Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 1/20/2012 02:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 01:22:50PM -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:32 AM, Chris Walters wrote: This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris Looks good to me, at least based on what's presently available in the keyservers. Hm... I seem to be too dumb. Mutt tells me that the msg is signed, but doesn't tell me by whom (I know that I need to have the public key in my keyring to see a name, but it doesn't even tell me the key ID). Saving the whole mail to a file and verifying the sig doesn't work either, that too is obvious because 1) only the text is signed, not the rest of the mail and b) the signed stuff and the sig need to be two different files for gpg --verify to work. So I saved the signature.asc and the text separately. Now verification works and I see a key ID, but using gpg --search key ID doesn't find the given key on the server. GPGing was much easier when KMail still worked. ^^ Hmmm... Have you tried running 'gpg -k | less' and searching for either Christopher Walters or the keyid: EF9C0F58. If my key is not in your public keys, that would explain the problem identifying who signed the message. It sounds like it might be a problem with Mutt not importing the key, though I could be wrong. I only dabbled with Mutt a while ago, and now I don't even have an email client set up on my Gentoo system. This time, I'll include my key with the message, so it will have the key. Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJPGSihAAoJEFHj8CHvnA9Yh9YP/jYpE9mnf2iCY3ihJ3JkVFQ9 Z4t89c+lBnPqaPs2aGoSbjOMcoWziU1f8adoKXv4DxPFNArX1Qgk+VKbt0GN91D7 L+WFdA7Tn/qZi9WfvhmpMFrA2e73OwOq+vUPLhh6cspRULwXx505VXlcv9QStuFf CfP1rA5WCU9zhikTwPgChZbiDwEZtfe7A8ypybdudHCeygPHQGBHuMV8Qt88inH6 dQIpH/5n1qimCtgQ+3qlVjordo9CU0FhklfhWT5n+zZhjlVOco8By68mISZjsLyH g3LHzWnAeLI6G5tJ/wXVyFKCIaQTDsGMijqJA9ChEfO0M/wbiX4X+3yy8QxYUzsz NgKDSqyYpdPVOdmwCvWgZ66epmZXOWWGWqZp5IVrvGTc+SXzrl6GBAosUdTeGk46 KKiNA9WQ7jasBYZvw21vYar1UxUG5UApMfSQmvmUPoJLjq8r4Ngh29Ed8MX83dSO INDBpHQQ1X2QsLmY8PdA2/BxQ74Zu00DuK8W/ng2ujcpVNLcZOfKYdoCTB4dP8mk jWpyK6D4+ogDrr+OQ7E9+oeIqku6IdNNRU50/86MgsoGwQTzprY+wauFNigh7sjF ZfLTGxtjnZqend6buRenKz6sgKKqpl9mOxpLkrIxpRp3wwpNSSzT7mVoxLeV5IW9 YTMfanz4zXaoDYC/tAbD =1iC+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- 0xEF9C0F58.asc Description: application/pgp-keys --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120119-2, 01/19/2012 Tested on: 1/20/2012 3:41:09 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
Paul Hartman wrote: On Thursday, January 19, 2012, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have mine set up to sign them all. I did a couple to see if it worked or not. Whenever I sign a message, it asks for the password. It is quite a long password and I don't want to type it in every time I send something. If you use gpg-agent (and configure Enigmail to use it), it will remember that you already entered your passphrase for some amount of time, so you don't need to keep reentering it over and over during the same session. Well, I dug around and found a time out setting. It is set to 5 minutes. At least I know I can change it or get er done in 5 minutes or less. Oooops. get er done may violate SOPA. Am I going to jail? ROFL Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 2012-01-19 5:42 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: There's no known way to decrypt a mail like that without the single private key needed (this works exactly like https traffic to your bank). I feel very confident saying no known way as cracking that puzzle has been the Holy Grail of maths prizes for 40 years and no-one has announced success. Seeing as mathematicians are a vain lot, and the one that accomplishes this feat with be showered with honour and glory for all time (making Einstein look like a child), it's a safe assumption that it hasn't been done yet. Heh - yeah, *loved* the movie 'Sneakers'... Setec Astronomy == Too Many Secrets
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 01:44 AM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! From what I know for sure, many people in different countries supported the opposition to these bills because they understand that this is not just a US problem. If it happens there, it can easily be repeated anywhere. And the point of opposing the US government decisions for people in other countries, to my mind, is to state there point of view *before* their local government try to do the same. And that's important. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net There are also points that: 1. These bills go way beyond filtering to a mandate to for Internet backbone providers block entire domains on the basis of one complaint of IP infringement - no evidence need be provided and there is no hearing. This would have an effect on the Internet, as a whole, since much Internet traffic goes through the US infrastructure. 2. These bills criminalize something that no other country I am aware of has criminalized - IP (Copyright, Patent, and Trademark) infringement. It would become a 5 year felony to violate this law. 3. The US is well known for its efforts to apply US law to the citizens of other countries - in fact, they are already doing this the a student from the United Kingdom. The US has demanded the extradition of this non-US citizen to face criminal charges in the US, for something that is NOT unlawful in the U.K. It also eliminates the US Copyright tradition of fair use. I urge you to watch the Youtube video that I linked to, and to visit those sites. The more people who become aware of the truth of these bills, their sponsors, and the danger to not only US citizens, but also to citizens of any country that has an extradition treaty with the US, the better. There is another issue that would threaten the existence of Gentoo, Debian, and basically any GNU/Linux or *BSD distribution. Most distros I have seen include LAME, either as source (in the case of Gentoo) or in binary form. Well, guess what. The mp3 encoder algorithms that LAME uses are heavily patent encumbered. This means that one complaint by the patent holders and Gentoo or any other distro that includes LAME (yes, even only as source code), could result in ALL Internet providers in the US being required to actively block the entire domain for the distro, and ALL of its mirrors (which include many Universities and some of them would take preemptive action and stop mirroring all distros lest they be effectively shut down, especially if they are US-based). There are other patent encumbered packages in most distros, and any of them could result in a total block of them and their mirrors if a complaint is issued. This is why I was so shocked that the GNU/Linux and *BSD communities have not been more active in opposing these bills. The definition of infringement is so broad that it could and would be easily abused by the profiteers of the US that support them (actually, most of the supporters are multinational corporations). This threatens the whole of what the Internet has stood for since its very beginnings. Off my soap box, so to speak, Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120118-1, 01/18/2012 Tested on: 1/19/2012 5:29:28 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 01:27 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Humanity starts things and continues things. This is good. Governments stop things. This is only sometimes good. Agreed. Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120118-1, 01/18/2012 Tested on: 1/19/2012 5:30:31 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 08:27:20 Alan McKinnon wrote: Humanity starts things and continues things. This is good. Governments stop things. This is only sometimes good im fairly certain it was humanity that started this whole goverment thing. -- - Yohan Pereira
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:11:24 +0530 Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 08:27:20 Alan McKinnon wrote: Humanity starts things and continues things. This is good. Governments stop things. This is only sometimes good im fairly certain it was humanity that started this whole goverment thing. Yes that is indeed true :-) But governments (and that part of humanity that is attracted to governments and wants to join them) have since evolved into something entirely different -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 05:41 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: im fairly certain it was humanity that started this whole goverment thing. True. Once started, though, governments tend to evolve on their own - I am pretty certain that most government officials are from another planet. Besides, isn't it up to humanity to fix government when it becomes too toxic to live with? Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120118-1, 01/18/2012 Tested on: 1/19/2012 6:03:30 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:03:29 -0500 Chris Walters cjw20...@comcast.net wrote: On 1/19/2012 05:41 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: im fairly certain it was humanity that started this whole goverment thing. True. Once started, though, governments tend to evolve on their own - I am pretty certain that most government officials are from another planet. Besides, isn't it up to humanity to fix government when it becomes too toxic to live with? If by fix you mean wage war on and shoot, then yes :-) It seems like that is the only method humanity uses to fix it's governments that go toxic - witness the last year's events in that part of the world that has lots of desert -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout. Fixing.
On 1/19/2012 06:58 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: If by fix you mean wage war on and shoot, then yes :-) It seems like that is the only method humanity uses to fix it's governments that go toxic - witness the last year's events in that part of the world that has lots of desert By fix I mean repair, make better or replace with a new version. Shooting and waging wars of violence are not the only way of fixing a toxic government. Witness Ghandi. His method of wag(ing) war was non-violent and non-cooperative. It worked, though. I admit that those methods don't always work, but neither do the violent ones. Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120118-1, 01/18/2012 Tested on: 1/19/2012 7:07:38 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 05:29 AM, Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 01:44 AM, v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! From what I know for sure, many people in different countries supported the opposition to these bills because they understand that this is not just a US problem. If it happens there, it can easily be repeated anywhere. And the point of opposing the US government decisions for people in other countries, to my mind, is to state there point of view *before* their local government try to do the same. And that's important. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net There are also points that: 1. These bills go way beyond filtering to a mandate to for Internet backbone providers block entire domains on the basis of one complaint of IP infringement - no evidence need be provided and there is no hearing. This would have an effect on the Internet, as a whole, since much Internet traffic goes through the US infrastructure. 2. These bills criminalize something that no other country I am aware of has criminalized - IP (Copyright, Patent, and Trademark) infringement. It would become a 5 year felony to violate this law. 3. The US is well known for its efforts to apply US law to the citizens of other countries - in fact, they are already doing this the a student from the United Kingdom. The US has demanded the extradition of this non-US citizen to face criminal charges in the US, for something that is NOT unlawful in the U.K. It also eliminates the US Copyright tradition of fair use. I urge you to watch the Youtube video that I linked to, and to visit those sites. The more people who become aware of the truth of these bills, their sponsors, and the danger to not only US citizens, but also to citizens of any country that has an extradition treaty with the US, the better. There is another issue that would threaten the existence of Gentoo, Debian, and basically any GNU/Linux or *BSD distribution. Most distros I have seen include LAME, either as source (in the case of Gentoo) or in binary form. Well, guess what. The mp3 encoder algorithms that LAME uses are heavily patent encumbered. This means that one complaint by the patent holders and Gentoo or any other distro that includes LAME (yes, even only as source code), could result in ALL Internet providers in the US being required to actively block the entire domain for the distro, and ALL of its mirrors (which include many Universities and some of them would take preemptive action and stop mirroring all distros lest they be effectively shut down, especially if they are US-based). There are other patent encumbered packages in most distros, and any of them could result in a total block of them and their mirrors if a complaint is issued. This is why I was so shocked that the GNU/Linux and *BSD communities have not been more active in opposing these bills. The definition of infringement is so broad that it could and would be easily abused by the profiteers of the US that support them (actually, most of the supporters are multinational corporations). This threatens the whole of what the Internet has stood for since its very beginnings. Off my soap box, so to speak, Chris Well, at least my original post caused some conversation and maybe caused some people to think about this proposed legislation, research it and consider the effects that it might have upon the Gentoo, and the whole GNU/Linux and *BSD communities as a whole. I understand the ambivalence of many on this issue. Gentoo and all other distributions are global, and the Internet is global. I used to share this sense that no one law could curtail the freedom of this wonderful system we have. That is until I actually started researching these bills, and their sponsors - they, too are global - the are mega-weathy and they want to control the Internet. Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120119-1, 01/19/2012 Tested on: 1/19/2012 11:48:40 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. “Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.” – Linus Torvalds pgpumafy9ev9w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 11:32 AM, Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris Looks good to me, at least based on what's presently available in the keyservers.
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol There are basically 2 things PGP/GPG normally does for emails: signing and encrypting. They are not mutually exclusive. Signing (like you see on a lot of messages on this list, for example) is about the person who SENT the message. It lets you verify that the person who wrote the message is who you think they are, and that the contents of the message itself have not been altered. Encrypting is about the person RECEIVING the message. If you encrypt, it makes it so the message cannot be read by anyone except for the recipients you specified when encrypting it. (The sender is usually added to the encrypted recipients automatically, in case he needs to read his own sent message at a later date). Encryption is obviously in very bad taste on a public mailing list. :) So if you send a message that is both signed + encrypted, it will verify the identity of the sender as well as restrict the ability to read to only the people the sender wants. You can also use PGP keys for authentication (with an OpenPGP smartcard), and for signing files, which works just like signing email.
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:04:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol Well we first need to be accurate. It's not a case that only you and Paul can read the encrypted mail. It's a case that only a machine holding the necessary private key can decrypt it, and then the mail can be read in plain text. Not quite the same thing as what you said, as private keys can be stolen. If Paul encrypted the mail using your public key, then only the private key you hold can decrypt it. Similarly, if you encrypt a mail to Paul using his public key, then only Paul's private key can decrypt it. There's no known way to decrypt a mail like that without the single private key needed (this works exactly like https traffic to your bank). I feel very confident saying no known way as cracking that puzzle has been the Holy Grail of maths prizes for 40 years and no-one has announced success. Seeing as mathematicians are a vain lot, and the one that accomplishes this feat with be showered with honour and glory for all time (making Einstein look like a child), it's a safe assumption that it hasn't been done yet. To check if the mail was encrypted, simply tell EnigMail to not decrypt it. It will show as gobbledegook, then only the recipient can decrypt it (as long as the private key stays safe). To make this all work, you need to share public keys with each other. But you don't need to do it in secret as the public keys are, well, public. So you stick them on a key server where the other guy can retrieve them and away you go, profit!!! There's a few other steps you should do to establish trust in the public key (they can be forged) but that's beyond the scope of explaining how the keys work. The answer to your question is then yes. I suppose next you'll be wanting to know what fields to fill in in your specific mail app to enable it your end, right? -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On 1/19/2012 05:04 PM, Dale wrote: Chris Walters wrote: This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. Yes, see below. It looks like you are using a web interface (Firefox) to send and reply to messages. I would suggest emerging Thunderbird (emerge -av thunderbird). There is an add on called Enigmail for this mail client that makes encrypting, signing and decrypting messages, much easier. You need gnupg, as well. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? If the message is encrypted to them, then yes. If not, no. You need a secret key to decrypt a message that is encrypted, and if anyone seeing it is not on the list of recipients, they will not have that key. I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol With OpenPGP or PGP/MIME, you would have to share your public key with the other party - this would allow that party to encrypt messages to you. You would also have to have the public key of the other party to encrypt to them. For example, if you wanted to encrypt to me, you'd have to retrieve my public key from a keyserver or I'd have to send it to you. You would have to either sign a message (and have uploaded your public key to a keyserver), or send me your public key. You could then encrypt a message to me, and you could add yourself to the recipient list so you could read it. Then, when I received the message, I would be prompted for my secret key's passphrase - this would allow decryption of the message. Providing that I replied to you and chose the encrypt option, the entire message, including any quotes would be encrypted. Hope this helps, Chris -- Multibooting: wearing two socks of different colors and types, with two different boots... ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Walters wrote: This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. Yes, this occurs when the messages are actually encrypted. Both the sender and receiver must generate a public and private key. The public key is...public. Anyone and everyone can use it to encipher a message. However, the private key should be..well, private. It is the key that can decipher the message. Assuming the receiver keeps this key secret, all messages that are encrypted with the public key will only be read by him/her. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? I'm using gmail right now, so I can't verify, but the message was most likely signed but not encrypted. By signing the message, Chris verified that he actually sent it and it wasn't someone impersonating. (This all hinges on the fact that you previously received his signature and trust that it was authentic then) I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol Dale :-) :-) Matt -- Matthew Finkel
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:42:16 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: There's no known way to decrypt a mail like that without the single private key needed (this works exactly like https traffic to your bank). I feel very confident saying no known way as cracking that puzzle has been the Holy Grail of maths prizes for 40 years and no-one has announced success. Seeing as mathematicians are a vain lot, and the one that accomplishes this feat with be showered with honour and glory for all time (making Einstein look like a child), it's a safe assumption that it hasn't been done yet. Unless he works for GCHQ/NSA or any other government's security services. Remember, RSA was invented several years before R, S and A did so, by a mathematician working at GCHQ (the UK's communication monitoring department). -- Neil Bothwick Maybe... How much are you bribing me this time? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
Paul Hartman wrote: There are basically 2 things PGP/GPG normally does for emails: signing and encrypting. They are not mutually exclusive. Signing (like you see on a lot of messages on this list, for example) is about the person who SENT the message. It lets you verify that the person who wrote the message is who you think they are, and that the contents of the message itself have not been altered. Encrypting is about the person RECEIVING the message. If you encrypt, it makes it so the message cannot be read by anyone except for the recipients you specified when encrypting it. (The sender is usually added to the encrypted recipients automatically, in case he needs to read his own sent message at a later date). Encryption is obviously in very bad taste on a public mailing list. :) So if you send a message that is both signed + encrypted, it will verify the identity of the sender as well as restrict the ability to read to only the people the sender wants. You can also use PGP keys for authentication (with an OpenPGP smartcard), and for signing files, which works just like signing email. I think I get this now. When I sign the message, someone else opens it, then it shows up that I signed it with the digital signature. Anyone can read it tho. It's public as any normal email. Everyone just knows it came from my rig is all. When I encypt a message, only the person that I select the keys for can open it. Example. I hit send and select your name in the little box that pops up. Then only you can see the message but others on the list can't since I only sent you the keys. Am I close? I'm using Seamonkey by the way. When I hit send, I get a pop up window that lists all the key thingys. I'm not sure how other clients do this. I select which keys in that thing then it sends it. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 22:44:12 Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 05:04 PM, Dale wrote: I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. Yes, see below. It looks like you are using a web interface (Firefox) to send and reply to messages. I would suggest emerging Thunderbird (emerge -av thunderbird). There is an add on called Enigmail for this mail client that makes encrypting, signing and decrypting messages, much easier. You need gnupg, as well. There are plugins for FF that can use S/MIME and I believe GnuPG/PGP to encrypt gmail. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:04:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol Well we first need to be accurate. It's not a case that only you and Paul can read the encrypted mail. It's a case that only a machine holding the necessary private key can decrypt it, and then the mail can be read in plain text. Not quite the same thing as what you said, as private keys can be stolen. If Paul encrypted the mail using your public key, then only the private key you hold can decrypt it. Similarly, if you encrypt a mail to Paul using his public key, then only Paul's private key can decrypt it. There's no known way to decrypt a mail like that without the single private key needed (this works exactly like https traffic to your bank). I feel very confident saying no known way as cracking that puzzle has been the Holy Grail of maths prizes for 40 years and no-one has announced success. Seeing as mathematicians are a vain lot, and the one that accomplishes this feat with be showered with honour and glory for all time (making Einstein look like a child), it's a safe assumption that it hasn't been done yet. To check if the mail was encrypted, simply tell EnigMail to not decrypt it. It will show as gobbledegook, then only the recipient can decrypt it (as long as the private key stays safe). To make this all work, you need to share public keys with each other. But you don't need to do it in secret as the public keys are, well, public. So you stick them on a key server where the other guy can retrieve them and away you go, profit!!! There's a few other steps you should do to establish trust in the public key (they can be forged) but that's beyond the scope of explaining how the keys work. The answer to your question is then yes. I suppose next you'll be wanting to know what fields to fill in in your specific mail app to enable it your end, right? I don't think so. I been chatting with Paul off list. I can open his encypted emails and he can open mine. I think we call that success? I think I got this now. I got one more message to read tho. Getting it explained in more than one way helps me. I have to have that light bulb moment. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 05:04 PM, Dale wrote: Chris Walters wrote: This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris I have a question now. I got a message from Paul Hartman and replied to it, off list, and it was encrypted and I hope my reply was too. My question is this. How do you make a email that only the sender and receiver can read? As a example. I'm talking to a Doctor or a lawyer and I don't want anyone but that person to see the email. How do I do that? Can that be done. Yes, see below. It looks like you are using a web interface (Firefox) to send and reply to messages. I would suggest emerging Thunderbird (emerge -av thunderbird). There is an add on called Enigmail for this mail client that makes encrypting, signing and decrypting messages, much easier. You need gnupg, as well. Close. Sort of. I actually use Seamonkey as my emailly program. The message that I am repying to appears to be something, encypted maybe, but I think anyone on this list that uses the tool can read it. Am I correct? If the message is encrypted to them, then yes. If not, no. You need a secret key to decrypt a message that is encrypted, and if anyone seeing it is not on the list of recipients, they will not have that key. I'm starting to see this now. When I sign a message, it is public but people are assured that it came from me. Sort of like having a check with a picture ID that matches. :/ I'm trying to get a full understanding of this thing. Ya'll know how I am. lol With OpenPGP or PGP/MIME, you would have to share your public key with the other party - this would allow that party to encrypt messages to you. You would also have to have the public key of the other party to encrypt to them. For example, if you wanted to encrypt to me, you'd have to retrieve my public key from a keyserver or I'd have to send it to you. You would have to either sign a message (and have uploaded your public key to a keyserver), or send me your public key. You could then encrypt a message to me, and you could add yourself to the recipient list so you could read it. Then, when I received the message, I would be prompted for my secret key's passphrase - this would allow decryption of the message. Providing that I replied to you and chose the encrypt option, the entire message, including any quotes would be encrypted. Hope this helps, Chris -- Multibooting: wearing two socks of different colors and types, with two different boots... ;) So, this is why when I want to sign a message it asks me for the password. I thought it was trying to do something wrong. Made me scratch my head. Mud is clearing up a bit. Dale :-) :-) - -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8YpUwACgkQiBoxVpK2GMCz4QCeNBRDf8wmErruB5SVREcra4uu 6dQAnRnR8OuS0Mo5jcBnLNRGug0hkhK/ =XWWa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mud is clearing up a bit. Excellent! Lookin good! Dale :-) :-) - -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8YpUwACgkQiBoxVpK2GMCz4QCeNBRDf8wmErruB5SVREcra4uu 6dQAnRnR8OuS0Mo5jcBnLNRGug0hkhK/ =XWWa -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Matt
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Matthew Finkel wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mud is clearing up a bit. Excellent! Lookin good! Well, I get this on top of your message: Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found What's wrong with that? Yours or mine? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 23:20:44 Dale wrote: Chris Walters wrote: I'm starting to see this now. When I sign a message, it is public but people are assured that it came from me. Sort of like having a check with a picture ID that matches. :/ Better than that. Readers (all that have access to this list) can a)see that you have signed it and b)rest assured that no one has tampered with its content since you signed. If anyone intercepted the message mid-air and changed its content, your signature would show as bad in the recipients mail client (assuming they have a GnuPG/PGP compatible client). BTW, your signature is not showing in Kmail ... are you using inline or opengpg/smime format? You could then encrypt a message to me, and you could add yourself to the recipient list so you could read it. Then, when I received the message, I would be prompted for my secret key's passphrase - this would allow decryption of the message. Providing that I replied to you and chose the encrypt option, the entire message, including any quotes would be encrypted. Hope this helps, Chris So, this is why when I want to sign a message it asks me for the password. I thought it was trying to do something wrong. Made me scratch my head. To avoid an easy misunderstanding about what the password does: You are asked for a passphrase not because Chris used that passphrase to encrypt the message he sent you with (that would have been symmetric encryption and both of you would need to know in advance the secret passphrase). Instead, you are asked for a passphrase to decrypt your own private gpg key which is stored in encrypted format on your hard drive for security purposes. The private key once decrypted and loaded in memory will be used by your openpgp application to decrypt the message sent by Chris. This is asymmetric encryption: a sender can use your public key and their private key to encrypt a message to you, which only you can decrypt with your private key and the sender's public key. Look at the picture on the right in this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography HTH -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Matthew Finkel wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mud is clearing up a bit. Excellent! Lookin good! Well, I get this on top of your message: Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found What's wrong with that? Yours or mine? Dale :-) :-) I'm using gmail right now, so my messages aren't signed. As such, I would have to say neither. =) I may be wrong and there actually is something amiss, anything is possible.
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Mick wrote: On Thursday 19 Jan 2012 23:20:44 Dale wrote: Chris Walters wrote: I'm starting to see this now. When I sign a message, it is public but people are assured that it came from me. Sort of like having a check with a picture ID that matches. :/ Better than that. Readers (all that have access to this list) can a)see that you have signed it and b)rest assured that no one has tampered with its content since you signed. If anyone intercepted the message mid-air and changed its content, your signature would show as bad in the recipients mail client (assuming they have a GnuPG/PGP compatible client). BTW, your signature is not showing in Kmail ... are you using inline or opengpg/smime format? I don't have mine set up to sign them all. I did a couple to see if it worked or not. Whenever I sign a message, it asks for the password. It is quite a long password and I don't want to type it in every time I send something. You could then encrypt a message to me, and you could add yourself to the recipient list so you could read it. Then, when I received the message, I would be prompted for my secret key's passphrase - this would allow decryption of the message. Providing that I replied to you and chose the encrypt option, the entire message, including any quotes would be encrypted. Hope this helps, Chris So, this is why when I want to sign a message it asks me for the password. I thought it was trying to do something wrong. Made me scratch my head. To avoid an easy misunderstanding about what the password does: You are asked for a passphrase not because Chris used that passphrase to encrypt the message he sent you with (that would have been symmetric encryption and both of you would need to know in advance the secret passphrase). Instead, you are asked for a passphrase to decrypt your own private gpg key which is stored in encrypted format on your hard drive for security purposes. The private key once decrypted and loaded in memory will be used by your openpgp application to decrypt the message sent by Chris. This is asymmetric encryption: a sender can use your public key and their private key to encrypt a message to you, which only you can decrypt with your private key and the sender's public key. Look at the picture on the right in this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography HTH The password I was talking about is the one when I send a message. It does ask for the password when Paul was sending a message. Those were off list tho. Anyway, when I put the password in, I can read the email. Otherwise, I can't read anything. How sure are we that there is no back door the Government has to bypass this? Are we 99% sure or about 50/50 with our fingers crossed? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On Thursday, January 19, 2012, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have mine set up to sign them all. I did a couple to see if it worked or not. Whenever I sign a message, it asks for the password. It is quite a long password and I don't want to type it in every time I send something. If you use gpg-agent (and configure Enigmail to use it), it will remember that you already entered your passphrase for some amount of time, so you don't need to keep reentering it over and over during the same session.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 01:22:50PM -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:32 AM, Chris Walters wrote: On 1/19/2012 11:57 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:53:07AM -0600, Dale wrote: While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Well, if you had signed your mail, then I could write you encrypted. :) This is a test. Enigmail has been trying to use a revoked and expired key to sign my messages, lately. Chris Looks good to me, at least based on what's presently available in the keyservers. Hm... I seem to be too dumb. Mutt tells me that the msg is signed, but doesn't tell me by whom (I know that I need to have the public key in my keyring to see a name, but it doesn't even tell me the key ID). Saving the whole mail to a file and verifying the sig doesn't work either, that too is obvious because 1) only the text is signed, not the rest of the mail and b) the signed stuff and the sig need to be two different files for gpg --verify to work. So I saved the signature.asc and the text separately. Now verification works and I see a key ID, but using gpg --search key ID doesn't find the given key on the server. GPGing was much easier when KMail still worked. ^^ -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. The computer is not a miracle. It only works so fast because it doesn’t think. pgpiYo2rdu0hw.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
I am truly surprised that Gentoo, and more GNU/Linux and *BSD sites did not join in the 'blackout'. The only one I saw that did was opensuse.org . These laws, as I understand them, and I am no lawyer, could be used against open source kernels, operating system tools, and other open source applications by companies that would benefit by eliminating competition or potential competition. The definition of infringement is so broad, and the blocking is required with just a single complaint - it could really be used to wreak havoc on the Internet, in general, and by the big players to eliminate the smaller competition. Lame alone could shut down just about every distribution and their mirrors since the mp3 encoder algorithms are patented and cross-patented in so many ways that just the distribution of the source code could result in a complaint and many blocks. Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120118-1, 01/18/2012 Tested on: 1/18/2012 6:55:49 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
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Chris Walters wrote: I am truly surprised that Gentoo, and more GNU/Linux and *BSD sites did not join in the 'blackout'. The only one I saw that did was opensuse.org . These laws, as I understand them, and I am no lawyer, could be used against open source kernels, operating system tools, and other open source applications by companies that would benefit by eliminating competition or potential competition. The definition of infringement is so broad, and the blocking is required with just a single complaint - it could really be used to wreak havoc on the Internet, in general, and by the big players to eliminate the smaller competition. Lame alone could shut down just about every distribution and their mirrors since the mp3 encoder algorithms are patented and cross-patented in so many ways that just the distribution of the source code could result in a complaint and many blocks. Chris I bypassed the wiki black out. I used adblock to disable the part that blacks everything out. I was doing some research on my health issues and I wanted more than a black screen. I like the way Google did it. It was certainly noticeable but you could still use the site. If Google had went down, people would have found the competition and that may not be good in the long run, law or no law. Who really competes with Google anyway? I wonder if a Google search would work on that? LOL I don't like the law and honestly I don't like 99% of the laws they even think about much less pass. Trust me, I let my Rep know several times that I oppose both of them and even got a phone call today from one of them. I also pointed out that no law we pass here affects the people overseas. Last I heard, when you got a few miles off shore, our laws pretty much end. The people in other countries are going to hack and steal and host whatever they want as long as it benefits them. They could care less what our laws are. They may be laughing at us too. I know I could care less what laws they pass somewhere else. Little piece of info about me. If you want to get me really going, put a politician on TV and let his lips move. I can give a sailor a run for his money. O_O Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 07:21:12PM -0600, Dale wrote: I am truly surprised that Gentoo, and more GNU/Linux and *BSD sites did not join in the 'blackout'. The only one I saw that did was opensuse.org . […] I bypassed the wiki black out. I used adblock to disable the part that blacks everything out. Actually, that could have been one of their points -- it is very easy to circumvent*. Thanks to the blessings of NoScript, I surf with JS mostly disabled, so I wouldn’t have seen it either. However, it is specifically stated on the Wiki page that tells about the blackout) -- they kept a loophole open for “emergencies” (whatever those are). * As far as I heard about those laws (which isn’t as much as I [cs]hould have), they intent to do more than the simple DNS censoring from which our European politicians are getting their wet dreams. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Bank -- an institution where you can borrow money for the proof that you don’t need it. pgpl3ZvkOHv87.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 07:21:12PM -0600, Dale wrote: I am truly surprised that Gentoo, and more GNU/Linux and *BSD sites did not join in the 'blackout'. The only one I saw that did was opensuse.org . […] I bypassed the wiki black out. I used adblock to disable the part that blacks everything out. Actually, that could have been one of their points -- it is very easy to circumvent*. Thanks to the blessings of NoScript, I surf with JS mostly disabled, so I wouldn’t have seen it either. However, it is specifically stated on the Wiki page that tells about the blackout) -- they kept a loophole open for “emergencies” (whatever those are). * As far as I heard about those laws (which isn’t as much as I [cs]hould have), they intent to do more than the simple DNS censoring from which our European politicians are getting their wet dreams. I'm like this. The internet, although it can have its bad points, has done really well without Governments, at least ours, getting their fingers in the pie. One thing I have learned is that when you want to really screw up a good thing, get the Government involved. I read a neat way of explaining this a good while back. Governments create a problem, claim they are fixing it when there is none, then spend billions trying to fix the fix that wasn't needed to begin with. I wish I had wrote down each time I saw this happen. Thing is, I don't think I can afford that much paper and I'm not sure I have enough drive space either. Here's to hoping Governments learn they can't regulate thought or stupidity. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On 1/18/2012 08:21 PM, Dale wrote: I don't like the law and honestly I don't like 99% of the laws they even think about much less pass. Trust me, I let my Rep know several times that I oppose both of them and even got a phone call today from one of them. I also pointed out that no law we pass here affects the people overseas. Last I heard, when you got a few miles off shore, our laws pretty much end. The people in other countries are going to hack and steal and host whatever they want as long as it benefits them. They could care less what our laws are. They may be laughing at us too. I know I could care less what laws they pass somewhere else. Check this out (and note this is without SOPA or PIPA). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzS5rSvZXe8feature=share The US is notorious for extending our(not) laws to other countries. Little piece of info about me. If you want to get me really going, put a politician on TV and let his lips move. I can give a sailor a run for his money. O_O That's why I don't watch news channels - too much chance of exposure to politicians (worse than gamma radiation to me)... Chris --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120118-1, 01/18/2012 Tested on: 1/18/2012 10:04:30 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com
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El 19/01/12 00:55, Chris Walters escribió: I am truly surprised that Gentoo, and more GNU/Linux and *BSD sites did not join in the 'blackout'. The only one I saw that did was opensuse.org . Some of us did support the movement on our ways, for example the Gentoo Hardened team didn't twit the main points of today's meeting unlike we usually do as a way of protest, but of course nobody in the team complained about that. The problem is, in order to get something bigger, you'll probably need to get approval by either the Council or the Board of Trustees, maybe even from both but, the meetings of these guys have their own dates (last council meeting was on the 10th and last trustees ones on the 15th) and nobody on the community (this includes you) raised the issue of blacking out the page. Of course, anybody from infra could just have gone ahead and done it but if anybody complained he would have had to respond to the Council for that so nobody wanted to take the risk. So what now? Well if you want to see Gentoo opossing SOPA and PIPA openly you should raise those points to the council and the trustees so they discuss them on the next meeting. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Chris Walters wrote: On 1/18/2012 08:21 PM, Dale wrote: I don't like the law and honestly I don't like 99% of the laws they even think about much less pass. Trust me, I let my Rep know several times that I oppose both of them and even got a phone call today from one of them. I also pointed out that no law we pass here affects the people overseas. Last I heard, when you got a few miles off shore, our laws pretty much end. The people in other countries are going to hack and steal and host whatever they want as long as it benefits them. They could care less what our laws are. They may be laughing at us too. I know I could care less what laws they pass somewhere else. Check this out (and note this is without SOPA or PIPA). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzS5rSvZXe8feature=share The US is notorious for extending our(not) laws to other countries. Little piece of info about me. If you want to get me really going, put a politician on TV and let his lips move. I can give a sailor a run for his money. O_O That's why I don't watch news channels - too much chance of exposure to politicians (worse than gamma radiation to me)... Chris I shared this on facebook too. This thing is getting a LOT of attention. Next they will try to outlaw Linux. O_O I watch the news but I try to get it straight from the horses backside. We are talking about politicians you know. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:08:42 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 07:21:12PM -0600, Dale wrote: I am truly surprised that Gentoo, and more GNU/Linux and *BSD sites did not join in the 'blackout'. The only one I saw that did was opensuse.org . […] I bypassed the wiki black out. I used adblock to disable the part that blacks everything out. Actually, that could have been one of their points -- it is very easy to circumvent*. Thanks to the blessings of NoScript, I surf with JS mostly disabled, so I wouldn’t have seen it either. However, it is specifically stated on the Wiki page that tells about the blackout) -- they kept a loophole open for “emergencies” (whatever those are). * As far as I heard about those laws (which isn’t as much as I [cs]hould have), they intent to do more than the simple DNS censoring from which our European politicians are getting their wet dreams. I'm like this. The internet, although it can have its bad points, has done really well without Governments, at least ours, getting their fingers in the pie. One thing I have learned is that when you want to really screw up a good thing, get the Government involved. I read a neat way of explaining this a good while back. Governments create a problem, claim they are fixing it when there is none, then spend billions trying to fix the fix that wasn't needed to begin with. I wish I had wrote down each time I saw this happen. Thing is, I don't think I can afford that much paper and I'm not sure I have enough drive space either. Here's to hoping Governments learn they can't regulate thought or stupidity. Humanity starts things and continues things. This is good. Governments stop things. This is only sometimes good. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
Hello! On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:21:12 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: ... I also pointed out that no law we pass here affects the people overseas. Last I heard, when you got a few miles off shore, our laws pretty much end. The people in other countries are going to hack and steal and host whatever they want as long as it benefits them. They could care less what our laws are. They may be laughing at us too. I know I could care less what laws they pass somewhere else. From what I know for sure, many people in different countries supported the opposition to these bills because they understand that this is not just a US problem. If it happens there, it can easily be repeated anywhere. And the point of opposing the US government decisions for people in other countries, to my mind, is to state there point of view *before* their local government try to do the same. And that's important. Regards, Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [gentoo-user] S.O.P.A and P.I.P.A and the blackout.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:08:42 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Here's to hoping Governments learn they can't regulate thought or stupidity. Humanity starts things and continues things. This is good. Governments stop things. This is only sometimes good. Well said. I know the Government, about any kind, is seldom the solution to anything, including a problem. While on this subject, sort of. Who on here as their email set up to encrypt and decrypt emails? I want to test some things OFF LIST. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
