On Wed, 1 May 2013 23:02:10 +0100, you wrote:
On 1 May 2013 22:54, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
Some years ago I worked for a large multinational company, who I can't
name for legal reasons. One of the many things they were working on were
more efficient fossil fuel engines. They
--- On Wed, 5/1/13, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing folks not of the USA do not realize, especially so
in Europe
where the population is much, much denser than in the USA
(Australia has
much the same lay of the land, of wide open spaces with
little population).
Most of
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Gary Corlew gcor...@carolina.rr.com wrote:
Just where does everyone think this electricity is coming from? Is everyone
supposed to turn a blind eye to where the electricity comes from?
'Zackly. In the all-electric car fantasy world, it's always available and
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.comwrote:
Yes you know I never hear much about this fundamental problem.
It seems to me that EVs do not scale well.
All great when you only have a few hundred thousand.
but change all the vehicles to electric and one will
I can very well remember when I was a little boy in the early 1950ies,
when the German Postal service used big electrically driven trucks to
deliver packages. They had large open chain gears driving the rear
wheels, visible from the back side, and were moving very slowly but
completely
There are blueprints for a vast amount of electric cars in the drawers
of all major car producers. As Gene H. would put it: Been there, driven
it! About 20 years ago I had the privilege to drive a small car from a
GM daughter brand (Opel Corsa), driven by four 30 kW flat-built
synchronous
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
John
That is amazing to me mani mean I have seen some monster electric
motors before but 3k HP is nutz .. I know the motors they used on the
draw bridges in South Florida where I used to live were big DC I
On 29 April 2013 21:18, Cecil Thomas wctho...@chartertn.net wrote:
Thanks for all the inputs. I did quite a bit of research concerning
the effectiveness vs the amount of work vs the expense of getting the
machine on line and making chips.
1. Tossing the entire drive train and replacing with
Wrongguess again. There are already much more than a few charging
stations built and many more on the way. Nevermind the cars are now
getting around 250 miles to the charge some even more than that. For all
the doubters, just wait it is coming. The electric vehicle revolution is
coming
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
Wrongguess again. There are already much more than a few charging
stations built and many more on the way. Nevermind the cars are now
getting around 250 miles to the charge some even more than that. For all
the
On 1 May 2013 12:32, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
For all
the doubters, just wait it is coming. The electric vehicle revolution is
coming and some would say it is already here.
It already makes sense for fixed journeys, such as parcel delivery trucks.
--
atp
If you can't fix it,
Well apparently you have your mind made up on thisall I can say is do
some open minded research and the answers are all out there. Charging
times have dropped dramatically and there are remote charging stations.
Maybe not in your area but lots of different places. Many many companies
and
On 1 May 2013 12:50, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Take a look at the map at carstations.com. Most all the stations are
located around urban areas. Now look at said wilderness of Montana, and
other areas in the US that are outside of urban areas.
We are back in the situation around
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 May 2013 12:50, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Take a look at the map at carstations.com. Most all the stations are
located around urban areas. Now look at said wilderness of Montana, and
other areas in the
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
Well apparently you have your mind made up on thisall I can say is do
some open minded research and the answers are all out there. Charging
times have dropped dramatically and there are remote charging stations.
Maybe
On 1 May 2013 13:16, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
We are back in the situation around 1900, where you had to plan your
journey around the opening times of pharmacies that sold Motor
Spirit
All well and good, but notice the dearth of charging stations in the middle
of the country.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 May 2013 13:16, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
We are back in the situation around 1900, where you had to plan your
journey around the opening times of pharmacies that sold Motor
Spirit
All well and good,
Very small cars not comfortable for trips? Have you seen the Tesla Model
S There is a fellow local to me who just bought one and I saw and sat
in this car up close and personal. It is a GORGEOUS car and very roomy and
comfortable. The folks who have bought them have been trying to post the
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
Very small cars not comfortable for trips? Have you seen the Tesla Model
S There is a fellow local to me who just bought one and I saw and sat
in this car up close and personal. It is a GORGEOUS car and very roomy and
I think in the future you will have your choice.
My wife could live with an electric car most of the time. I could not
as my travel is totally unpredictable.
So I could see us having one electric and one gas, diesel, or propane
powered car/truck in the future.
I drove from Washington DC back
Mark,
Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am not
gonna wast this thread trying to convince you of it. Do some open minded
research on this and better yet go take a ride in one of these cars and
then see for yourself. It is a real viable technology that is only
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
I think in the future you will have your choice.
My wife could live with an electric car most of the time. I could not
as my travel is totally unpredictable.
So I could see us having one electric and one gas, diesel, or propane
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark,
Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am not
gonna wast this thread trying to convince you of it. Do some open minded
research on this and better yet go take a ride in one of these cars
-Original Message-
From: Pete Matos [mailto:petefro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:43 AM
I am not gonna further clutter this thread with an
argument about
EV's. back to the Monarch EE discussion...peace
Please let that be true, this list is active enough
without
Like I said man...do some research, I am not gonna do it for you. I am done
here.
Pete
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Mark Wendt wendt.m...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark,
Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
Like I said man...do some research, I am not gonna do it for you. I am done
here.
Pete
Yup. Just like I figured. I have done the research on the questions I
asked you. I wanted to know if you knew the facts.
Mark
I am not gonna further clutter this thread with an
argument about
EV's. back to the Monarch EE discussion...peace
Please let that be true, this list is active enough
without off topic arguments.
Or at least change the Subject: line
(Try it, it's easy)
On Wed, 1 May 2013 07:50:47 -0400, you wrote:
Captains of the industry are not betting big dollars on the electric cars.
The government is, and we all know how well they do venture capitalism.
Of course they are not, they are happier ripping people off with high
fuel costs rather than updating
On 1 May 2013 22:54, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
Some years ago I worked for a large multinational company, who I can't
name for legal reasons. One of the many things they were working on were
more efficient fossil fuel engines. They had a 2litre Diesel engine that
was capable
)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
Mark,
Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am not
gonna wast this thread trying to convince you of it. Do some open minded
research on this and better yet go take a ride in one of these cars and
then see for yourself
On 2 May 2013 00:01, Gary Corlew gcor...@carolina.rr.com wrote:
Just where does everyone think this electricity is coming from?
Fission. It works, it's clean, the waste stays where you put it.
If and when Fusion comes on line we will have enough properly free
energy to either throw the Fission
From: gcor...@carolina.rr.com
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 19:01:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
Just where does everyone think this electricity is coming from? Is everyone
supposed to turn a blind eye to where the electricity comes
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 04:10:18 jeremy youngs did opine:
gene did say
The day of picking up a
defunct treadmill, or a surplus motor from one, seem to now be in the
distant past, with one that I saw on fleabay, clearly well abused, 6
months ago that still had 3 days to go and was above
one of them had a flatted 5/8 shaft, the other it was pressed on.
if you remove the flywheel you have to put a fan on it , if you will run it
slow a fan is probably a good idea , i just used an old pc fan.
there are several motors for around 40 bucks, as to the reverse feature i
haver thoughyt of
gene here is a bit more variety
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC2_nkw=treadmill+motor_sacat=0_from=R40
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM, jeremy youngs jcyoung...@gmail.comwrote:
one of them had a flatted 5/8 shaft, the other it was pressed on.
if you remove
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 11:33:32 jeremy youngs did opine:
one of them had a flatted 5/8 shaft, the other it was pressed on.
if you remove the flywheel you have to put a fan on it , if you will run
it slow a fan is probably a good idea , i just used an old pc fan.
there are several motors for
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 12:03:09 jeremy youngs did opine:
gene here is a bit more variety
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC2_nk
w=treadmill+motor_sacat=0_from=R40
Thanks Jeremy, I just now bid on a 1 horse full kit. Play toys maybe, but
a learning tool
You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
put a few together). If you need three phase for other things.. go the
phase converter route and see how that works.
If you are going to run the lathe a lot, I would look for a relatively
new Industrial DC drive that is
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 01:37 PM, Dave wrote:
You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
put a few together). If you need three phase for other things.. go the
phase converter route and see how that works.
If you are going to run the lathe a lot, I would
SCR dc drives? Is this the 70's?
LOL. Im kidding. But only partially:)
SMD
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fmwrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 01:37 PM, Dave wrote:
You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
put a few
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
SCR dc drives? Is this the 70's?
LOL. Im kidding. But only partially:)
SMD
For anything more than a few HP, SCRs still rule the DC drive world.
I guess the toy stuff, under 1HP, is all PWM based these days.
Small but not toys,
John
That is amazing to me mani mean I have seen some monster electric
motors before but 3k HP is nutz .. I know the motors they used on the
draw bridges in South Florida where I used to live were big DC I believe
and they lifted some amazing loads via counterbalance and gearing.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
John
That is amazing to me mani mean I have seen some monster electric
motors before but 3k HP is nutz ..
There's an industrial shredder in New Jersey rated at 10,000 hp. They
have to turn it on and off at
On 4/30/2013 2:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 01:37 PM, Dave wrote:
You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
put a few together). If you need three phase for other things.. go the
phase converter route and see how that works.
If you
On 4/30/2013 3:20 PM, Pete Matos wrote:
I also find it
interesting that there is so much resistance to electric vehicles in the
world when so many of the largest and most powerful vehicles are moved with
electric power.
In a word, batteries. Back in the 1970s the weak link in the national
There are more large motors like that around than you might suspect.
The local Omnisource scrap yard had a 6000 hp motor blow and they
replaced it with a bigger motor. I think 8000 hp.
They shred cars and whatever else they can fit into it.
I went to an aluminum recycling place once that
On 30 April 2013 21:50, Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Every few years one research group or another issues a breathless
press release about its laboratory breakthrough which will
revolutionize battery technology (searching the Internet on electric
battery breakthrough is
We have a scrapyard nearby that has a lot of very large motors, but I think
they might be from trains and there is an obvious size limit on those. The
ones you describe seem bigger.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote:
There are more large motors like that around than
--- On Tue, 4/30/13, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote:
From: John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Stephen Dubovsky
Gregg Eshelman wrote:
--- On Tue, 4/30/13, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote:
From: John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 02:14
On Monday 29 April 2013 01:59:23 Cecil Thomas did opine:
I recently was given a 1953 Monarch 10EE basic Model lathe. It is
the Ward Leonard motor generator type so no electronics to deal with.
The basic model has no lead screw and no gearing for screw cutting.
There is also no taper
On 29 April 2013 06:33, Cecil Thomas wctho...@chartertn.net wrote:
My only
real concern is going to be integrating spindle speed control because
the existing control utilizes two huge rheostats to control the drive
motor field and the generator field. I might just lash up a servo or
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013, at 06:00 AM, andy pugh wrote:
On 29 April 2013 06:33, Cecil Thomas wctho...@chartertn.net wrote:
My only
real concern is going to be integrating spindle speed control because
the existing control utilizes two huge rheostats to control the drive
motor field and
On 29 April 2013 15:16, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Discarding the DC motor will almost certainly mean
a significant performance penalty. Keeping the DC
motor and driving it with either a DC drive, or the
existing motor-generator set, will keep the performance.
Good point, I
We used a dc drive to run the rotor - then used the (IIRC) existing
large adjustable resistor to drop the field as you increased the speed..
(from simple rectified dc).This is still a manual lathe. I
think though it would be pretty easy to use 2 dc drives - one for the
rotor and one
On 29 April 2013 16:04, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote:
I
think though it would be pretty easy to use 2 dc drives - one for the
rotor and one for the field. (seems easy enough to control it from hal..)
And the Mesa 7i29 has two channels...
--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't
Gene Heskett wrote:
It sounds as if its a 3 phase AC motor turning a DC generator which in turn
powers a DC motor that actually drives the spindle?
Essentially right.
For those DC controls, I'd think it would be a lot more power efficient to
toss the rheostats in favor of pwm controlled
andy pugh wrote:
It has to make more sense to couple a 3-phase motor and
single-phase-input VFD directly to the spindle?
The motor is an odd frame, and also has MASSIVE torque at low
speed. So, the 10EE has no back gear. It probably works MUCH
better at low speed than a VFD and typical
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
andy pugh wrote:
It has to make more sense to couple a 3-phase motor and
single
AC machine.
Stephen
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Steve Stallings steve...@newsguy.comwrote:
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
Also, inverter drive induction motors can do 3:1+ constant hp range.
Sure, you can get 3:1 constant power range from an AC motor, but only
if you are using a motor that was designed and specified for that application.
Typically has a
Thanks for all the inputs. I did quite a bit of research concerning
the effectiveness vs the amount of work vs the expense of getting the
machine on line and making chips.
1. Tossing the entire drive train and replacing with a 10 hp 3ph
motor and vfd to run from 220 single phase.. can't be
FWIW, Solution to #1 is typ easy. Large VFDs typ bring out the DC bus for
more filtering caps if needed. Add additional external caps (need appox
double whats internal) and add a large external rectifier to the caps.
Basically, feed the VFD dc. You'll need to disable phase loss detection
just
On 29 April 2013 20:18, Cecil Thomas wctho...@chartertn.net wrote:
300 VDC from 220 VAC is a challenge.
Actually, 300VDC is pretty much exactly what you get by rectifying 220V AC.
--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto
On Monday 29 April 2013 15:50:03 Jon Elson did opine:
Gene Heskett wrote:
It sounds as if its a 3 phase AC motor turning a DC generator which in
turn powers a DC motor that actually drives the spindle?
Essentially right.
For those DC controls, I'd think it would be a lot more power
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
The Ward-Leonard arrangement is fairly elaborate in itself,
but running it from a rotary phase converter is just excessive.
I'd take off the vintage Rube Goldberg (or Heath Robinson for thos on the other
side of the globe) original
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Steve Stallings steve...@newsguy.com wrote:
Sorry for the run-on URL, but I could not find a shorter
one.
Steve Stallings
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f10/19126d1263689447-backgear-monarch-10-ee-3-hp-motor-back-gear.jpg
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Cecil Thomas wctho...@chartertn.net wrote:
5. Replace the 3 ph motor with a 5 hp single phase motor..
Probably the neatest solution but the motor and generator
are a single unit so the single phase motor would have to actually
spin both the motor and generator IF...
On Monday 29 April 2013 20:12:27 Gregg Eshelman did opine:
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:
The Ward-Leonard arrangement is fairly elaborate in itself,
but running it from a rotary phase converter is just excessive.
I'd take off the vintage Rube Goldberg (or Heath
Steve Stallings wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
andy pugh wrote:
It has to make more sense to couple
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 20:28 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
Steve Stallings wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
gene did say
The day of picking up a
defunct treadmill, or a surplus motor from one, seem to now be in the
distant past, with one that I saw on fleabay, clearly well abused, 6 months
ago that still had 3 days to go and was above 200USD then
my results from flea bay are different and 2 of my 3
I recently was given a 1953 Monarch 10EE basic Model lathe. It is
the Ward Leonard motor generator type so no electronics to deal with.
The basic model has no lead screw and no gearing for screw cutting.
There is also no taper attachment. It does have carriage and cross
slide power feeds.
I
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