[CTRL] URLs
http://www.conspire.com/updates.html http://www.disinfo.com/ Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous
[CTRL] Drudge Report
The absolute nastiness of this sort of stuff is that Drudge and his like know that it doesn't matter if the story is true or not. The story will stick in the public mind and no one will pay much attention to the refutation--if and when it comes. This is the total corruption of journalism and does not relate to "news." It is the very core of character assassination--whether it has to do with Richard Jewel or Bill Clinton or whoever. And this group is suspect for being titillated by this kind of garbage. Let Drudge wait until the DNA test comes through. Only then is there a story.or no story at all. The name of Drudge's story is "The Humiliation of the U.S. President." No one deserves to be treated this way in the press. Even Larry Flynt knows better. sno0wl
Re: [CTRL] You ARE the Password
Can't help but wonder. If you're at work on a NT system and you have one of these biometric identifiers, can your boss still go into your computer and read your e-mail? sno0wl
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] CKLN Mind Control Radio Series Tape 46B
GAIL FISHER-TAYLOR: I think you bring up a really important point, Caryn. The way a lot of these organizations operate is through implication and intimidation. If these people are implicated in this criminal activity, they are drawn in, and they can be drawn in and blackmailed as you say, under the influence of drugs, and under other kinds of influences. WAYNE MORRIS: This of course has profound implications for our society where we are supposed to be electing public officials who will represent the public, but really how healthy of a system can that be when these layers of blackmail are happening right up the hierarchy. CARYN STARDANCER: It has always been this way. The stories I was told for example, by the Dionysian Sect - the oldest laws ever passed against ritual abuse were passed in Rome through Christ and they were made against the very Dionysians Sects that were still in operation in the forties and fifties, and which I assume are still in operation now. The reason the laws were made against them was because at that time there were citizens and then there were people who were not citizens - and it was known that in the rituals there were sexual orgies, flaying (skinning of people), flagellation, abuse and ritual rape of women and children. That isn't why there were laws made against the groups - the laws were made against the groups because of the practice of common commission of crime for the purpose of political blackmail. WAYNE MORRIS: I would like to focus now on survivor issues, and what your experiences are in terms of resources available for survivors, and how that has been changing over the last ten years or so? CARYN STARDANCER: Well, compared to when I was in recovery, there are a lot of resources and a lot of information. However when we first started making that recovery - it was a lot better climate. Now there is the backlash, and the backlash is having a very chilling effect on the availability of services in that even a therapist who treats a survivor is running risks at this point of suit under the guise of "alleged false memories". It is really difficult at this point, although there are still resources available. As I said, Survivorship has members all over the place, and we provide as much information as possible and there are still people willing to take the risk of providing treatment and giving information. GAIL FISHER-TAYLOR: I would like to say that Survivorship is an excellent resource - a lot of people I work with have found it, and I have found it to be a really excellent resource. I am wondering Caryn if you could provide information on how to contact you because Survivorship is one of the best sources of information available today. CARYN STARDANCER: We have an address in San Francisco: 3181 Mission St. #139, San Francisco, California, 94110. We also have e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we have a website www.ctsserver.com/~svship WAYNE MORRIS: Can you describe what kind of issues you deal with, and what Survivorship typically deals with in an issue. CARYN STARDANCER: Our focus is the use of belief systems and abuse together - members are everyone from those who have experienced ritualistic torture, political torture, religious torture, mind control, government mind control. Basically it's across the board because our focus is to help people get out of a traumatic conditioned response lifestyle. The way we address it - it's a non-profit organization - we have a real eclectic kind of approach - we talk about politics, we talk about recovery, personal experience. We allow people the ability to do their art and their writing. As well we have sections for teens, Gen-X, family members, partners, children (survivors and children of survivors). We take a broad approach - this type of abuse impacts every aspect of a person's humanity. You have to address every aspect of that person in order to have healing. And healing is what we are really interested in - freedom to experience free will, a quality of life they may never have known. GAIL FISHER-TAYLOR: I think fortunately the litigation in Canada has not gone so berserk as it has in the States. In terms of litigation Canada tends to be more conservative and there are fortunately more barriers to litigation. Although I do think it's on the increase and we tend to be often about 10 years behind the US. I would say the backlash has had a tremendous effect - an impact on therapists who are treating survivors and it certainly has had an impact on survivors who are recalling this kind of abuse. As they uncover what has happened to them, they have a certain kind of resistance that is protective, to wanting to believe this themselves - so when the environment is feeding back to them that this doesn't exist, or can't exist, and there is all the false memory propaganda, as I like to call it - in the media - I think it has quite a harmful impact on survivors. On the other hand, one of the things that is happening
Re: [CTRL] United States of Urantia? I don't think so.
-Caveat Lector- Kinda wrote for the purposes of my assimilation . The Thought Adjusters are actual spirit fragments of the Universal Father. They come to every child with a normal mind when they are about 6 years old. Good excuse to harass parents who are producing 'abnormal children', remove the kids for 'true education' and to put the parents in a camp somewhere to help them with their 'concentration' ... :) The first moral decision that the child makes is the signal for the arrival of the Adjuster. They are our super-conscious. We are seldom conscious of their work. Sometimes during a crisis or human calamity, they are able to break through our animal minds and directly communicate with us. An amoral child is a bad child The Adjuster's goal is to spiritualize our thinking, to make our minds and personalities more "divine" so that they can better communicate with us. It is possible for the Adjuster to directly communicate with their human subjects when the person has reached a certain level of personality perfection. possible career strategy there then ... ? Be glad you have an Adjuster Andrew, me and my adjuster will fuse when I get uploaded into a mainframe at point of organic death - this sounds like a Cyborgisation of Christianity and freedom Forgive me kinda, you're entitled to your beliefs, but this stuff really sounds like a post apocalyptic philosophy to assimilate the Christian Fundamentalist Masses in the USA into an Implant and Control scenario. It will be one of several such scams run by quasi government agencies to prepare and desensitise the more reactionary masses for a tighter control of freedoms - but that's just my opinion. My adjuster, kinda, is the suffrage of my mother and father and their fathers and mothers, and my self respect and love for life. I cannot justify in my life experience the need for exogenous control from any source - or I am a Slave to Morons - but I will die - and maybe others will believe how wonderful it is to be guided to factories and then switched off at night to conserve the resources of the Holy Mainframe. meantime - not me please ... Andrew Hennessey Your eternal survival will have become a fact. it is a fact now. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Forward 1776misc list: Chelsea's Half Brother -- Inspires my best Tirade of the New Year so far!
-Caveat Lector- Bruce wrote: Thanks Bill Already have his picture posted on my site. ;o) http://www.phonet.com/bsimon/ Feminists must be pulling there hair out right about now.. the ultimate dead beat dad.. hahaha Bruce My reply: Feminists are NOT pulling their hair out. The hard core Feminists - such as dead-eyed Gloria Steinem and horror-movie candidate Betty Freidan -- have never been interested in women, only in ushering in an evil anti-Christian society ruled by them and their ideological brethren and sistren. Their ability to defend Clinton now frustrates and infuriates our side because we have scruples and can't understand what kind of a demonized mind doesn't. If they had an OUNCE of respect for women they wouldn't call their destructive organization the National Organization for Women, when they know darn well their organization makes most women PUKE (figuratively). Naturally that's just another one of their brazen propaganda assaults on us. They should be called National Organization for Some Very Few Women (Even with FULL backing by the evil Big TV networks since the 60's, NOW STILL doesn't have but a fraction of the members of the much younger Concerned Women For America. Most of the "normal" women who have fallen for their line have been horribly abused (I'm not speaking physically here) by an immature man, often moved in that direction by soft-porn corrupters like Hugh Hefner. WHICH REMINDS ME -- NOW has taken money from Playboy over the years, $50,000 in one instance about 10 years ago -- WHY? Because Playboy and NOW are part of the same assault on Christian America, they are soul mates and they like each other. Feminists who criticize the soft porn industry are drummed out of the NOW-type organizations and given NO FURTHER PUBLICITY to speak of by the evil Big TV networks. Predator Hugh Hefner was quoted by The Weekly Standard a few months ago as saying that the issue of whether Clinton stays or goes is the FINAL conflict in the cultural war -- if Clinton stays, the forces of evil represented by Playboy and NOW have, in Hefner's judgement won --- and THAT's why every moral reprobate in the country is rising frantically to Clinton's defense, from the demented tirade by Smart-Alec Baldwin on Conan O'Brien's show, to the shocking cowardice of the Republican weasels in the Senate who want to find "a way out" of this Senate Trial business quickly. (In most cases, I suspect they really want to find a way out for themselves before THEIR skeletons are hauled out of the closet.) Two final points: 1) The Big Media's guilty role in this was also underscored when a beautiful Penthouse Whatever of the Year, used the microphone at HER OWN AWARD ceremony to denounce Penthouse and the Soft Porn Industry as anti-woman. ALL FOUR OF THE evil Big TV networks censored this story and I only happened to find out about it and to see a picture of the woman at the ceremony due to the Spotlight Weekly's coverage of the incident. This was a GREAT story with a very "media-friendly" subject who would have attracted great ratings -- but her message was wrong -- so it was ruthlessly censored (like so much else) by these evil Big TV networks, which have to much in common with the Soviet's Pravda. 2) One of the biggest whammys against women have been the Playboy mentality spawning the greatly increased phenomenon of 40 year old men trading in their wife for two 20's (just kidding, that was my late grandmother's favorite lines) -- but middle age men DO trade in their wife and the kids they had by her for another, often a younger, woman; then NOW arranged so that the courts treat the mother with all the kids and the traitor-Dad just about equally, forcing the woman to work and abandon her kids, who are now more or less latch-key kids. Ask one of these mother's who have been left with the two, three, four, five, or six kids after the Dad goes elsewhere to play "house" --- about what kind of "liberation" the NOW she-devils have secured for HER. Jim Condit Jr. -Original Message- From: 1776misc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B. Simon Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chelsea's Half Brother Date sent: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:39:26 -0500 Send reply to: 1776misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: $$-BillsBest-$$ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Bills Best Coins Subject:Chelsea's Half Brother To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Bill Already have his picture posted on my site. ;o) http://www.phonet.com/bsimon/ Feminists must be pulling there hair out right about now.. the ultimate dead beat dad.. hahaha Bruce Little Danny Williams, now 13, fathered by our Prez.story breaking in NY Post 1/4/99 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid
Re: [CTRL] Hawk: You forced me to laugh out loud! Thanks.
-Caveat Lector- Thanks, Hawk! I don't think there's any better way to compact into one sentence the full absurdity of otherwise intelligent Americans who accept the criminal elitist usurpation of that function (voting at election time) which determines the ENTIRE direction of our government. For those who want to get in on the joke, read below. I laughed out loud, and while I laugh a lot to myself or quietly, there have only been a few lines in my adult life which have forced me to unexpectedly laugh out loud. Jim Condit Jr. Yes, its the same kind of "efficiencies" that regulate what percentage slot machines return to the suckers that play them... Hawk -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hawk Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - VotingC... -Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: I have to admit to being more than a tad suspicious of anything which the Libertarians or conservatives find appealing. The Libertarians sound appealing [snip] much of what was said at their convention in 1996 and it became plain that the party leaders are mostly interested in avoiding taxes. They either believe that it is possible to have a society worth living in without expenses or their top priority is "let George pay for it" where George is you or me. I believe you have Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy and the current system, socialism. Libertarians only want "George" to pay for what "George" uses, without any help from the rest of us. At this point i am not sufficiently familiar with the issue of going back to count the ballot the old fashioned way. Doubtlessly, there are certain efficiencies in automated vote counts for both time and money. Yes, its the same kind of "efficiencies" that regulate what percentage slot machines return to the suckers that play them... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You ARE the Password
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote: Can't help but wonder. If you're at work on a NT system and you have one of these biometric identifiers, can your boss still go into your computer and read your e-mail? Sure, it the boss has been given access rights to your files...depends on how the NT Administrator has set security up... Even if they haven't given your boss the access rights to your files, the NT Admnistrator(s) of your system will always have access rights to all files on the system... If you have something you'd rather others not see, you'd be better off storing it on your desktop's hard drive than on the system drives...best yet would be to store it to floppy and take the floppies back and forth to work with you June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: STRATFOR's 1999 Annual Forecast
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Martin H. Katchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 7:38 PM Subject: Fw: STRATFOR's 1999 Annual Forecast -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 3:55 PM Subject: STRATFOR's 1999 Annual Forecast _ Need to Know Something Fast? Try STRATFOR's Find Facts Service Visit http://www.stratfor.com/findfacts/index.asp Or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Global Intelligence Update Red Alert January 4, 1999 1999 Annual Forecast: A New and Dangerous World SUMMARY * Russia will begin the process of recreating old Soviet empire in 1999. The most important question of 1999: will Ukraine follow Belarus into federation with Russia? * Russia and China will be moving into a closer, primarily anti- American alliance in 1999. * Asian economies will not recover in 1999. Japan will see further deterioration. So will China. Singapore and South Korea will show the strongest tendency toward recovery. * China will try to contain discontent over economic policies by increasing repression not only on dissidents, but the urban unemployed and unhappy small business people. Tensions will rise. * Asia will attempt to protect itself from U.S. economic and political pressures. Asian economic institutions, like an Asian Monetary Fund, will emerge in 1999. * The Serbs, supported by the Russians, will test the United States in Kosovo. There is increasing danger of a simultaneous challenge from Serbia and Iraq, straining U.S. military capabilities dramatically. * The main question in Europe will be Germany's reaction to the new Russia. The Germans will try to avoid answering that question for most of the year. * Latin America appears ready to resume its economic expansion, beginning late in 1999. FORECAST The Post-Cold War world quietly ended in 1998. A new era will emerge in 1999. It will appear, for a time, to be not too dissimilar to what came before it, but looks can be deceiving. In fact, we have entered an era with a fundamentally different global dynamic than the previous era. We should not think of the period 1989-1998 as an era. It was an interregnum, a pause between two eras. 1999 will see a more conventional, natural world, in which other great powers in the world will unite to try to block American power. In 1998 the United States worried about Serbia, Iraq and North Korea. In 1999, the United States will be much more concerned with Russia, China, France and Japan. The world will not yet be a truly dangerous place, but it will begin the long descent toward the inevitable struggle between great powers. Two forces are converging to create this world. The first is the recoil of Russia from its experiment in liberalism. The other is the descent of Asia into an ongoing and insoluble malaise that will last for a generation and reshape the internal and external politics of the region. In a broader sense, this means that the Eurasian heartland is undergoing terrific stress. This will increase tensions within the region. It will also draw Eurasian powers together into a coalition designed to resist the overwhelming power of the world's only superpower, the Untied States. Put differently, if the United States is currently the center of gravity of the international system, then other nations, seeking increased control over their own destinies, will join together to resist the United States. Russia will pose the first challenge. Asia will pose the most powerful one. Russia Begins its Quest to Recover Great Power Status The die has been cast in Russia. We wrote in our 1998 Forecast http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/1998.asp: "Whether or not Yeltsin survives politically or personally is immaterial. The promise of 1991 has become an untenable nightmare for the mass of Russians. The fall of Communism ushered in a massive depression in the Russian economy while simultaneously robbing it of its global influence." In 1998 we saw the consequences of this. The reformers in Russia were systematically forced out of power. Power seeped out of Yeltsin's hands. Finally, a new Prime Minister was selected -- the former head of the KGB's international espionage apparatus. A restoration of sorts is well under way in Russia. Personalities are unimportant. What is important is that in 1998, the massive failure of the reformers resulted in their being forced from power. The West, which had invested in Russia, realized that it would never recover those investments nor many of the loans they made. As a result, investment and credit ceased flowing into Russia and, therefore, Western influence plummeted. There was no reason to appease the West if no further money was forthcoming. The Russian love affair with
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June == = The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers == = * ---* revcoal AT connix DOT com * ---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. * * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = === To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA261 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:31:50 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 6:43:51 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 20789745 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:43:51 -0500 Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- Hey pal, i said STOP BICKERING. You come on here with your high and mighty attitude. Do you want to make something of it you sanctimonious crabfish!!! MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June == = The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers == = * ---* revcoal AT connix DOT com * ---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. * * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = === To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA261 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:31:50 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 6:43:51 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- Hey schmuck, it's people like you who give this list a bad name. I was willing to support you with your 'Death Of Diana' transcript and the subsequent effect on your life - well you can forget it. I don't need this shit. I have enough on my plate with the weekly meetings, newsletters, European Society gatherings and the government fucking 24 hour watch on my premises. Now unless you have something constructive to add to the list please leave us alone and finish your book. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey Finkster, how dare you come on here and bark at me like some little Junkyard Dog!!! I know of you and your so called "Society" - The Source, and all you are is a bunch of scaremongering propagandists, so why don't you crawl back under you little rock, and leave the rest of us to it. SCHMUCK -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 11:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- Hey pal, i said STOP BICKERING. You come on here with your high and mighty attitude. Do you want to make something of it you sanctimonious crabfish!!! MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June == = The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers == = * ---* revcoal AT connix DOT com * ---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. * * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always
[CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- SnoOwl: On this one, I am in total agreement with you. This feces is getting sickening! If this turns out to be a farce, as so many of Drudge's "reports" have proven to be, here's hoping Clinton sues this man a new bung-hole. No one is served by this kind of tripe. Edward The absolute nastiness of this sort of stuff is that Drudge and his like know that it doesn't matter if the story is true or not. The story will stick in the public mind and no one will pay much attention to the refutation--if and when it comes. This is the total corruption of journalism and does not relate to "news." It is the very core of character assassination--whether it has to do with Richard Jewel or Bill Clinton or whoever. And this group is suspect for being titillated by this kind of garbage. Let Drudge wait until the DNA test comes through. Only then is there a story.or no story at all. The name of Drudge's story is "The Humiliation of the U.S. President." No one deserves to be treated this way in the press. Even Larry Flynt knows better. sno0wl []===[] "Go for goats, Bill. They don't talk." Yasser Arafat http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Talk to the planet. Subscribe to Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2 []===[] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- Listen PAL!, I wanted to keep this quiet, but you will not let go, your psuedo friendship has caused nothing but grief. A couple of TEST facts that I gave you, have come back to haunt me. I don't know to what extent you are connected to THEM, all I know is that you are connected. You have betrayed me, lied to me and others on this list, and now you expect me to quietly go away, I don't think so. I have faced bigger threats than you, and come through. I am making this public as a declaration, that should anything happen, people will know that you are in some way inextricably linked to it. The government is INDEED watching your premises 24 hours/day, BECAUSE it is a government run facility. I know that you were the one that took the papers from my front room during your last "social" visit. I know that these papers are now at your offices and the only way for me to get them back (you think) is for me to co-operate and put the issue to bed. Well I won't, for myself, for the hard work I have put in, for my family's suffering, and for people like me who truly know that there is more to be uncovered regarding this incident. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 11:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- Hey schmuck, it's people like you who give this list a bad name. I was willing to support you with your 'Death Of Diana' transcript and the subsequent effect on your life - well you can forget it. I don't need this shit. I have enough on my plate with the weekly meetings, newsletters, European Society gatherings and the government fucking 24 hour watch on my premises. Now unless you have something constructive to add to the list please leave us alone and finish your book. MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey Finkster, how dare you come on here and bark at me like some little Junkyard Dog!!! I know of you and your so called "Society" - The Source, and all you are is a bunch of scaremongering propagandists, so why don't you crawl back under you little rock, and leave the rest of us to it. SCHMUCK -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 11:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- Hey pal, i said STOP BICKERING. You come on here with your high and mighty attitude. Do you want to make something of it you sanctimonious crabfish!!! MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Jesse M Dolan wrote: Hold on, I was the person who asked Teo if he was on Art Bell. Because I was the one who started this whole thread of messages and somehow a simple question turns into a strange fight or something. Hah! She can't even remember her own posts from those of other people! :-7 Anyone else here totally confused. I for one am...she went off on me a few weeks ago when I posted a teasing reply to something she had posted regarding people from New England -- took it as a personal affront... She apparantly had the same knee-jerk reaction to my satiric reply to Teo... She's sent me a private email saying she takes teasing as a personal insult...in which case, she'd be better off not even getting on the Internet, if the few teases from me get's her so bent out of shape, she'll go off the deep end when some really serious DEBATES get started...she needs to develop a thicker skin... She seems to be a person who can't take any criticism, even of a light and teasing type...one can only imagine what we'll see from her when someone REALLY takes her to task on some subject... I think that everyone is getting confused and that simple jokes were getting misunderstood as insults. Thank you. Anyone who's been on this list for any amount of time knows that _I_ have been here for some time too...and that what I posted is extremely mild compared to what I COULD post (and have in the past)... I don't go looking for meaningless fights like Lynne seems to want to pick...but I don't run from them when they go out their way to find me, either... June == = The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year,
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 8:25:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On this one, I am in total agreement with you. This feces is getting sickening! If this turns out to be a farce, as so many of Drudge's "reports" have proven to be, here's hoping Clinton sues this man a new bung-hole. No one is served by this kind of tripe. Other than the wife beating story, please post a list of Drudge reports that have been farces. I must have missed them. Thanks, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 12:59:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Teo FWIW, I am NOT June. Only know her through this list. Duh !!! If you wish to hallucinate that I am her, go for it but AND A BIG BUT at that, I AM NOT JUNE AND WILL NEVER BE ANYONE BUT LYNNE so wake up and smell the roses Teo, and g et your people straight. Lynne M Giles and no one else but Lynne I NEVER said you were! I merely quoted an article that was written by June which included your name in the header so it may have appeared that I was referring to you when I was referring to June. Sorry for the confusion. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 1:03:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, all, I only sign up with one ISP and am not using any false names. Usually it is the ones who do the accusing of doing such a thing that are actually doing it. Now to get off my soapbox and pardon me to all get out for DARING to add a bit of levity by the post I sent earlier in the day about great minds. Guess I was mistaken about some minds (now if you want to continue insults, let's go for it) Lynne Let's just take it easy here. Don't you think you are getting carried away here? Someone just having a little fun, don't take it so seriously. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Koreana: North: 01-04
-Caveat Lector- From Int'l Herald Tribune Paris, Monday, January 4, 1999 North Korea Becoming Increasingly Bellicose A Threat to Wipe Out America 'for Good' By Nicholas D. Kristof New York Times Service TOKYO - With warnings like its latest threat to wipe American imperialists ''from this planet for good,'' North Korea seems to have grown more hard-line and militarized in recent months, and some experts fear a major security crisis on the Korean Peninsula later this year. Tensions are rising in particular because of North Korea's missile tests and suspicions that it is secretly developing nuclear weapons in a constellation of underground complexes around the country. The result is a stalemate between North Korea and the West, on top of what appears to be growing mutual distrust and a disillusionment on each side for the other. ''The situation will be very, very dangerous in the next few months,'' said Han Park, a political scientist and North Korea specialist at the University of Georgia. The stalemate is threatening to destroy the 1994 Agreed Framework, which has been widely touted as one of President Bill Clinton's major foreign policy successes and has been the centerpiece of Western efforts to achieve a lasting peace on the Korean Peninsula. The agreement was the culmination of a tense confrontation in the summer of 1994 that U.S. officials now acknowledge took them much closer to war with North Korea than was generally realized, and if it falls apart the danger of war could again loom on the peninsula. Under the Agreed Framework, North Korea was to give up its nuclear program, and in exchange the West was to supply fuel oil and a kind of nuclear reactor that cannot easily be used to produce nuclear weapons. North Korea has a taste for threats and brinkmanship, so it is entirely possible that last-minute solutions will be found. Still, if the stalemate continues, then some analysts warn that the United States could face a confrontation with North Korea similar to the one it already faces with Iraq, except that North Korea is believed to have nuclear and chemical weapons and probably has the ability to kill millions of people in the course of losing a war. The immediate challenge is the mystery surrounding several North Korean underground complexes burrowed into hillsides. There is no conclusive evidence about precisely what North Korea is doing in those tunnels, near the town of Kumchangri and in several other spots. But some experts say that the appearance and organization of the underground sites, chemical analyses of dirt samples, and signs of testing of the triggers used to detonate nuclear weapons all indicate a strong likelihood that the underground complexes are being used to develop nuclear weapons. North Korea is refusing American demands to inspect the complexes, although it has held out the possibility of a deal in which it would get large amounts of money or food aid in exchange for allowing visits. Congressional Republicans have enacted conditions that will make it difficult for the administration to provide fuel oil to North Korea - a key United States obligation under the Agreed Framework - unless the suspicions about the underground complexes are cleared up. The results of a single inspection may be ambiguous, so doubters want regular inspections of up to a dozen sites. ''Even if there's a one-time access to the underground site, that may mean that the temporary crisis is over, but it doesn't resolve the longer-term issue,'' said Han Sung Joo, who was South Korean foreign minister when the Agreed Framework was reached. What would happen if the stalemate is not resolved, leading the United States to stop shipping oil and causing the agreement to fall apart? ''Our only option will be to go nuclear and do it publicly,'' said Kim Myong Chol, an influential North Korean writer and editor who lives in Tokyo and serves as an unofficial spokesman for his country. ''North Korea will fabricate nuclear warheads to target Japan and America as major targets and will sell nuclear weapons to any country, to the highest bidder.'' ''Maybe there will be a new war,'' Mr. Kim said after offering wishes for the new year. ''Maybe you and I will all die in Tokyo!'' It may be in North Korea's interest to emphasize the risks ahead, to encourage compromise from Washington. But American diplomats also warn that a breakdown in the Agreed Framework could lead North Koreans to revive their nuclear program. Under the framework, North Koreans froze operations at its reactors in the city of Yongbyon and ''canned'' the fuel rods there to keep them safe. Stephen Bosworth, the U.S. ambassador to South Korea, said in a speech a few days ago that if the Agreed Framework fell apart, North Koreans might quickly reverse those steps. ''They could uncan and
[CTRL] Arabiana: 01-04
-Caveat Lector- From ArabicNews.CoM Saudi Arabia says convening Arab summit requires good preparations for success Saudi Arabia, Politics, 1/2/99 Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz, Saudi Arabia's second deputy prime minister and minister of defense and aviation denied that Riyadh is hesitant toward attending an Arab summit. He said that Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Cooperation Council states want the summit meeting to have solid preparations and to be based on genuine efforts to serve the Arab and Islamic states. Prince Sultan renewed Saudi Arabia's refusal to use its territories to launch strikes against Iraq, saying "Saudi Arabia was never asked to and it will not agree on such a procedure." The Saudi prince said "I do not believe that there is an escalation between our brothers in Iraq and the United States, where it is a misunderstanding, and I hope that our brothers in Iraq could know their interests well, and so our friends as well, have to seek Iraq's interest. "In the end the solution will be that everybody has to stick to the United Nations and Security Council resolutions," he said, adding that his country opposes the escalation of the crisis and hoped to calm the crisis down. Tariq Aziz accuses Crown Prince Hassan of intervening in Iraq's affairs Iraq, Politics, 1/2/99 Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz has accused Jordan's Crown Prince Hassan of intervening in Iraq's affairs and criticized Crown Prince Hassan as well as of not denouncing last month's US - British military actions against Iraq. Aziz' stated that Crown Prince Hassan has committed the same fault as Jordanian officials who in return behaved as they were the regents of the Iraqi people. Crown Prince Hassan confirmed during the Arab parliamentarians' meeting in Amman last Sunday that Jordan hopes that Iraq's people could enjoy freedom and democracy. Aziz stated that during the meeting Crown Prince Hassan overlooked the topic about which they all gathered -- the US -- British military action against Iraq. Kuwait calls for final solution to Iraqi problem before it will attend a summit Kuwait, Politics, 1/2/99 Kuwait's permanent delegate at the Arab League told ArabicNews.com that he informed Arab League Secretary General Esmat Abdul Meguid of his country's refusal to participate in any Arab summit attended by the Iraqi government. He said that as a precondition to any summit, there must be a reaching of a "radical solution" to the issues and problems resulting from the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, problems topped by the issue of prisoners of war and the Iraqi recognition of Kuwait's borders according to the resolution of the United Nations Security Council. Kuwait's delegate also called for not raising the issue of "uplifting sanctions from the Iraqi government" in any Arab summit, as this issue is considered a UN Security Council's concern. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elizabeth Dole May Run For President
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 7:45:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elizabeth Dole is planning to step aside as president of the American Red Cross in a step her political supporters hope will lead to her running for president Hey, anybody who can sit in a big office at the Red Cross should make a good Republican president. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- MARK wrote: -Caveat Lector- HAWK, sometimes you are a really good source of information. BUT LEAVE OFF WHAT YOU DONT KNOW I believe I asked a question Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Future-Cities] Theocratic Cities in Space. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 9:32:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does it make any substantial difference as to what the "religionists" and their clergy have to say or not concerning their structure and functioning? Well, if it's a David Koresh offshoot, you would have to plan for residences with one humongous apartment for a harem plus dorm space for the men. If it were an operation like Elizabeth Clare Prophet runs, it would mostly be underground to prepare for Armageddon. I hope this helps. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] An Perfect Dozen
-Caveat Lector- Probably seen before ... if not, here y'are! Joke du Jour (tm) Set 1. Volume 13; Issue 3. Jan 3, 1999 Some jokes ask for no comments. LadyHawke ~*~*~*~*~*~* "The Politically Correct 12 Days of Christmas" On the twelfth day of the Eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my true love gave to me... Twelve males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming. Eleven pipers piping. (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in good standing of the Musician's Union, as called for in their union contract even though they will not be asked to play a single note.) Ten melanin-deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling class system leaping. Nine persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression. Eight economically disadvantage female persons stealing milk products from enslaved Bovine-Americans. Seven endangered swans swimming on federally protected wetlands. Six enslaved Fowl-Americans producing non-human animal products. Five golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration. (Note: After a member of the Animal Liberation Front threatened to throw red paint on my computer, the calling birds, French hens and partridge have been reintroduced into the wild. To avoid further animal-American enslavement, the remaining have been revised.) Four hours of recorded whale songs. Three deconstructionist poets. Two Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed trees. And a Spotted Owl activist chained to an old-growth pear tree. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hello dere, chilluns
-Caveat Lector- Lord, have mercy. My, My, My aren't we all a bit silly and sad. Please take the bickering off list. And I get accused of wasting bandwidth! Mark, What is the book you are writing? Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tom DeLay
-Caveat Lector- Who has fax numbers for Delay, Graham? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- Edward Britton wrote: -Caveat Lector- SnoOwl: On this one, I am in total agreement with you. This feces is getting sickening! If this turns out to be a farce, as so many of Drudge's "reports" have proven to be, here's hoping Clinton sues this man a new bung-hole. No one is served by this kind of tripe. Edward The absolute nastiness of this sort of stuff is that Drudge and his like know that it doesn't matter if the story is true or not. The story will stick in the public mind and no one will pay much attention to the refutation--if and when it comes. This is the total corruption of journalism and does not relate to "news." It is the very core of character assassination--whether it has to do with Richard Jewel or Bill Clinton or whoever. And this group is suspect for being titillated by this kind of garbage. Let Drudge wait until the DNA test comes through. Only then is there a story.or no story at all. The name of Drudge's story is "The Humiliation of the U.S. President." No one deserves to be treated this way in the press. Even Larry Flynt knows better. sno0wl Why are youassuming it's not true? J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Forward 1776misc list: Chelsea's Half Brother -- Inspires ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 2:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kids. Ask one of these mother's who have been left with the two, three, four, five, or six kids after the Dad goes elsewhere to play "house" --- about what kind of "liberation" the NOW she-devils have secured for HER. Listen to SnowOwl, i.e. don't assume that every claim you hear of that is detrimental to President Clinton's reputation must be true. The Clinton bashers make themselves foolish when they do this. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Do stay, Lynn
-Caveat Lector- For God's sake, let the poor creature go. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Feds, FEMA plan military emergency intervention/deployment for domestic control
- SNETNEWS Mailing List (sent to USCMike1's 8,500+ mailing list - please re-post to your own mailing list) Seems like we keep getting continual re-confirmation on federal control, martial law, police SWAT team deployment against U.S. Citizens as Y2K and the New World Order approaches. Are you all prepared for what lies ahead? USCMike1 Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for this post. Date: 99-01-03 15:36:08 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (EAGLEFLIGHT - David E. Rydel) From: "americans" From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:57:30 EST Subject: Fwd: Plans for Emergency Military Powers and Domestic Control Handwriting is on the wall. 6pk http://www.universalprosthesis.com/Y2K/pages/govt/army14.html 1998-04-09 12:13:47 Plans for Emergency Military Powers and Domestic Control http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/97autumn/lujan.htmhttp://c arlisle- www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/97autumn/lujan.htm The following article appreared in PARAMETERS, the scholarly publication of the Army War College. It appeared in Autumn, 1997. The author is a member of the Judge Advocate General's office. The recent moves to consolidate the National Guard and the Army Reserves into http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/1238domestic control units are consistent with what appears here. The legal basis of this transformation of the Army is the Stafford Act (1984; amended, 1988). Since 1993, it has been incorporated into Army strategy under the acronym OOTW: http://www.poop.org/natldebt/nd3/army.htmoperations other than war. Note the importance of FEMA: the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The full text of the Stafford Act is found on http://www.fema.gov/LAWS/Stafact.htm FEMA's Web site. The author warns us: "Civilian and military leaders need to expect an increase in domestic deployments of US military forces." Pay careful attention to these words: "Strategic leaders can take solace in the lessons learned from military participation in domestic disaster relief, for the record indicates that legal niceties or strict construction of prohibited conduct will be a minor concern. The exigencies of the situation seem to overcome legal proscriptions arguably applicable to our soldiers' conduct. Pragmatism appears to prevail when American soldiers help their fellow citizens." Disaster Relief Operations The US Army had a remarkable experience in responding to the devastating onslaught of Hurricane Andrew in south Florida in August 1992; Hurricane Iniki on the island of Kaui in Hawaii one month later evoked a similar response. Both instances provide ample evidence that there is a reliable mechanism to facilitate the employment of active-duty Army units in times of great national disaster. The Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief Act of 1984, as amended in 1988 (42 US Code Section 5121 et seq.), commonly referred to as the Stafford Act after its legislative author, is the authority under which such assistance is provided. The Stafford Act is applicable only within the United States and its territories, and comes into play when a state, usually through its governor, requests a presidential declaration of a state of emergency following a natural disaster. Once a state of emergency is declared, active-duty soldiers can be employed to respond to the crisis under the direction of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). These situations present unique legal issues. . . . The unprecedented destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, on 19 April 1995, raised another important legal issue affecting disaster relief operations. As one might imagine, all the resources of local, state, and federal government agencies were mobilized to deal with this shocking act of domestic terrorism. FEMA served as the primary focal point of relief operations, and Army assets were provided under the terms of the Stafford Act. FEMA officials were on the scene within hours of the explosion, and specialized rescue teams followed closely. The entire reaction has been categorized as a masterful melding of state and federal resources. However, the internal FEMA report[15] underscores a natural tension between the rescue effort and the FBI which may be increasingly important in the future. The FBI, as part of the Department of Justice, determined that the entire area was a crime scene for the purposes of apprehending and successfully prosecuting the perpetrators of the bombing. The rescue effort's only goal was recovering survivors or their remains. This natural conflict must be resolved in order to facilitate the nation's response to the increasing threat of similar incidents. Strategic leaders can take solace in the lessons learned from military participation in domestic disaster relief, for the record indicates that legal niceties or strict construction of prohibited conduct will be a minor concern. The
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: Govt corruption, Organized Crime, GloboCops, Terrorism, G8 meeting
- SNETNEWS Mailing List (sent to USCMike1's 8,500+ mailing list - please re-post to your own mailing list) USCMike1 Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for this post. Subj:.Fwd: Good guys Date: 99-01-03 15:37:12 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (EAGLEFLIGHT - David E. Rydel) From: "americans" [EMAIL PROTECTED] \From:Subj: .Fwd: Good guys Date: 99-01-03 15:37:12 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (EAGLEFLIGHT - David E. Rydel) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:10:20 EST Subject: GLOBOCOPS Check out G8 Ministers on Crime and Terrorist Funding A HREF="http://jya.com/G8-121598.htm"Click here: G8 Ministers on Crime and Terrorist Funding/A 28 December 1998 Source: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1998/December/588ag.htm U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TUESDAY, DECEMBER 15, 1998 - (202) 514-2007 - WWW.USDOJ.GOV TDD (202) 514-1888 JOINT PRESS RELEASE BY G8 JUSTICE AND INTERIOR MINISTERS VIRTUAL MINISTERIAL MEETING ON ORGANIZED CRIME AND TERRORIST FUNDING Justice encountered the Twenty-first Century today as the G8 Ministers responsible for law enforcement "met" today in nine different locations world- wide to discuss their efforts to combat transnational organized crime and terrorist funding. Utilizing video conferencing, the Ministers, chaired by Home Secretary Jack Straw, were able to spend nearly three hours discussing issues without leaving home. This was the first time that a a virtual meeting had been accomplished at Ministerial level among the Eight, and the first time the G8 Justice and Interior Ministers have met since last December in Washington. EU Commissioner Anita Gradin also took part. The Ministers agreed that video conferencing had proved an effective and economical way of keeping in touch, particularly events demand a quick response. ORGANIZED CRIME At their meeting in Washington a year ago the Ministers had tasked the G8 experts on organized crime (the Lyon Group) with two projects: enhancing abilities to investigate and prosecute high-tech crimes, and strengthening extradition and mutual legal assistance regimes to ensure that no criminal can find a safe haven anywhere in the world. More recently, in May, the G8 Summit at Birmingham agreed on a number of additional actions to tackle the threat of international crime. In their virtual meeting today, the Ministers were able to point to the following progress made on these projects: High-tech crime The G8 countries have established a 24 hour network of law enforcement experts capable of responding swiftly to requests for help with investigations that cross international borders, including hacking cases. The network, which is now in use, is open to wider membership and a number of non G8 countries have already joined. The Lyon Group is pursuing consultations with industry, including internet service providers, on preventing criminal use of networks and ensuring traceability of their communications. It is also developing proposals for a legal framework for retrieving electronic evidence swiftly in cases that cut across international borders. Money laundering and confiscation of criminal assets The Birmingham Summit endorsed asset confiscation principles committing the G8 to take effective powers for confiscating criminal proceeds both domestically and at the request of partner countries. A G8 confiscation manual was circulated to practitioners earlier this year. Experts from the U.S., UK and Canada are drafting a model agreement for sharing confiscated assets. G8 experts are coordinating their work with initiatives in other fora on how to deal with jurisdictions which do not comply with recommended standards against money laundering, and on strengthening collaboration between law enforcement agencies and financial regulators. Smuggling of illegal migrants and trafficking in human beings The Ministers took note of progress by experts in developing the strategy, including principles and an action plan, called for by the Birmingham Summit. Experts are pressing ahead to complete this work for submission to the G8 Summit in Cologne next year. G8 experts are developing six operational projects, including operations against forged documents and identified smuggling routes. UN Convention against transnational organized crime Support from G8 countries has played an important part in giving new momentum to negotiations on a UN Crime Convention. G8delegations will collaborate to ensure inclusion of effective and up-to-date measures, for example on money laundering and asset confiscation; and to support protocols on firearms, migrant smuggling and trafficking in human beings. Corruption The G8 Summit on the need to explore ways of combating official corruption arising from large flows criminal money. The Ministers have welcomed the intention of the US Government to host a major international conference in the spring
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] perceptional obstacles
For list readers who do not yet know, The Consortium for Independent Journalism web site is now a free site, at http://www.consortiumnews.com/ Robert Parry, who helped expose the Iran-Contra affair in the face of attempts to cover it up, is one of the founding members. The following are excerpts from the article "Lost History: CIA's Perception Management," by Robert Parry, about domestic psyops and propaganda in the 1980s. http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/lost12.html As one NSC official told me, the campaign was modeled after CIA covert operations abroad where a political goal is more important than the truth. "They were trying to manipulate [U.S.] public opinion ... using the tools of Walt Raymond's trade craft which he learned from his career in the CIA covert operation shop," the official admitted. Another administration official gave a similar description to The Miami Herald's Alfonso Chardy. "If you look at it as a whole, the Office of Public Diplomacy was carrying out a huge psychological operation, the kind the military conduct to influence the population in denied or enemy territory," that official explained. [...] Even after the Iran-contra scandal unraveled in 1986-87 and Casey died of brain cancer, the Republicans fought to keep secret the remarkable story of this public diplomacy apparatus. As part of a deal to get three moderate Republican senators to join Democrats in signing the Iran-contra report, Democratic leaders dropped a draft chapter on the CIA's domestic propaganda role. The American people were thus spared the chapter's troubling conclusion: that a covert propaganda apparatus had existed, run by "one of the CIA's most senior specialists, sent to the NSC by Bill Casey, to create and coordinate an inter-agency public-diplomacy mechanism [which] did what a covert CIA operation in a foreign country might do. [It] attempted to manipulate the media, the Congress and public opinion to support the Reagan administration's policies." It had succeeded. -- Allen L. Barker http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb ** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list moderator
Re: [CTRL] Tobacco capitalists' global offensive.
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: I fear stupidity and and the legitimization of greed. Not freedom and liberty. I fear ideological theories that have no basis in reality. I have actually lived in the type of society you theorize about. I have seen people damage themselves irreparably and even die because those who they lived with weren't sure that they should step in and save them from themselves. It was tragic and unnecessary. Life is more important than freedom. That's what you clowns can't seem to understand. If you really want the kind of freedom you and Von Mises and other Libertarians keep babbling about, then you must live alone so that your freedom has no affect on others. But if your behaviors do affect others, they have the right to limit what you do. It's in the nature of being a social animal. Neither Mao, or Stalin, nor even Hitler at his most elequent could have put it better. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tobacco capitalists' global offensive.
-Caveat Lector- nurev forwarded: "The global perspective: a new opium war" snip While it is the responsibility of each nation to implement their own tobacco control measures, governmental and non-governmental organisations in the USA have a very special responsibility: The exemplar role - showing that 'It can be done.' The message from the USA is that smoking rates can be reduced and that litigation can have a major impact. Von Mises stated in _Human Action_: Opium and morphine are certainly dangerous, habit-forming drugs. But once the principle is admitted that it is the duty of government to protect the individual from his own foolishness, no serious objections can be raised against further encroachments. A good case could be made out in favor of the prohibition of alcohol and nicotine. And why limit the government's benevolent providence to the protection of the individual's body only? Nurev opined: This slippery slope theory is juvenile and stupid. The government might as well repeal all murder laws. Because if the gov. can tell you that you are not smart enough to know that you shouldn't kill anyone, next they'll tell you you can't have sex with children. Or even yell fire in a crowded theater. MJ: What you apparently do not understand is that one's free CHOICE to utilize opium, morphine or tobacco do NOT violate another's 'right' to his OWN life. I do realize freedom is a scary concept to many. Nurev: Freedom is not scary to me. Libertarians are scary to me. They seem to be somewhat adolescent. Like you for example. The above statement is scarily absurd in its lack of reality perception. YOU MUST BE A LIAR to state that crack, heroin, alcohol, and tobacco have no affects on people other than the users. I won't even dignify your idiotic statement with obvious examples of its absurdity. MJ: Your blatant contradictions aside ... I am not nor have I ever claimed to be a Libertarian ... and your logical fallacies do little to bolster your claim. I have no knowledge of your use or non-use of any of the above substances NOR do I know whether or NOT you are 'addicted' to Twinkies or similar. How exactly does your use OR non-use effect me? What YOU freely choose to participate -- so long as it does not violate *my* right to *my* life -- is freedom. By instructing me that I may not utilize tobacco products, you are violating my freedom to choose for myself. Same goes for the other above vices, prostitution, gambling, etc. Von Mises stated in _Human Action_: Is not the harm a man can inflict on his mind and soul even more disastrous than any bodily evils? Nurev opined: No. It's not. MJ: Really? Look at how many idiots run rampant believing THEY know better than others ... and desire the legalized use of FORCE (Government) to enact legislation supporting their delusions. Do tobacco users desire to limit the freedom of others? Nurev: You are just ridiculous man. You are implying that all tobacco users are libertarian in attitude. Libertarianism has damaged your brain. MJ: No, the 'Libertarian' angle is your strawman. And your fallacies continue as does your evasion of the topic. Von Mises stated in _Human Action_: Why not prevent him from reading bad books and seeing bad plays, from looking at bad paintings and statues and from hearing bad music? The mischief done by bad ideologies, surely, is much more pernicious, both for the individual and for the whole society, than that done by narcotic drugs. Nurev opined: Maybe bad ideologies like Von Mises' and Ayn Rand's, but otherwise you can't compare what junkies do to reading bad books and seeing bad plays. MJ: What provides *you* with the grand insight as to which ideologies are *better* than others? Or that such is incomparable with 'junkies' (whatever that might entail? Nurev: The ability to think. MJ: At which point will you begin utilization of this 'ability'? :) Von Mises -- as expressed in the tobacco concern above -- favors FREEDOM, are you stating this is a *bad* ideology? Von Mises stated in _Human Action_: These fears are not merely imaginary specters terrifying secluded doctrinaires. It is a fact that no paternal government, whether ancient or modern, ever shrank from regimenting its subjects' minds, beliefs, and opinions. If one abolishes man's freedom to determine his own consumption, one takes all freedoms away. Nurev opined: I ask anyone reading this to do so out loud a few times and tell me that it isn't an absurd and illogical propagandistic trick to play upon the feeble minded. MJ: What exactly do you find so troubling? Do you
Re: [CTRL] What Koestler actually said
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 9:44:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is dated thinking. It applied a generation ago. The legend of chosenness is part of the Jewish national myth. It applies to those who have converted as well. There is no problem here except that Christians can't usurp that title while Jews continue to exist. IMO this is not quite it. It is true that we Christians have totally usurped the scriptures and beliefs of the Jewish/Hebrew people up to the time of Christ. But i think it gets kind of complex. It has been said of Hitler that that he especially resented the Jews because while Hr, Hitler, babbled about the natural superiority of the Aryan race, he realized that the difference was that the Jews really did believe in their own superiority by virtue of being the Chosen People. This is not it either though it is an interesting theory. I think that it is a matter of some naive but determined Christians thinking that since theirs is the true religion and is built upon Judaism, it is right and natural for the Jews to be converted. They are thwarted and shocked when, after the Christian faith has been explained, the Jews still do not convert. The surprise quickly turns to anger. Martin Luther strongly believed that the Jews simply had not had the Faith explained to them properly but he, Luther, would do it right. Again, disappointment. Luther became one of many anti- Semitic Christians, adding more coals to the Holocaust to come. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Impending Doom?
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.csicop.org/si/9811/martian.html Lead-in to the larger article. Interesting thought about *Y2K*: will there be an *Orson Welles* to lead the masses into the Year Two Thousand, broadcasting the on-going calamities in CNN/Fox/Media in Iraq fashion, but with a slightly different flavour than "war-as-sport" ... will all eyes be riveted to the tube, ears trained to the radio, hands on dials or remotes, waiting, watching, listening ... expectation of the days' doom ? Home : Skeptical Inquirer : November/December 1998 Picture: Cover The Martian Panic Sixty Years Later What Have We Learned? The `War of the Worlds' panic happened sixty years ago, but its lessons are as relevant today as back then. Robert E. Bartholomew Picture: War of the WorldsShortly after 8 o'clock on Sunday evening, October 30, 1938, many Americans became anxious or panic-stricken after listening to a realistic live one-hour radio play depicting a fictitious Martian landing at the Wilmuth farm in the tiny hamlet of Grovers Mill, New Jersey. Those living in the immediate vicinity of the bogus invasion appeared to have been most frightened, although the broadcast could be heard in all regions of the continental United States and no one particular location was immune. The play included references to real places, buildings, highways, and streets. The broadcast also contained prestigious speakers, convincing sound effects, and realistic special bulletins. The drama was produced by a 23-year-old theatrical prodigy named George Orson Welles (1915-1985), who was accompanied by a small group of actors and musicians in a New York City studio of the Columbia Broadcasting System's Mercury Theater. The actual broadcast script was written by Howard Koch, who loosely based it on the 1898 book The War of the Worlds by acclaimed science fiction writer Herbert George (H.G.) Wells (1866-1946). In the original Wells novel, the Martians had landed in nineteenth century Woking, England. Sixty years after the 1938 event, it remains arguably the most widely known delusion in United States, and perhaps world history, and many radio stations around the world continue to broadcast the original play each Halloween eve. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA papers
I've received private mail questioning X's focus on NSA's use of Christianity for "accelerated resocialization" (brainwashing). I asked X if other religions couldn't also be used by the NSA and he replied that they indeed are, as appropriate in various cultures. It would seem to me, though, that Christianity lends itself particularly well because of its emphasis on punishment (I'm not an expert on religion, so correct me if I'm wrong here). Also, as X states: "The NSA prefers Christian chuches because the doctrines allow 'God or Jesus to speak directly to the subject' and the negative reinforcement can be attributed with Satan and the positive rewards can be considered to be blessings from God thereby masking the NSA's technology and processes." Might the same apply to Judaism and Muslim faiths (I'm not familiar with their practices)? Let me be clear here that I am not addressing the validity of specific religious, but only their effectiveness for behavior modification and accelerated resocialization. I am also not attacking specific religions, only pointing out their possible use by unsrupulous manipulators, which would appear to me to include many priests and ministers who themselves also use such brainwashing techniques for their own purposes (power, money, sex, future reward in heaven, etc.) Another effective tool for these purposes appears to be the use of new-age processes, such as meditation (hypnosis) combined with subliminals for inducing delusions of alien visitations, out-of-the-body travel, mass hallucinations of UFOs (as in Greer's UFO contact training), channeled entities, etc. X agreed with that. The Art Bell show and similar talk shows would therefore play a significant (although perhaps unwitting) role in reinforcing these delusions. Behaviorly-modified guests on these shows may be intentionally used by the NSA to convey certain mission-related messages, increase paranoia (as in Dames, Ghostwolf, Scallion, etc.) in the targeted populations, and further accelerate substitution of magical (superstitious) thinking (such as "the quickening," psychic predictions, and remote viewing) for rational thought processes while building up a large, controllable cadre of millions of mind-controlled subjects for future use. In some cases, the guests' connections with intel agencies are blatantly overt, as in the case of Major Ed Dames, and one can suspect more intentional manipulation to achieve psyop strategies, enhanced by their intel-based inside track on planned future actions by U.S. or foreign entities. ** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list moderator
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA papers[2]
I asked X for clarification on some of his statements. Here are his answers. Q: What about situations away from structures and cars? MC victims report hearing voices everywhere, including outside of cities. Could there be a hybrid system employing microwaves or satellites using narrow-beam activation signals and implanted transceivers [transmitter-receivers] receiving transmitted audio for such situations? A: The transceivers have been installed in most remote places where possible with considerations given to climatic conditions and stable bases for installation. Transceivers are also installed in the shallow waters along coasts especially along North and South America to detect spy infiltration (during Cold War in North America) and for War against drugs, currently North, Central and South American Continents). Remember that sound travels under water at about 7x the speed of airborn delivery and therefore provides a better environment. The undersea transceivers are supposed to be much larger then the land based set. Also, effects from posthypnotic triggered suggestions can be experienced by people outside of real-time deliveries. "Most" of the daily misperception experiences of victims are posthypnotically triggered. This is obvious because the NSA does not have the manpower to watch all subjects in the program each minute and therefore they script posthypnotic suggestions that occupy the persons thoughts, that are triggered into action when the subject sees a specific thing, hears a specific thing, or thinks of a specific thing. This is similar to an approach that a hypnotherapist might formulate "you will feel anxiety when you smoke think of smoking a cigarette that will go away immediately when you consciously decide that you will not pick the cigarette up". Implanted transceivers were used in subjects clothing and possessions by the NSA many years ago mainly for tracking subjects through areas not densely occupied by transceivers. Law enforcement and lesser intelligence agencies only use these techniques today and these agencies do not have access to the NSA's subliminal delivery system . . . yet. Q: Since as per SOP [standard operating procedure], you were shown things on a compartmented, need-to-know basis, how can you be sure there are not other mind-control technologies in use in NSA with other types of targets? A: Technology and research does not end with one great success . . . . But I think that you will find that 99% of all MC victims will be experiencing NSA technology. With my disclosure the NSA will start a massive disinformation campaign and you will start to see many perceptual patterns outside the realm of my original paper that focused on only one small application of the three major categories disclosed under Section 3: Applications). In the final analysis, you will probably recognize that their intelligence system combined with their subliminal delivery system will explain 99 % of the reported MC victim symptoms. Q: Regarding devices planted during construction: for older buildings, that would have to be done by black-bag [covert] entry, right? A: Correct. Remember that the NSA has the ability to survey the surrounding buildings and indigent personnel so they can pick their time without possibility of detection. If there is someone setting up a video recording device, either the installation activity or the RF/EMI device emission can be detected and the NSA transceiver installation postponed. In addition, the NSA already has a list of classified personnel that knows ops, hostiles, and others that are in the resocialization process that would be motivated to capture NSA field processes. [See Enemy of the State movie for examples of this procedure. - WT] The NSA routinely accesses personal computers that are not "Tempest" protected through a specialty type of transceiver that can also detect and read the output of law enforcement agencies surveillance equipment and detect other basic types of recording equipment. [See http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html for Van Eck remote computer monitoring techniques and ways to "harden" your PC to avoid detection, although these unclassified countermeasures may not be effective against NSA transceivers. - WT] Q: If there are that many monitoring/speaker devices in buildings, one would expect some of them to have been found. I haven't heard such reports, although I can understand why not. One of my list posters privately told me he's found a number of burst transmitters in consumer electronics devices such as VCRs and computers, so I image that's another technique used, right? A: The average person would not recognize the current transceivers because of the scaling [advanced technology - WT] factor. If the head of one were found, special techniques would have to be used to remove it from the substrate it was installed in without fracturing and destroying the transceiver.
[CTRL] Fwd: Feudalism: You Have Two Cows
Rather funny. Prudy The Original Joke of the Day http://www.joker.org ___ Lazy Man Makes A Fortune In The Stock Market! Free report reveals how you can make $1000 or more each day in the stock market while sitting at your kitchen table. Start building your fortune with as little as $500. Get all the details in the FREE report: The Lazy Mans Way To Make A Fortune In The Stock Market! To get this FREE report, Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter your e-mail address in the body of the message. ___ FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk. PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need. BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need. FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk. RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you. SINGAPOREAN DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment. MILITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you. PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk. REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY: The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate". BRITISH DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad. The government doesn't do anything. BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.. ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows. CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. HONG KONG CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company. The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shiu is bad. ENVIRONMENTALISM: You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them. FEMINISM: You have two cows. They get married and adopt a veal calf. TOTALITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned. COUNTER CULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man. You got to have some of this milk. SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. LIBERTARIANISM: You have two cows. One has actually read the constitution, believes in it, and has some really good ideas about government. The cow runs for office, and while most people agree that the cow is the best candidate, nobody except the other cow votes for her because they think it would be "throwing their vote away." ___ All Natural Trandsdermal Weight Loss NO side effects! NO Pills to take! No Shakes to Drink! JUST PEEL AND STICK!!! 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE For Product info Or TREMENDOUS EARNING OPPORTUNITY: 1 888 899-2308 http://www.indyland.com/trimptch.htm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ The Original Email Joke of the Day! http://www.joker.org To SUBSCRIBE to the Joke of the Day send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Joke of the Day, and to
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 9:53:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look all As far as June is concerned, why doesn't shetell me which chat rooms I supposedly go to and all that stuff. How about a padded one? Seriously, Lynne, have you considered professional help? You obviously have a substantial need to take umbrage. But it sort of gets boring even though many are egging you on. I suggest you keep your peace until you get your head straight. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] World Of The Strange 1/4/99 Part 2 of 2
[Only the first part of this message is displayed. The entire message has been turned into a text attachment, which you can retrieve by selecting Download. Once downloaded, open it with a word processor or text editor for reading.] * * World Of The Strange * Weekly Newsletter of the Paranormal By: Louise A. Lowry This posting is sponsored by: The Paranormal Research Primer http://www.tje.net/para Providing a comprehensive view of many paranormal subjects ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this edition provided that attribution is made to the Author or Authors noted) Visit our WEB Site: http://www.jb-graphics.com/thestrange To Subscribe or Unsubscribe please follow directions at the end of this newsletter Distributed Edited by; Louise A. Lowry [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are missing any parts of (WOTS) please let me know which part by contacting me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I will make sure you get the part that is missing. * The newsletter... Part 2 of 2 # CONTENTS #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 7 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www. cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html G. Stanford, Scientology and the CIA CONTINUATION H. Stanford Allegedly Involved in CIA, Implant/Mind Control Experimentation I. The Long Island Rail Road Massacre #2. Paranormal Writers Contest #3. January's Award Of Excellence From World Of The Strange #4. GHOSTS OF THE PRAIRIE: America's Most Haunted PlacesThe Top Ten By Troy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] # #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 7 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www. cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html Stanford, Scientology and the CIA CONTINUATION Mind control was also used in domestic covert operations designed to further the CIA's heady ambitions, and during the Vietnam War period SRI was a hive of covert political subterfuge. The Symbionese Liberation Army, like the People's Temple, was a creation of th * * World Of The Strange * Weekly Newsletter of the Paranormal By: Louise A. Lowry This posting is sponsored by: The Paranormal Research Primer http://www.tje.net/para Providing a comprehensive view of many paranormal subjects ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this edition provided that attribution is made to the Author or Authors noted) Visit our WEB Site: http://www.jb-graphics.com/thestrange To Subscribe or Unsubscribe please follow directions at the end of this newsletter Distributed Edited by; Louise A. Lowry [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are missing any parts of (WOTS) please let me know which part by contacting me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I will make sure you get the part that is missing. * The newsletter... Part 2 of 2 # CONTENTS #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 7 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www. cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html G. Stanford, Scientology and the CIA CONTINUATION H. Stanford Allegedly Involved in CIA, Implant/Mind Control Experimentation I. The Long Island Rail Road Massacre #2. Paranormal Writers Contest #3. January's Award Of Excellence From World Of The Strange #4. GHOSTS OF THE PRAIRIE: America's Most Haunted PlacesThe Top Ten By Troy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] # #1.THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY: Part 2 Series 7 of 10 Copyright © 1998 John A. Quinn/NewsHawk Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www. cbjd.net/orbit/text/ph.html Stanford, Scientology and the CIA CONTINUATION Mind control was also used in domestic covert operations designed to further the CIA's heady ambitions, and during the Vietnam War period SRI was a hive of covert political subterfuge. The Symbionese Liberation Army, like the People's Temple, was a creation of the CIA. The SLA had at its core a clique of black ex-convicts from Vacaville Prison. Donald DeFreeze, otherwise known as "Cinque", led the SLA. He was formerly an informant for the LAPD's Criminal Conspiracy Section and the director of Vacaville's Black Cultural Association (BCA), a covert mind control unit with funding from the CIA channeled through SRI. The Menlo Park behavior modification specialists experimented with psychoactive drugs administered to members of the BCA. Black prisoners were programmed to murder selected black leaders once on the outside. The CIA/SRI zombie killer hit list included Oakland school superintendent Dr. Marcus Foster, and Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, among others. DeFreeze stated that at Vacaville in 1971-72, he was the subject of a CIA mind control experiment. He described his incarceration on the prison's third floor, where he was
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:04:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are youassuming it's not true? J2 You miss the point, J2. SnowOwl is talking about the responsibility of the news media to not spread every rumor of scandal. Nor is this a responsibility of the news media only. It is one thing to privately think that yes, the SOB is probably guilty of whatever happens to be said about him and it is another for the, so far, unsupported, rumor to be published. Got it? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 1/4/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Single Currency Euro Opens Strong in FX Market The computers are ready PARIS - The new European single currency, the euro, opened strongly in Asia-Pacific currency markets Monday after European central bankers, having worked through the holiday weekend, had pronounced themselves ready for the currency's introduction in European markets. The euro hit trading screens in Sydney at 1800 GMT on Sunday as Australia became the world's first major market to deal in the new currency. The euro opened at $1.1747, higher than the reference rate of $1.17 given Thursday by the European Central Bank, and at 133.20 yen, slightly stronger than the level of 132.80 yen set by the bank. Traders also reported opening trades of 70.8 British pence - higher than the reference rate of 70.5 pence - 1.6110 Swiss francs and 1.9190 Australian dollars. Earlier, in the Bombay market, one of the few that was open New Year's Day, the euro closed Friday at $1.1720. In Tokyo, the euro opened at 133.15 yen, also at 1800 GMT on Sunday - 3 A.M. on Monday, local time - but major trading was not expected to take place until about five hours later, when most traders were due to return from the New Year's weekend. The main test of the new currency's strength against the dollar, analysts said, was expected to come Monday in London, which has the largest segment of the $1.5 trillion-a-day global currency market. The European Central Bank said Sunday that national central banks and commercial finant concentrated data-entry programs in history. ''Throughout the process of conversion undertaken this weekend by the European Central Banking System, there has been no report of any incident that could impede the start'' of trading in euros, the bank said. The central bank, with a staff of fewer than 600, is the pyramid of a system that includes the national banks of the 11 countries adopting the single currency - France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Portugal, Ireland, Finland and Austria. While the central bank has the task of setting monetary targets such as interest and exchange rates, the national banks with more than 65,000 staffers were responsible for watching over the transition to the new currency. National currencies were irrevocably locked into the euro Thursday, turning francs, marks, pesetas, punts, schillings, lire, guilders, escudos and markkaa - which will continue to circulate until the introduction of euro bank notes and coins in 2002 - into subsidiaries of the single currency. The euro instantly became Europe's largest currency for noncash transactions, which account for the vast bulk of movements in the money supply. Over the weekend, tens of thousands of computer technicians, secretaries, dealers and brokers worked to convert trillions of dollars of securities into the new currency. While European finance ministers proclaim that the euro will be a stable and strong currency, too much strength is not entirely welcome news to European economic planners. They fear that if the euro is too strong, it could make it more difficult for Europe's exporters to sell their wares, as a strong currency makes exports more expensive. In Japan, the U.S. currency is weak anyway, having fallen to about 113 yen, its lowest level since October. Analysts said a successful launch of the euro, drawing investments into Europe, could cause even more headaches for the Japanese bond market, which last week fell to its lowest level in more than a year after the government said it planned to issue a record 31.05 trillion yen ($274.17 billion) in bonds this year The Frankfurt-based European Central Bank said the prospect of a successful conversion to the new currency was ''a sign of the quality of the preparatory work carried out in the past months and years by the community of central banks and by private operators in the financial markets.'' Although there have been many dry runs, the first day of trading was certain to be a major challenge for financial systems. Even if the financial system comes through the first day of trading unscathed, it will be several days before market operators will be able to breathe easier. The deputy governor of the Bank of England, David Clementi, warned that commercial banks and financial houses could face ''substantial losses'' because of botched trades or payments sent to the wrong bank. Jean-Claude Trichet, the governor of the Bank of France, said Sunday that Europe's marketplace was an enormously complex system in which even a small error could be magnified with unforeseen results. Merging 11 economies, he said, was like building a spacecraft in which each complex element had to work not only on its own but as part of an integrated system. International Herald Tribune, Jan. 4,
[CTRL] OKC BOMBING CONSPIRACY - District Judge William R. Burkett FRAUDULENT
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:474901"OKC BOMBING CONSPIRACY - District Judge William R. Burkett FRAUDULENT /A - Subject: OKC BOMBING CONSPIRACY - District Judge William R. Burkett FRAUDULENT From: Koleshak--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999 8:09 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following relates to the OKC Bombing Grand Jury, and the sealed indictment made against a book author who sent copies to some of the jurors, which is a completely proper action in the case of a grand jury investigation. === Jon Roland wrote: From: Jon Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IP: OKC-Re: Hoffman: Okla.Statutes Titles 2122 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:21:04 -0800 It appears that folks in Oklahoma are misconstruing their own statutes. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] } == OKLAHOMA STATUTES, TITLE 21, SECTION 388 } } Attempts to influence jurors } } Every person who attempts to influence a juror, or any person summoned or } drawn as a juror, or chosen as arbitrator or appointed a referee, in } respect to his verdict, or decision of any cause or matter pending, or } about to be brought before him, either: } } 1st, By means of any communication oral or written had with him, except in } the regular course of proceedings upon the trial of the cause; } } 2nd, By means of any book, paper, or instrument, exhibited otherwise than } in the regular course of proceedings, upon the trial of the cause; This clearly applies only to a trial jury, as shown by the use of the terms "trial" and "cause". A criminal cause does not commence until a charge is filed. While a grand jury may bring an indictment without a charge being filed, that is not sufficient, without the charge, to commence a cause. The investigation of some incident to try to find the causes of it is not a "cause", and the proceeding of a grand jury is not a trial. Now clauses like the following should apply to a grand jury, but this section clearly does not. } } 3rd, By means of any threat or intimidations; } } 4th, By means of any assurance or promise of any pecuniary or other } advantage; or, And this one, again, clearly only applies to a trial jury. } } 5th, By publishing any statement, argument or observation relating to the } cause, is guilty of a misdemeanor. } } --- } NOTE: Hoffman's book does not constitute testimony sworn before the grand } jury, or testimony sworn to in a preliminary examination and later } presented in written form to the grand jury, as required by law. A grand jury is not required to limit itself to sworn testimony. They are free to research an issue in any way they wish. They can go to a library, read books or newspapers, interview people at random, or conduct their own forensic analysis. That is entirely up to them. No one can tell a grand jury how to conduct an investigation of anything. } --- } } == OKLAHOMA STATUTES, TITLE 22, SECTION 333 } } Evidence before grand jury (excerpts): } } In the investigation of a charge for the purpose of presenting an } indictment or accusation, the grand jury may receive the written testimony } of the witnesses taken in a preliminary examination of the same charge, and } also the sworn testimony prepared by the district attorney without bringing } those witnesses before them, and may hear evidence given by witnesses } produced and sworn before them, and may also receive legal documentary } evidence. The word "may" is permissive, not imperative. The grand jury may also acquire evidence in any other way they wish to. } } == OKLAHOMA STATUTES, TITLE 22, SECTION 258 } } Preliminary examinations and proceedings thereon (excerpts): } } Third: No preliminary information shall be filed without the consent } or endorsement of the district attorney Now here we have a constitutional violation, and one that needs to be attacked. However, the grand jury is not limited to considering only what is filed. They have the power to seek out any evidence, filed or not. } --- } NOTE: Hoffman's book was not presented to the grand jury by the State } Attorney General or his designee (in this case, by Patrick Morgan or } Suzanne Gump). All Hoffman needed to do was contact Morgan or Gump, ask to } be subpoenaed, present his position and a synopsis of his materials, and he } could have given his book to the grand jurors in the proper manner } prescribed by law. Many witnesses, including General Partin, obtained the } proper subpoena in the proper manner, and thus were able to present their } materials in accordance with the laws governing the grand jury procedure. } No one who asked to testify was denied the right to do so, regardless of } the nature of their testimony. Now,
[CTRL] Big Media pushing Liddy Dole to succeed Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:474893"Big Media pushing Liddy Dole to succeed Clinton?/A - Subject: Big Media pushing Liddy Dole to succeed Clinton? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman) Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999 7:41 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is Big Media pushing Liddy Dole on the eve of the impeachment trial when her hubby came out against impeachment? And pray tell, what are Liddy Dole's QUALIFICATIONS for being President other than being a high-profile wife of a Washington establishment insider heading a major bureaucracy?? Ah, those Trilateralists at work again... - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Court to Hear Trade Center Dispute
Court to Hear Trade Center Dispute By Joel StashenkoAssociated Press WriterMonday, January 4, 1999; 10:44 a.m. EST ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- New York's highest court will hear arguments this week into whether the operator of the World Trade Center must turn over documents to victims of the 1993 bombing about the complex's vulnerability to such attacks. Lawyers for victims of the attack, which killed six people and injured 1,000, are suing the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the center. They contend that the agency had been warned as early as 1985 about the complex's susceptibility to a bomb attack in its underground parking garages. Victor Kovner, a lawyer for a coalition of bombing victims, will argue before the Court of Appeals on Tuesday that the 62 documents are ``pivotal'' to proving that the Port Authority is liable for damages because of its alleged negligence at responding to security concerns. The Port Authority has argued unsuccessfully before two lower courts that the documents the victims are seeking are confidential communications, exempt because disclosure could harm the public interest. Port Authority lawyer Milton Pachter plans to argue that releasing the documents ``would create a serious danger to the members of the public'' because terrorists could glean information to aid a future attack. Kovner counters that the Port Authority is seeking a ``radical and unwarranted expansion of the bounds of privilege.'' Included in group bringing the suit are relatives of those killed, people who were injured and companies which say they lost millions by being displaced from the building in the weeks following the blast. Four militant Muslims said they plotted the bombing to protest the United States' foreign policy in the Middle East. They were each sentenced to 240 years in prison. The victims say the most damning documents held by the Port Authority are consultants' analyses of an in-house security study conducted in 1985. That report said the center's underground garages posed a security problem and recommended measures such as random inspection of vehicles for explosives. The bombers left the explosives in a rental van parked in one of the lots. Lower courts have ruled that the documents must largely be released, except for some sensitive information about police informants. The Court of Appeals is expected to rule on the case within a few months. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas
[CTRL] S. Korea to Repay $1 Billion to IMF
Is anyone else concerned with IMF's interest in S. Korea? Hilary S.Korea to Repay $1 Billion to IMF Monday, January 4, 1999; 7:30 a.m. EST SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- South Korea will repay $1 billion more in loans from the International Monetary Fund this week, the Ministry of Finance and Economy said today. The government will repay the loan on its maturing date Friday, ministry officials said. It will be South Korea's second repayment to the IMF, following a payment of $2.8 billion in December. South Korea was forced to accept an IMF loan in late 1997 to bail out its faltering economy, but has received only $28.7 billion of the $58 billion package. The nation began repaying part of the money last month as its trade and current account surpluses grew. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas
[CTRL] Bin Laden, Saddam Team for Terror
BIN LADEN, SADDAM TEAM FOR TERRORBy TOM TOPOUSIS THE NEW YORK POST Saddam Hussein is joining forces with Islamic fundamentalist Osama bin Laden to launch a joint terror counterstrike against the United States and Britain, a new report says. Feeling the sting of a U.S. bombing campaign, Saddam has reached out to the millionaire mastermind of the two U.S. embassy bombings in Africa - hoping to tap into bin Laden's network of terrorists, Newsweek says in this week's edition. An Arab intelligence expert, reported to know Saddam personally, told the magazine that very soon, you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity by the Iraqis. The source claims that the joint attacks would be aimed primarily at U.S. and British targets in the Islamic world. The contacts between Saddam and bin Laden have so far been limited to lower-level agents, according to U.S. intelligence sources cited by the magazine. An alliance would match Saddam's weapons - including easy-to-hide biological agents - and bin Laden's force of terror zealots. Bin Laden is known to have coveted biological and chemical weapons. A U.S. cruise-missile attack against bin Laden targeted a factory that he owns in Sudan, where the United States believes he was trying to manufacture chemical weapons. In an interview with Newsweek at his desert camp in Afghanistan, bin Laden confirmed that civilian Americans are as much a target as the military or government agencies. Muslim scholars have issued [a religious order] against any American who pays taxes to his government, said bin Laden. He is our target, because he is helping the American war machine against the Muslim nation. Bin Laden has been waging a public-relations war, granting interviews to both Newsweek and Time magazines. Clutching an AK-47 automatic rifle at his side, bin Laden conceded to Time that he instigated the attack on the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. But he falls short of taking the blame. Our job is to instigate and, by the grace of God, we did that, said bin Laden. I did not order [the attacks], but was very glad for what happened to the American spies in East Africa, the Saudi exile told Newsweek. Meanwhile, U.N. officials are trying to convince Baghdad not to ban American and British nationals from working on humanitarian teams in Iraq. The talks are aimed at averting a new crisis just two weeks after the United States and Britain ended airstrikes to punish Baghdad for refusing to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspections. The U.N. officials said Baghdad told them it was concerned for the safety of Americans and Britons in Iraq after the raids, and would not renew visas for them. Diplomats said Iraq's decision could affect 18 American and British citizens working throughout Iraq for the U.N. humanitarian programs. = Together We Create Heaven on Earth[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas
[CTRL] !!!Shell head office being occupied now!!!
UKOOA (UK Oil Overthrow Association) News release 9am Monday, January 4, 1999 Shell: Head Office Occupied Activists give taste of protests to come At 9am environmental and human rights protesters began occupying management offices in Shell-Mex House, The Strand, London. The activists are barricaded into the offices and are refusing to leave. This is in solidarity with indigenous resistance to oil giant Royal Dutch/Shell in Nigeria and to give a foretaste of direct action to come. Today is the first day of work in the last year before the new Millenium. The activists have chosen this day to send a message to Shell and other transnational corporations that 1999 will be a year of increased globalisation of protest, and the turning point that they say will see the end of corporate dominance. January 4 is also Ogoni Day, celebrated since 1993 when Shell was forced from Ogoni in the oil-rich Niger Delta by non-violent mass mobilisation. Throughout 1997-98, occupations of oil facilities by the Ijaw ethnic group of southern Nigeria have grown in number and degree, cutting Nigeria=92s oil output by up to one third. Now the Ijaws have told Shell and other oil companies to quit their land by January 11, 1999 - or face eviction by the people. Killings by Shell-backed troops have already claimed the lives of at least 20 Ijaws since the first deadline expired on 30 December. The protesters in London are demanding compliance with the Ijaw=92s demands to leave their traditional lands and for an end to corporate-backed military repression. Live footage of the protest will be relayed directly from Shell's own offices to an internet website at http://www.kemptown.org/shellwww.kemptown.org/shell using a lap-top computer and mobile phone. A spokesperson said, "The violent militarisation of the oil producing areas in Nigeria are indicative of the global militarisation of commerce. Moreover, oil industry-derived climate change is causing more global disruption, and restructuring and oil mergers are causing massive job losses. Shell and the other oil transnationals are bad news for everyone ultimately even for shareholders. We call for no more oil." Further information is available from (+44) (0171) 561 9146 Video footage of the protest, shot inside the building, may be available from (+44) (0) 966 137925. You can also check out the website at http://www.kemptown.org/shellwww.kemptown.org/shell ends -- Monica Wilson Essential Action P.O. Box 19405, Washington, DC 20036, 202.387.8030, 202.234.5176 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.essential.org/action/shell/ UKOOA (UK Oil Overthrow Association) News release 9am Monday, January 4, 1999 Shell: Head Office Occupied Activists give taste of protests to come At 9am environmental and human rights protesters began occupying management offices in Shell-Mex House, The Strand, London. The activists are barricaded into the offices and are refusing to leave. This is in solidarity with indigenous resistance to oil giant Royal Dutch/Shell in Nigeria and to give a foretaste of direct action to come. Today is the first day of work in the last year before the new Millenium. The activists have chosen this day to send a message to Shell and other transnational corporations that 1999 will be a year of increased globalisation of protest, and the turning point that they say will see the end of corporate dominance. January 4 is also Ogoni Day, celebrated since 1993 when Shell was forced from Ogoni in the oil-rich Niger Delta by non-violent mass mobilisation. Throughout 1997-98, occupations of oil facilities by the Ijaw ethnic group of southern Nigeria have grown in number and degree, cutting Nigeria=92s oil output by up to one third. Now the Ijaws have told Shell and other oil companies to quit their land by January 11, 1999 - or face eviction by the people. Killings by Shell-backed troops have already claimed the lives of at least 20 Ijaws since the first deadline expired on 30 December. The protesters in London are demanding compliance with the Ijaw=92s demands to leave their traditional lands and for an end to corporate-backed military repression. Live footage of the protest will be relayed directly from Shell's own offices to an internet website at http://www.kemptown.org/shellwww.kemptown.org/shell using a lap-top computer and mobile phone. A spokesperson said, "The violent militarisation of the oil producing areas in Nigeria are indicative of the global militarisation of commerce. Moreover, oil industry-derived climate change is causing more global disruption, and restructuring and oil mergers are causing massive job losses. Shell and the other oil transnationals are bad news for everyone ultimately even for shareholders. We call for no more oil." Further information is available from (+44) (0171) 561 9146 Video footage of the protest, shot inside the building, may be
[CTRL] Oil Giant Accused of Aiding Army Atrocities
Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/ RIGHTS-INDONESIA: Oil Giant Accused of Aiding Army Atrocities By Pratap Chatterjee SAN FRANCISCO, Dec 29 (IPS) - Mobil, the U.S. oil multinational, is keeping a low profile as investigators probe allegations that it helped Indonesia's armed forces in massacres near Mobil drilling sites in the province of Aceh, northern Sumatra. Business Week, one of the biggest magazines in the United States, last week published a six-page feature on the company titled: 'What did Mobil Know? Mass graves suggest a brutal war on local Indonesian guerillas in the oil giant's backyard'. The revelations came shortly after two other U.S. companies - Freeport McMoRan of New Orleans and CalEnergy of Omaha - were accused of business malpractices in Indonesia by investigative journalists at the Wall Street Journal. All three exposes were published in the last few months since the fall of General Suharto's 32 year-old regime has allowed new light to be shed on the roles of foreign multinationals in the south-east Asian country's affairs. Mobil owns 35 percent of P.T. Arun, a liquefied natural-gas producer in Aceh while Pertamina, Indonesia's state-owned oil monopoly, holds the controlling 55-percent stake. Aceh provides an estimated 30 percent of Indonesia's total oil and gas exports or 11 percent of the country's total exports. Mass killings and disappearances near the Mobil drilling site had been rumoured for a decade, ever since the Gerakan Aceh Merdeka (Free Aceh Movement), a local separatist group, began to attack Mobil installations in 1980. Earlier this year the Human Rights Commission substantiated these rumours when they began to exhume the bodies of hundreds of people, who had been tortured and killed, from a dozen graves. The Business Week article begins with a gruesome picture of an Indonesian soldier examining a skull dug up from a mass grave. The article quotes Mobil's denials but also points out that the company admitted providing food, fuel and digging equipment for the soldiers who guarded the region for three decades. One former Mobil employee told Business Week rumours of massacres and unconfirmed reports that Mobil equipment was being used to dig graves were frequently discussed at workplaces and in a company cafeteria. ''Every time I drove out there (Bukit Sentang), the subcontractors stopped my car. They said, `No, don't go out there. Don't you know the army is killing people and burying them in mass graves with Mobil equipment?'' he said. An estimated 39,000 people have disappeared since the region was placed under military occupation in 1980, according to local activists. In Bukit Sentang, after an estimated 150 bodies were found earlier this year, Baharuddin Lopa, secretary general of the Indonesian government-backed National Commission on Human Rights, said: ''This proves that Aceh has been a killing field''. One male whose body was dug up had been blindfolded, dressed only in underwear, with his arms bound behind his back by an army belt. The area of the graves, an expanse of scrub between a forest and an oil palm plantation, is nicknamed 'Lubang Neraka', meaning the 'Holes of Hell' by local people. On Oct. 10, a coalition of 17 Indonesian human rights organizations issued a statement saying Mobil was ''responsible for human rights abuses'' by providing crucial logistic support to the army, including earth-moving equipment that was used to dig mass graves. This declaration prompted Business Week to send journalists to do detailed on-the-spot interviews with local people. Yusuf Kasim, a local farmer who spoke to Business Week, said the army paid him four US dollars a night to stand guard over a borrowed excavator to prevent anyone from siphoning fuel from its tank. He said he watched soldiers execute 60 to 70 blindfolded Acehnese men at a time with M-16 rifles, shooting them in the back so they tumbled face-first into a mass grave across a rice field from his house. The publication of the Business Week article caused a stir: the National Human Rights Commission announced on Christmas Eve that it would launch an investigation. ''We have to learn whether this information is accurate and clarify these reports,'' said Mohammed Salim, a member of the commission. Michael Robinson, a press spokesman for Mobil at its Virginia headquarters, told IPS the company was not willing to discuss the matter beyond a short official statement. ''Mobil strongly denies the implications contained in the article, which are based largely on unsubstantiated allegations, rumours and innuendo about allegations that took place outside Mobil's operations and control,'' ran the statement. But activists like George Ajitondro, an Indonesian academic who lives in exile, say Mobil's operations have also
[CTRL] The Sell-Out of American Broadcasting
The Sell-Out of American Broadcasting by Carlos Amantea (a.k.a. Lorenzo Milam) Calendar The L A Times Times Mirror Square Los Angeles CA 90053 Dear Calendar: When Bob Keeshan (in a recent interview in "Calendar,") says, "We deregulated broadcasting back in the '80s..." I'm wondering if we are talking about the same broadcasting. Perhaps he is talking about radio and television in Silesia, or Ouagadougou. In this country, under the Communications Act of 1934, the government gave out broadcasting permits for use by the public, for free. These licenses were to be temporary, and were to be renewed every three years. However, over the years, American Broadcasters --- using Congress, the courts, and the Federal Communications Commission --- have created eternal squatting rights on these frequencies. The word is "sinecure." Fifty years ago, with something called "The Blue Book," the FCC tried to set a policy that broadcasters who ignored their public service obligations would lose their permits. That is what we call true deregulation. The Commission didn't get very far with "The Blue Book." Congress, along with the networks and the broadcast station owners, bludgeoned it to death, and now it's just a fond memory for those of us who had hoped that American radio and television would someday pay attention to the needs of the public, rather than the pocket-books of the owners. Worse, what happened in the '80s was the wholesale elimination of FCC requirements that had been established to encourage dissent, to invite a variety of voices onto the airwaves, to honor the doctrine of fairness on all matters of public importance, to set aside time (not just on Sunday mornings) for healthy debate. Now, under the rubric of "deregulation," every one of these requirements has been dumped. Single corporations can (and do) own hundreds of radio and televison stations --- sometimes several in the same city. This puts an effective end to the old and wonderful concept of diversity in communications. In addition, all radio and television stations have be gifted with an eternal stranglehold over their frequencies. For if you or I (or your innocent writer) want to own a broadcast station in Los Angeles, we have two choices. One is to ante up $200,000,000 - $300,000,000 for a television license, or $20,000,000 - $50,000,000 for a radio license. So much for free speech. The alternative for us is to file with the Federal Communications Commission a "strike" application --- one that would allow us to (for example) take over Channel 5 from KTLA, or 1070 kHz from KNX, or 103.5 mHz from KOST. To do this, one must go through years and years (and years) of legal hearings at the FCC and on through the Court of Appeals. The burden would be on us: to prove that we would actually do something creative and good with that frequency. Only a fool would attempt such a course. I know: once, long ago, some friends of mine tried to take over the license of KBAY in San Jose, to put in its place a non-commercial "community" outlet. Application was filed, and was fought over at the FCC for ten years. And guess who won: the owners who were doing background music? Or our group --- who wanted to use the frequency for good, thoughtful community radio? You guessed it. Anybody who wants to change American broadcasting for the better has to remember the key fact of government policy: that the Federal Communications Commission is private property. It was sold off, fifty years ago, to American broadcasters. Lock, stock, and barrel. For that reason, anyone who thinks "deregulation" exists should think about doing kiddie shows for a living. Which is exactly, I understand, what your correspondent has been doing for a living. The Sell-Out of American Broadcasting by Carlos Amantea (a.k.a. Lorenzo Milam) Calendar The L A Times Times Mirror Square Los Angeles CA 90053 Dear Calendar: When Bob Keeshan (in a recent interview in "Calendar,") says, "We deregulated broadcasting back in the '80s..." I'm wondering if we are talking about the same broadcasting. Perhaps he is talking about radio and television in Silesia, or Ouagadougou. In this country, under the Communications Act of 1934, the government gave out broadcasting permits for use by the public, for free. These licenses were to be temporary, and were to be renewed every three years. However, over the years, American
Re: [CTRL] Arabiana: 01-04
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- From ArabicNews.CoM Saudi Arabia says convening Arab summit requires good preparations for success Saudi Arabia, Politics, 1/2/99 Prince Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz, Saudi Arabia's second deputy prime minister and minister of defense and aviation denied that Riyadh is hesitant toward attending an Arab summit. He said that Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Cooperation Council states want the summit meeting to have solid preparations and to be based on genuine efforts to serve the Arab and Islamic states. Prince Sultan renewed Saudi Arabia's refusal to use its territories to launch strikes against Iraq, saying "Saudi Arabia was never asked to and it will not agree on such a procedure." The Saudi prince said "I do not believe that there is an escalation between our brothers in Iraq and the United States, where it is a misunderstanding, and I hope that our brothers in Iraq could know their interests well, and so our friends as well, have to seek Iraq's interest. "In the end the solution will be that everybody has to stick to the United Nations and Security Council resolutions," he said, adding that his country opposes the escalation of the crisis and hoped to calm the crisis down. Tariq Aziz accuses Crown Prince Hassan of intervening in Iraq's affairs Iraq, Politics, 1/2/99 Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz has accused Jordan's Crown Prince Hassan of intervening in Iraq's affairs and criticized Crown Prince Hassan as well as of not denouncing last month's US - British military actions against Iraq. Aziz' stated that Crown Prince Hassan has committed the same fault as Jordanian officials who in return behaved as they were the regents of the Iraqi people. Crown Prince Hassan confirmed during the Arab parliamentarians' meeting in Amman last Sunday that Jordan hopes that Iraq's people could enjoy freedom and democracy. Aziz stated that during the meeting Crown Prince Hassan overlooked the topic about which they all gathered -- the US -- British military action Hey! I thought this guy died in an aircrash last year. J2 against Iraq. Kuwait calls for final solution to Iraqi problem before it will attend a summit Kuwait, Politics, 1/2/99 Kuwait's permanent delegate at the Arab League told ArabicNews.com that he informed Arab League Secretary General Esmat Abdul Meguid of his country's refusal to participate in any Arab summit attended by the Iraqi government. He said that as a precondition to any summit, there must be a reaching of a "radical solution" to the issues and problems resulting from the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, problems topped by the issue of prisoners of war and the Iraqi recognition of Kuwait's borders according to the resolution of the United Nations Security Council. Kuwait's delegate also called for not raising the issue of "uplifting sanctions from the Iraqi government" in any Arab summit, as this issue is considered a UN Security Council's concern. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] United States.... A Communist Nation?
-Caveat Lector- SNETNEWS Mailing List (sent to USCMike1's 8,500+ mailing list - please re-post to your own mailing list) Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for this post. Subj: Re: Young Communists League "bill of rights" Date: 99-01-03 15:57:42 EST From: FTUN In communist countries, the people are controlled with inflation, fear, lies, illusions, disease and amusememts. Aren't Americans controlled with inflation, fear, lies, illusions, disease and amusements? Credit is inflation. Taxes are illusions in a system the Fed said. "works only with credit" All ten planks of Marx's Communist Manifesto were enforced in USA by lawyers and by lawyer-judges long before we began the slaughter of six million human beings in Korea and in Vietnam who had harmed us none and posed no threat to us. 1. "Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose." The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management 2. "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax." misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". 3. "Abolition of all rights of inheritance." We call it Federal State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. "Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels." We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. 5. "Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Insurance Corporation (FDIC). 6. "Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State." We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. 7. Centralized control over agriculture and industry." "Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations. 8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal central bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. 10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education". - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] The Rise of Capitalism vs. Mercantilism]
-Caveat Lector- Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Keep in mind I'm a mere amateur in economics, but the history of these systems is something that must be studied if we are to understand who is behind conspiracies. Linda snip Mercantilism ultimately lost intellectual respectabilty. LM: Or so they say. I am developing a theory that mercantilism is what our country is based on today. Absolutely, and not just the United States...the best case study for the understanding of the modern international economic system is the British and Dutch companies of the 17th-19th centuries. (Along the lines of a recent post on the pushing of tobacco to Third World countries by the U.S. government, take a good hard look at the introduction of opium to China by the East India Company...and remember that until its return to China, the seal of the Crown Colony of Hong Kong showed a benevolent English merchant handing an opium pipe to a Chinese peasant. What goes around, comes around...) Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] United States of Urantia? I don't think so.
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Urantia book has nothing to do with religion, it transcends religion, it cuts out religion and gets to the point. If it isn't a religion, what is it? A cult? best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] United States of Urantia? I don't think so.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 12:08:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Urantia book has nothing to do with religion, it transcends religion, it cuts out religion and gets to the point. If it isn't a religion, what is it? A cult? best wishes, Howard Davis Hello Howard... Religion is mans attempt at explaining God. Most religions are based on primative attempts at defining God. 20th century human beings shouldn't be basing their concepts of God on ancient interpretations. The Urantia Book was sent to clear up the religion based "myths" I am not saying that there is no truth in religion, because there is truth, but religion also contains much that isn't true. This is not a cult, it is a personal relationship with God..the Urantia Book is the scaffolding that helps to build this personal relationship. There are no leaders or churches. There have been a few study groups that have sprung up here and there. I choose to study the book on my own. The book is online at www.urantia.org if you wish to find out for yourself. take care, Kinda DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Xtians and Khazars.]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Xtians and Khazars. Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:25:37 -0800 From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Finally Available To ALL - Absolute Historical Proof : Jews are not Israelites! Research Proves "Jews" are non-Israelite Asiatics! DATELINE U.S.A. (1977) -- In 1976 Random House published a book that should have hit the Christian Churches like a blockbuster, but instead they chose totally to ignore it. It dealt with the racial origin of the people in Communist and Christian countries who call themselves "Jews," and whom the Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are "God's Chosen People," the Israelite descendants of Abraham. Since the late 1800's a small number of Bible Scholars, who were also students of History and Racial origins, have insisted the Church denominations were wrong; that instead of being Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended from Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their "religion" over 1,000 years ago and had become know as "Jews." These Bible scholars were ignored or condemned, and often called "cultists" or "anti-Semites." Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur Koestler has published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves the same point; i.e. that these Eastern European "Jews" are neither Israelites nor "Semites," but are instead Khazars, Mongols, and Huns! Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during 1976. Also, Random House, the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads with the following headline: WHAT IF MOST JEWS AREN'T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition, Random House quoted the following reviews: "Mr. Koestler's excellent book...Is as readable as it is thought-provoking. Nothing could be more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he marshals his facts and develops his theories..." Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review. "You do not have to be Jewish to be interested... Are today's Western Jews really ethnic, Semitic, Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted Khazars?...This compact, interesting book...examines tragic-ironic implications in [this question] for modern history...It should fascinate." --Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal "Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He tells a good story, pulling together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers, scholarly controversy and the mysterious lore of the Khazars." --Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review that 'Arthur Koestler publicizes with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS MIGRATED TO POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY...' Then Kirsch quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, who stated that "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." Then he again quoted Koestler in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, "If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga; not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that GENETICALLY THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN, UIGUR, AND MAGYAR TRIBES THAN TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB..." (emphasis added) We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all Christian Americans to consider the startling proof in Arthur Koestler's book that today's Jews are not Israelites. The Jewish influence on American life has reached such a stage that no student of contemporary history can ignore it. Not only the news media are Jewish monopolies, but top positions in the U.S. government are largely filled by Eastern European Jews. The magazine and book publishing houses are in Jewish hands; and movies, television, and the other entertainment industries are dominated by Jews in all phases. America's government and most of her people's sources of information are controlled and directed by Jews. If these people were really "God's Chosen People," perhaps Americans would have little cause for concern -- BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE REALLY THE "HUNS" AND THEREFORE THE ANCIENT ENEMIES OF CHRISTENDOM? Since many Americans may not have an opportunity to read Koestler's book, we shall herewith submit our own index-style review. THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE (by Arthur Koestler, Random House) Reviewed by Pastor Sheldon Emry Page Information 15 Khazars adopt Judaism as their religion in A.D. 740. 16 Majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Refers to 1973 Jewish Encyclopediaand A. N. Poliak, Professor, Medieval Jewish History, Tel Aviv University. 17 Jews more closely related to Hun,
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 12:15:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are youassuming it's not true? J2 You miss the point, J2. SnowOwl is talking about the responsibility of the news media to not spread every rumor of scandal. Nor is this a responsibility of the news media only. It is one thing to privately think that yes, the SOB is probably guilty of whatever happens to be said about him and it is another for the, so far, unsupported, rumor to be published. Got it? Jerry Regarding the Danny Williams story, it's really an old story. I was aware of it back in 1993 or 1994 and I'm sure many others on the list were as well. Back then some "Christian" outfit out of Louisiana was trying to make hay with it, mailing and faxing it to all corners. But all they got was a "So what?," which may be all it merits anyway. However, the story has refused to go away and all the basic facts have remained the same. My point is that if this story is 5 years old and has remained substantially unchanged in that time, and hasn't been debunked in that period, that in itself gives it, if not credibility, the worth of a look-see. Add to that the fact that Danny is the "spiting image" of the alleged dad and you've got something that's worth the effort of a tabloid press. And let's face it, virtually all of the press is tabloid these days. Which brings me to the question, why should Clinton be off limits? Hollywood celebrities are not, nor are most other politicians. Now those who would defend this story as pertinent say it is because it would expose the president as a "deadbeat dad" and therefore a hypocrite. Even at that point people can choose sides and debate, and even then the debate will probably devide between Clinton lovers and haters; it is unlikely that hypocricy will play any greater role in that debate than truth and honesty play in the current one. BTW, my memory is fuzzy now, but I vaguely recall on first reading this story (5 years ago) that it indicated that Danny and his mother were "being taken care of." Could be wrong on that but if true it would negate the deadbeat dad charge. If true, regardless of the reasons, Clinton could actually turn it to his political advantage. But beyond the tabloid quality of the story. I too would rather that it didn't exist, but I do think that it has legitimacy. I say that because I believe in full disclosure from those who would be our leaders. I'm old fashiioned; I still think that character matters. Having said that, let me say that I don't believe that a healthy libido, occassional lapses in judgment, nor ocasasional indiscretions are necessarily indications of poor character. However, deceit, covering up, failing to accept personal responsibility - these ARE indications of poor character. No, the Danny story isn't a nice one, but it is a legitimate one. Rather than saying that members of the press are sick, mean, or dirty because they are pursuing this story, I would feel much worse about them if they buried it as they tend to do with so many others. JMHO, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] POLITICS 101
-Caveat Lector- FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk. PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need. BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as the regulations say you should need. FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk. RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you. SINGAPOREAN DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment. MILITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you. PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk. REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk. AMERICAN DEMOCRACY: The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate". BRITISH DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. You feed them sheeps' brains and they go mad. The government doesn't do anything. BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.. ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows. CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. HONG KONG CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly - listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother - in - law at the bank, then execute a debt / equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows. The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company. The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the fung shiu is bad. ENVIRONMENTALISM: You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them. FEMINISM: You have two cows. They get married and adopt a veal calf. TOTALITARIANISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned. COUNTER CULTURE: Wow, dude, there's like... these two cows, man. You got to have some of this milk. SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. LIBERTARIANISM: You have two cows. One has actually read the constitution, believes in it, and has some really good ideas about government. The cow runs for office, and while most people agree that the cow is the best candidate, nobody except the other cow votes for her because they think it would be "throwing their vote away." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Iraq
_ Need to Know Something Fast? Try STRATFOR's Find Facts Service Visit http://www.stratfor.com/findfacts/index.asp Or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Global Intelligence Update Red Alert January 5, 1999 Answers emerge about Iraqi defiance of "no-fly" zones Summary: * Iraqi defiance of no-fly zones may be more than just saber- rattling and brinkmanship. Evidence has surfaced that U.S. air cover was to have shielded an Iraqi army coup attempt. Analysis: Saddam Hussein chaired a meeting of Iraq's leadership on January 4, devoted to reviewing the status of the Iraqi army in the aftermath of Operation Desert Fox, the U.S. and British air strikes on Iraq in December. After the meeting, Saddam vowed to continue to resist allied patrols of "no-fly" zones in northern and southern Iraq. This is a reassertion of similar commitments made by Iraq last week to shoot down any enemy plane entering its airspace, which culminated in at least two incidents in which allied planes were fired upon by Iraqi missile batteries in the no-fly zones. Many have speculated that this is simply another tactic by the Baghdad regime to engage the U.S. in a protracted campaign of confrontation aimed at forcing a reduction or elimination of economic sanctions against Iraq. However, it appears now that Iraqi defiance of the no-fly zones was in response to the protection those zones provided to forces hostile to, and preparing to confront, the Iraqi regime. The London-based "Al-Hayat" newspaper reported on January 1 that allied air cover was a driving force behind a failed coup by some commanders of the Iraqi 3rd Army Corps in southern Iraq during Desert Fox. The newspaper stated that senior commanders of the 3rd Iraqi Army Corps stationed around the southern Iraqi city of Basra were "preparing military action against the regime during the U.S. missile strikes," while U.S. forces tied down the Republican Guards, Special Security Services, and Saddam's personal guard in the area. In addition, the rebellious forces reportedly had the support of a neighboring Arab state. A Ba'ath party official, who declined to give his identity, said that the units were prompted into action by the fact that they were "deployed under U.S.-British air cover and air support, as well as under ground and logistical support from an Arab state neighboring Iraq." If "neighboring" Iraq means bordering Iraq, that would suggest that either Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia were involved in the coup plot as well. Kuwait, which hosts U.S. forces and is only 50 kilometers from Basra, would appear to be the most likely party. Despite U.S. air cover and ground support from the "neighboring Arab state," the attempted coup by 3rd Corps officers evidently failed. The same Ba'ath official told Al-Hayat that a move by "a group within the army with the aim of breaching security" was "encircled and its elements were eliminated". Nine "infiltrators" were arrested for their roles as intermediaries between the intelligence services of the neighboring Arab state and the Iraqi coup plotters. Also two, presumably brigade-level, commanders of the 3rd corps, Brigadier General Ali Ma'ruf al- Sa'idi and Lieutenant Colonel Sabah Dhiyab al-Khalidi, were arrested and executed by special order of the Ba'ath party regional commander, Al Hasan al-Majid, who had been appointed just prior to the U.S. led strikes. While the 3rd Corp's coup attempt apparently failed (perhaps uncovered even before Desert Fox, judging by the Ba'ath party and military shuffling that occurred) it still provided a good reason for Iraq to challenge the no-fly zones. If one coup plot could form under U.S. air cover, others could follow. The imposition of the no-fly zones in 1991 and 1992 to protect Iraq's Kurdish and Shiite Moslem populations left Saddam with only the Republican Guard and the other Iraqi security services to counter any adventurous regular army commander. Previously, he could call upon his air force to halt the advance of Iraqi tanks rolling on Baghdad. After U.S. missiles wiped out the command infrastructure of the Republican Guard and other special security forces, Saddam's control was reduced to nearly zero. With no check in place, the 3rd Corps attempted to exploit the situation. Further impetus may have been provided by the fact that, while U.S. warplanes were bombarding other Iraqi military targets, other aircraft were reportedly tasked with dropping thousands of propaganda leaflets over Iraqi troop positions around Basra (the same units belonging to the 3rd Corps), warning them against any retaliatory moves against Kuwait. The leaflets instructed Iraqi soldiers to "stay where you are, stay put, do not threaten anyone and you won't be hurt." More than a simple warning, these leaflets may have been an explicit signal or at least a reassuring nudge to 3rd Corps commanders that the
Re: [CTRL] Tobacco capitalists' global offensive.
-Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: -Caveat Lector- Joshua wrote: Freedom is not scary to me. Libertarians are scary to me. They seem to be somewhat adolescent. Like you for example. The above statement is scarily absurd in its lack of reality perception. YOU MUST BE A LIAR to state that crack, heroin, alcohol, and tobacco have no affects on people other than the users. I won't even dignify your idiotic statement with obvious examples of its absurdity. Hey... May I say something? In case you don't grasp the concept... If you or anyone else shoves pine cones up his well, into his ears, lets say, and it causes severe irritation to you, BUT you want to do it, why the hell should I care? You shouldn't and neither should I. Do I have health insurance or do I get you to pay for my stupidity by going to the emergency room? If I do have health insurance, do your rates go up because I felt like sticking pine cones in my ears? Should we outlaw pine cones? Of course not. But if your severe irritation causes you to throw rocks at passing cars, then eventually you will suffer even more for that anti-social behaviour, because you force the consequences of YOUR irrational behaviour on OTHERS. What do you mean " eventually?" What if your wife and children were in one of those cars and crashed and died? Is that worth YOUR philosophy of freedom? If YOUR freedom means putting others at serious risk of life or limb, then you will just have to do with less freedom. I care about your family more than I care about your freedom. Do you? Your come-uppence, however, should be based on the throwing of rocks at other people, and NOT foster attempts to outlaw pine cones. This is pleasant theoretical bullshit, but if we know that 50% of pine cone jammers throw rocks at cars and wind up hurting people, then it would only be wise to preempt that behavior to save lives. If that means it's harder for you to indulge in such behavior, so be it. You lose. We all win. If you can't live with this, then get yourself a little homestead in the mountains and do what ever the hell you want. What exactly do you find so troubling? Do you not believe an individual is 'intelligent' enough to determine his own vices? Some are, but most are not. And, we are to suppose, YOU are? Yes, that's right. Or rather, YOU and a group of others who agree with you? What others? I fear stupidity and and the legitimization of greed. Ah You do not fear the outlawing of greed? It's not possible to outlaw greed. But you don't need to be lavishly rewarded for it. Thus, if anyone does anything for a selfish reason, he should be convicted of a crime? It depends on what they do. If so, practically every free exchange of goods and services for money would make criminals out of all the participants in the deal. That would depend on the deal wouldn't it? Not freedom and liberty. I fear ideological theories that have no basis in reality. Then why do you embrace them so? No basis in reality eh? How come all organized societies are more like my concept than yours? I have actually lived in the type of society you theorize about. I have seen people damage themselves irreparably and even die because those who they lived with weren't sure that they should step in and save them from themselves. Dear God! Please deliver us from such as would "save us from ourselves!" What are you bothering him for? It's his rules. It was tragic and unnecessary. Life is more important than freedom. That's what you clowns can't seem to understand. That is PRECISELY the most wimpish and absurd thing you could say. It is such a theory that makes people volunteer for slavery rather than accept responsibility for their own actions Everybody should take responsibility for their own actions. Marvelous concept. Please, Sir, find a kind master for yourself and leave the rest of us alone. I'll be glad to leave you alone. Until you sell tobacco, crack, heroin, defective toys, poisoned food, polluting cars, endangered species, hate speech, and other sundries. If you don't like it leave. You are not going to get your way because it's impossible to run a large society on such idotic ideology. You may need to start your own. Don't forget the pine cones. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] 13th Tribe summary by the author.
-Caveat Lector- -- Original Message Subject: 13th Tribe summary by author. Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:44:12 -0800 From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Summary : In Part One of this book I have attempted to trace the history of the Khazar Empire based on the scant existing sources. . * ***In Part Two, Chapters V-VII, I ( Koestler ) have compiled the historical evidence which indicates that the bulk of Eastern Jewry - and hence of world Jewry - is of Khazar-Turkish, rather than Semitic,origin.* ( J2 ) Aye, here's the rub. This is where Koestler goes round the bend. The above statement is Koestler's CONJECTURE which turned out to be wrong. The fact is that as much as 20% of European Jews have at least 1, that's ONE, Khazar ancestor. The Jews from the area that once was old Khazaria, have more than one in their lineage. European Jews of the priestly class called Cohanim are resricted in their choices of who they can marry, and have a much less intermixed bloodline which corresponds nicely to their ancestry in the Middle East. This according to recent DNA sampling. Over anxious Christians and Muslims have turned this into the " one drop law " of slavery and Jim Crow days. The Africans were stripped of their history. That's impossible to do to Jews. Better luck next time. Joshua2 *** (Back to the summary ) .In this last chapter I have tried to show that the evidence from anthropology concurs with history in refuting the popular belief in a Jewish race descended from the biblical tribe. .From the anthropologist's point of view, two groups of facts militate against this belief: the wide diversity of Jews with regard to physical characteristics, and their similarity to the Gentile population amidst whom they live. Both are reflected in the statistics about bodily height, cranial index, blood-groups, hair and eye colour, etc. Whichever of these anthropological criteria is taken as an indicator, it shows a greater similarity between Jews and their Gentile host-nation than between Jews living in different countries. To sum up this situaton, I have suggested the formulae: Ga-JaJa-Jb; and Ga-Gb ~ Ja-Jb..The obvious biological explanation for both phenomena is miscegenation, which took different forms in different historical situations: intermarriage, large-scale proselytizing, rape as a constant (legalized or tolerated) accompaniment of war and pogrom. .The belief that, notwithstanding the statistical data, there exists a recognizable Jewish type is based largely, but not entirely on various misconceptions. It ignores the fact that features regarded as typically Jewish by comparison with nordic people cease to appear so in a Mediterranean environment; it is unaware of the impact of the social environment on physique and countenance; and it confuses biological with social inheritance. .Nevertheless, there exist certain hereditary traits which characterize a certain type of contemporary Jew. In the light of modern population-genetics, these can to a large degree be attributed to processes which operated for several centuries in the segregated conditions of the ghetto: inbreeding, genetic drift, selective pressure. The last-mentioned operated in several ways: natural selection (e.g., through epidemics), sexual selection and, more doubtfully, the selection of character-features favouring survival within the ghetto walls. lIn addition to these, social heredity, through childhood conditioning, acted as a powerful formative and deformative factor. .Each of these processes contributed to the emergence of the ghetto type. In the post-ghetto period it became progressively diluted. As for the genetic composition and physical appearance of the pre-ghetto stock, we know next to nothing. In the view presented in this book, this "original stock" was predominantly Turkish mixed to an unknown extent with ancient Palestinian and other elements. Nor is it possible to tell which of the so-called typical features, such as the "Jewish nose", is a product of sexual selection in the ghetto, or the manifestation of a particularly "persistent" tribal gene. Since "nostrility" is frequent among Caucasian peoples, and infrequent among the Semitic Bedouins, we have one more pointer to the dominant role played by the "thirteenth tribe" in the biological history of the Jews. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: AOL silences Irish forum sites
[Based on what I read below, this is disturbing but not surprising. AOL's contract gives them tremendous discretion; if you want free speech, shop somewhere else. I will forward replies from AOL if they feel the urge to respond. --Declan] *** Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 04:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AOL silences Irish Item of possible interest to you. I think it's time someone did something about aol. But I'm not sure exactly what... - Charles - Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:02:20 -0500 From: Paul Kneisel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: File 1--Censorship: AOL shuts down 23 Irish Forum sites Censorship: AOL shuts down 23 Irish Forum sites, strands thousands of Irish customers Kate Sheridan (The Irish People) http://inac.org/IrishPeople/ 19 Dec 98 In a shocking but not surprising move on December 11th, America Online (AOL), the world's largest Internet service provider (ISP), closed most of its Irish Heritage Forum sites, suspending Irish-related services to tens of thousands of Irish and Irish-American customers. **Republican/nationalist members are outraged, saying that the closure was preceded by AOL's "arbitrary cancellation" of at least 20 Irish accounts in recent months. ** Irish members consider the Forum closure and terminations an outgrowth of pro-British members' pressure on AOL during an intense effort to market America Online services to potential customers in Britain. **As Irish AOL users scramble to find other sites for information, research and debate, allegations of censorship, intimidation, discrimination, harassment and even that a pedophile had breached AOL security abound. **Despite numerous customer complaints and questions, official AOL silence shrouds the closure. **A notice on the Forum gateway simply notes that the site is under "evaluation" because of member complaints. The Irish Forum has long been a favorite target of anti-republican, pro-British Internet users intent on disrupting the flow of peace-process information and on limiting Irish-American access to the broadest range of Irish views. Irish AOL users, although frequently speaking bitterly of AOL's apparent embrace of Unionist disrupters in the Forum, still deeply desired the services to remain open, despite harassment, in the hope that the sites would serve as cross-border opinion exchanges without British censorship or "spin." Unionist AOL members wanted the Forum closed. Although other AOL services are still accessible, closure of the Forum blocks access to at least 23 Irish-influence AOL sites and chat areas and blocks research, education and debate on such topics as Irish history, language, genealogy, culture, literature, and politics. Many AOL members who had planned to use the service to contact relatives in Ireland at Christmastime are heartbroken, stranded without explanation or apology. Most nationalist/republican AOL members think that the move was politically motivated, intended to extinguish a growing firestorm of pro-republican news and comment in the Forum, exposing, among other matters, abuse of Irish citizens by British-army personnel and British cover-up of RUC and SAS shoot-to-kill operations in the North. AOL recent multi-million-dollar marketing push into Britain is actively trying to attract millions of British customers. The dramatic move to close the Irish Forum follows at least a year of allegations of intense harassment and purported sustained intimidation against Irish nationalist/republican AOL members by Unionist/pro-British AOL members and volunteer staff. One AOL customer from the Midwest says she had 9 AOL accounts terminated during the past 14 months. "I never uttered a foul word, never made a threat, never abused a soul," she says. "I carried political news and opinion back and forth and shared it with readers and debaters. It's that reasonable, rational exposure the Unionists most fear." Usually, Irish voices are silenced on AOL more subtly, by vague claims of "harassment" or "board disruption." Criticism of Orange Order parades or discussion of news stories unfavorable to the RUC are routinely interpreted by AOL as "ruining the enjoyment" of Unionists. The offender is then tagged for AOL termination. Such censorship indeed has the proverbial "chilling effect on free speech," say AOL members interviewed by this reporter. One nationalist customer was devastated when her account was terminated following a Unionist's claim of "harassment" after the nationalist posted voluminous evidence of sectarian employment discrimination in the North. With her account went the website and screen name of the legal group of which she is president. Her legal-research and studies site was accessed countrywide by attorneys and paralegals. She also lost her teenage son's screen name, "just two weeks before his college and scholarship applications were due." Two years' worth of research and site
[CTRL] Fwd: FC: More on AOL silences Irish forum sites
* Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:12:42 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Platt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Platt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FC: AOL silences Irish forum sites Re AOL and Irish nationalist agitprop: If a group of pedophiles pretended that they were merely interested in discussing human sexuality, but in fact their group sponsored discussions on the best way to seduce children, I wouldn't expect it to last long on AOL. Likewise, we shouldn't expect AOL to tolerate a bunch of people who pretend that they merely want to discuss general political issues relating to Ireland, but in fact are dedicated to promoting terrorist tactics against people whose religion happens to differ from their own. The only thing that troubles me about the news item is that the terrorist sympathizers won't admit what they are. I see similar tactics from staff of the Worker's Daily (I think it is) who sometimes post messages on nyc.general, purporting to report the news in an unbiased style and never admitting that they're communists with a very specific political agenda. Most pornographers have the honesty to admit that they are offering pornography--and the initiative to set up their own web sites, instead of trying to sneak into a family-oriented service provider and then whining when they get caught. Writers of agitprop could learn from their example. --CP -- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --
[CTRL] Wyoming
-Caveat Lector- Are there any people here from Wyoming? if so [EMAIL PROTECTED] or if you have any friends from the state have them send me a post if they have time thanks Temporary taxes: In this country, under the Communications Act of 1934, the government gave out broadcasting permits for use by the public, for free. These licenses were to be temporary, and were to be renewed every three years. He he, the oldest politican trick on the books. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tobacco capitalists' global offensive.
-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You shouldn't and neither should I. Do I have health insurance or do I get you to pay for my stupidity by going to the emergency room? Can't you see that what you are attacking is socialism? How, pray tell, do you get me to pay for your emergency room, unless you elect some thugs to extort my money to pay it? If I do have health insurance, do your rates go up because I felt like sticking pine cones in my ears? Nope... Because if the govm't didn't require insurance companies to NOT discriminate, and offer policies to fools as well as the wise, I would buy my insurance from a company that plainly said, "We do not pay for the consequences of fools who sholve pine cones into body cavities." My insurance would be cheaper, nor more expensive. What do you mean " eventually?" What if your wife and children were in one of those cars and crashed and died? Why, becuase you were shoving pine cones while driving? If so, then you should be assigned to a penal colony for the rest of your natural life Is that worth YOUR philosophy of freedom? Yes it is... Where there is freedom, there is risk. I'll take the risks that go with freedom. The difference is, I am willing to pay the consequences, and you want someone else to pay. If YOUR freedom means putting others at serious risk of life or limb, then you will just have to do with less freedom. I will? And I suppose that you and people like you will "see to it" that I "do with less freedom." Those who willingly and recklessly place other people at serious risk should be punished severely... If the punishment were swift enough, and severe enough, fewer people would shove pine cones while driving. I care about your family more than I care about your freedom. Do you? Give me a break! Please... DON'T care for my family You have no obligation to do so, and I would appreciate it if you would mind your own business. This is pleasant theoretical bullshit, but if we know that 50% of pine cone jammers throw rocks at cars and wind up hurting people, then it would only be wise to preempt that behavior to save lives. No sir... It would be wise to throw everyone who does so into the penal colony with a hoe and a sack of seed. If that means it's harder for you to indulge in such behavior, so be it. You lose. We all win. If you can't live with this, then get yourself a little homestead in the mountains and do what ever the hell you want. That is what it aways boils down to with "your kind of folks" isn't it? "If you don't do what we say, you cannot live with us... go somewhere else." Suppose we just round you and your guys up and "send you someplace else?" But I have a better idea Suppose we just make you pay your own way? In which case you would either wise up or starve to death, and frankly, I'm not sure which I would prefer. Or rather, YOU and a group of others who agree with you? What others? The "party" or the "gang" you collect about you, or who more likely collected you about them, and voted your thugs into office to tell the rest of us how we must behave. It's not possible to outlaw greed. But you don't need to be lavishly rewarded for it. I tell you what You just don't contribute to how lavishly or how niggardly I am rewarded.. That way, you won't have a complaint either way... Right? In short, why not just mind your own business and leave the rest of us to our own devices, and the rewards or tragedies that result from them? You pay your way, and I'll pay mine.. and you can contribute to whoever else you feel is deserving... Just don't force my participation. It doesn't seem all that difficult a concept to me. Not freedom and liberty. I fear ideological theories that have no basis in reality. Then why do you embrace them so? No basis in reality eh? How come all organized societies are more like my concept than yours? Because men love evil rather than good... Because more people are lazy than industrious Because more people are beggers rather than producers ... Because given the option, more people would require me to be responsible for them rather than being responsible for themselves... That's just for starters... The list goes on. Please, Sir, find a kind master for yourself and leave the rest of us alone. I'll be glad to leave you alone. Until you sell tobacco, I don't sell it.. I buy it... crack, heroin, defective toys, poisoned food, polluting cars, endangered species, hate speech, and other sundries. You're a real piece of art I thought you were serious there for a while... Yep, you had me going... I admit... Now I see you were just joking all along. If you don't like it leave. You are not going to get your way because it's impossible to run a large society on such idotic ideology. There you go again "If you don't do as I say, you must leave." But, my egotistical and lunatic friend... There is another option... You may need to start
[CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? Thanks for your times and considerations. ArijJan DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for the excellent post. Here in North Dakota, the agricultural community is hurting thanks to a number of stupid government policies... NAFTA and the Republican "Freedom to Farm" bill... The wheat growers are particularly angry at Canadian dumping of wheat on this side of the border... Out in the western half of the state ( posse comitatus-militia country), the beef industry still holds sway The cattle industry plays hell with the environment...and the aquifer is being pumped out.. As the family farms go under, many of the farm people find themselves targeted by white supremacist groups Here in Fargo, every Monday night, the local community can watch "The White Hour of Power Show," hosted by one of our homegrown Aryan types. This individual is proud of his brownshirt and swastika... His theme song for the program is a scratchy old recording of an SS anthem, the Horst Wessel Song. In the western half of the state, Tom Metzger has been able to gain access to the local airwaves in order to capitalize on the anger in the heartland. Scary stuff.. Re: American Indian hunting practices. Native Americans were smart enough to realize that it wasn't a good idea to exhaust the resources of the environment. The buffalo was the Native American equivalent to a supermarket... every part of the animal was used by the plains people.. Waste not...want not... Personally, I'm a vegetarian. Years ago, not having my college degree, finding myself out of work in a strange city, I was hired on at a meatpacking plant. I lasted three months... and that experience changed me... I agree with the author of this post. We need to move towards a more humane and environmentally sound policy like getting our protein needs from soy beans and grain... Plus, think about the needless destruction to our water supplies... (and think about the people who have to slaughter the animals for a living, just so you can have your supply of burgers) Try a veggie burger..they're great! :) Regards, Wm On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Marlea Linse wrote: -Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Today's NY Times has an article titled "People Can't Agree on What's Natural and What's Not," by Timothy Egan that repeats an often-heard accusation against the American Indian, namely that they were just as "wasteful" of natural resources as the Europeans. Egan writes: "A hundred years ago, after the Americans had wiped out most of the bounteous bison of the West and removed the native people who had lived on those animals, there came a great die-out of domestic cattle. A long, bitter winter left cowboys without cows, and the Indians saying, 'Told you so.' It was, many people still believe, nature's blow against the attempt to erase much of the native West. "But what about the Great Plains tribes, who used to start big grass fires to drive bison off a cliff? By some estimates, up to 90 percent of a herd was wasted. It may have been natural or simply crafty and wasteful, no different from Roman excess." Well, what about those Great Plains tribes? If you look at the chapter on "The Prairie-Plains" in Alice Kehoe's "North American Indians: A Comprehensive Account," you will find reference to bison being corralled, not being stampeded off cliffs. John C. Ewers was Senior Ethnologist at the Smithsonian Institution and an expert on Plains Indians. In his "The Blackfeet: Raiders of the Northwestern Plains," there is an account from an elder named Old Weasel Tail of how the Blackfoot hunted bison prior to the introduction of the horse into their society: "Near the edge of timber and toward the bottom of a downhill slope the Indians built a corral of wooden posts set upright in the ground to a height of about seven feet. They connected the posts by crosspoles tied in place with rawhide ropes. Around three sides of the corral they laid stakes over the lowest crosspoles. Their butt ends were firmly braced in the ground outside the corral. These stakes projected about three feet or more inside the corral at an angle, so that their sharpened ends were about the height of a buffalo's body. If the buffalo tried to break through the corral, after they had been driven into it, they would be impaled on these stakes. From the open side of the corral the fence of poles extended in two wings outward and up the hill. These lines were further extended by piles of cut willows in the shape of conical lodges about half the height of a man, tied together at their tops. These brush piles were spaced at intervals of several feet. On the hill just above the corral opening a number of poles were placed on the ground crosswise of the slope and parallel to each other. The buffalo had to cross these poles to enter the corral. The poles were covered with manure and water, which froze and became slippery so that once the buffalo were in the corral
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelplessvictims
-Caveat Lector- ArijJan Verboon wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place In my opinion, the most despicable business transaction was the betrayal of Jesus, by Judas, for thirty pieces of silver. and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? The most despicable con was that perpertrated by Abraham Lincoln and his cadre'. Consider this: In the Gettysburg Address, "Honest" Abe made the absurd claim that the Union soldiers who died in the Battle of Gettysburg gave their lives to protect the concept of a nation "of the people, by the people, and for the people." In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. "You can fool ALL of the people SOME of the time... and SOME of the people ALL of the time..." and in this case, that's proven sufficient to pull off the master con. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 10:49:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I will tell you one thing I am NEVER going to call the Art Bell show! Because if I do then the whole list will erupt into a flame war like WWIII! Teo1000 And IF you do we're coming to your house and rip your damned phone out!! I'm already expecting the riot police to show up here at any time with their tear gas canisters and rubber bullets, which means that someone is going to get hurt. Then how will you feel, Teo?!! Don't ever, EVER call the Bell show! All the best, Jim DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- Teo That is all another person and myself were asking. Now if others hadn't jumped in, the whole thing would never ended up the way it did. Tempers would NEVER have erupted, duh ( including mine) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: -Caveat Lector- Thank you for the excellent post. Here in North Dakota, the agricultural community is hurting thanks to a number of stupid government policies... NAFTA and the Republican "Freedom to Farm" bill... The wheat growers are particularly angry at Canadian dumping of wheat on this side of the border... The wheat consumers -- such as I -- are particularly angry at the US Govm't for subsidizing farmers and paying them NOT to grow wheat... However, I hasten point out that I disbelieve you when you say that Canadians are "dumping" wheat in the United States... Why would they do that? Seems like they would sell it to Americans. And if Amercians are buying Canadian wheat rather than American wheat, doesn't it make you wonder why? Could it be that they are selling it at a price MOST Americans would rather pay? Why should I subsidize a North Dakota farmer who's trying to rip me off by charging higher prices than the Canadians? Out in the western half of the state ( posse comitatus-militia country), the beef industry still holds sway The cattle industry plays hell with the environment... There's an interesting idea Who's "environment?" Chances are it is land owned by the United States government, and leased to the cattle rancher. If the govm't would sell all the land it owns, it could wipe out the national debt. Did you know that the U.S. govm't owns MORE LAND west of the Mississippi than there IS LAND east of that mighty river? Why should the govm't own all that land in the first place? As the family farms go under, many of the farm people find themselves targeted by white supremacist groups If they are "going under," what are they being targeted for? Family farms are "going under" primarily because of govm't programs that encourage stupid economics, which has little to do with white supremacist groups, which don't know any economics. Re: American Indian hunting practices. Native Americans were smart enough to realize that it wasn't a good idea to exhaust the resources of the environment. They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership of wealth, and the productive power of capitalism... After all, that's why they were living in tents and barely subsisting... "Hunters and gatherers" don't have any capital to carry them over in hard times (such as a bad hunting season). "Tribal mentality" is the same as "slave mentality," which isn't known to result in creation of wealth and prosperity. The buffalo was the Native American equivalent to a supermarket... every part of the animal was used by the plains people.. Waste not...want not... I think most of them "wanted" most of the time... Because they were non-producers, they suffered the same fate as so-called "over-populated" countries... ie being destitute most of the time. We need to move towards a more humane and environmentally sound policy like getting our protein needs from soy beans and grain... If God didn't want us to eat animals, He wouldn't have made them out of meat. Plus, think about the needless destruction to our water supplies... There's about the same amount of water in the world as there has been for several centuries. All we can do with it is try to move it from place to place, and even then, it isn't usually very cooperative. (and think about the people who have to slaughter the animals for a living, just so you can have your supply of burgers) WoW! What a brilliant statement! In case you haven't learned this, those people aren't slaughtering animals "so I can have hamburgers." They don't give a damn if I EVER have a hamburger... They don't even know me... In my opinion, they are slaughtering animals so THEY can have what THEY want -- most of which costs money, which they earn by slaughtering animals. Try a veggie burger..they're great! No thanks... I need to keep my cholesterol count high... the govm't says it should be low, and they lie about everything. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Glass-Seagall act vs. the Smoot Hawley Tarriff
-Caveat Lector- .. Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Book Search Co-ordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Glass-Seagall act vs. the Smoot Hawley Tarriff Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:16 PM Let us not confuse the Glass-Seagall act with the Smoot Hawley Tarriff Lloyd Miller -Original Message- From: Edward Zaharis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [prj] Re: Banksters Verge on Victory Free Rare/Out-of-Print Book Searches - Ruling Class/Conspiracy Experts: E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** END [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Free Rare/Out-of-Print Book Searches - Ruling Class/Conspiracy Experts: E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** END . Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Samuel E. Konkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Banksters Verge on Victory Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 8:39 AM The Federal Reserve System passed in 1913 was when the banking cartel was firmly and thoroughly established and member banks thereby freed from marketplace and put on the gravy train of capital created out of nothing via government backing of the fractional reserve system and government backed fiat money created out of nothing. The 1st and 2nd Banks of the United States were previous attempts to create a State-Capitalist Banking Cartel were petty by comparison and ultimately failed. Prior to the Federal Reserve System, the previous banking systems, State Capitalist and "Free Market" alike, were dominated by the then world dominating British State Capitalist system emanating out of the Bank of England. Remember the debate between Perot and Gore that Perot was suposed to have lost? The turning point was when Gore clamed that the depression was caused by the Glass Seagall act. It was so outragious that Perot didn't know what to say and no one caught it. Anyway it looks like Clinton and the republicans believe it also. But it also involved raising tariffs on imports but came after the crash in any case. The Carter Glass laws of the 1930's did not re-submit the banking cartel to the free market. They simply limited the businesses in which it could operate directly. However, do we really think, for instance, that J. P. Morgan the commercial bank really separated from J. P. Morgan the investment bankers? Not only do the 2 institutions have many of the same Directors, once including Greenspan, but, ultimately, the actions of both institutions are probably still commanded by their traditional London-Bank of England connection. Further, do we really think that stock brokerages and insurance companies have been independent of the banks since Carter Glass got his laws passed? Clearly not. No major insurance company or stock brokerage can operate without intimate access to the fountain of funny money of the Federal Reserve cartel. You will find insurance companies and and brokeages were under the thumb already of the major banks as indicated by the shared Directors and cross holdings of controlling interests. It is not at all clear how libertarians should react changes in the details of how government backed cartels are regulated. One would need a great deal of information and analysis to predict with any confidence how new regulations would play out, ie. whether they would actually help or hurt consumers, commercial borrowers, cartel members, the leading cartel members, marginal cartel members, the governement, specially privileged minority borrowers, "independent" providers of insurance and financial services, etc. In my book, libertarians should simply campaign to end the cartel, ie. repeal the Federal Reserve Act and associated special privileges. Real deregulating of banking would be repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and elimination of fiat money. The Federal Reserve System puts the "banksters" in charge of government regardless of the details of regulation. Mostly likely, the "banksters" have tired of the complexity involved in dominating numerous nominally indepent Corporations in the insurance, financial services, investment banking, etc. and would rather control these activities more directly on a centralized basisActually, they may find that the more decentralized approach required by Carter Glass actually worked better for their own interests! We shall see! Lloyd Miller From: Samuel E. Konkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Banksters Verge on Victory You know there is something fishy when
Re: [CTRL] Maxygen Announces $6.7 Million Grant from DARPA to Dev...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/05/1999 10:19:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On 4 Nov 99, at 22:14, Steve Wingate wrote: Aerosol delivery of prophylactic and therapeutic agents is potentially the simplest and most cost-effective way to protect or treat humans and animals from disease epidemics. In addition to this recent DARPA grant, Maxygen is the recipient of two additional DARPA grants in the vaccine area. In February 1998, Maxygen received a $5.6 million grant to evolve novel DNA vectors for efficient delivery and expression of pathogen antigens, and in April 1999, the Company received a grant of $7.7 million to generate novel vaccine antigens for a wide range of pathogens. In other words, we would have no idea whether we were being sprayed with the poison or with the antidote!! Oh joy. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Business Roundtable statement on Global Climate Change ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/1999 2:00:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "As our first initiative, the BRT will host a Technology Summit in May 2000 to bring together government leaders, the national laboratories, the private sector and members of leading research universities, with a goal of reaching consensus on actions to accelerate technology development and transfer. The summit will focus on identifying new structures, systems and processes to improve technology transfer, and foster more cooperative and productive relationships between industry and government -- a need that has certainly been expressed repeatedly and forcefully here at COP5. "The Technology Summit has received enthusiastic support from the private and public sectors, and the US Congress. A consortium of national laboratories in the United States will be invited to participate. The Roundtable is forming a Steering Committee, chaired by Lawrence Papay, senior vice president and general manager of Bechtel, to provide leadership and strategic guidance. To date, Lucent, General Motors, Exxon and American Electric Power have joined as members of the Steering Committee. Now how does that go? Let's see. We'll give a big party, and you will make sure that you make laws that make us comfy and give us enormous amounts of taxpayer dollars, some of which we will actually spend on the research we're telling you we need to do. Isn't it comforting to know that Bechtel, Lucent, General Motors, Exxon and American Electric Power will be steering us into the 2lst Century? Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel Deals US Weapons Secrets to Red Chinese (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/1999 1:35:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel Admits To Covert Defense Sales to China Israel has suddenly lifted the veil over its covert sales of sensitive U.S. defense technology to Red China. This has triggered a frantic scramble among dual loyalist Washington officials, media pundits, congressional leaders and Zionist power brokers. At last they must now share the blame for condoning this criminal and treasonous trade -- and lying about it -- for more than two decades. We do not have dual loyalists. We have dual citizenships. It is quite obvious where the loyalty lies. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reptiles Rule the World Theory of David Icke
-Caveat Lector- HI Pete, Laurence Gardner reckons Moses was Ahkenaton. LOL What's the verdict on Laurence folks? According to him everyone on the planet comes from King David including me. I have his Bloodline of the Holy Grail but its a bit over the top I think. Though I don't doubt that royalty does come from King David, its just - what about Atlantean immigrants after the flood or Et colonists? Why is it that those 3 writers you mentioned Pete have to have a bizaare belief we have to swallow with something good. They just don't seem to be harmonious with each other. Give me Branton anyday, reps underneath, God made us, Ets are/were here and Atlanteans went elsewhere to other planets and Nazis rule the dark side possessed by reps. I like it! Nicky DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WSJ _PB letter on Podhoretz column
-Caveat Lector- The Wall Street Journal November 5, 1999 Letters to the Editor Free at Last In Orwell's "1984," employees at the Ministry of Truth were given time off for "the Two-Minutes Hate," to shout curses at the enemies of Big Brother. In "Buchanan and Anti-Semitism" (editorial page, Oct. 25), Norman Podhoretz shows a fine aptitude for the exercise. While clearing up all the debris he left on your page would require a small book, let me respond to a few of his charges. He calls my new book, "A Republic, Not an Empire," "soft on Hitler." Yet in it I call Hitler a "monster," charge him with "ugly actions and discriminatory laws" against German Jews as early as 1933, equate his treatment of rivals to Al Capone's, and describe the post-1939 situation in Poland as "the peace of Auschwitz and Katyn, where SS and NKVD killers roamed free and labored long into the night." This is "soft on Hitler"? Mr. Podhoretz says I have a "habit of championing the cause of almost anyone accused of participating actively in Hitler's genocidal campaign against the Jews." But whom have I defended? Six men. Frank Walus of Chicago and Ivan Stebelsky of Denver, accused by Simon Wiesenthal of being Nazi war criminals, were proven to be wholly innocent. Tscherim Soobzokov of New Jersey was about to receive compensation for the vile slander that he was an SS killer when he was blown to pieces by a bomb outside his home. I defended John Demjanjuk for 10 years, insisting he was not "Ivan the Terrible" of Treblinka. On the eve of Mr. Demjanjuk's scheduled execution, Moscow released documents proving "Ivan" was another man. Demjanjuk had never even been at Treblinka. Due perhaps to my columns, John Demjanjuk's wrongful execution was delayed, and averted, and Israel was spared the international disgrace of having hanged an innocent man. Karl Linnas was accused of being a Nazi killer at the Tartu camp in Estonia. Along with the Washington Post, I opposed his being sent back to certain death in the U.S.S.R. All I asked for was a fair trial for Linnas, right here in the U.S.A. As for Dr. Arthur Rudolph, the German rocket scientist who built the Saturn that took Neil Armstrong to the moon, he was cleared by two postwar investigations and brought to America under Harry Truman. Under threat of a loss of his pension, Social Security and honors, Rudolph, the victim of a heart attack, did renounce his U.S. citizenship and return to Germany. There, the German government investigated the U.S. Justice Department's charges against him and found them baseless. What did I ask for? Only that Dr. Rudolph be given a hearing before a congressional committee, so that both his accusers and his defenders could present their respective cases. Now, why did I take up the causes of these men? Because I believed they were innocent, or I believed they had not been given a fair chance to prove their innocence. And because no one else would. While I have paid a high price for having done so, I have never regretted it. It was the best journalism I ever did. As for my views on Israel, they have changed. With the Intifada, I came to believe that Israel's survival now mandated a homeland, a flag and a nation of their own for the Palestinian people. A friend of mine I made in Israel at the end of the Six Day War, Yitzhak Rabin, reached the same conclusion at the same time. For attempting to negotiate peace with Arafat, Rabin, too, was called an anti-Semite and Nazi, and was murdered in that climate of hatred. Do we really want to recreate this climate in our own country? All but one of Mr. Podhoretz's charges are recycled garbage from his old compactor, Commentary. But his newest shows how his obsession with me over 10 years has begun to impair his reason. Mr. Podhoretz speaks of the "incredible words" I wrote for Ronald Reagan to justify a presidential visit to Bitburg. "Through Mr. Reagan's mouth," says he, "Mr. Buchanan declared that the soldiers buried there, who included members of SS units . . . were 'victims of the Nazis just as surely as the victims in concentration camps.' No more disgusting example of moral equivalence can ever have been recorded or can scarcely even be imagined." What is wrong with this? Just about everything. First, there is the insinuation that I could put in the "mouth" of Ronald Reagan "incredible words" he did not understand or believe. This is grossly insulting; the Ronald Reagan I served could not be manipulated by anyone into saying what he did not believe. Second, President Reagan never equated SS troops and camp victims. He equated the teenage boys Hitler put in uniform and sent to certain death at war's end with concentration camp victims. Here is Mr. Reagan's statement in full: "These [SS troops] were the villains, as we know, that conducted the persecutions and all. But there are 2,000 graves there, and most of those, the average age is about 18. I think that there's nothing wrong with visiting that cemetery
Re: [CTRL] Israel Deals US Weapons Secrets to Red Chinese (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/1999 1:35:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel Admits To Covert Defense Sales to China Israel has suddenly lifted the veil over its covert sales of sensitive U.S. defense technology to Red China. This has triggered a frantic scramble among dual loyalist Washington officials, media pundits, congressional leaders and Zionist power brokers. At last they must now share the blame for condoning this criminal and treasonous trade -- and lying about it -- for more than two decades. Pardon me. But the last time I looked, Israel was a sovereign country. " Criminal and treasonous?" Are you nuts? They don't fall under U.S. laws. American corporations do, and the U.S. government does. A sovereign state can do what ever the hell it wants. That goes for Israel or any other state. I'm no knee jerk defender of Israel or its policies, but this crap is obvious for what it is. We do not have dual loyalists. We have dual citizenships. It is quite obvious where the loyalty lies. Prudy Hey Prudy, are there other countries that allow dual citizenship with the U.S.? England perhaps? And if these citizens love England more than America, is that as evil as dual citizen/loyalty in the case of Israeli/Americans? What arrogance. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] *The Next Intellectuals*
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The Next Intellectuals
By: Judith Shulevitz
Posted Friday, Oct. 29, 1999, at 10:49 a.m.
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Should there be a Ph.D. program for public intellectuals? The response to the
news that one has been created has been knee-jerk and mocking. Playboy called
it a "Hot Air Doctorate"; Camille Paglia declared in last week's Chronicle of
Higher Education, "They're going to groom people--what? To be me? That's not
the way to do it." It's true that the Public Intellectuals Program--didn't
anyone notice that the acronym is PIP?--offers its own butt up for the kicking.
The courses for its 23 students could have been ripped out of a Modern Language
Association catalog, circa 1995: There are classes on feminism, "new
spiritualities," environmentalism, postcolonialism, gender, race, media,
dissidence, and, of course, pop culture. The host institution is Florida
Atlantic University, an undistinguished university in Boca Raton evidently
looking for an excuse to lure name-brand talent to its campus--and who would
refuse a Florida gig, especially if they make it in, say, February?
The talent is name-brand--among the stars scheduled to shine there briefly at
some point in the future are Harvard theologian Cornel West, Harvard
philosopher Anthony Appiah, Parisian semiotician Julia Kristeva, feminist
psychoanalytic critic Juliet Mitchell, and even, interestingly, that elegist of
public intellectualism lost, Russell Jacoby, author of The Last Intellectuals--
but all of them are of a political inclination (leftish) that has been losing
the culture wars on campus of late. You can't help wondering whether its
graduates, trained in such ephemera as "Rhetoric and Principle," as one of the
core courses is called, will be able to hold their own in the substantially
more conservative--and possibly more substantive--public arena. "If we roll our
eyes," wrote the Philadelphia Inquirer's book critic Carlin Romano in an essay
in the Chronicle,
it's because we suspect that [F.A.U.'s] freshly minted public intellectuals
will find themselves cerebrally all dressed up with no place to go. Can you
imagine 'the Boca Raton intellectuals' exercising cultural clout in the
national media, with profiles about them to follow in the Times? Don't hold
your breath.
But it's not as if there's anything wrong per se with a doctoral training
program for public intellectuals. At its best, it would be an interesting
graduate program of general studies.
The main problem with the F.A.U. program, it strikes Culturebox, is the name.
It's pretty presumptuous for any professor to declare his students "public
intellectuals"; you would much rather they got their certification as such from
someone else. Otherwise, the whole thing sounds harmless. For one thing,
contrary to the popular wisdom, F.A.U. does not intend to turn out baby
Paglias. The program director, Max Kirsch, claims, at least, that its students
aren't looking for fame: "They are looking for some engagement with the
public." Kirsch is using code, but what he means is that what he's training his
students to be are behind-the-scenes activists and organizers--what Italian
Marxist Antonio Gramsci called organic intellectuals. Gramsci believed that
everybody, no matter what he does, participates in some kind of intellectual
activity--is a philosopher or artist or person of taste, has a unique
conception of the world and line of moral conduct, and therefore generates new
ways of thinking. The job of people who actually call themselves intellectuals
is to articulate such situational thought and put it to use for change. As
Edward Said put it in some 1994 lectures on the subject:
Today's advertising or public relations expert ... would be considered an
organic intellectual according to Gramsci, someone who in a democratic society
tries to gain the consent of potential customers, win approval, marshal
consumer or voter opinion. Gramsci believed that organic intellectuals are
actively involved in society, that is, they constantly struggle to change minds
and expand markets ... are always on the move, on the make.
In short, you could view the Florida Atlantic program as a version of Harvard's
Kennedy School of Government, except it's for left-wing activists rather than
centrist politicians.
Moreover, the ideal of the public intellectual is no newfangled fad. "Organic
intellectual" is not strictly identical with "public intellectual," of course,
and one wonders whether Russell Jacoby understands who exactly he's signed up
to teach, given his understanding of the term "public intellectual" (in The
Last Intellectuals he defines it as one who writes with "vigor and clarity,"
not as an activist or left-wing scholar). But the notion of the public
intellectual is much older than that of, say, the gentlemen-scholar, whom no
one sneers at, except perhaps organic intellectuals. Almost every philosophy or
political
[CTRL] Canada and Missile Defense
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Canada not essential to missile defence, U.S. hints
Detect-and-destroy system capable of protecting North America likely to go
ahead even if Ottawa, Moscow, Beijing disapprove
PAUL KORING and JEFF SALLOT
The Globe and Mail
Saturday, November 6, 1999
Washington and Ottawa -- PAUL KORING in Washington
JEFF SALLOT in Ottawa
The United States is capable of deploying an antimissile system that would
protect nearly all of North America even if Ottawa were to refuse to allow an
early-warning radar site in the Canadian Arctic, according to a senior U.S.
official.
"I'm not sure that Canadian co-operation is absolutely essential," Walter
Slocombe, U.S. defence undersecretary for policy, said yesterday. "We would
like it," he added, saying that talks are under way between the two
governments.
Current U.S. plans call for upgrading early-warning radar installations,
including several in Canada, which, along with space-based satellite detection
systems, would be integrated to identify, track and target incoming ballistic
missiles.
Interceptors would then be launched from a new site to be built in Alaska to
down the incoming missiles before they could reach their targets.
Such a system, designed to protect the entire United States, including Hawaii
and Alaska, would also put most of Canada, and all of its major cities, under a
defensive umbrella.
Ottawa, which fears that the plans could unravel the 1972 Anti-Ballistic
Missile Treaty, has never formally opposed Washington's interest in the matter.
It has, though, expressed concern that such a system could upset the
international arms-control regimes.
Canadian policy depends on the outcome of U.S.-Russian talks on modifying the
ABM treaty, Foreign Affairs spokesman Michael O'Shaughnessy said yesterday.
Canada abstained on a contentious Russian-sponsored resolution on nuclear arms
control at the United Nations yesterday, despite recent impassioned warnings by
Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy that nuclear annihilation is the
greatest threat facing humanity.
The resolution called for the preservation and strengthening of the Anti-
Ballistic Missile Treaty, a 27-year-old agreement that Mr. Axworthy has praised
as a "cornerstone of strategic stability in the world."
By abstaining, Canada avoids widening the public split between Ottawa and
Washington on nuclear issues that first appeared a year ago.
The United States opposed the resolution yesterday because it wants to
renegotiate the ABM treaty as a prelude to deploying its national missile-
defence system.
Both Russia and China have warned that deploying such a system could reignite a
Cold War-style nuclear arms race.
The ABM treaty was designed to preserve the Cold War's strategic equilibrium of
mutually assured destruction by outlawing the development of antimissile
systems that, by thwarting massive nuclear attacks, could have upset that
balance.
Although the ABM treaty allowed both sides to deploy a defence system over a
small area (the U.S. set one up near missile sites in North Dakota and the
Soviets put theirs around Moscow), the pact was based on the premise that both
sides remained vulnerable to a massive barrage of nuclear-tipped
intercontinental missiles.
Washington claims its current national missile-defence policy is consistent
with the ABM treaty because it is designed only to detect and destroy a handful
of incoming missiles, the kind of attack that could be launched by a "rogue
state." It has said that such a system would be incapable of preventing the
type of attack that is within Russia's capability.
"The purpose of the program is to defend against limited attack," Mr. Slocombe
said yesterday in a speech to the Centres for Strategic and International
Studies. "Over the next 15 years [the United States] will most likely face ICBM
[intercontinental ballistic missile] threats from North Korea, Iran and
possibly Iraq," he said.
While Washington insists that it remains committed to the ABM treaty, it wants
Moscow to agree to reopen the pact and modify it to allow for antimissile
missile systems designed to protect against small-scale nuclear, biological or
chemical attacks.
So far, Moscow has refused. U.S. Defence Secretary William Cohen has confirmed
that Washington will pull out of the ABM treaty if it fails to get Russian co-
operation in modifying it.
A decision is required next year and the new system could be deployed by 2005.
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[CTRL] e-war; also US refines 'non-lethal' weapons for use on civilians
-Caveat Lector- Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart GUARDIAN (London) Friday November 5, 1999 Cyberwar could spare bombs Nato commander Wesley Clark boosts the case for telecom assaults with a vision of how they might have been used in Kosovo Julian Borger in Washington The general who led Nato's forces in Kosovo believes the bombing campaign might not have been necessary if new electronic methods of waging war had been used to force President Slobodan Milosevic into submission. General Wesley Clark, the outgoing supreme allied commander in Europe, stunned a recent session of the US senate armed forces committee by calling for a complete rethink of western strategy and questioning the need for the aerial assault on Serbia, which caused an estimated 1,500 civilian casualties and came close to losing the propaganda war. His testimony last month was the highest level of endorsement so far given to the use of forms of "cyberwar" which, their supporters argue, could have stopped Serb ethnic cleansing faster and with far less bloodshed. Such a war would have used "offensive hacking" against Belgrade's computers and Mr Milosevic's bank account, and jammed or subverted his communications and propaganda. Meanwhile small groups of special forces sent into Kosovo with powerful computers would have directed Nato's overwhelming firepower at the Serb troops responsible for the slaughter. "We need to look at all of the instruments of power that can be brought to bear," Gen Clark told the senators. He argued that as well as legal means of blocking the Danube and the Adriatic ports, Nato should have used "methods to isolate Milosevic and his political parties electronically". "There were a number of measures that could have been taken sooner and some that were never actually implemented that would have augmented - maybe even been more powerful than - the military instrument, maybe have prevented the use of the military instrument." In the course of the Kosovo war, Gen Clark came to be regarded as a maverick in the Pentagon, and his forced early retirement from his Nato post - he leaves next spring, several months ahead of schedule - was widely seen as a calculated snub to his views. But his outspoken remarks to the senate have added significant weight to a growing body of thought among US strategic thinkers. In a report published this month, the US council on foreign relations (CFR) argued that new non-lethal technologies offered a "middle option" between "classic diplomatic table-thumping and indiscriminate economic sanctions on the one hand and major military intervention on the other hand". Nato troops have been experimenting for years with ways to bring the west's overwhelming technological superiority to bear on its enemies without resorting to the vast destructive power of high-altitude bombardment. They call it the Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA). But it is a revolution that has hitherto been kept top secret. "The US admits it has SF [special forces] troops but it doesn't admit it has IO [information operations] forces," said Martin Libicki, a cyberwar expert from the National Defence university in Washington, who is researching the issue for the Rand Corporation. The Kosovan conflict has been called the first war on the internet. Hackers disrupted and defaced Serb and Nato websites, and jammed computer messaging systems with "email bombs". Some were government-sponsored and some private, but they had a limited effect on each side's military capabilities. Meanwhile, a hidden internet battle for far higher stakes was under way. According to defence analysts, US computer hackers burrowed into Serb government email systems to read Belgrade's mind day by day, while some infiltrated their way into the internet systems of banks around the world in search of accounts held by Mr Milosevic and other Serbian leaders. There are divided views on whether they succeeded, but analysts agree that it was an early example of the wars yet to come, in which the struggle will turn on access to the enemy's financial and communications computer systems. With that in mind, the Pentagon set up a specialised agency two years ago aimed at securing US classified systems against a "cyber-terrorist attack" in which, for example, hostile hackers would cause chaos in the American skies by planting a "logic bomb" in air traffic control computers to scramble their software. Cyberwar proponents argue that Nato put the interests of financial stability first and decided not to erase Mr Milo sevic's bank accounts. They also argue that the west failed to use the non-lethal means at its disposal to disrupt Serb television propaganda. The CFR report said microwave technology could have disabled Belgrade's electronic equipment, while cruise missiles armed with carbon-fibre payloads could have shorted out the Serb electric grid. Alternatively, transmissions from neighbouring countries or
Re: [CTRL] The Clintonesque Lizzie Borden
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Bill Richer wrote: That's because, despite the evidence suggesting her guilt, the press favored Lizzie. There was just as much evidence pointing to others as being the culprit, especially "Uncle John" Morse, who just happened to have dropped in the day before and stayed the night... Anyone who does any extensive research into the Borden case (as I've been doing the past couple of months) quickly finds out that some sort of strange financial shenanigans were taking place in the weeks prior to the murders, in which "Uncle John" was in the middle... Dr. Bowen, who lived across the street, doesn't come off so well, either...the day before the murders, Mrs. Borden went to the good doctor complaining of illness (indeed, the whole household was ill, even the servant girl...the only person who didn't become ill was good old "Uncle John")...Mrs. Borden then revealed to the doctor her fear that 'someone' was trying to poison the familythe doctor basically told her not to be so foolish, and sent her home The next day, he was the first medical person on the scene after the bodies were discovered...and very quickly 'sedated' Lizzie with doses of morphine... Lizzie claimed her stepmother had gotten a postcard or letter right after breakfast, requesting the stepmother to attend a 'sick friend'...Lizzie used this as a defense, claiming she didn't know her stepmother was dead in the guest bedroom because she presumed her stepmother had gone out on the sick call... The letter was never found, and no one ever came forward claiming they'd sent it...so in the 'legend' of Lizzie Borden, this has been forwarded as an example of her many attempts to cover up her murder of her stepmother... And yet, it is right there in the police record, that the very afternoon of the murders, Dr. Bowen was seen in the kitchen, burning documents in the kitchen stovea police officer even asked him what he was doing, and Dr. Bowen's response was "oh, it's nothing", and amazingly the matter was pursued no further... As to the press favoring Lizzie...some did, and some didn't, and those that didn't were brutal, and didn't bother to check the validity of supposed eyewitness statements --- the most blatant case was of the Fall River Globe -- a 'liberal' Democrat newspaper -- printing a story claiming that the night before the murders, various passersby claimed they overheard her father arguing with her over the fact -- get this -- that 32-year-old Lizzie, who never had a male suitor, as far as anyone can determine -- was pregnant, obviously out of wedlock... Within a day, it was proven that the eyewitnesses named in that article did not in fact exist, neither were their home addresses real... The press divided along economic lines in the stance they took regarding Lizzie's guilt or innocenceAndrew Borden had been president of two banks, and on the board of directors of a couple of the major mills in townso the 'conservative' papers of a Republican bent tended to treat Lizzie very well, since she was considered 'on of their own'...the 'liberal' paper of a Democratic bent, on the other hand, tended to cast her as guilty, even before a trial was held Responding to the lawyers'cue, newspaper headlines and cartoons publicly vilified Blaisell for refusing to step down. Perhaps you can name these newspapers? Because in my research into the Borden murders, I've never seen one cartoon which 'vilified' Blaisdell, and the articles that supported the defense's stance only had relatively mild criticism of him. Gossip columnists painted the "accused" as a proper Victorian victim and More due the the feeling at the time that a proper lady of a good home would be incapable of such a heinous crime Remember, Lizzie WAS highly regarded in the community. She was an active church member, and taught Sunday School. Her most adamant support after she was arrested came from her minister and her fellow church members...indeed, it was a rare occurance that her minister didn't accompany her, leaning on his arm, to the inquest hearings and later trial. Outside the courtroom, Lizzie Borden enjoyed the status of a national celebrity and her "poll numbers" skyrocketed. Yes, the Borden murders are the American equivalent of the Jack-the-Ripper murders, in the way they caught the attention of the press. Like Clinton, her most visible and vocal supporters came from the organized women's movement of her day: the Women's Christian Temperance Movement Suffragettes and the Women's Auxiliary of the YMCA. To further her own public relations, Lizzie was always accompanied by two clergymen, Reverend Jubb and Reverend Buck. Who sincerely believed in her innocence. Trouble surfaced for Lizzie, though, when her friend Alice Russell gave grand jury testimony regarding a stained blue dress. At the inquest, Borden had testified that she'd worn a blue dress on the day of the murders, and that she had later
Re: [CTRL] *The Next Intellectuals*
-Caveat Lector- Should there be a Ph.D. program for public intellectuals? It would be redundant. Ph.D. stands for "Piled Higher and Deeper." Tenorlove who left academentia when she realized she spent more time cleaning her shoes than learning. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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From The Toronto Star
http://www.thestar.ca/thestar/editorial/updates/intlnews/20030.html
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Nov 05, 14:18 est
Some British Lords without peers
LONDON (CP)
Hereditary peers in the House of Lords learned Friday who among
them will soon lose an ancient privilege that has been passed down for
generations in the British aristocracy.
There was no celebrating as the chief clerk read out the names of the 75
hereditary peers who won election to sit as temporary members of the House of
Lords while the government figures out how the new upper chamber will be
configured.
``This is for me a day of sadness and regret that colleagues old and new are
retiring because the government has cut the ground from under their feet,''
said hereditary Tory peer Lord Skelmersdale.
The sense of sadness was accentuated by the death Friday of life peer Lord
Montague of Oxford, 67, who collapsed in the chamber shortly after speaking in
a debate. He died while being transferred by ambulance to a nearby hospital.
``For those who won it is no cause for celebration, it is an honour. For those
who lost it is no cause for shame,'' said Lord Strathclyde, Conservative leader
in the Lords, said following the reading of the results.
He insisted the hereditary peers had performed an important service to the
country and would be missed.
``They have time and time again stood up for common sense and the rights of the
weak and powerful governments of all colours. History will judge them better
than fashion now does.
``Parliament will be the less for their going.''
The first-ever elections for seats (albeit temporary ones) in the House of
Lords followed a process in which candidates were allowed to explain in 75
words or fewer why they should be chosen by their peers.
Baroness Strange, who noted she brings flowers to the House, was among the
lucky ones. Lord Monckton, who called for the muzzling of cats outdoors to stop
the killing of mice and birds, was unsuccessful in his bid, however.
At least two peers with Canadian connections failed to win a spot among the 75.
Lord Beaverbrook, grandson of New Brunswick newspaper baron Max Aitken, was
defeated in his bid for one of the 48 spots reserved for Conservatives.
And Montreal-born Lord Shaughnessy was not among the 28 crossbenchers
(independents) elected to continue to serve. He was not immediately available
for comment.
A third, Lord Thomson of Fleet, has never taken his seat in the Lords as it
would have required him to relinquish his Canadian citizenship. The Nickle
resolution of the Canadian Parliament blocks Canadians from accepting British
peerages. Lord Thomson of Fleet, or Ken Thomson, runs a vast Toronto-based
press, retail, and real estate empire.
The announcement of the results of the elections for seats in the House of
Lords came on the 394th anniversary of Guy Fawkes's failed bid to blow up
Parliament. Throughout Britain, celebrations marking that anniversary were to
take place Friday, with fireworks and the traditional burning of effigies known
as ``the Guy.''
But in the Lords, there was only a sense of sadness for the passing of the
centuries old institution which allows the Monarch, on the advice of the
government of the day, to bestow on the great and the good - and their heirs -
the right to sit in the upper chamber.
``I think this is a very sad day for the Lords and a sad day for the country,''
said Baroness Trumpington, a Conservative life peer.
There are 759 hereditary peers. Once reform of the upper house is completed,
only life peers - people rewarded for their own works who cannot pass on their
titles - will be allowed to sit.
In total, 92 hereditary peers will be allowed to remain in the chamber once the
current session of Parliament ends. That is expected to take place at the end
of next week.
In addition to the 75 announced Friday, an earlier election selected 15 office
holders. Two officials of the House, the Earl Marshall and the Lord Great
Chamberlain, did not have to face election.
Earlier this week the government also announced it was converting 10 hereditary
peerages into life peerages. Among the 10 are several former government leaders
in the Lords and Lord Snowdon, former husband of Princess Margaret.
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The UK King (Queen) Dom continues its unravelling. What will be interesting
to see is how the whole Britlander system of governing emerges once the
government casts off the remaining various parts of its former empire ... and
once the system itself is redefined. Assuming it's not actually mired in
quicksand up to there. AER
AER
~~~
Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel
[CTRL] Flanders
-Caveat Lector-
Everyone should take a trip to the 'poppy fields' of France and Belgium to
witness the rows upon rows upon rows of grave markers that occupy vast tracts
of land as memorials to those times. At Verdun, for example, is a great big
building, L'Ossuaire de Douaumont, that houses the bones of the unidentified,
presiding over a vast cemetary of fallen WW One combatants. AER
From
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/991106-13.htm
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REMEMBRANCE DAY
FLANDERS FIELDS REVISITED
by Scott Carpenter
Liberty Free Press
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders Fields.
John McCrae 1915
John McCrae died in 1918 as a result of injuries sustained in WWI. I
often wonder what he would have to say if he were here today to witness the
state that this once great nation has fallen into. Would he be oblivious like
most of us are to the decay of our democracy and the rise of the beast called
socialism? Or would he, like many of the vets I have spoken with lately,
complain bitterly about the intrusion of the state into our everyday lives?
Of course any answer to this question would be mere speculation. Or
would it?
Take up our quarrel with the foe
Who was John's foe? The Germans? On a superficial level the answer
may be that simple. But in any other possible universe the answer may have been
different. The fact of the matter is that John's foe, at least physically
speaking, could have been a number of different peoples. It is my assertion
that in fact John's foe was not simply « the German people » but rather the
ideology which they, at that point in history, happened to embody.
What ideology was that? Without going into a very nit picky and deep
analysis of Germany's history up to and including the beginning of the 20th
century one would have to classify it as fascism. John, in my opinion, was
calling on future generations to defend the ideals that he and his brethren
were giving their lives for. He and millions like him, died in the quest to
preserve our freedom.
But in what way have we honoured their sacrifice? Almost a hundred
years ago these brave men gave their lives so that our Common Wealth could
remain in a state of Liberty. But now, as I look around me I fear that we have
failed John and his comrades. I fear that the words of one WWII Veteran I
recently spoke with have come true:
« Scott, how can we believe that we have the right to life when our
own government won't recognize our right to own private property? For God's
sake that's what we were fighting for wasn't it? For our own freedom? Do they
think we are stupid? How can we call ourselves free when our own lives don't
even belong to us in the eyes of our government? I'm nearly dead son. I just
hope your generation has the courage to do something about it. »
« Each generation born into this world seems to understand less and less the
principles of individual liberty which made this continent so strong. »
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If the handing off of this torch were a football game my generation
has fumbled the ball. And perhaps so too has my father's. Each generation born
into this world seems to understand less and less the principles of individual
liberty which made this continent so strong. From Texas to the Yukon Canadians
and Americans have enjoyed lives free from conflict and oppression. But this is
changing and the mechanisms which degrade these principles come at us from
every legal and philosophical direction imaginable. From antitrust laws in the
U.S. to gun control in Canada, all serve one ultimate purpose: to subjugate the
individual to the power of the state. In another generation or two, with the
help of « Grand Fathering Clauses » and « Orders in Council » private ownership
of firearms will be non existent in this country. Lovers of Freedom and Liberty
are effectively being bred out of existence.
I read somewhere once that « If we truly cared about our children and
future generations, instead of demagoging about them, we'd worry more about
saving liberty than saving Social Security. » We have failed John because we
chose to turn to our government to take care us instead of looking after
ourselves. Dependence on the state breeds complacency. Complacency is the
handmaiden of tyranny for it is this quality that allows our leaders and
bureaucrats to expand their powers for « our own good ». In the rush to grab a
piece of the socialist pie we
[CTRL] [RuMills] Rumors of wars scapegoats
-Caveat Lector- Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:43:01 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RuMills] DOOMSDAY CULT ALERTS...WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT REALLY SAYING? (Ru Mills is still on the road, gathering information. More pieces of this puzzle will be published on her return) Why is the Media Beginning to Warn About Christian Doomsday Cults? Why is the media beginning to put out warnings about the Doomsday cults? Could it be that people in high places have alerted them that something major could happen? And if officials in government have sent out this alert, how and why can they be so sure that doomsday violence is just about to happen? Could it be that the Millennial Doomsday Cults have been created by the New World Order to usher in the New World Order and the New World Religion? RMNews readers who have heard the three hour lecture called, "Web of Lies...The Assassination of JFK, Jr." already know that certain people in our government are planning on blaming the Mossad for the murder of JFK, Jr. These same people will also blame Israel for the downing of flight 990. The pretext for Israel wanting to shoot down Flight 990 will be the mysterious Egyptian military officers who entered the airplane wihout identification. When the Egyptian papers finally admit who was killed when Flight 990 was shot down, everyone in the Islamic world will point to Israel as the perpetrator of this mass murder. This is all part of a plan that was set in motion over 50 years ago when the New World Order created Israel. Since the Gregorian calendar is not correct in relation to the actual date of the Millennia, no one is certain when the time of Armageddon, the final great battle before the Messiah or Jesus returns. During the Reagan administration there were many armageddonists who were pushing him to create an incident in the Middle East that would bring about Armageddon. The major push to bring this about came in 1986. Nancy Reagan and the Pope were provided information which documented what Reagan's advisors were pushing him to do. Within hours of the Pope and Nancy being briefed by people who had been briefed by Rayelan Allan and Barbara Honnegger, the incident was disfused, and it never arose again. We are now in the middle of another attempt to bring about Armageddon. All the pieces of the puzzle are in place. + The programmed Christian "sleepers" are already in Israel + They are armed with the right amount of explosive to blow up the Dome of the Rock---Islam's most Holy site. + Evidence has already been created which will link Israel to the deaths of JFK, JR and the downing of Flight 990. If Armageddon events unfold as certain people in our government wish them to, this is what will occur: + Traces of an explosive only used by the Mossad will be found on the wreckage of JFK, Jr's airplane. + Secret FBI documents, some of which have already been released, will be released to the media. These documents will appear to prove that Israel was behind the assassination of JFK, Jr. + Speculation will state that Israel was afraid that he would run for President on the Reform Party ticket. A best selling book that states the Kennedy family has always worked against Israel will be cited as evidence that Israel was afraid that a new President Kennedy would turn against Israel. + The media will whip up emotions around the world and the world will turn against Israel at just the same time the programmed Chistian sleepers will bomb the Dome of the Rock. + The Islamic world will blame Israel for this act. They will have precedent for their beiefs. About ten years ago, Islamic leaders uncovered Israeli tunnels under the Dome of the Rock. They accused Israel of trying to destroy the most holy place of Islam. At the time I was given the above iformation, I was told that I couldn't put out the whole story of the assassination of JFK, Jr. over the Internet. However, I did send warnings to friends in Israel who briefed the Mossad on what was being planned. I am now giving a warning to all people who living in Israel. The New World Order set up Israel to be destroyed. The very people who are planning the destruction of Israel are the very people who have done the most to see that Israel has survived for 50 years. These so called "Israeli Friends" are the same people who financed Adolph HItler. Israelis, Islamics and Aryans ALL must wake up NOW and realize that evil men who are not aligned with either of you, are manipulating age old hatred in order to use all of you to destroy each other so they can usher in martial law and set in motion the beginning of the New World Order and the New World Religion. If these people are successful in their plans, we will see a world which will closely resemble a marriage between the Catholic church of the dark ages, and Mao's Communist China. The government will no
Re: [CTRL] Chimpanzees More Genetically Diverse Than Humans
-Caveat Lector- They haven't fully sequenced human genes yet. Sometime around 2003/5. Chimps have a far lower priority, maybe 2010. This oft-repeated comparison between chimps and humans supposedly sharing 98% of the same DNA is false. 98% of the 30% identified is closer. Gavin. "Scientists make comparisons between humans and chimps because they are our closest cousins, sharing more than 98 percent of our DNA." Chimpanzees More Genetically Diverse Than Humans 2.00 p.m. ET (1900 GMT) November 4, 1999 By Maggie Fox WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Chimpanzees are far more genetically diverse than human beings are, researchers said on Thursday, a finding that has implications both for efforts to conserve endangered chimps and for learning more about human origins. A team of German genetic experts said their findings bolster suggestions that current human populations date back to some sort of "bottleneck" in evolution just a few hundred thousand years ago. Henrik Kaessmann and Svante Paabo of the Max-Planck-Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, compared the genes of both species of chimpanzees, as well as three subspecies. "The results show a strikingly lower amount of variation in humans than in chimps," Paabo said in a statement. "The simplest explanation for this is that at some rather recent point in the past, humans have been few in numbers. From a genetic point of view, this point could be the origin of modern humans." Scientists make comparisons between humans and chimps because they are our closest cousins, sharing more than 98 percent of our DNA. All animals have unique variations in genes from individual to individual. This variation can be meaningless, or can make the difference in, for instance, susceptibility to disease. Writing in the journal Science, Kaessmann's team said they examined genes from the three recognized subspecies of chimps - central African chimpanzees, western African chimpanzees and Eastern African chimpanzees. They also looked at bonobos, commonly known as dwarf chimpanzees. They looked at one gene called Xq13.3, which is found on the X chromosome, one of the two chromosomes related to sex. It has no known function, but it is known to have a low mutation rate and has been well studied in people. They found Xq13.3 has almost four times as many variants and is three times as old in chimps as in humans. This supports other studies that find humans are extremely closely related to one another genetically despite what geneticists consider to be arbitrary designations of "race." The researchers assumed that chimpanzees and humans diverged from a common ancestor 5 million years ago, and made comparisons. It is possible to estimate how long ago the animals in a common population had a common ancestor by looking at the rate of mutations in a gene. This is one method used to determine the age of the "ancestral Eve" from whom all humans are theoretically descended. This has been done with both humans and chimpanzees using a form of DNA called mitochondrial DNA. The German team's use of Xq13.3 came up with different estimates. They determined that the most common ancestor of chimps lived 1.4 million years ago, while humans can date their genetic Adam and Eve to just 450,000 years ago. Mitochondrial DNA research suggests the human Eve lived about 200,000 years ago. Scientists will have to work this all out but Kaessmann and colleagues said it is the differences between humans and chimpanzees, not the absolute number of years, that matter in their work. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 11/6/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - World Economy Europe Raises Interest Rates Slowly, but surely, the vise closes. The European Central Bank on Thursday raised interest rates by 0.5 percentage points in a bid to contain inflation and lay to rest uncertainty over the course of monetary policy. The increase, the first since the launch of the euro, took the ECB's refinancing rate to 3 per cent. It was accompanied in London by the Bank of England raising rates by 0.25 percentage points to 5.5 per cent. Financial markets had anticipated the ECB's move, which reversed a reduction of 0.5 percentage points made in April in response to fears of recession and deflation in the euro-zone. Wim Duisenberg,the ECB's president, said: "We were very sure that, had we moved by 25 basis points, we would have created expectations and speculation in markets that there would be another step to follow. That is precisely what we did not want." He said the rate rise was intended to counter accelerating private credit and money supply growth, rising industrial producer prices and the possibility of high wage settlements in next year's pay negotiations. "All indicators point in the direction that the risks on the upside are increasing," he said. The ECB signalled in July that it was moving to a tightening bias in its monetary policy but Ernst Welteke, the new Bundesbank head, was reluctant to support an early rate rise because Germany's economic recovery was less strong than in other euro-zone countries, notably France. The ECB's forecasts, and those of other international institutions, suggested that annual inflation would remain below the ECB's target ceiling of 2 per cent, but there was a risk that the level of 1.5 to 1.7 per cent would be breached, said Mr Duisenberg. Economists welcomed the size of the increase, saying a smaller rise might have fuelled suspicions of a dispute in the ECB's 17-member Governing Council. In the UK, robust pay growth, soaring house prices and buoyant consumer spending have strengthened the case for a tighter monetary policy. Underlying inflation, at 2.1 per cent, is below the government's 2.5 per cent target. However, the rapid recovery in output is expected to stoke price pressures. British banks reacted to the rate rise, the second in three months, by raising their interest rates. Halifax, the country's biggest mortgage lender, has put its lending rates under review, with a decision expected today. The rate rise disappointed exporters, who said it would hurt manufacturers by sending the pound higher. The Bank did not explain the move, only the second time it has failed to issue a statement with a change in interest rates. This prompted speculation of a dispute among members of its monetary policy committee and a rift over policy. The pound ended London trading at $1.637 against the dollar, half a cent down. The euro traded slightly weaker at $1.074. The Financial Times, November 5, 1999 Drug Policy Reno's Ibo-Gate Did Friends of First Family Steal the Cure for Heroin Addiction? Ibogaine...Is the first true cure for drug addiction being withheld from the American people while powerful insiders close to Janet Reno try to steal the patent from the man who invented it? Based on its own, independent investigation, the Miami newsweekly NEW TIMES concluded the Howard Hughes Foundation-backed U. of Miami was perpetrating an outright rip-off of Howard Lotsof's Ibogaine cure--the first one-dose, broad-spectrum treatment for polydrug dependency (coke, dope, nicotine, alcohol, speed..).[ see http://miaminewtimes.com/1997/091197/feature1-1.html] But did Dr. Deborah Mash and her husband Joe Geller (chairman of the Dade County Democratic party and close buddy of Hugh Rodham; brother of Congressman Geller of Miami) use their insider status and powerful connections to have Howard Lotsof brought up on specious criminal charges in Holland when their civil suit failed? When Deborah Mash and Lee Hearn (Dade Co Medical Examiner long time Reno associate) testified in that proceeding, was their way have been cleared or facilitated in some way by the Attorney General of the United States, as part of a broader conspiracy to blacklist and defraud? Ibogaine is the story of how a small band of 60's radicals cut off behind enemy line under Ronald Reagan developed a super-weapon against Oliver North and the Contra crack conspiracy...an African rainforest substance that could wipe out coke and heroin addiction and end the drug war on terms favorable to the counter-culture. It is the story of how one man, Howard Lotsof, his wife Norma Alexander and a handful of followers started an international movement and forced authorities to do something--how the National Institute on Drug Abuse finally looked into it, spent $4 million at Medication development and another $20 million in block grants, then
[CTRL] Fwd: Who's working for who now ...........
Who's working for who now... TIGGY AND THE SPOOK When Wills' and Harry's former nanny tied the knot, an air if genteel society charm prevailed. But her new husband has some very shadowy connections. Mark Hollingsworth gets behind the elegant façade. The wedding of Tiggy Legge-Bourke, former nanny to Princes William and Harry, and Charles Pettifer was, because of her royal connections, a high-profile affair. But, away from the grainy paparazzi shots, there was a more shadowy side to it, one which embraced the murky worlds of military intelligence and private security consultancy For Legge-Bourke, an assistant to Prince Charles who has lived in an apartment at St James's Palace for the past five years, has married into the business of espionage and specialised security services. Her husband is chief executive of Rapport Research and Analysis Ltd., which supplies corporations with former SAS officers to protect their interests in high-risk countries. Rapport also employs a large number of former Intelligence Corps warrant officers, who have been carefully investigated by MI5 for security clearance. In some cases, they were subject to enhanced vetting because of the sensitive nature of their work - running secret informants and handling classified documents at the Ministry of Defence. Fellow former military intelligence officers had no doubt about the company's role. "You're a front for the bloody spooks," an amused contact jibed at Dodd, who went bright red and denied the claim. Rapport's close relationship with government was illustrated by the company's chairman, Sir Robin Ross. A former Royal Marine commandant who retired in 1996, Ross served in the Middle East and the Caribbean. He represents the company at a senior level in dealing with clients, the MoD and Foreign Office and other government departments. Rapport's speciality is what it calls "crisis and contingency planning for companies operating in high-risk areas". Its main clients are multi-national oil and gold corporations with interests in North Africa and the Middle East. If the country is perceived as unstable, Rapport will send in operatives to gather intelligence and assess the security risk to commercial activity. If the conditions are favourable, they can then supply bodyguards and security personnel. Pettifer also set up Unique Security Consultants Ltd., which provides former SAS officers as bodyguards for private clients. Pettifer was company secretary and a director until May 1997, when he resigned to concentrate on Rapport. Security sources are divided about Rapport and Unique's precise relationship with state agencies like military intelligence and MI6. One view is that Rapport is a front for the spooks and is, in effect, a privatised agency. Another source says companies like Rapport are merely adapting intelligence methodology and information to the commercial sector to make money He claims it is more likely that MI6 uses such companies after they have been set up, rather than consciously incorporating them in advance. Pettifer's new wife will no doubt find her new cloak-and-dagger world intriguing, but it will not be too unfamiliar: her father was a captain in the British army before becoming a banker, her mother is a lady-in-waiting to Princess Anne and her brother is an officer in the Welsh guards. Tiggy has known Pettifer since they were teenagers, when they had a brief romance while he was at Eton and she was at Heathfield, near Ascot. They remained friends even when Pettifer was married to Camilla Wyatt, and Legge-Bourke was godmother to their children. It wasn't until late 1996, early 1997 when their relationship became more intimate. As for Princes William and Harry, Legge-Bourke remains close to them and they are delighted at their former nanny's choice of husband. William is an admirer of the SAS and, apparently, has told his father that he wants to join the Special Forces. To what extent Pettifer will exploit his royal links is unclear. One thing is for sure the security at his wedding was tight and omnipresent. == Punch #93 - November 6-19 1999
Re: [CTRL] What a Wonderful World by Carla Binion
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WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD
by Carla Binion
Ok, what is the GOP trying to pull? They're kidding with this George W. for
president deal, right? It's not just that George flunked when asked by a
reporter to name the leaders of four different countries. (I can almost hear
strains of Dubya's theme song: "Don't know much about history, don't know
much about geography...") And, yes, I did personally know the names of the
four leaders. It's that when he mentioned the coup in Pakistan, he said the
coup was a good thing because it would help bring stability to the region.
Whoa! Warning, warning, danger, danger, CIA-speak! Who did this guy's
programming?
It's a matter of public record that the CIA often sings the praises of one
miltary dictator or another for "bringing stability to a region." This is
not a sentiment that most Americans in possession of all pertinent facts
would likely share -- not that we're allowed much say about it. What gives
one pause is that the phrase "bringing stability to the region" (and ask
yourself: what average American routinely uses that phrase?) rolled off
Dubya's tongue so easily, as his lizard-brain reflexes took over when his
frontal lobe dropped the ball. Those darting, reptilian eyes said it all as
the interview progressed. The Dubya was stumped, but his programming did
kick in and sort of slop out for all the world to see.
The last thing we need is yet another affable, passive CIA stooge for
president. Been there, done that. Two recent Democratic presidents, Carter
and Clinton, have occasionally at least held their own on foreign affairs and
stood up to the intelligence services with independent opinions. Carter made
a stab at cleaning up the CIA and resisted CIA policies in Iran, and Clinton
opened some intelligence files. Neither was a total CIA doormat with a blank
check as Reagan and Bush were -- and as Shrub would likely be.
Another thing we don't need is yet another, shall we say, Quayle-like mind in
high political office. We had one Dan Quayle near the presidency, and we all
knew right away that was a no go. Why is it taking so long for Republicans
to see George W. isn't any more viable than Quayle was? What more evidence
do they need -- Shrub's telling us in an interview that the "Kosovians" and
the "Grecians" are actually from America? ("Don't know much about a science
book. Don't know much about the French I took...")
We need to get a message to the GOP: Save yourselves some time and money.
Do not back this racehorse. Or, maybe we should just sit back and watch the
horse stumble as he gets closer to the finish line. Unless the CIA plans to
fully rig the election, I can't imagine how George W. is confident he's going
to be our next president. Maybe dad's friends at Langley have worked out
some deal with the "Kosoviogrecians" to have them show up in droves at the
ballot boxes. Or maybe the Gore camp can alert the public to Dubya's obvious
flaws soon enough to reverse his mind boggling lead and prevent yet another
CIA presidency. What a wonderful world it would be.
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[CTRL] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition of God.
-Caveat Lector- Dear Franklin, Thank you for your letter. I am glad you have clarified what you wrote. It seems that it was only a matter of the use of language and that we both agree with each other, at least about everything we have discussed so far. Humans are acting illegally rather than being illegal, i.e. that they should not exist, as could be inferred from your statement. Never mind, at least now everyone knows what we both meant. As you are quite rightly so concerned about the state of affairs in Canada in particular and presumably in the rest of the world too, perhaps you would be willing to save yourself a lot of time and effort and achieve what you want to achieve by a straighter and therefore shorter route. "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line." That shortest route is the recovery of The Ark of The Covenant from the Hill of Tara (Torah), as I have outlined below, by writing to the Irish Minister for Heritage to persuade her to give me a "permit to dig" a tiny area of grass, just 2 metres by 2 metres at Tara. Only by showing The Ark to the world and showing them the Stone Tablets can you prove to the Canadian people; whose overwhelming support you will need in order to achieve your goal; that The Bible is not a story book that someone made up and that it, and The Law of God is True. Then they might listen. ALL of them. Please therefore start a campaign and enlist the help of everyone you can, to help persuade Sile (Sheila) de Valera to give me the "permit to dig" that I need in order to recover The Ark of The Covenant, and return Canada and the world to God's Laws. Peace be upon you, JAH. - Original Message - From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JAH Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [2ndrepoftexas] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition of God. I read your web site and I think we could express the conflict as that between "ego" and "super-ego" (without buying into Freud's misinterpretation of these concepts). "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity". So ego or vanity usually wins. The super-ego, as spiritual plane rarely wins in this world. Your web site puts it in more Biblical terminology as mammon vs. God. I think there is a great benefit in expressing these issues in words we all can understand, ie the vernacular. As for "unlawful humanity and unlawful laws of humanity", the two are inextricably intertwined. So we read "There is none righteous, no not one" and "All our righteousness is as filthy rags", etc. If man's laws are not righteous in God's eyes, how can the inventors of those laws be righteous? Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not obsessed with "Vatican bashing" any more than "Jew bashing" or anything else along those lines. The nation of Israel, good/bad/indifferent in its outcome at least deserves full credit for attempting a modern theocracy. And so do the 50 or so members of the OIC, Organization of the Islamic Council. When is Christendom going to even attempt to design a "Godly society" vs. the "Godless society" warned of by Bob Wenman, MP in 1981. Wenman wasn't the only MP warning of that outcome in the 1981 Commons Debates which Dennis Mills, MP sent me. S.J. Korchinski, MP went so far as to say, "Nothing short of separation or revolt will extricate Canadians from the mess we are in today." Mr. Wenman went so far as to talk about the "DESECRATION" of the values of a Godly society by the Liberal Government. Jean Chretien was Justice Minister then. He is Prime Minister today, and I believe his grand strategy is the DESECRATION OF A GODLY SOCIETY. The Godless Society of Chretien et al. is one in which child-murdering, sodomite-loving Christ-haters are hegemonic, in which usury, greed and media lying is institutionalized. This has happened by design. Cowardly, shallow boot-lickers like the so-called "Christian Heritage Party", "Trinity Western University" and "Missionfest" lick their boots for a few pieces of silver while congratulating themselves on the feedom of religion in this country. And that explains why I have a human rights complaint going against Mfest, billed as the biggest missionary meet in the world. I am arguing that they have no lawful right to discriminate against any world religion in issuing display booths. Having other world religions proseltyizing at Mfest 2000 in Vancouver might force the boot-lickers to tell everyone what a "Godly Society" is like. Of course they will keep fleeing from the light of truth like the cockroaches that they are but this would "put them over a barrel" so to speak. But back to the matter of unrighteous humankind even attempting to articulate a righteous society. While the Bible is clear about how far humankind has fallen or regressed, it is also clear that a Godly
[CTRL] British Lord Montague Dies
-Caveat Lector- Sounds fishy to me. -- LONDON (AP) - Michael Jacob Montague, a businessman who was elevated to the House of Lords in 1997, died Friday shortly after collapsing in Parliament. He was 67. Fellow lords tried to resuscitate Lord Montague of Oxford as he slumped forward in his seat minutes after taking part in a debate on renewable energy. The house was immediately adjourned for the day. Montague died en route to a hospital, the Labor Party announced. As a major donor to Tony Blair's Labor Party, Montague was involved in controversy when he was made a peer by Blair less than four months after the prime minister's election. His peerage was dubbed by the opposition Conservative party as an example of "cash for coronets." Montague was born March 10, 1932, and educated at Oxford University. He started his business career as a traveling salesman of electric wire and then founded his own electrical firm, Gatehill Beco Ltd., at the age of 26. It was bought four years later by a company called Valor after his first million-dollar order from the United States. By 1965 he had risen - at the age of 33 - to become chairman of the National Export Council for Asia. He held that post for six years, traveling the world selling British products ranging from nuts and bolts to aircraft. He was awarded a CBE, or Citizen of the British Empire, by Queen Elizabeth II in 1970 in recognition of his services to the nation. Montague was chairman of the English Tourist Board from 1979 to 1984. During that time, he made outspoken attacks on what he regarded as "second rate" hoteliers, "greedy" seaside impresarios and "grubby" motorway caterers. He also criticized taxi drivers for taking large tips from tourists, museum attendants for being "miserable" and waiters for being "surly." And he urged the public to boycott places offering poor value for money. On leaving the tourist board, he became chairman of the National Consumer Council. Funeral arrangements were not immediately announced. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Neo-British Empire of the Crown -- 500 Year Chronology
-Caveat Lector- .. Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mar 12 07:18:37 1995 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 19:27:31 -0500 (EST) From: James Daugherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: New Paradigms Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Weekly Up-date [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Neo-British Empire of the Crown -- 500 Year Chronology A-albionic Reasearch Weekly Up-Date of 3-4-95 and 3-11-95 ^ Contents 1. Power Organisms 2. The British Empire 3. The Crown's "International Bankers" 4. Dialectical Method 5. Prestige Associations 6. Key Enemy, Allied, and Manipulated Organisms 7. Manipulated National Organism: The 3-Bloc World 8. Mysticims and the Occult 9. Primacy of Geopolitics 10. A Tentative Chronology a) Seizing Power in Insular Albion 1485-1694 b) The Drive for World Domination 1694-1815 c) The World Reign of the Crown 1815-1946 d) The Neo-British Empire 1947 to Present === Editor's Note: This summary of research hypotheses and 500 year chronology is reprinted from A-albionic's Summer 1985 _Project_. Subsequently, the _Project_ theories have been subsequently revised and up-dated many times. Eventually, I will post the revisions. -James Daugherty === "The British Empire is An Executive Summary of the Progress the Central Phenomenon of a Private Network of Researchers of World History Since the Dedicated to Identifying the Decline of the Vatican" Nature of the Ruling Class/Conspiracy August-September 1985 Double Issue Volume II Numbers 6 7 Progress to Date Over its first ten months of directed research and "public networking", the initial hypotheses of the Project (See November, 1984 Project) have remained essentially uncontradicted, but have been expanded, clarified, elaborated, and, most importantly, organized into a coherent hierarchical structure through which we can begin to comprehend history as the product of conspiring elites and the power organisms they create, sustain, and manipulate. I. Power Organisms. To bridge the gap between "conspiracy" and "history". that is. to respond to the charge that it is ludicrous to claim that "history is a conspiracy", we postulate the concept of "power organisms", which once programmed by their founders, take-on a "life of their own". A wide variety of power organisms, sub-organisms, and supra-organisms exist. II. The British Empire. The British Empire (NBE or Neo-British Empire since World War II) constitutes a world supra-organism which includes many organisms and sub-organisms that are manipulated on multiple political, spiritual/psychological, military, economic, and scientific levels. Its primary, relatively directly controlled organs are: A. Financial. ^^ The "World Money Cartel" or "Empire of the City (of London)" operated for the "Crown" by the "legendary" Merchant Bankers of the Bank of England, including the Warburgs, Rothschilds, Barings, Brown-Shipley, Schroeders, Morgan-Grenfels, Lazard Freres, etc. with outposts in New York, Paris, Hamburg, Hong Kong, Switzerland, etc., provide the financial muscle required to achieve the "balance of power in all important arenas. B. Secret Societies. ^ Masonry and its myriad of Illuminist, Jewish Cabalist, and Sufi offshoots form a coherent (at the top) world-wide propaganda, intelligence, promotion control, and covert action capability at the command of the Neo-British Empire. Covert action ranges from violent "destabilizations" of runaway governments and Institutions (world revolution) to subtle "planting" of "useful" idea and movements such as communism, ecology, drug revolution, New Age Movement, Bible Prophesy, British Israel/Identity, etc. III. The Crown's International Bankers. The "Crown", or "High Cabal" in Winston Churchill's phrase, is the British Royal Family and its allied and inter-married European Royal/Noble Dynasties such as Hesse, von Thurn und Taxis, Orange, Mountbatten, Cecil, etc. ultimately at the helm of the currently dominant, parasitical world supra-organism or "ruling class/conspiracy." The extent to which the Crown" can actually change long-standing directions of the NBE without risking being ground beneath its wheels can, for now, only be surmised. It must be assumed that a
[CTRL] Norwegian and U.S. security: a clash of cultures
-Caveat Lector- The last sentence made me chuckle. Tenorlove - Norwegian and U.S. security: a clash of cultures By Tanya Pang OSLO, Oct 28 (Reuters) - U.S. President Bill Clinton will trigger one of the biggest security operations in sleepy Norway when he lands in his Air Force One plane at Oslo airport on Monday. Norwegians are likely to gape at Clinton driving in a bullet-proof limousine through Oslo streets where Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik or even King Harald can sometimes be seen strolling. "Two completely different worlds will meet when President Bill Clinton comes to Oslo," the tabloid Verdens Gang said in a recent editorial. "One can speak to the hosts, represented by Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik, in a hot dog queue at a soccer match. It is guaranteed that you cannot do that with his American guest, who is always surrounded by the world's tightest security operation." Clinton arrives on November 1 on a two-day official visit to Norway, the first by a U.S. president, to attend a commemoration of the fourth anniversary of the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Also due are Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Palestinian President Yasser Arafat and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Officials hope that meetings on the sidelines of the memorial might help to push ahead the Middle East peace process between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The negotiations are entering a crucial final round after several years of deadlock. The initial interim peace accords were sealed after secret talks hosted by Norway in 1993. RETHINK AFTER SWEDISH P.M. GUNNED DOWN But forget the politics, most Norwegians are more interested in Clinton and his entourage, which local media expect to be between 500 and 900 strong. The event has sparked a massive police operation in Norway with secret-service bodyguards, sharpshooters and bullet-proof limousines that are the stuff of American action movies. Norway declines to say how many hundreds of police are taking part. Police say a comparable security net has been deployed only a few times before in Norway, such as in 1994 when Rabin, Arafat and then Israeli foreign minister Shimon Peres received the Nobel Peace Prize, and three years earlier for the funeral of King Olav. The assassination of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, gunned down in 1986 on his way home from the cinema, caused a tightening of security in the Nordic region, but controls are still lax compared with other regions. Bondevik, the present prime minister, is relatively untethered and has been seen emerging from the barbers near his office in central Oslo. His minders are discreetly hidden during frequent visits to his favourite soccer club, Molde. Security was stepped up around Bondevik and his family for a while earlier this year for fear of attacks after NATO began bombing the former Yugoslavia. Norway is a NATO member and supported the action against Belgrade. Top politicians and government ministers are often seen unaccompanied in Oslo's main shopping area near parliament. Many cabinet ministers' private telephones are listed in the phone book. Queen Sonja and Crown Prince Haakon Magnus were recently seen on a Sunday afternoon visiting at an art exhibition in central Oslo without any pomp and ceremony. Sonja and King Harald sometimes slip out of the palace to go to the cinema. The Clinton entourage has booked the entire 37-storey, 673-room Oslo Plaza Hotel, the tallest building in Scandinavia, where the president will occupy the sumptuous King Suite. Russian President Boris Yeltsin resided in the same suite during a state visit in 1996, as did opera tenor Luciano Pavarotti, for whom the giant bed had to be reinforced. 05:19 10-28-99 __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
