iowa, showed the Caucus Temporary Chairman, Jim Burns,
responding to a question about WHERE he was calling the precinct vote.
Mr. Burns responded that the Party had set up a “Central Location” in
Des Moines into which results were to be called and punched in on the
touch tone phone. On the screen, as a subheading superimposed on the
precinct, C-Span showed this quizzical statement: “At each of the
precinct caucuses, the chairmen phones the results to a central location
in Des Moines.” … Run by who? Does the phone forward the call to New
York City? We don’t know. … Significantly, the EXACT same wording was
displayed on the screen during the Democratic Caucus which C-Span
broadcast from Ames, Iowa. This heightens our suspicion that this
“central location in Des Moines” is a “touch tone” front for Voter News
Service, which entity, we suspect, is counting both Caucuses. Probably
this has been obscured from even the rank and file in both parties. The
key is to find IF there are to be final results published – and WHO is
publishing them. If anyone can call the GOP and/or Democratic
Headquarters in Iowa and get answers to these questions, please email us
at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Now, the following can be concluded: 1) W can probably take a collective
bow that our expose of the con-artists at GOP Iowa headquarters has
forced them to change the system; 2) They have abandoned publicizing
that precinct votes are to be called into a New York City based Big
Media related corporation; 3) They have made a touch tone telephone
system the reporting system, thus taking the county chairmen out of the
loop – if C-Span was given proper information that all precinct chairmen
report straight to the touch tone system. This touch tone system would
make it even more difficult to check the results, since only each
Precinct Chairman and the “Central location” would have the results.
This makes it a near Herculean task for the average citizen to be able
to verify the results, unless County Chairmen went to the extra effort
to track down all their precinct chairmen and get the results
separately. And then check them against the published results; 4) the
vague wording displayed on the C-Span screen, i.e. “central location in
Des Moines” – leave very open the possibility that Voter News Service is
STILL collating the results. We still need to verify WHO is collating
and counting the results this year for both the Democratic and
Republican Party. Also, we will be waiting to see if FINAL results are
ever published this year.

News reminder: The overwhelming  number of Big Media polls until the
last week or so told everyone that G.W. Bush had 60% to 70% of support
in the Iowa GOP. Near-final results show both at only 41%. Alan Keyes
made some extremely salient points about this just after 12:30 AM EST on
CNN in a live interview with Larry King. See below.

* Before proceeding, let me dedicate this Network America e-wire to
Jim Collier, co-author of Votescam: The Stealing of America, who passed
away in October, 1998 of pancreatic cancer. It’s on a night like this
that I really miss being able to hear Jim’s observations or finds. It
was in 1985, when Jim and his late brother Ken came to Cincinnati as
expert witnesses in our court battle with the Hamilton County Board of
Elections, that they told me about Voter News Service (then called News
Election Service) and how all the big TV networks got their exit poll
results from this one organization. It was in 1986 that they called me
at 7:30 PM on the night of the November Election and told me to get down
to Cincinnati Convention Center with a camera because News Election
Service was set up there with one of their 5 regional phone centers to
collate exit poll results. Long time friend and photographer Jason
Miller and I ran down, and got some amazing pictures of badges and other
items proving that News Election Services was feeding all the Big TV
networks and AP wire with exit poll data. It was in 1988 that Ken
Collier called me on the Sunday night before the Bush-Dukakis Election
contest and told me 

[CTRL] Humankind's ET Origins

2000-01-30 Thread earthman

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Dak huh, And Sitchin called it the gift from the Gods too. LOL

Peter

http://www.angelfire.com/az/OpenMind/origins.html
The Theory
Once upon a time, there was a race of beings from the Dog Star Sirius called
the DAK. The DAK were evolved from a dog-like ancestor. When this story
begins, they have achieved space travel, and many scientific advances.

The DAK had the political heirarchy of a Royal Family being in charge. There
were a King and Princes, uncles and nephews, all the normal stuff that goes
along with a Monarchy.

The King (being a smart king) sent his 2 sons, the Princes, to aquire more
territory for the kingdom. (The sons being of an age where they were chafing
for more responsibility.) The younger son (Prince 2) was a genetic engineer.
The older (Prince 1) was being groomed for the Kingship.

There happened to be a solar system right at the edge of a trade route that
looked like it might be promising. There were minerals to be had on some of
the planets, and a beautiful watery world that would make a lovely
Recreation Planet. The two Princes claimed the solar system in the name of
their Father.

After much hardship and work, they started mining the planets for the
minerals. Prince 1 was in charge of the physical aspects of gettting the job
done. Prince 2 was in charge of the labor force.

On the beautiful watery planet there were life forms. One was a monkey-man,
with little if any intellect. But it did have a strong back and was a
perfect candidate for a labor slave. Prince 2 started genetically
engineering the monkey-man, since the DAK warriors who were doing the work
were becoming too exhausted and beaten down by the labor involved in
terraforming and mining.

Prince 2 was successful in designing a slave that was smart enough to take
orders, but not smart enough to disobey them. He called his creation Adama.

In the meantime, Prince 1 was under heavy pressure to get the jobs done. He
drove Adama mercilessly, so that individuals would die from over-work.
Prince 2 was not happy with this, these were after all, his creations. He
went in again and genetically "tweaked" some of the Adama and raised their
sexual DNA to heights unheard of in sentient beings. Prince 2 figured that
even if they were being worked so hard, at least he could give them
something to enjoy while they were off work.

Prince 1 was furious! Now his slaves were just having sex, and not working
anymore. Prince 1 insisted that the Adama were all to be killed, and a new
slave was to be engineered. He called all the DAK back into their huge
spaceship and caused a great flood to kill off all the creatures on the
planet. Prince 2 got word of his brother's plans just prior to taking off,
and he saved some of his creation by setting them deep into a high mountain
where the waters would not get to them.

Upon returning to the planet, after the flood was over, Prince 1 insisted
that his brother make a new slave. This time, Prince 2 used HIS OWN DNA
instead of the DAK warrior's who had been assigned to donate it. As before,
Prince 1 was unmerciful and drove the slaves too hard.

Prince 2 went to a Genetic Enineering conference and told of his plight to
friends of his there. A representative of the Bird People responded to him,
and gave him a precious gift of their DNA. the Bird Person told Prince 2
that the DNA would give his creations "passion" and a yearning for
understanding and adventure. Prince 2 gladly accepted the gift and used it
in his old, hidden Adama as well as the new ones.

So, according to the story, we are made up of at least 3 different beings,
the DAK (from which we have Royal Blood), the Bird People (from whom we get
our "passion"), and the original monkey-man who was an evolved resident of
the planet. And there is evidence that more and varied DNA strains were
introduced.






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Re: [CTRL] Artillery shells pound Coryell County ranch

2000-01-30 Thread pmeares

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Richard Sampson wrote:

 
http://www.accesswaco.com/auto/feed/news/local/2000/01/28/949107772.08003.4415.0429.html

 Artillery shells pound Coryell County ranch

A reservist unit (Hotel Battery, 3rd Battalion, 14th Marines, 4th Mar Div.,
Richmond) did the same thing back in the summer of 1990. Several phosphorus
rounds in a 'fire for effect' training exercise hit a farm, totally melted
a tractor, burned much of the crops, and were working their way towards the
farmer's house before the forward observers realized that the rounds were
*way* off target and called for a cease fire. Luckily no one on the farm
was hurt. What happened was that there was a misunderstanding in the
communications from the 'Fire Direction Control' (FDC) to the artillery
gunners, and the wrong 'color' bags of powder were loaded into the guns.

If I'm not mistaken, the two types of powder bags Marine artillery uses
are 'white' and 'green' -- and one is a lot more powerful then the other.
Instead of say, three 'white' bags, three 'green' bags were used (or visa
versa), sending the rounds not merely off the range, but miles off the base
into the farmer's field. Since the rounds had timed fuses, they burst in
the air over the farmer's field, sending burning phosphorus all over the
place. Further, burning phosphorus is almost impossible to put out, which
is why it's in these rounds in the first place, whereby making the damage
that much more serious. From what I heard, the fire department had a hell
of a time trying to save what was left of the farm. It even made the
national news that night.

For safety reasons, after the guns are loaded, but before any rounds are
fired, a gunner visually signals to the XO and other officers in the 'pit'
the color and number of bags loaded into the guns, and the officer gives
the go ahead to send the rounds down range; but for some reason nobody
noticed the mistake. Also, the FDC has a computer that compiles the data
sent by the forward observers and tells the FDC everything they need to
know, including the exact time it takes for the rounds to leave the guns
until they hit their target -- the 'splash' time. In fact, someone recently
posted on CTRL that this data for guiding artillery rounds is so important
to the 'grunches' and 'territorial gangsters' called 'gubbmint' that
(according to Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, or R. Buckminster Fuller, I believe,
perhaps someone else) it's one of the main reasons why the first computers
were ever built. (On second thought, it's possible I saw it on one of those
war shows always playing on The Learning Channel; I'm not sure where I
heard it -- but I am sure that I recently heard it somewhere).

Basically what happens is that a forward observer calls in a grid for a
target to the FDC. The FDC plots the data and sends it to the gunners, who
fire a round. Shortly after the round is fired, the radio operator in the
FDC notifies the forward observers a second or two before 'splash' to give
a heads up that the round is about to hit; the forward observer then pops
his head up, watches the target and sends back correction data ('drop',
'add', 'left', or 'right') to the FDC. Thus, when the forward observer kept
getting calls for 'splash' from the FDC and no rounds were hitting
*anywhere* on the firing range, something was obviously amiss. By the
time 'cease fire' was called, it was too late and the farm was in ruins.
Needless to say, several of the battery's officers were discharged under
other then honorable conditions; although the battery was still deployed in
the Gulf 'conflict' that winter and was decorated for their performance in
making every Iraqi troop position they encountered look like that poor
farmer's farm.

'Brainfart' mistakes like this sometimes happen; no conspiracy here, IMO.

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Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN

2000-01-30 Thread pmeares

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

 There are other descriptions of manna. In commemoration of the Deucalion
 flood, the people of Athens observed a feast in th month of Anthesterion,
 which is a spring month; the feast ws called Anthesteria.  On the thirteenth
 of the month, the main day of the feast, honey and flour were poured into a
 fissure in the earth as a sacrifice.

 The date of this ceremony--the thirteenth day of Anthesterion in the
 spring--is revealing if we remember what was said in the section entitled
 "13".  It was on the thirteenth day of the spring month (Aviv) that the great
 planetary contact occurred which preceded by a few hours the Exodus of the
 Israelites from Egypt.

 The offering of honey and flour as the main ceremony of the feast is also
 revealing if we recollect that manna, or heavenly corn, tasting like honey,
 fell on the earth after the contact of the earth with a celestial body."

Sounds like something described in Immanuel Velikovsky's "Worlds in
Collision", but much more 'hard to swallow', IMO. So are you saying that
you believe manna is some "heavenly corn, tasting like honey," that "fell
on the earth after the contact of the earth with a celestial body"? Let me
guess, this 'celestial body' was not Venus as Velikovsky assumes; rather it
was something much more like a giant, intergalactic Honey Corn Pop that
shred and rained down bit's and pieces of breakfast cereal from the heavens
to earth each morning while it slowly passed? As for myself, I'll stick
with Occam's Razor and the shroom theory. As the page I posted noted: Even
if psilocybe mushrooms are not manna the similarities have indicated
mushrooms as a possible candidate, and they certainly fit the bill for a
"spiritual food".

 Something falling from heaven is entirely different than something springing
 from the earth.  The Israelites just couldn't have been so stupid they could
 not tell that difference.   Prudy

The shrooms would sprout up overnight, seemingly out of nowhere. Most
importantly, unlike all other growing plants in the world, this fungus had
no roots or seed -- something which must have mystified and perplexed the
wandering tribe. Remember, they came from an arid land and it is certainly
possible that most of them had never seen a mushroom growing before, until
their 40-year wandering took them to a region where the mushrooms grew (and
eventually outside to another arid region where they no longer grew, thus
no more manna for the Israelites). Is it not possible that "falling from
heaven" is used metaphorically to describe this process, and smooth over
their confusion as to how and why the mushrooms would sprout up overnight,
seemingly out of nowhere. A mystical food that allowed seemingly direct
'communion' with God. Mushrooms were also seen as 'winged' creatures, or
crowned by a cloudy cap or 'halo,' each carrying a 'message' from God in
heaven, the very definition of an 'Angel'. John M. Allegro's book "The
Sacred Mushroom and the Cross: A Study of the Nature and Origins of
Christianity within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East" (1970)
has much scholarly info revealing human religion was built upon
psychoactive plants, especially Christianity. In effect, according the
Allegro, Christianity was the esoteric disguise of a secret mushroom cult
whose original content was eventually forgotten.

One of the more compelling tid bits that recently turned me on to the
mushroom theory with regards to the origins of religion and secret
societies is from James Arthur's "Mushrooms  Mankind", which I quoted
several weeks ago:

"Revealing the secrets of Entheogens, which is one of the most closely
guarded secrets of Freemasonry (as well as many other secret societies) is
something that can only be done by a layman (non-member). This is because
if you have initiation at that level you could not discuss it any further.
Secret Societies are called Secret Societies because they keep certain
secrets. I have spoken personally with High Priests and Bishops (Secret
Society Initiates), who simply told me that they could NOT discuss anything
with me because of their oaths of secrecy. In fact they were so blown away
that I knew the information, that it scared the hell out of them.
Entheogens, and particularly the Amanita muscaria, are a HUGE secret. The
initiatory rites, into this particular field, are so far up the totem pole
of secret societies and religions that when you find those who know, they
really freak out, that anyone else knows, because it cuts to the deepest
recesses of their self perceived spirituality, and cuts to the center of
their most secret God/Society given indoctrination experiences. They have
this certain look in their eyes, and unless you somehow are perceived as a
threat to them, they invariably have the need to tell you that they DO know
what you are talking about (which is likely a violation of oath in itself),
but they CAN NOT 

Re: [CTRL] Bush will be next President

2000-01-30 Thread pmeares

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

 In a message dated 01/30/2000 11:36:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Bush Jnr. will be the next US President, and all the Bullshit until after
  the election, is just to keep the illusion of Democracy alive. 

 He'll be exactly the same kind of president that Reagan was.  He will take
 direction nicely.

Much as your #1 butt-buddy Clintoon does, Prudy? As the commander-in-thief
admitted in Ireland about a year and a half ago, his job is basically to
sign what his advisors put in front of him to sign, no more, no less.

 If you liked Reagan, vote for George W.  Prudy

Why anyone would support any of the Dem and GOP hucksters and yes-men
running (or who have run) for el presidente, is beyond me. As Kris once put
it: the Dems and GOP are "twittily dee and twittily dumb", mere flatterers
and lickspittles for the powers that be -- two sides of the same coin. How
anyone who has subscribed CTRL for any length of time could even remotely
support any of these fools and scoundrels is even more absurd -- especially
Prudy and the unfailing support she has given of her beloved Clintoons over
the years.

The practical difficulty with our government has been that most
of those who have administered it have taken it for granted that
the Constitution, as it is written, was a thing of no importance;
that it neither said what it meant, nor meant what it said; that
it was gotten up by swindlers... who said a great many good
things, which they did not mean, and meant a great many bad
things, which they dared not say; that these men, under the
false pretense of a government resting on the consent of the
whole people, designed to entrap them into a government of a
part, who should be powerful and fraudulent enough to cheat
the weaker portion out of all the good things that were said,
but not meant, and subject them to all the bad things that
were meant, but not said. And most of those who have
administered the government, have assumed that all these
swindling intentions were to be carried into effect, in
place of the written Constitution -- Lysander Spooner, 1867

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[CTRL] [NA] No Evidence of Final Results in Iowa Caucus Yet

2000-01-30 Thread lloyd

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..

From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.htmlFrom: Jim Condit Jr. 
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Subject: [NA] No Evidence of Final Results in Iowa Caucus Yet
Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:31 AM

www.networkamerica.org

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin

January 26,. 2000 NA e-wire

No Evidence of Final Results in Iowa Caucus Yet

Today’s e-wire will be a short one.

1) No evidence has reached us of final results in the Iowa GOP primary.
As stated yesterday, we believe their never will be any final results –
just like in 1996. I checked the site voter.com – and its Republican
Iowa Caucus results page has disappeared. Actually it disappeared last
night after the caucus at about 4 AM with 96% counted, with no county
breakdown results, apparently never to return. The Democratic page is
still up, but only giving the percentages and spotty delegate counts. Of
course, there isn’t the slightest need for the Ruling Elite to doctor
the Democratic results, both are “approved” candidates. We will be
ordering copies of the Des Moines Register and the Cedar Rapids Gazette
to see if there is even a county breakdown this year. And if it’s a
final. And if it came from the AP wire, which would be a strong
indication that BOTH parties have Voter News Service counting their
caucus vote. More to come on this.

2) Interestingly, I cannot find a Voter News Service (VNS) website. If
anyone can find one, please e-mail us per the instructions below. This
VNS crowd, of course, hasn’t traditionally wanted any publicity.

3) New Hampshire happens in a week or so. Look for some results OUT OF
SYNC with the phony Big Media Polls – just like happened in Iowa. But,
after New Hampshire, watch for computer-generated election results that
will make the phony “Big Media” polls come true. I submit to all that
once the Ruling Elite has made its choice, it’s the computers on Super
Tuesday that guarentee the pre-designated result. Since 1988, I don’t
believe there has been anything but a sweep by the favored candidate. I
remember being struck at how in 1988 the Yankee Bush SWAMPED both Dole,
a war hero, and Pat Robertson, a southerner and clear voice on the moral
issues – in all Super Tuesday SOUTHERN primaries. There were no shades
of grey.  (This is not any kind of endorsement of Dole, I’m just point
out that it was Dole won some and Bush won some – the computers tell us
that by Super Tuesday, the same results happens just about everywhere.
In 1992, Clinton swamped Brown everywhere on Super Tuesday. No shades of
grey. In 1996, the near-senile Dole won over Buchanan in EVERY Super
Tuesday primary by a landslide, including Georgia – by a landslide! – do
you believe that? I don’t. Let’s see if the super Tuesday results are
equally as lopsided this time.

4) Time magazine came out today on the “Presidential Dash” or something
like that; the cover was divided into four squares: 1 for Bush, 1 for
Gore, 1 for McCain, 1 for Bradley. These are the four “sanctioned”
candidates. There’s not enough caffeine on the planet to keep us awake
if these were the only four candidates running.

5) I hope it is clear to everyone how “helpless” we are in the face of
the primary elections after the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire
Primary. In Iowa we could have had an exact count if one or more
candidates, or a watchdog group like Network America – could have
coordinated eye witnesses at all 2100+ Caucuses. In New Hampshire, you
have 70% of the precincts counted by hand, by the local citizens – the
way it should be. With eye-witnesses at every polling place where the
votes are counted by hand, honest citizens have a chance to compare
those results against the computer counted areas – to see if there are
any serious discrepancies. HOWEVER, once you more to Ohio, Texas,
California, Arizona – the other 49 states, there are no citizen counts
at the precinct. In these states we are TOTALLY at the mercy of the
computer generated results. Again, watch for Keyes and even Forbes to
sink quick. Watch for the big computer states to sweep W. Bush and Gore
into astounding, overwhelming victories. The people will be told that
“their voice” has clearly “designated” the “favorite” candidates.

6) Someone called me today and pointed out that the lady who asked the
GOP Chaiman at the Republican Iowa Caucus in Decorah, Iowa which was
broadcast on C-Span – where he was going to call the Caucus votes into –
 that that lady had almost certainly seen our ad in USA Today. More to
come.

7) We’ll keep you updated on Iowa and New Hampshire – and also return to
bringing you more dynamic tidbits of research on the all important
subject of how our votes are counted, how our country is being run, 

Re: [CTRL] Donald Scott: The $5 million man

2000-01-30 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: JP Viken
Subject:Re: Donald Scott: The $5 million man


What does the recent resignation of us attorney Johnston, the Texas rangers
refusal to roll over for the Feb*, the recent new Waco delta force/Feb*
premeditated murder evidence, the 5 million dollar settlement offer by us
justice to Donald Scott's widow, and the impending release of Mr.. task
force 157 Edwin Wilson) have in common with  SWISS  CHEESE?
They all illustrate the sinking ship of the us "just-us" dept, the
alphabets, and delta force.  These Rico criminal agencies are now like Swiss
cheese, real sinking ships in the storm of stand up folks who work there bad
have had their fill of the "abuse of power" and Rico criminal acts under the
false guise of national security. (Note: whenever one invokes national
security, chip/fisa or national secrecy act contracts and agreements,
criminal acts have been or will soon be committed in association with such
references!).

Local drug cops saw Scott's property and said "gee this would be a nice
seizure."  They would be able to split proceeds with feds.  So they sent a
DE* spotter aircraft up to search for telltale green signifying marijuana
plants. Pilots said "no green there".   DE* quoted him as "maybe saw some
green", and used this to get a fraudulent search warrant.  The reason the us
justice dept recently offered 5 million dollars to Scott's widow is because
the pilot came forth and stated that the alphabets lied and that he saw no
green signifying marijuana plants, and some local cops stated that there was
talk by tow key drug agents that Scott's land would be ideal and "we should
get it".

When they busted in his front door with the battering ram, Donald Scott
raised a gun over his head as he ran to the front door to protect his wife,
himself, his house and his property against what he thought was an illegal,
forced entry.  Whenever feds see a gun, they usually kill, (often kill just
for fun--macho style--like to se the blood squirt and splatter--one u*
Marshall sniper who is a member of a multijurisdictional task force on 24
hour call and carries his rifle in the trunk of his car all the time, told
me 5 years ago he could hardly wait to blow somebody's head off, like what
happens when a watermellon is hit with  a soft-tipped 308 match grade bullet
and explodes--this guy lives waiting for his moment of truth cause he's
"honed to kill"--says he was taught this phrase at a special sniper sniper
school out east, guess where?).  This guy was so angry all the time it was
unbelievable--he couldn't get along with his wife at all--and she was always
afraid of him and didn't like his violent, hateful talk.

He told me he was taught by experienced field agents of the record how to
eliminate the drug vermin.  He told me the agent asks the warrantee if
he(she) has any guns in the house.  Then if answer is yes they ask "please
show us where they are" and then they instruct warrantee to take them to the
guns and "hand them to me".   When the warrantee touches gun, they shoot and
kill warrantee claiming he(she) resisted arrest and attempted to kill the
agent. He said, ya never fire your weapon unless you kill someone--those are
the rules, my rules!".

File this under sources and methods.

Note:  In the last 4-5 years I have talked to a significant number of
disgrunted agents of various govt agencies who were in process of retiring
or just retired. who were in process of retiring or just retired (agencies
which could now actually and accurately be considered rico criminal
organizations in most part at least in the higher bureaucratic positions and
their special ops, national security oriented underlings).  The amount of
disatisfaction they have had with their agencies is shocking.  Many have
lost all respect for federal law enforcement, us justice dept, alphabets,
and intelligence agencies.  Many are so disgusted they freely talk about
these govt rico acts and are about done keeping their mouths shut publicly.
 Two names always keep coming up as the mr. slick's or the interagency
fixers:  wayne adrian r*ch (sheepdipped ci*), and mark r*chards, us just-us
dept.
Mark is "just a marvel" at weaving the national security laws around clearly
rico criminal acts by the alphabets and us just-us hit teams (the wetboys).

A number told me that it may not take much to set off major rebellion in
many of these agencies, and waco may be the thing--that many newer agents
have about had it and will fight the system if much more occurs.  Certain
police depts will not be pushed around by the feds anymore.  Some sheriffs
have kicked them out of their areas.  New York cops have even threatened the
fb* at times if they don't get permission first before operating in their
city. The texas rangers cannot be controlled by any alphabets, and neither
can the us attorney johnston regarding 

Re: [CTRL] [CIA-DRUGS] The Opal File

2000-01-30 Thread Dave

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Hi Duncan,

Yes, Ray Cline is listed. Many times.
http://www.asheville-computer.com/issues/opal.html


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave
http://www.asheville-computer.com/issues/


-Original Message-
From: nexusmagazine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:12 AM
Subject: The Opal File


Anyone on this list have a copy of "The Opal File"?  I seem to recall Ray
Cline's name was amongst those listed on there somewhere.

If anyone has a copy I would like to ascertain whether or not they, or
anyone they know of has been able to verify any of the contents.

regards

Duncan



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