I've looked through the archives, and have not found a similar situation
to mine, so here goes:
1) I can re-download v1.5 firmware to the KRC2 without a hitch.
2) Every time I try to use the config utility, it first tells me 'v1.5'
firmware is loaded, then it tells me that 'No KRC2 found', with
Yep. I have the same problem, or at least had it, since I haven't tried
it for quite a while. I've tried all sorts of things including a
(gasp!) real serial port, and nothing worked.
The most peculiar thing is that I have no problem re-flashing the KRC2,
but I can't change the configuration
Folks,
I'm in great need of a 432 MHz transverter (actually if the transmitter
doesn't work, that's OK).
I'm in the SE Mich area, and can meet someone to pick it up.
This is work-related, and I need it for a road trip that is currently
(last-minute) scheduled for this coming Monday, Jan 25,
#3104
Original Message
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: XV432 Transverter (receive-only OK)
From: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Date: Thu, January 21, 2010 6:43 am
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Folks,
I'm in great need of a 432 MHz transverter (actually if the transmitter
I don't like the idea of a can of oil sitting in the house, -- in
particular, if you don't know what kind of oil might be lurking in that
old Cantenna. Note that prior to the A suffix models, Heath
recommended transformer oil, and had no warnings against using oils that
contained PCBs. After
That's really the crux of the issue.
I didn't intend to make it sound like a scare tactic.
But, if you have something you suspect may contain PCBs, your life gets
more complicated.
I feel sorry for the folks that get stuck with suspect materials,
because it will be a royal pain to get rid of it
that are not commensurate with
the real risk.
Back to your regularly scheduled reflector now.
- Jim, KL7CC
Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
I don't like the idea of a can of oil sitting in the house, -- in
particular, if you don't know what kind of oil might be lurking in that
old Cantenna
Funny, I found myself searching through the menus, looking for the VOX
Delay, and found that it is right on the front panel.
Push and hold the Speed/Mic knob. In CW mode, it is the semi QSK delay.
In SSB mode, it is the Vox delay.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Unfortunately, 100% DEET has been unavailable in the 'lower 48' for
several years, now. I covet the supply I have left from my days of
going fishing with the in-laws in upper Saskatchewan.
I guess when I run out, I can do a 'border run', as I live in SE
Michigan. I hear it is still sold in
Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4
It's the Chrysler Turbo Encabulator, and is followed with a Chrysler
technician giving training on how to diagnose one, including hooking a
DRB-II to the unit. A real double-hoot.
I'm currently employed by Chrysler (in Wireless Body
It seems that High Sierra is like a number of other screwdriver antenna
companies that live in California or Arizona, where they never encounter
winter weather with the salt fog spray that is common when driving in
northen climates in the winter time.
I rebuilt my 1800HS so many times I finally
Eric,
I guess I'd feel better knowing that the paper list I filled in at
Dayton has somehow made it into the system. Is there a way to show a
page perhaps of callsigns registered (so as to protect some semblance of
privacy)?
Otherwise, all us 'paper pushers' will be clogging up the electronic
As with all things RF, your mileage may vary.
I have a wall-type clock I picked up at Dayton a year or so ago, in the
bargain pile in the flea market for $10 (brand name unknown, but it has
a sticker on the back that says Made in China). Works fine, until you
get a marginal signal from WWVB
Actually, a bluetooth interface, especially for headset use, is a
serious consideration.
Most states have enacted a patchwork of anti-cellphone laws that to a
greater or lesser degree adversely impact amateur (and other) radio
operators. The purpose of this comment is NOT to start a thread on
Ben,
Someone recently had written an article (in QST?) about re-purposing
some of the steering-wheel mounted switches in his vehicle. He was
snooping on the vehicle bus for this application. Not for the timid, I
would think, and pretty specialized by vehicle manufacturer.
Otherwise, mounting a
pm
To: 'Dave New, N8SBE' n8...@arrl.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Dave I think you raise some very good points. The need for an Amateur
Wireless User Interface (AWUI) is a great one. Note I did not say blue tooth
for good reason.
Bluetooth is full duplex where clearly a half-duplex
Nicely offset my ground shipping costs, Bill. Thanks!
Counting printing and shipping time, the book should arrive in time for
this year's Field Day.
I intend to bring the book our to our W8UM/ARROW joint Field Day effort
along with my K3/P3, and wave it about, to see if I can generate any
more
Wayne,
What I guess I don't understand is why the TXCO functionality was never
finished. Seems like that would help a number of accuracy/calibration
issues, and I bought the .5 ppm option expecting that it would be
useful.
I'm disappointed in what appears to be a decision to abandon finishing
and K144XV
From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
Date: Thu, June 09, 2011 2:08 pm
To: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Tim Taylor tim-tay...@comcast.net,
David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
Dave,
The 49 MHz 1-ppm oscillator is a TXCO, and it works well (0.5 ppm
from 0
09, 2011 2:08 pm
To: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Tim Taylor tim-tay...@comcast.net,
David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
Dave,
The 49 MHz 1-ppm oscillator is a TXCO, and it works well (0.5 ppm
from 0 to 50 C). Originally we thought we would not be able to hit
The long recharge times (at least with the supplied/supported
Sanyo/Panasonic chargers) are off-putting.
I use Duracell Renewals that come with a lightweight switching power
supply to re-charge my camera flash AA batteries in 1/2 hour (they will
actually tolerate a 15 minute charge cycle). That
: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Date: Thu, June 09, 2011 2:51 pm
To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Tim Taylor tim-tay...@comcast.net
Sorry, Seiko is the RTC -- google for S35390A_E.pdf
Dallas (Maxim) is the TXCO supplier -- google for DS32kHz-DS32KHZS.pdf
73
The University of Michigan ARC and the Washtenaw County ARROW
Communications Association will jointly operate Field Day this year as
Class 5A at Domino's Farms, Domino's World Headquarters, Ann Arbor, MI.
All stations, except the GOTA station, will use the UMARC call sign
W8UM.
We will use a K3
Joel,
Amazing that no one has yet pointed out the obvious solution -- get a
heavier radio.
The K3 is just too darn light -- you need a MAN'S radio, one of those
YaeComWood 50-pounders.
I bet then it won't slide, no matter what you are trying to plug into
it.
(Said firmly with tongue in cheek,
Real radios glow in the dark?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Make the Feet Stickier
From: Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk
Date: Wed, March 14, 2012 3:02 pm
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Dave New, N8SBE wrote
Bob,
I had forgotten about that option. I have a subreceiver in my K3, and
it certainly doesn't move around on the desk like it used to.
Even better, it will certainly help Elecraft's sales, if everyone buys a
sub for their K3.
A brilliant suggestion.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original
Do you have any transverters or other possible spurious noise sources
hooked up?
I noticed that once I hooked up my Elecraft 2 M and 70 cm transverters
that noticeable spurious lines started showing up. I haven't had time
to try to chase it down, yet.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original
I dunno. Beats me. You sure it doesn't move when you spin the VFO B
knob?
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Basics
From: Pete Meier pme...@me.com
Date: Tue, March 20, 2012 8:39 am
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Ok folks,
I'll try this
Use Larry's N8LP LP-Bridge to intermediate:
http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html
I had been using it prior to getting my P3, so I could share HRD or N1MM
with the PowerSDR/IF program and Larry's LP-Pan, and never had any AGC
issues with the K3.
When I dropped usage of Larry's LP-Pan for the P3, I
Aside from the AGC issue, I found that I couldn't navigate the config
menus from the K3 front panel while HRD was running.
It was hammering the rig so hard that it was hanging the config menu
system. As soon as I unplugged the cable, I got control of the menus
back. This was very repeatable.
Seems that implementing 1920 x 1080 at 58 Hz, instead of 60 Hz, is at
the root of the issue.
Seems that there are a great number of monitors that don't grok the 58
Hz stuff properly at that resolution.
Have you hit a limit in the chip set such that you can't implement 1920
x 1080 at 60 Hz?
That
I really like the one shown at the link below.
Seems like Elecraft could give one with any order at the show. Kind of
like the K3 t-shirts they handed out with orders a few years ago -- one
of my most treasured t-shirts. I make a point out of wearing it at
local hamfests and for ARROW Field
Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA
From: Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com
Date: Fri, March 30, 2012 2:21 pm
To: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Hi Dave,
58 Hz is the vertical sync not the horizontal. The horizontal sync
seems to be the issue.
73
Just a hunch, but if you have a KCR2, make sure it is powered if it is
connected to the AUX port. A couple of weeks ago, I had unplugged the
power cable form the KCR2, and when the rig was powered on, it hung and
did all sorts of odd things, including not powering off in response to
the K3 front
Try unplugging all AUX and RS-232 cables from the back of the K3. I've
had computer programs that were accessing the K3 'hang' and then you
couldn't manipulate the menu system from the front panel, until I
unplugged the offending cable(s).
Resetting whatever external box/computer is misbehaving
Roger saith:
When I had the I/O printed circuit board out of the case, I noticed
that the earth planes for the power supply section and RS232 section are
separated by a zig zag gap.
Ouch! That indicates that whoever laid out the board had no idea that
'gapping' the board is a BAD IDEA(tm).
: hawley, charles j jr c-haw...@illinois.edu
Date: Mon, February 18, 2013 1:08 pm
To: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Cc: Roger Crofts ro...@monitorsensors.com,elecraft reflector
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
What does the zig zag gap look like and what is the issue with it? Or...how
does
Interesting hint to those that use Google Calendar to keep track of net
times, etc.
I had put these times on my calendar in what I thought was UTC, but it
turns out that 'London' time GMT+00 observes daylight savings time, thus
throwing the calendar off by one hour if you live in a local time
If it's not found to be a TV monitor with an approximate 40 kHz
horizontal sweep rate, then the next most likely will be a switching
power supply that runs at 40 kHz, rich in harmonics. I'd look for LED
lighting that comes on in the evening, like under-cabinet kitchen
lighting, or low-voltage
The University of Michigan ARC and the Washtenaw County ARROW
Communication
Association will jointly operate Field Day again this year as
Class 4A at Domino's Farms, Domino's World Headquarters, Ann Arbor, MI.
All stations, except the GOTA station, will use the UMARC call sign
W8UM.
We will use
Shouldn't be, since the special authorization for 600 meters expired in
the US at the end of 2010.
A shame, too, since I was the lucky(?) winner of the 600m transverter
kit at the 2011 FDIM.
I ended up doing some swapping with the rep and got a dual band 40 and
20 meter receiver kit, instead.
to pick up some nice QRP kits.
Sorry for the commercial nature of the message. I'm not tied to these
folks in any way, other than having a (still unassembled) receiver kit.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WSPR
From: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
I'll be at the Detroit Maker Faire this weekend at the Henry Ford
Museum, in a joint effort of the Ford Amateur Radio League (FARL), the
Livonia Amateur Radio Club (LARC) and the Washtenaw (ARROW) club,
running special callsign N8M.
I'll be bringing my K3/P3 (both built from kits) to show off and
I have the hand mic on the front, and the Heil HC-4 set on the back, so
one takes bias, and the other doesn't. Also, one takes hi gain, the
other doesn't.
I find that when I switch from front to rear and back, my K3 remembers
the gain, but not the bias. I have to remember to change the bias,
Don't hold your breath. I've been waiting literally for years to get
the configuration code fixed. Apparently because it works for some
folk, then it must be my fault I haven't been able to get it to work on
no less then three different computers, some with real serial ports.
I need to program
. It gathers band data
from the Aux line and looks pretty slick. If I needed a box that did
more than just drive my bandpass filters I would own one!
Mike W0MU
J6/W0MU November 21 - December 1 2011 CQ WW DX CW
W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net
On 10/14/2011 10:26 AM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
Don't
: [Elecraft] [K3]_[KRC2]_Is_there_a_KRC3_in_the_w orks?
From: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Date: Fri, October 14, 2011 2:25 pm
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
To be clear, I have no issues with interfacing the KRC2 with external
devices.
The only issue I've
Original Message
Subject: Re: [K3]_[KRC2]_Is_there_a_KRC3_in_the_w orks?
From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
Date: Fri, October 14, 2011 3:01 pm
To: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sorry, Dave, the program was written in Visual Basic for an earlier PC
OS
orks?
From: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Date: Fri, October 14, 2011 3:12 pm
To: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Thanks, Wayne.
Like I said, everyone at Elecraft has been super nice about this, but as
you say, priorities seem to be getting in the way of having
I think we already had our hint, when it was mentioned that the KAT500
was the same height as the W2.
1.5 high station monitor, anyone?
To REALLY put the nail in the coffin (Yaesu, cough, cough) it could have
stereo speakers (ducks boat anchors lobbed at him).
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
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Operating split on 10M on the FM repeaters.
Original Message
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
From: Cady, Fred fc...@ece.montana.edu
Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 4:05 pm
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Hi All,
In the current K3 firmware (going back
to the NA QSO party I go, better late than never...
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive?
From: Dave New, N8SBE n8...@arrl.net
Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 4:38 pm
To: cx...@4email.net, elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Cc: k3supp...@elecraft.com
Did
Did you ever solve this?
My K3 just died, after being left on overnight. It was working fine
last evening, and this afternoon, I came down to the shack to start the
NA QSO party CW contest, and no receive, no transmit.
I've tried a number of things, including re-loading all the firmware,
with
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There is an Android app, EsSense, which you can set to check spots that
mention 2m or 6m, and your locality. It will run in the background on
your phone, and alarm you with sound and/or vibration when spots turn
up. I've had it load on my phone for a while, but haven't played with
it much.
Wayne,
It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense.
That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the
right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch,
depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would
slide to the left based on
(sorry for the previous blank email -- I keep forgetting that this
mailing list strips out HTML-format text)
I was originally licensed in 1970 as a Novice in Murfreesboro, TN as
WN4SBE, which changed to WB4SBE when I upgraded to Advanced the
following year.
I kept WB4SBE for 30+ years, even
I think it unlikely that it could support spots easily, but I agree that
it would be very valuable to be able to use a mouse to click on signals
to QSY. I know the P3 has a turn 'n push knob, but mouse interaction
would be a lot faster.
For those that generally hold a frequency during normal
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Wayne,
You duplicated the line about the ATU:
ATU* matching range @ 100 W 10:1 (typ) 3:1 Allows monoband antennas to
be used on other bands
It's in the General and Transmitter sections.
Also, I would REALLY like to be able to plug a mouse into the P3, and
click my way around the SVGA
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Are you using the Elecraft KX2 mic with the buttons? If not, try
disabling the buttons in the menu.
Otherwise, maybe a poor connection?
Hope that helps,
-- 73, Dave, N8SBE
Hey guys,
Anyone know why I keep seeing Ext. Mic Displayed on the screen of the
KX2
every once in a while when
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When I upgraded from my K3 to a K3s, I took the opportunity to order a
10 MHz Ref In option.
I finally got around to hooking it up to a Leo Bodnar GPS receiver I
picked up at Dayton a year ago, and now the K3s is rock solid spot on
frequency.
Don't know how i did without it all these years...
I'm a great fan of using the auto-spot feature, and love to show it off
to all shack visitors, as an example of yet another reason they need to
upgrade to Elecraft, from whatever boat anchor they are still using...
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
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The loop would be only 6 to 8” from soft tissue, so you’d want to
run QRP, of course. OTOH, we’re talking about HF. A cellphone by your
ear is probably worse.
Any other antenna suggestions?
Wayne
N6KR
Who was that guy at the HFPack get-together at HARA a few Daytons ago,
that was running A
> Here's another idea.
>
> Run a wire inside your shirt from one cuff across your back and down to
> the other cuff. Wrap loading coils around each arm just above the
> elbow. Feed the "dipole" in the center at the back of your neck.
>
> I did a quick model (assuming your arms are held
watch with WWVB reception, so the time on my wrist is
never more than 50 ms off.
Anally yours,
-- Dave, N8SBE
On 1/22/2019 1:45 PM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
> Don't know how i did without it all these years...
>
> 73,
>
You do know that you can notch spurious signals out of your receiver?
There are instructions for doing so in the operating manual. It's kind
of interesting to see how it appears on the P3, though. The spurious
will tune across in reverse directions from normal signals, and usually
at double
Keep your electronic manual copies on Dropbox. That way you only have
one copy, but it appears on all your PCs and devices.
Thanks, Wayne, for the pointers. There were a couple in there I had
actually overlooked in my KX2. I'm a long-time user of the K3/K3s, and
I just learned recently how to
I"ve always wished for a 'ballistic' interface, i.e. the faster you turn
the VFO knob the larger the frequency change per turn. On the other
hand, I've suffered poor implementations of that feature (uBitX,
anyone?), so it would need to be done carefully, if at all. ICOM seems
to have managed to
"You always remember your first." :-)
My first DX contact as a 16-yr old Novice in August of 1970, was on 15
meter CW (rockbound of course, I still have the 3rd-overtone 7 MHz
crystal) with LU2DAW, an Argentinian who turned out to be a retired
railroad radio operator, who had done CW
Wayne,
Some means to GPS-lock the frequency, ala the QRPlabs QLG1:
https://www.qrp-labs.com/qlg1.html
This would make running a number of really-low-power long-transmit-time
digital modes like WSPR and QRSS more practical.
Also, built-in Free-DV support would be really nifty, for all the
I agree.
The radios I've seen with touch screens are a real compromise in
usability. Either the screen is too small to be useful, or it is so big
that many hard controls are sacrificed to avoid making the front panel
too large. The worst are the PC-based interfaces, where all hard
controls are
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I've always wanted to better understand the tweaks/handles that we have
in the noise blanker/noise reduction algorithms in the K3/K3S. I can
'frob the knobs', until I see some reduction in noise, but I felt it
would be much better to not be flying blind, and be able to know just
what the various
Thanks for all the tips, guys, especially the MFJ meter references. I
have their ultrasonic sniffer, which helped me point out to the local
power company some dangling insulators.
I have tracked down some on-premise noise sources in the past (in no
particular order):
1) The clock on a Mr.
Don, Ed, Wes, et al,
Thanks, guys, I misspoke. I was thinking of the old multiplicative
CW-only designs that have been floating around, but of course, the
Elecraft ones don't do that. My bad.
Yes, it would be nice to sync the Elecraft transverters to a 10 MHz
signal.
Which ones do you guys
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Fellow Elecrafters,
Elecraft scored a "clean sweep" in the shack pictures that accompanied
the Sprints article on pp. 75-77 of the 2019 February QST.
All four pictures depict Elecraft gear in action, including a really
nice SO2R operation and even a K3/0 remote setup.
Check it out!
73,
Actually, how about QRZ, DxMaps, WSPRnet, or other propagation sites?
If not on the internal display, pick/choose to show in a small window on
the big external monitor?
The mind boggles...
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 in its first WPX
From: Scott
Yes, but can you have a dynamic mic plugged into one and an electret mic
plugged in the other?
The K3/K3S has never supported this, and to this day, annoys the heck
out of me, since I have a Heil HC-4 headset (which is dynamic and
plugged in the rear connector) and an Elecraft hand mic (which is
: Michael Blake
Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 2:45 pm
To: "Dave New, N8SBE"
The K3s does support independent selection of the Bias on/off for the
front and rear mics. I have an electret headset plugged into the rear
and an EV dynamic plugged into the front. The bias selection remembers
vectors, which will
certainly be exercised, if possible.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Linux Infrastructure
From: Paul Gacek
Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 4:00 pm
To: "Dave New, N8SBE"
Cc: Elecraft Reflector , Rick WA6NHC
Dave
DDOS is
So, let's let the elephant in the room bellow a bit.
Ahem, CYBER SECURITY.
Now that you've put a popular, modern OS in the K4, and hooked it up to
Ethernet (and therefore the Internet), you've just opened a stinking
pile of attack vectors.
And please don't think that no one will bother figuring
Shouldn't need to tie up a PF for this feature. The K3 should be able
to remember the setting on a per jack basis.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Handedness
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Date: Mon, June 03, 2019 3:51 pm
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
I
Eric,
Beats the heck out of the cell phone industry, where any phone that is
more than about 3 yrs old goes out of support, and I'm forced to upgrade
if I want any more security updates.
I anticipate that soon the feds will decide to regulate support of
connected IoT devices, requiring
I did exactly the same thing, back in 2009. I was determined to come
away from Dayton with something to replace the old IC-735 I had used for
the last twenty years, that would be worthy of the six-band quad antenna
I had just put up.
I was put off by the Flex, both for lack of QSK CW and SSB
That's a Yaesu FT-726r
It came with a 2m module, and had space for two more.
Haven't seen anything like it since.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 - VHF/UHF
From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Date: Tue, May 07, 2019 1:18 pm
To:
Graziano,
Wayne explained to me at Hamvention that the K4 is running Linux.
That gets my stamp of approval.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft / IC-7610 comparison
From: "Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY)"
Date: Tue, May 21, 2019 5:45 am
To: Alan
OEMs have gone back and forth over the years with the "one true ground"
vs completely distributed grounding via the chassis. They seem to
currently be in the phase of using distributed localized grounding
points (with several ground return wires per location), a kind of hybrid
grounding system, if
OEMs have gone back and forth over the years with the "one true ground"
vs completely distributed grounding via the chassis. They seem to
currently be in the phase of using distributed localized grounding
points (with several ground return wires per location), a kind of hybrid
grounding system, if
Most modern vehicles are tested for EMC in large chambers, where they
are bombarded by high-power frequencies that extend up into the
microwave range. So, they are relatively immune to external RF fields.
On the other hand, they are frequently not designed to withstand a
powerful onboard
Ran across this on AE5X's blog:
https://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/11/3d-printed-desktop-rack-for-kx3px3.html
Looks kind of useful for those that have both the KX3 and PX3. You can
print your own, or Robert K5TD will print them for you for a fee.
73,
-- Dave, N8SBE
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