Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On 19/03/2016 05:08, waben...@gmail.com wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >>> Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the >>> dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the >>> complete KDE environment for this test. >> >> KDE 5 is

OT: Re: [gentoo-user] Giving Gentoo Another Go

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:03:46 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > Top Oxymorons Number 33: American history > > Top Oxymorons Number 1a: atonal music. I don't agree to the second statement. ;-) -- Regards wabe

[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On 2016-03-17, Alan Grimes wrote: > My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\ > > One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds > all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF? > > I made the mistake of syncing portage again

[gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

I have a server SUPPOSED to be running 24/7, but every once in a while during a prolonged absence the box will go down. The Real Time Clock will drift, and in the rush to get the box up again I let everything boot up automatically and get both wrong time on the main systems, and different times on

Re: [gentoo-user] How to find which version of $package supports $USE ?

On 03/18/2016 12:06, Rich Freeman wrote: There is some debate about Gentoo having it enabled by default, since it is not part of upstream. However, the hpn patch is probably fairly popular. It is almost a fork, and I have no idea why it hasn't just been merged into openssh proper. Likely

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

Wow, sounds like you've been having a rough time. I think if you chunk things up into tiny pieces of logs, and take the issues on one at a time, you will be able to solve your problems. That said, if you would like to send us the last month or so of your emerge.log, we might be able to help focus

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 08:18:13PM -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: > I use two scripts for all emerge use, the goal is to run one command and > then walk away: > > Standard general update script: > ### > tortoise ~ # cat sysupdate > > #they must have moved or removed the logs,

[gentoo-user] The war continues.

My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\ One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF? I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into useflag hell: I tried to fix it by

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > Why ask the same question again when you got an answer last time? > > Hint: look at the output for asciidoc. > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. I have to add this. From what I understand about the scripts he is using, he is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:08:15 +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote: > What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a > networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants to > install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta". It uses the geolocation code in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> The hard part, getting it to run as root. KDE doesn't like things > >> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease. > > sudo konqueror works here. > This works here as a desktop shortcut. > > kfmclient openProfile

Re: [gentoo-user] local shared directory

On 17/03/2016 19:19, hw wrote: > > Hi, > > how can I make it so that multiple users on a system who create > files in a local, shared directory do have write access to files > created by other users within the shared directory? > > The directory is group-writeable, and the users belong to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Giving Gentoo Another Go

Not sure of any books, but some documents on the Gentoo Wiki about the various projects are helpful. I use /etc/portage/package.{use,accept_keywords}/* in a somewhat unusual way. For each package that needs tuning the USE flags beyond the eselected profile and some globals in make.conf, I have a

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

160317 Alan Grimes wrote: > My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. > One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, > it always rebuilds all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. When I upgraded to LO 5.1.0.3 , it took 1 h 4 m : do you have a very old machine ? > I tried to fix it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Dale wrote: > waben...@gmail.com wrote: > > Alan Grimes wrote: > > > >> Philip Webb wrote: > >> > >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). > >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps. > >> The last

Re: [gentoo-user] [Solved?] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 03/17/2016 11:31 PM, Mick wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2016 06:01:17 Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 18/03/16 05:59, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 18/03/16 05:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan

[gentoo-user] Giving Gentoo Another Go

Hello, After talking to a few diehard Gentoo fans at my local LUG, I decided I would like to give Gentoo another shot. Are there any good books that can supplement the Gentoo handbook as well as books that go more in depth than the Gentoo chapter on Portage? One of the main issues I faced with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Philip Webb wrote: > 160318 waben...@gmail.com wrote: > > Alan Grimes wrote: > >> Philip Webb wrote: > >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). > >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps. > >> The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

waben...@gmail.com wrote: > Dale wrote: > >> waben...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Alan Grimes wrote: >>> Philip Webb wrote: > So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). > Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:31:46 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: > The dependency graph that seems to be murdering me right now seems to > be: > > > kde -> wayland -> gles2 -> egl -> I use KDE5 and don't have egl set anywhere in /etc/portage > .. > > [ebuild N ]

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 03/17/2016 10:59 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 18/03/16 05:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/03/2016 08:50, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: I have a server SUPPOSED to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote: > The hard part, getting it to run as root. KDE doesn't like things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease. >>> sudo konqueror works here. >> This works here as a desktop shortcut. >> >>

[gentoo-user] Re: dealing with distfiles bloat?

On 07/03/16 03:38, Alan Grimes wrote: I can't really read the stupid unformatted du output but it looks like I have 30 gb of bloat in some 3,600 files in my distfiles directory. is there any sane way to prune out some of the older versions, I am in no mood to spend all day hand-pruning these and

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:26:00 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: > Then you should understand the need for detailed error reports and > reading the output from the various commands. > > I always set verbosity to very high or max... What's the point if you don't include the output is your

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

El jue, 17-03-2016 a las 10:55 -0400, Alan Grimes escribió: > My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\ > > One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always > rebuilds > all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF? > > I made the mistake of syncing portage

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >> On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 17/03/2016 08:50, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: I have a server SUPPOSED to be running 24/7, but every once in a while during a prolonged absence the

Re: [gentoo-user] Giving Gentoo Another Go

> On Fri, 18 March 2016, at 6:07 am, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > > … > USE flags enable and disable features of software at compile-time. Take > for example a music player. Maybe it can store the metadata about your > music in flat files, in sqlite, in mysql or postgres.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 17/03/2016 08:50, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: I have a server SUPPOSED to be running 24/7, but every once in a while during a prolonged absence the box will go down. The Real Time Clock will drift, and in the rush to get the box up again I let everything boot up automatically and get both wrong

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:55:24 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: > One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds > all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF? HTF can we tell you when you haven't provided the output. However, you may want to read the revdep-rebuild

[gentoo-user] Re: local shared directory

Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes: > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:19:21 +0100, hw wrote: > > > how can I make it so that multiple users on a system who create > > files in a local, shared directory do have write access to files > > created by other users within the shared directory? > > ACLs.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 waben...@gmail.com wrote: > What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better > than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4 > konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old > konqueror. Now I'm using

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

waben...@gmail.com wrote: > Alan Grimes wrote: > >> Philip Webb wrote: >> >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps. >> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 18/03/16 05:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: >> On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >>> On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/03/2016 08:50, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > I have a server SUPPOSED to be running 24/7, but every once in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

160318 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 17/03/16 18:00, Philip Webb wrote: AG> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default > because they were breaking other packages. PW> Why are you using Wayland ? -- it's still largely experimental, isn't it ? NC> KDE 5 packages force the

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 03/17/2016 11:31 PM, Mick wrote: On Friday 18 Mar 2016 06:01:17 Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 18/03/16 05:59, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 18/03/16 05:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan

[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400 Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going > > Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above. When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever add all of it to @world?

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 17/03/2016 08:50, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: >> I have a server SUPPOSED to be running 24/7, but every once in a while >> during a prolonged absence the box will go down. The Real Time Clock >> will drift, and in the rush to get the box up again I let

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:49:44 -0500, Dale wrote: > [ebuild R] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo > USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB > > The hard part, getting it to run as root. KDE doesn't like things > running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On 18/03/16 05:59, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > On 18/03/16 05:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: >>> On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 17/03/2016 08:50, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: >> I have a

Re: [gentoo-user] local shared directory

On 03/17/2016 06:38 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > > Actually, this is completely viable... > > If users chmod a file then tell them not to. If you must, set up some > cron job to clean up after them. > > But, you

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

Then you should understand the need for detailed error reports and reading the output from the various commands. I always set verbosity to very high or max... Back in the good old days there was this OS called DOS. All of it's commands told you what they were and what they were doing by

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting a valid /etc/adjtime while using ntpd ?

On Friday 18 Mar 2016 06:01:17 Bill Kenworthy wrote: > On 18/03/16 05:59, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > > On 18/03/16 05:14, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 17/03/2016 22:02, Håkon Alstadheim wrote: > >>> On 03/17/2016 02:03 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > On 17/03/16 20:26, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On 18 March 2016 01:08:26 GMT+00:00, Alan Grimes wrote: > > What have you set PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET to? It *must* be one of: * > python2_7 * python3_4 Alec > > I had it on 3_4 but that's giving me: > > > > > tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate > > These are the packages

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

2016-03-18 14:41 GMT-03:00 Dale : > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > > > Why ask the same question again when you got an answer last time? > > > > Hint: look at the output for asciidoc. > > -- > > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > I have to

[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500 Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote: > > > The hard part, getting it to run as root. KDE doesn't like > things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow > grease.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On 03/19/2016 07:56 AM, »Q« wrote: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote: >>> >> The hard part, getting it to run as root. KDE doesn't like >> things running as root so it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dealing with distfiles bloat?

On 19/03/2016 12:47, Hans wrote: > On 07/03/16 03:38, Alan Grimes wrote: >> I can't really read the stupid unformatted du output but it looks like I >> have 30 gb of bloat in some 3,600 files in my distfiles directory. is >> there any sane way to prune out some of the older versions, I am in no >>

[gentoo-user] local shared directory

Hi, how can I make it so that multiple users on a system who create files in a local, shared directory do have write access to files created by other users within the shared directory? The directory is group-writeable, and the users belong to the group which owns the directory. This enables

[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:55:19 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400 > > Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > > > >>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system > >>> --keep-going

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 08:24:51 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote: > Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I > can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to > X server.) Probably an environment variable not surviving the transition to root, try sudo -E

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400 > Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > >>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going >> >> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above. > > When the target is a set (in this case @system),

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Daniel Frey wrote: > On 03/19/2016 07:56 AM, »Q« wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500 >> Dale wrote: >> >>> Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote: >>> The hard part, getting it to run as root. KDE doesn't like >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On 19/03/2016 18:43, »Q« wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:55:19 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote: >>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400 >>> Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >>> > emerge --update --newuse --deep

[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

On 18/03/16 23:57, Alan McKinnon wrote: KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole different DE And full of bugs :-P Holy crap is it full of bugs. Like, seriously.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Mick wrote: > On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 waben...@gmail.com wrote: > > > What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way > > better than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've > > tested the KDE4 konqueror and also dolphin but it was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Philip Webb wrote: > So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). > Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps. The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could go into the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

160318 waben...@gmail.com wrote: > Alan Grimes wrote: >> Philip Webb wrote: >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps. >> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x. Then the flood came (Qt

[gentoo-user] Fastest way to get an upstream kernel bug fixed?

I've done the easy part already: I git-bisected the guilty commit. I don't remember how to file a credible kernel bug report upstream so I hope to coax a gentoo dev into filing one for me :)

[gentoo-user] Simply approach:: Re: The war continues.

Alan Grimes verizon.net> writes: > My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\ I've had a few F'ers in my years of gentoo > One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds > all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF? No one tool or one

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

Alan Grimes wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: > > > So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile). > > Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps. > > The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt > 4) and all the developer

[gentoo-user] Re: Giving Gentoo Another Go

Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes: > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 10:09:14 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > You will develop your way of doing things over time, and that way > > > could change as your needs do. Using your example of package.use, > > > moving USE flags from package.use to

Re: [gentoo-user] Giving Gentoo Another Go

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 23:03:47 -0400, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > After talking to a few diehard Gentoo fans at my local LUG, I decided I > would like to give Gentoo another shot. Are there any good books that > can supplement the Gentoo handbook The Gentoo handbook really is the book. It's written by

[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:03:24 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 19/03/2016 18:43, »Q« wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:55:19 +0200 > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > >> On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote: > >>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400 >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

»Q« wrote: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:03:24 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > Recording @testset in "world_sets" favorites file... > I had also been under the mistaken impression that --update > implied --oneshot, but I see that it's not so. > > > > Don't worry, a lot

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

> What have you set PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET to? It *must* be one of: * python2_7 * python3_4 Alec I had it on 3_4 but that's giving me: tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! !!! Multiple package instances