Re: [JAWS-Users] Strange issue with new type of Google Captcha

[Kenny]

I've encountered this new capcha using Google Chrome. There is normally a 
toggle button/link saying "Switch to Audio" or something like that. Once 
you click on that you're presented with a link to "Play Audio."


I have noticed that it's difficult to locate the edit box after clicking 
the play link. I now first disable the Virtual cursor of JAWS before 
clicking on that Play link. Once the numbers are spoken, I just start 
typing them in. I'm automatically placed in the edit field.


At 09:24 PM 9/11/2017, you wrote:
Hello All. I'm just wondering if anyone has dealt with the following issue
I've started running into with an apparently new type of Google Captcha 
I've

been encountering on some Web sites over the past week. At least one tech
support rep at FS I talked to last Friday seems to be aware of this issue.
This is a type of Google Captcha where you click on a set of pictures as
opposed to entering a set of characters or enter a string of words in an
audio stream, so services like Rumola or WebVisum don't work. In this type
of Captcha, when I check the box labeled "I'm not a robot" in Internet
Explorer, I'm not presented with a link to an audio Captcha. In Firefox
(latest build), I receive the link to the audio and a button to play it.
However, there is either no edit box to enter the results of the audio
Captcha or JAWS isn't recognizing it on the page. Strangely however, when I
navigate to such a Captcha in Google Chrome, all I have to do (at least the
first time I need to access the page), is simply check the "I'm not a 
robot"

checkbox and it verifies me. If I need to re-enter the site however, I get
the same results with the Captcha as in Internet Explorer (i.e. no audio
Captcha is presented, only visual). I have to exit out of Google Chrome
entirely and re-open the browser to log onto the site.



I'm including all this as the Web site for the Equifax Security Breach,
http://.equifaxsecurity2017.com, requires one to navigate this type of
Captcha in order to obtain a user's status info (i.e. whether any personal
information was affected. Uber is also using this type of Captcha on their
log on page.



Anyone run into this issue and know if FS is trying to address it?



Thanks,



Chris

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Kenny]

Press the [f6] key until you're placed in the Address bar field. 
[Tab] once and you should be placed in the Toolbar. Then you simply 
use the left and right arrow keys to navigate to each toolbar entry 
and hit [Enter] or [Spacebar] to activate it.


At 06:01 PM 5/25/2017, you wrote:

Hi

Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest 
version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging.


I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried 
to force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over 
reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in 
Windows 10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the 
right to tell me what software runs on it! When they restore the 
user's ability to decide which updates get installed on their 
computers, among other things, then I'll consider Windows 10.


I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad 
and got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my 
employer. If I could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons.


So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary 
manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that 
that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the 
switch to 16, oh well.


I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 
a month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of JAWS.


Later...




On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote:

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found
that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my
opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After
the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of
struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am
still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was
still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7
also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a
lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible.

I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because
you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version
of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware,
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand
that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs
through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those
versions. Time will tell.

Best,
John


- Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" 
To: "JAWS Users" 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16



Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to
switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the
Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had
with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the
addition of the very useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the
engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was
running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out
wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently
recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version
16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my
memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and
consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction
with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are
for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have
no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future,
I can always reestablish a new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has
already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Chrome remembering logins

[Kenny]

Can I ask you a question regarding Chrome and saving the login information?

I never hear from JAWS about a message being displayed in the 
Notification bar for Chrome regarding "Would you like to save login 
information" or something similar. I always have to hit [f6] to cycle 
to the Address bar, and then I [Tab] until I hear something like 
"Save" and hit [Enter] on that to store the login information.


Does Chrome give any message Notification alerts at all associated 
with actions you can take on a particular web page? FireFox did this 
very well. I like Chrome, just want it to be more verbose on what is 
happening on the web page. This way JAWS can keep me informed. Hate 
guessing and assuming things are happening visually. Want to be told audibly.


At 06:52 PM 5/23/2017, you wrote:

For those of you are who are new Chrome users and learning...
When Chrome starts up press ALT
A vertical menu appears, arrow down to Settings and enter
Then arrow down to Advanced Settings and there you can tell Google 
to remember your login info including passwords and you can tell it 
to automatically login using that data.

This is all completely accessible.



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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Chrome remembering logins

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From: George Martinez
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Chrome remembering logins

Hello All,
Recently I switched from IE-11 to Chrome.  Now I have to sign in 
every time to my NLS account FROWN
Once I land on the NLS site is there a keystroke or series to get 
Chrome to remember my NLS login?

George


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Defender

[Kenny]

I definitely agree with this Maria.

All parts of Defender was much easier to use in prior versions of 
Windows. Also was much easier to take actions on individual files 
deemed to be viruses, but are not. Creator's Windows Defender just 
assumes every file it sees as "Suspicious" as a threat. Sometimes it 
is wrong and you can't tell it to not quarantine or delete the file. 
You could do so easily in the Anniversary edition.


At 06:16 PM 5/23/2017, you wrote:

In the Anniversary version Defender is pretty much accessible. In 
the Creator's version, it's a lot more complex.



lucky1i...@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in 
small things, it does not exist at all.


On 5/23/2017 5:41 PM, jyandt.mar...@comcast.net wrote:
Afternoon all. Can anyone tell me exactly how accessible Windows 
Defender is? I am using JAWS 17 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. 
Many thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Cannot run latest Jaws update file

[Kenny]

Well I didn't hit [Alt]+[Down Arrow]. That was why it didn't read the 
selections in the listbox? So tell me what the heck is the 
[Insert]+[Tab] shortcut meant to do? I use it all the time to read to 
me a listbox selection. Doesn't work in this settings panel for some reason.


At 09:27 AM 5/23/2017, you wrote:
Jaws works fine in the combo box, in the settings area of the 
Creators update, read below.

Apps & Features.
1. Press the Windows key+I, For the Settings area search edit box, 
Tab one time.

2. Press the Right arrow key to Apps, press the Spacebar, Tab one time.
3. You land on Apps & Features, this Tab is already highlighted for 
you, begin by Tabbing one time.
4. You will hear, Choose where you can get apps from. Installing 
only apps from the Store helps protect your PC and keep it running 
smoothly. Combo box Allow apps from anywhere.
If your computer does not say this, press ALT+Down arrow, Highlight, 
Allow apps from anywhere, press enter to change and close the Combo-box.


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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kenny

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cannot run latest Jaws update file

You have to enable "Install Apps from Anywhere."

Press [Windows key]+[i]. Hit the [Tab] key once. Now [Right Arrow] 
until you hear "Apps" then hit [Enter]. You're now in the "Apps and 
Features" treeview option, so simply [Tab] twice to "Choose where 
you can get apps from" and use the arrow keys to select "Install 
Apps from Anywhere."


Now JAWS doesn't seem to read the options in this listbox at all, so 
you will need to [Arrow down or up] one time to change options, 
[Tab] once and then [Shift]+[Tab] once to hear your selection. The 
JAWS [Insert]+[Tab] key for reading the listbox selection once 
changed doesn't work for me.


Hope this helps.

At 08:33 PM 5/22/2017, you wrote:
>I downloaded the latest Jaws 18 update file from FS.  When I tried to
>open it I got a pop up security message from Windows Defender saying
>the file was from an unknown origin and I could not open or run the
>update file.  I clicked on more info and then clicked on run anyway but
>I still could not run the file.  I just updated to windows 10 Creator a
>few days ago.  Any suggestions/ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg Washington
>
>
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Cannot run latest Jaws update file

[Kenny]

You have to enable "Install Apps from Anywhere."

Press [Windows key]+[i]. Hit the [Tab] key once. Now [Right Arrow] 
until you hear "Apps" then hit [Enter]. You're now in the "Apps and 
Features" treeview option, so simply [Tab] twice to "Choose where you 
can get apps from" and use the arrow keys to select "Install Apps 
from Anywhere."


Now JAWS doesn't seem to read the options in this listbox at all, so 
you will need to [Arrow down or up] one time to change options, [Tab] 
once and then [Shift]+[Tab] once to hear your selection. The JAWS 
[Insert]+[Tab] key for reading the listbox selection once changed 
doesn't work for me.


Hope this helps.

At 08:33 PM 5/22/2017, you wrote:

I downloaded the latest Jaws 18 update file from FS.  When I tried to open
it I got a pop up security message from Windows Defender saying the file was
from an unknown origin and I could not open or run the update file.  I
clicked on more info and then clicked on run anyway but I still could not
run the file.  I just updated to windows 10 Creator a few days ago.  Any
suggestions/ideas?

Thanks,

Greg Washington





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Re: [JAWS-Users] well I was wrong

[Kenny]

This is the procedure I use a lot. Sometimes these webmasters use 
fancy DHTML coding for displaying important buttons at the very 
bottom of the web page. The only way JAWS can see these buttons are 
in OCR mode.


At 01:17 PM 5/20/2017, you wrote:
Sometimes, you can try object character recognition in Jaws, then 
left-clicking the result.


Insert-Space, then O, then W.  When the results come up, if you see 
a Buy button or something similar, just left-click it.



- Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] well I was wrong


Judy, for what it's worth, I agree with you.  This is why I never 
tried learning WindowEyes, because it was so different from JAWS. 
Unfortunately, we will have to struggle with the problem until 
universal accessibility is mandated, which may not be for a long 
time, or till the sighted want it. It's always based on what the 
sighted want, because we are a small minority.  However, we have 
made some strides, thanks to the sighted, i.e. greater access to 
audio books, because the sighted decided they liked them.



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in small things, it does not exist at all.


On 5/19/2017 6:31 PM, Judy wrote:

The other day I was so excited about being able to get into that site using
Chrome that didn't work with IE. Well, today when I tried to actually
purchase something it still wouldn't work. I have saved some emails with
info and links some of you sent me, but honestly we shouldn't have to go
through three different browsers in order to access things. I do not relish
having to learn all this stuff simply to access things. I am truly sick of
all this. Okay, done venting and thanks for listening.  Judy & Libby




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Re: [JAWS-Users] winamp cross fading scripts

[Kenny]

Here's the best cross fading plug-in I've used for doing exactly what 
you want Betty:


SqrSoft Advanced Crossfading 1.7
http://sqrsoft-advanced-crossfading.software.informer.com/1.7/

It is 100% accessible to JAWS too. Just install it and then enable it 
in Winamp's Output plug-ins listbox in Options.


Works very well I must say.

Good luck.

-Kenny

At 04:11 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Evening guys

I, yesterday, asked you for an assistance with regard to winamp.

I often play my music in winamp and would like to know how to
crossfade songs / audio files in the application.

I asked whether there are any jaws scripts for that feature and have
not been helped so far.

May I, again, ask you to help me in this regard?
Kind regards
Marisane

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Browsers and background audio

[Kenny]

Wish there was a Google Chrome add-on available that would 
automatically toggle the autoplay feature of all Flash and Html 5 web 
players to off. If you go to a page that you do want to have the web 
player autoplay function enabled, press a shortcut key combination 
and it would be enabled for that visit only.


Guess someone out there will get around to creating such an add-on 
like this one day. Would make surfing some sites with JAWS so much 
easier (And quieter.)


At 03:34 PM 5/19/2017, you wrote:
It seems to be browser dependent. As I said, control-m will stop 
playback in Firefox. I'm looking for ways to stop or block playback 
in both IE and Chrome.


In IE, there are options to not download images and sounds, but will 
any of these options block this embedded media? If so, which option?


Alternatively, is there an extension or add-on that might work to 
solve this problem?


Thanks,
Jeff


On 5/19/2017 6:52 AM, Kenny wrote:
I agree! CNet stinks now for it auto plays some sort of info video 
whennever you access resources there. It doesn't seem to be a Flash 
player. Some new fancy HTML 5 player that JAWS isn't able to 
recognize any controls to stop it.

At 02:46 AM 5/19/2017, you wrote:
I'm still trying to find the best way to deal with sites like CNET 
which automatically launch audio/video on their pages.


First of all, can anyone tell me what is being used to play these 
things? I don't think it's Flash. Is it javascript or something else?


Someone enlightened me to the fact that control-m will stop 
playback in Firefox. Is Firefox the only browser that offers this 
option? Can playback be stopped in either Chrome or IE?


Finally, is there anything in any of the browsers' settings that 
will block this background media? I saw something in IE that 
*might* do it, but I'm not sure. I couldn't find anything in 
either Firefox or Chrome that seemed to have anything to do with this.


If it matters, I'm running JAWS 18 on Windows 10 Anniversary Home 
edition with the latest versions of all 3 browsers mentioned.


Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Browsers and background audio

[Kenny]

I agree! CNet stinks now for it auto plays some sort of info video 
whennever you access resources there. It doesn't seem to be a Flash 
player. Some new fancy HTML 5 player that JAWS isn't able to 
recognize any controls to stop it.


At 02:46 AM 5/19/2017, you wrote:
I'm still trying to find the best way to deal with sites like CNET 
which automatically launch audio/video on their pages.


First of all, can anyone tell me what is being used to play these 
things? I don't think it's Flash. Is it javascript or something else?


Someone enlightened me to the fact that control-m will stop playback 
in Firefox. Is Firefox the only browser that offers this option? Can 
playback be stopped in either Chrome or IE?


Finally, is there anything in any of the browsers' settings that 
will block this background media? I saw something in IE that *might* 
do it, but I'm not sure. I couldn't find anything in either Firefox 
or Chrome that seemed to have anything to do with this.


If it matters, I'm running JAWS 18 on Windows 10 Anniversary Home 
edition with the latest versions of all 3 browsers mentioned.


Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: [JAWS-Users] browsers

[Kenny]

The main reason why I find myself going back to using IE is the 
notification bar. A lot of messages appear their while surfing the 
web. If JAWS isn't automatically reading those message alerts, then 
you maybe missing out on something very important.


JAWS use to work very well with the FireFox browser notification bar 
messages. Recently I've noticed the alert for saving the login info 
isn't working with the [alt]+[r] key anymore. Very frustrating for I 
want to use FireFox exclusively, but the latest build of JAWS 18 has 
broken the notification bar script.


Hope they fix it with the next release.

 At 06:14 PM 5/13/2017, you wrote:

Okay, here is one old JAWS user's opinion.

I  Am now using Chrome as my primary browser.  Things load more reliably,
fewer lockups, more stable streaming video.  It was a long time coming for
me to make the switch, but I just found more and more times ending up having
to use Chrome because IE and Firefox were mis-firing.  Yes, Chrome does
operate differently and takes a bit of time to get used to, but for purposes
of reading what is on the web page, Chrome works the same with JAWS
navigation as is the case for IE or Firefox.  In fact, my transition to
Chrome started by my having links in emails open in Chrome, since that
provided me with the web page all ready to read.  From there over time I
learned the other basics such as saving favorites, and about a month ago
realized that Chrome had become my general use browser, so I made the final
switch and Chrome is now the default browser for all purposes.

Tim Ford


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Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] browsers

I haven't used Chrome much, but I find using Firefox to be a lot like using
IE. Some commands and menu options are differently named, but it doesn't
take long to get used to. For example, the command to go to a URL is
CONTROL-L as opposed to CONTROL-O as is the case with IE.

Andy

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 7:36 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] browsers


> Hi, I've always and still do use Internet Explorer and have the latest one
> 11. I have come across occasionally a couple web sites that don't support
> it
> and want you to use either Firefox or Google chrome. Which of these is
> easier to use and is more accessible to us? Thanks. Judy & aLibby
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] More Efficient Way to Use FaceBook?

[Kenny]

Yes, this section is 500% more accessible to JAWS.

Do have another question.

I'm not receiving a confirmation email from Facebook to my Gmail 
account for adding another email address.


Is there an option or something in Facebook I need to enable so I can 
receive all of their emails? I'm sure Google wouldn't be blocking 
Facebook emails. At least I hope not?


At 06:22 PM 4/19/2017, you wrote:
If you go to m.facebook.com that site seems to be a  little more 
user/friendly.



On 4/20/2017 6:12 AM, Kenny wrote:
I'm looking for the best way of using Facebook on a Windows 10 PC 
running JAWS v18.


Do they offer a more accessible site that is screen reader 
friendly? Similar to what Amazon.com has done?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] More Efficient Way to Use FaceBook?

[Kenny]

Very nice tip. Thanks for explaining it in such detail. Will definitely use it.

At 07:23 PM 4/19/2017, you wrote:

Here is a tip that will most likely make reading posts on FB a little
quicker if you are using the m.facebook.com site.
First of all create a placemarker. This placemarker will be used in
conjunction with, see more stories. See more stories is located toward the
bottom of the screen and once you are focused on it do a control shift k.
This will bring up the placemarker diolog and it should say, . placemarker
list or something similar. Tab one time to, add and press  your spacebar.
Since you are on, see more stories that is what you should hear. Now tab to,
add to all pages on domain and press your  spacebar to check it. Tab again
to, anchor to text and press your spacebar to check it. Tab again and it
will want to know the text.  It should say, see more stories. Tab to OK and
press enter. Now do a control home and go to the top of the FB page. To
start navigating the page you can press the H key for headings.  This will
take you to each post an d read the main caption of that post.  If you want
to hear what that person said just use your down arrow.  If you don't want
to hear it just type the lett h again to go to the next post. When you get
to the end of the page and you type the letter h it will take you back to
the first heading. Here is where you can type the letter K for your
placemarker, see more headings. When you tipe the letter K it will jump to
see more headings and  you can press enter and this will take you to the
next page on FB. Now you can continue to type the letter H to go to the next
heading and the the letter K for the placemarker, see more stories on that
page. You can continue to do this for all pages on FB.

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Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] More Efficient Way to Use FaceBook?

I'm looking for the best way of using Facebook on a Windows 10 PC running
JAWS v18.

Do they offer a more accessible site that is screen reader friendly?
Similar to what Amazon.com has done?


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[JAWS-Users] More Efficient Way to Use FaceBook?

[Kenny]

I'm looking for the best way of using Facebook on a Windows 10 PC 
running JAWS v18.


Do they offer a more accessible site that is screen reader friendly? 
Similar to what Amazon.com has done?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?

[Kenny]

You are right. It didn't tackle my problem. Had 
to add some blank replacement references for the 
characters I didn't want spoken in the Dictionary manager.


Couldn't find the characters I wanted silenced 
listed under the customize punctuation option in 
the settings center. Guess this will have to do. 
At least I can read my email in Eudora Pro in peace now.


At 08:28 PM 4/15/2017, you wrote:

Hi Kenny,

As you have probably figured out by now, that setting doesn't do any good
for the punctuation / symbols that you are looking to silence.  Here's what
that setting does:
Use this edit box to determine when special characters are announced. Some
special characters are always announced. For example, the symbols for
Copyright, Registered, and Trademark are always read by JAWS. Select Never
so that most special characters are not announced. This is the default
setting. Select Type Echo, Say Char, Spell Word so that most special
characters are announced when typing, when reading by character, or when
spelling a word. Select Also Say Word so that special characters are
announced when reading by word, in addition to typing, reading by character,
or spelling. Select Also Say Line so that special characters are announced
when reading by line, in addition to typing, reading by word or character,
or spelling. being announced under the conditions in the previous two
options. Select Also Say All so that special characters are announced when
reading using the Say All command, in addition to typing, reading by
character, word, or line, or spelling.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Kenny
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended
Characters?


I noticed something in the Settings Center under
the Graphics and Symbols option:
Announce Special Symbols When

I used the spacebar to toggle that option to "Never."

Hopefully that will get rid of the announcing of
those special extended characters in Eudora Pro.
Thanks Mike for leading me down the right path.

At 06:02 PM 4/13/2017, you wrote:
>Hi Kenny,
>
>You can do it through the Jaws dictionary, or customize punctuation
>settings
>in the Setting Center default all applications.  You're easiest bet is to
>set the punctuation to, Some, rather than, Most, in Jaws quick settings,
>Jaws key + V.
>Take care.
>Mike
>Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
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>- Original Message -
>From: Kenny
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:30 AM
>Subject: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I've been noticing JAWS speaking a lot of special
>extended characters when reviewing mail in Eudora
>Pro. Starting to drive me crazy!
>
>Characters like ?T and  to mention a few.
>
>I have punctuation set to "Most" for I do want to
>hear characters like quotes and hyphens spoken.
>Is there a way I can stop JAWS from speaking the extended character set?
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?

[Kenny]

I noticed something in the Settings Center under 
the Graphics and Symbols option:

Announce Special Symbols When

I used the spacebar to toggle that option to "Never."

Hopefully that will get rid of the announcing of 
those special extended characters in Eudora Pro. 
Thanks Mike for leading me down the right path.


At 06:02 PM 4/13/2017, you wrote:

Hi Kenny,

You can do it through the Jaws dictionary, or customize punctuation settings
in the Setting Center default all applications.  You're easiest bet is to
set the punctuation to, Some, rather than, Most, in Jaws quick settings,
Jaws key + V.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:30 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?


Hello,

I've been noticing JAWS speaking a lot of special
extended characters when reviewing mail in Eudora
Pro. Starting to drive me crazy!

Characters like ?T and  to mention a few.

I have punctuation set to "Most" for I do want to
hear characters like quotes and hyphens spoken.
Is there a way I can stop JAWS from speaking the extended character set?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Kenny]

JAWS for DOS. LOL! Those were the good old days. My serial number is 
in the mid 7000. Remember installing JAWS v2 using floppy disks back 
then. Boy how the web has changed. I would love to know how much I've 
spent over the years on SMA renewals. Oh well, it was definitely worth it.


At 06:28 PM 4/14/2017, you wrote:
My serial number is also in the low 1100's.  Though, I began my 
experience with  Jaws version II.  My rehabilitation counselor 
wanted to purchase Jaws for dos for me. I have always regretted not 
allowing her to do so.  Because, I since wanted to have the 
privilege of booting up the computer using the hardware dec-talk 
synthesizer, and Jaws for dos.  I think it is a sad  thing we can do 
nothing prior to Jaws booting itself into windows.  As there is no 
speech prior to windows booting itself. .
- Original Message - From: "George Marshall" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:



Hi gang:

Well I'm probably a little older than Dave and Lenny. I first met Ted Henter
when he and I think Derek came down to Fort Myers and they had a seminar at
red lobster, I spoke to both of them at that time don't remember the exact
date. I was using TSI'S speech synthesizer on an IBM 3280. I and my
department director went over to Stuart Florida and watch the demo of an
early standalone computer, we didn't buy it. D I then received a modified
version of the IBM 3280 with speech, it had a little pad that was connected
by a cable that you used to control the speech much like what you do now on
a desktop with jaws for speech. E I don't know that I was first or second to
buy jaws but I can tell you my serial number is in the low 1100s. P it's
been a great trip through version 1 up to 18 now and I've had every version
I have long retired from the school system. A I will be 83 years old at the
end of June, so this probably puts me as one of the oldest on this list. R

Hope this rambling through a little of history helps, tment director

George R. Marshall
geoma4.marsh...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny,

Your age is showing, man.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:22
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he
changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,
I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,
things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being
able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Kenny]

There's always a problem it seems.

I'm curious? How many sites or applications do JAWS users encounter 
that require JAVA? I know there a lot of on-line gaming sites that 
need it to run their plug-ins. For your own needs is it really worth 
the risks? I mean if Google has taken steps to stop certain programs 
from appearing on their search engine, there must be a serious 
problem. Believe other well known sites have also followed suit.


I would just avoid installing them completely, unless I had full 
flexibility to enable them on a site by site basis. That's what using 
FireFox will give you. That's why I have Adobe Flash installed only 
on FireFox. Some important sites I use haven't switched their web 
players to the new HTML 5 format, thus I have to use Adobe Flash to 
access their content.


At 06:07 PM 4/14/2017, you wrote:
I uninstalled Java about three years ago after the U.S. government 
issued this warning. However, I since read that Oracle had fixed the 
security vulnerability and that the government withdrew its notice. 
Is  this over-simplifying? Is there still a problem?


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hans 
Pauli Sundstein

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Mike.

If you hav'nt any program that requires java, it is'nt longer 
nesesary to install java, it will only make your computer more unsecure.


Hans Pauli.


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Mike B.
Dato: 14. april 2017 22:46
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease 
of Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE,
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Kenny]

You're absolutely correct. Both JAVA and Adobe Flash are on 
everyone's hit list for having way too many security vulnerabilities. 
It's best you avoid installing them. You get more flexibility 
installing Adobe Flash on FireFox for you can enable it's use on a 
site by site basis. They may have the same option for JAVA.


At 05:40 PM 4/14/2017, you wrote:

Hi Mike.

If you hav'nt any program that requires java, it is'nt longer 
nesesary to install java, it will only make your computer more unsecure.


Hans Pauli.


-Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mike B.
Dato: 14. april 2017 22:46
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of
Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE,
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] W10 slowing down when it starts.

[Kenny]

Take a look at your Privacy settings. I was noticing the same thing. 
Had to go in there and turn off everything that Microsoft took it 
upon themselves to turn on. My PC now loads quickly again.


Also make sure to checkout your WiFi network settings. Windows has a 
service that turns your PC into a server to transfer updates to other 
Windows users behind the scenes. Upi definitely want to disable it.


At 07:13 AM 4/13/2017, you wrote:



Using new W10, NVDA, current browser IE. Noticing that now my PC 
takes several minutes to restart when I restar my PC. Before it was 
very fast. What can I do to make it fast again. Did disc cleaning. 
There is sometime in start where you can go to uncheck apps to run 
unless you do it manually. Help please. Was able to do so with W7.



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[JAWS-Users] How Do I Stop JAWS from Speaking Extended Characters?

[Kenny]

Hello,

I've been noticing JAWS speaking a lot of special 
extended characters when reviewing mail in Eudora 
Pro. Starting to drive me crazy!


Characters like €™ and  to mention a few.

I have punctuation set to "Most" for I do want to 
hear characters like quotes and hyphens spoken. 
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[JAWS-Users] Double Check Privacy Settings if you've Updated to Windows Creator.

[Kenny]

Microsoft is so damn sneaky!

I have been noticing a lot of weird application behavior on my once 
stable laptop since updating to Windows Creator. Some taking all day 
to load. Others not loading at all, unless I launch them multiple times.


I decided to go back in and check the Privacy setting options that I 
disabled in the prior 1607 build.


Wouldn't you know it, Microsoft went on ahead and enabled most of 
them again without alerting me?


I wish there was a utility that was available for the Creator's 
edition that would automatically disable every single Privacy 
intrusion option for Windows with one click.


Also if it would disable all these stupid new Gaming options that 
would be a plus too. I don't play any games on my laptop and don't 
want any of this garbage on! You even have to go through and extra 
step now to uninstall Program/Features.


I'm regretting more and more each day updating to this build.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to stop Jaws from announcing "super script"

[Kenny]

Thanks Mike for these instructions. Was wondering how to turn that 
off. Kept having reference to that symbol spoke to me in my Eudora Pro mail.


At 02:07 PM 4/11/2017, you wrote:

Hi Adrian & Mr. Ed,

Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center, Insert + 6 on the number row, & press, Control,
Shift, + D, to open the Setting Center default all applications.  Note:  If
you want to stop Jaws from announcing, Super Script, in a particular
application open the Settings Center while in the application without
opening the Settings Center default all applications.
2. Arrow down to, Speech & Sound Schemes, & right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Modify Schemes, & press the spacebar to open.  Note:
Do not press enter, pressing enter will close the Settings Center.
4. Tab to, Edit Selected Scheme button, & press the spacebar to open.
5. Control + Tab to the Attributes tab, & Tab 1 time to get into the list of
attributes.
6. Arrow down to, Super Scripts Behavior, Tab 1 time to get into the radio
buttons of options, & arrow up / down to the, Ignore, option.
7. Now tab & you'll have various options as how you want to save this
change.  I won't go through the save options because various people will
want to choose how they might want to save their scheme after making a
change.

Take care.
Mike
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From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to stop Jaws from announcing "super script"


So, to be clear, you use Outlook 2010 both for your bible reading and your
email? How strange, then, that the superscript verbalization was omitted
when you sent a message to the list. I figured you were reading the bible in
a different application. As I tried to explain, in my experience, JAWS
doesn't say "superscript" in Outlook, but it does in Word. Sorry, Ed, I'm
really not trying to give you a hard time, just to understand the problem so
that I or someone else can help.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to stop Jaws from announcing "super script"

Hi,
I use Outlook 2010 to read my daily Bible reading. Any ideas on how to stop
it from reading that?
Mr. Ed

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to stop Jaws from announcing "super script"

Ed, I find that JAWS announces superscript in MS Word but not in my Outlook
email messages. So you may still have the problem. Which application do you
use to read that bible?

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:55 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to stop Jaws from announcing "super script"

Well folks it did not announce super script in this email I sent out as it
must have strip the formatting out.
Mr. Ed

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:29 AM
To: JAWS-Users-List 2
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How to stop Jaws from announcing "super script"

Hi Again,

Below is a sentence that Jaws announces super script on the April 24 date
below. This is what I am wanting to be able to stop Jaws from announcing in
my Bible reading.

So if you know how I can stop Jaws from announcing this please let me know.

If you want to know how Creators Update is going with screen readers, you
should mark April 24th on your calendars, as Jonathan Mosen (producer of
FSCast) will be talking about Creators Update at Accessible World's Tek Talk
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

[Kenny]

That's good to know for my patience is wearing thin with this volume bug.

At 11:34 AM 4/6/2017, you wrote:

Kenny,

BFO is aware of the jfw problems from what I understand.  I find it 
interesting that an update was not pushed out for march for jfw 
18.  I am guessing that an update is commiong out at some point.


Matthew



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From: Kenny
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

Well thanks to the Microsoft Upgrade Assistant, I'm now running:
Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.13

The upgrade went pretty smoothly. Used the [Control]+[Windows
Key]+[Enter] shortcut to bring up Narrator immediately during
installation, so I was able to do the upgrade myself, without any
sighted assistance.

The only problem I'm encountering has to do with JAWS.

The volume of JAWS periodically goes down then back up again while
reading any text. It's pretty damn annoying and it's making me regret this.

I highly recommend anyone using JAWS with Windows 10 to wait on FS to
release an update first, before upgrading to the
<https://www.howtogeek.com/278132/whats-new-in-windows-10s-creators-update/>Creator's 


build. Hopefully they'll take care of the default Windows 10 mail app
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

[Kenny]

The problem doesn't affect Narrator at all. The down and up volume 
level adjustment occurs only when JAWS speaks. It is very annoying. 
It comes and go sporadically.


At 11:54 AM 4/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi,
After you install the Creators update and If you just try running Narrator
does the volume keep going up and down? Just curious.
Mr. Ed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

Wish it was that simple to fix. It's definitely not audio ducking. I even
disabled audio ducking for Windows Narrator and still the up and down volume
problem persist.

Hopefully the next JAWS update will address this pain in the you know what.

At 07:10 AM 4/6/2017, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Jaws 18 has auto ducking built into it, press insert+ spacebar D, HTH,
> Jorge
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>On Behalf Of Kenny
>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:50 AM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.
>
>Well thanks to the Microsoft Upgrade Assistant, I'm now running:
>Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.13
>
>The upgrade went pretty smoothly. Used the [Control]+[Windows
>Key]+[Enter] shortcut to bring up Narrator immediately during
>installation, so I was able to do the upgrade myself, without any sighted
assistance.
>
>The only problem I'm encountering has to do with JAWS.
>
>The volume of JAWS periodically goes down then back up again while
>reading any text. It's pretty damn annoying and it's making me regret this.
>
>I highly recommend anyone using JAWS with Windows 10 to wait on FS to
>release an update first, before upgrading to the
><https://www.howtogeek.com/278132/whats-new-in-windows-10s-creators 
-upd>ate/>

>Creator's
>build. Hopefully they'll take care of the default Windows 10 mail app
>problem too.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

[Kenny]

I did it a few minutes after the Update Assistant finished 
downloading the files and alerted me to the system Restart.


I only had to bring up Narrator one time using this key combination 
and it seem to come up on it's own automatically after each reboot of 
Windows during setup.


Now that I think about it?

Has someone tried bringing up Narrator and going through its settings 
to enable it to automatically start (Control whether Narrator starts 
when I sign in,) before you allow Windows to restart?


I'm curious if Narrator would just come up when your system reboots 
without you having to do anything.


At 12:14 PM 4/6/2017, you wrote:
Hi I am going to use the media creation tool to try and update to 
the creators update. A question first. When you say, Used the 
[Control]+[Windows Key]+[Enter] shortcut to bring up Narrator 
immediately during installation, do you do this during the download 
and install process, or after completing all the screens and 
pressing the restart button? Thanks, any help is appreciated Smiles.



Your humble pinhead!
Owner of the W-10 and Jaws Yahoo group! Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of matthew dyer

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

Kenny,

BFO is aware of the jfw problems from what I understand.  I find it 
interesting that an update was not pushed out for march for jfw 
18.  I am guessing that an update is commiong out at some point.


Matthew



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From: Kenny
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

Well thanks to the Microsoft Upgrade Assistant, I'm now running:
Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.13

The upgrade went pretty smoothly. Used the [Control]+[Windows 
Key]+[Enter] shortcut to bring up Narrator immediately during 
installation, so I was able to do the upgrade myself, without any 
sighted assistance.


The only problem I'm encountering has to do with JAWS.

The volume of JAWS periodically goes down then back up again while 
reading any text. It's pretty damn annoying and it's making me regret this.


I highly recommend anyone using JAWS with Windows 10 to wait on FS 
to release an update first, before upgrading to the 
<https://www.howtogeek.com/278132/whats-new-in-windows-10s-creators-update/>Creator's
build. Hopefully they'll take care of the default Windows 10 mail 
app problem too.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Continuing Problem With Navigating E-mail Group

[Kenny]

Tom you are not alone.

I believe the last major Microsoft update this past March changed or 
disabled  something in Windows that broke JAWS.


I've gone back to using Eudora Pro 7.1 due to my experiencing similar 
problems with Windows 10 mail. Amazing how Eudora keeps on ticking 
after so many years of not being updated.


Hopefully VFO is working on a fix for JAWS that will address this, 
and several other problems people have discussed on this list during 
the past few weeks.


At 01:57 PM 4/6/2017, you wrote:

Hello again, everyone.



I hate to bug the list again, but my recently-emergent problem with
navigating an e-mail group in Outlook 2016 continues.



At least now, I have a bit more information to share about the problem,
since I have had some sighted assistance with the screen.



My problem is that once I'm in the list view for the e-mail group, Jaws no
longer responds as it should when I  navigate up and down the list of group
members, using the up and down arrow keys.



The sighted individual who is helping me can easily navigate up and down the
list of members using the arrow keys, but Jaws seems to be stuck on the last
name I have highlighted, and only speaks that name, rather than reflecting
what the arrow keys are actually doing.



I'd appreciate any suggestions for solving this issue.



If I am not verbalizing the problem well, please let me know.



I'm using Jaws 18 with Windows 7 here.



Thank you!



Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Unsubscribe please

[Kenny]

My prayers are with you and your family. Sorry for your loss.

At 10:43 AM 4/6/2017, you wrote:

My husband Allen enjoyed being a member of this group, but he passed away
February 4th 2017
Due to strep pneumonia and acute respitory failure.  He was a wonderful,
amazing guy and will
always be loved and forever missed.

Sincerely,
Jennifer Childs (his wife)


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Core shredder mystery

[Kenny]

Have you explored your system trey for the culprit. Press [Windows 
key]+[b] or [Insert]+[f11] and see what's listed.


Review the programs listed in the Programs and Features area too. See 
if there something listed in the installed programs list that you 
didn't specifically install. Once you know the name of the ghost, you 
can research Google for a ghost buster LOL!


At 02:55 PM 4/6/2017, you wrote:

Hello wealth of knowledge team,



I have noticed an ominous ghost each time I boot up or restart my laptop.
When I press insert-t JAWS reads; "Core Shredder"  If I use my JAWS  cursor
there is nothing there and when I alt-tab to another place the notice goes
away.  I am using a laptop with Windows 7 64bit with an HP machine and JAWS
15.  Does anybody have a clue about my invader?  Core Shredder sounds so
dangerous and I can't find my ray gun.



Wayne

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

[Kenny]

Wish it was that simple to fix. It's definitely not audio ducking. I 
even disabled audio ducking for Windows Narrator and still the up and 
down volume problem persist.


Hopefully the next JAWS update will address this pain in the you know what.

At 07:10 AM 4/6/2017, you wrote:

Hi,
Jaws 18 has auto ducking built into it, press insert+ spacebar D,
HTH,
Jorge

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 12:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

Well thanks to the Microsoft Upgrade Assistant, I'm now running:
Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.13

The upgrade went pretty smoothly. Used the [Control]+[Windows Key]+[Enter]
shortcut to bring up Narrator immediately during installation, so I was able
to do the upgrade myself, without any sighted assistance.

The only problem I'm encountering has to do with JAWS.

The volume of JAWS periodically goes down then back up again while reading
any text. It's pretty damn annoying and it's making me regret this.

I highly recommend anyone using JAWS with Windows 10 to wait on FS to
release an update first, before upgrading to the
<https://www.howtogeek.com/278132/whats-new-in-windows-10s-creators-update/>
Creator's
build. Hopefully they'll take care of the default Windows 10 mail app
problem too.
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[JAWS-Users] Don't be in a Hurry to Become Creative.

[Kenny]

Well thanks to the Microsoft Upgrade Assistant, I'm now running:
Windows 10 Home Version 1703 OS Build 15063.13

The upgrade went pretty smoothly. Used the [Control]+[Windows 
Key]+[Enter] shortcut to bring up Narrator immediately during 
installation, so I was able to do the upgrade myself, without any 
sighted assistance.


The only problem I'm encountering has to do with JAWS.

The volume of JAWS periodically goes down then back up again while 
reading any text. It's pretty damn annoying and it's making me regret this.


I highly recommend anyone using JAWS with Windows 10 to wait on FS to 
release an update first, before upgrading to the 
Creator's 
build. Hopefully they'll take care of the default Windows 10 mail app 
problem too. 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

[Kenny]

Has your job received any automatic updates for Windows from Microsoft lately?

I've noticed since a recent Windows 10 March update that JAWS 18 no 
longer reads the message body for the default Mail app in the Virtual 
Viewer window. You have to switch to Caret browsing for it to 
somewhat work now.


Also after the most recent cumulative Microsoft Windows 10 update 
JAWS v18 crashes a lot when I use Internet Explorer v11 to browse the web.


Believe we're voicing our anger at the wrong people. FS is doing the 
best they can to keep up. It's hard when MS just does massive changes 
to their own OS without warning, and these changes break JAWS a lot 
of the time.


At 08:47 AM 3/31/2017, you wrote:

Hi all.

Recently, whilst using JAWS at work, the program has been crashing
unpredictably.  Is anyone aware of an issue which could be causing
this to happen?  I am currently using JAWS 18.0.2530 and windows 10.

Thanks,

Adam.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Silence is not golden!

[Kenny]

Ah! That's what trusty Windows Narrator is for. Next time you find yourself
being given the silent treatment by your PC, try pressing [Windows
Key]+[Enter] to launch the Windows Narrator screen reader. Has saved my butt
a many of times.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of wayne smith
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Silence is not golden!

For us, silence is not especially golden.  I just had my computer freeze
after I saved some Learning All books from my SD card to a folder in my C
drive.  The computer went silent.  My wife told me that there was a warning
on the screen and the option to run a reset to an earlier point.  The point
is that if my wife wasn't there I would be stuck in the silence.  Any
thoughts on options other than to hold down the power button until I force a
shutdown?

 

Wayne

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Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Use NVDA on Clickable Elements within a Web Page?

[Kenny]

I understand, that's why I immediately sent a reply saying please disregard.
I sent the question to the wrong list by mistake.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Use NVDA on Clickable Elements within a
Web Page?

This subject is "off topic" for this list.
Thank you,

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How Do I Use NVDA on Clickable Elements within a
Web Page?


in laptop mode i press capslock shift m to route the mouse then capslock
left bracket to click it.



On 10/21/2016 2:57 PM, Kenny wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Ok, I can't believe the free NVDA screen reader is able to read a 
> clickable element on a web page that JAWS wasn't able to see at all?
>
>
>
> Now my problem is trying to get the NVDA mouse tracking function to Route
> pointer to the browse cursor? In JAWS I would press [Insert]+[- on numpad]
> to route JAWS cursor to virtual cursor and left click (That's if JAWS saw
> the clickable element which it doesn't.)
>
>
>
> So in NVDA, I'm navigating the web page using the arrow keys in Browse 
> mode.
> Then I land on the clickable element which is contained in a table cell. I
> need the mouse pointer to left click it. Tried pressing [Insert]+[/ on
> Numpad] then hitting [/ on numpad] to do this but it's not working.
>
>
>
> Does NVDA have a special way of activating a clickable element on a web
> page? And no, pressing the [Enter] key doesn't work. Must use the mouse
> pointer to left click it.
>
>
>
> The element isn't a conventional link or banner. It's a graphic created by

> a
> JAVA script of some type.
>
>
>
> Am I'm even using the right steps?
>
>
>
> If I'm able to do this successfully, I'm going to think twice before
> investing another $140+ on my JAWS SMA when it expires. It's obvious the
> programmers of NVDA are more in tuned on providing useful functions to 
> users
> of their screen reader in their updates.
>
>
>
> Been using JAWS sense version 2.0 (My serial number is only 4 digits) so
> this definitely isn't an easy decision for me.
>
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[JAWS-Users] How Do I Use NVDA on Clickable Elements within a Web Page?

[Kenny]

Hello,

 

Ok, I can't believe the free NVDA screen reader is able to read a clickable
element on a web page that JAWS wasn't able to see at all?

 

Now my problem is trying to get the NVDA mouse tracking function to Route
pointer to the browse cursor? In JAWS I would press [Insert]+[- on numpad]
to route JAWS cursor to virtual cursor and left click (That's if JAWS saw
the clickable element which it doesn't.)

 

So in NVDA, I'm navigating the web page using the arrow keys in Browse mode.
Then I land on the clickable element which is contained in a table cell. I
need the mouse pointer to left click it. Tried pressing [Insert]+[/ on
Numpad] then hitting [/ on numpad] to do this but it's not working.

 

Does NVDA have a special way of activating a clickable element on a web
page? And no, pressing the [Enter] key doesn't work. Must use the mouse
pointer to left click it.

 

The element isn't a conventional link or banner. It's a graphic created by a
JAVA script of some type.

 

Am I'm even using the right steps?

 

If I'm able to do this successfully, I'm going to think twice before
investing another $140+ on my JAWS SMA when it expires. It's obvious the
programmers of NVDA are more in tuned on providing useful functions to users
of their screen reader in their updates.

 

Been using JAWS sense version 2.0 (My serial number is only 4 digits) so
this definitely isn't an easy decision for me.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

[Kenny]

I'm running Windows 10 Home Edition 64. On my PC, if IE 11 crashes, JAWS v18
does too. It's like they're sharing the same DLL files or something.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Fred Adams
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 6:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

I never have problems with jaws crashing but I have a continuous problem
with IE 11 crashing.  I have gone through my settings many times but I can't
find a solution to the crashing of IE 11.

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Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

I also notice that too. When clicking on the button to display all comments
and so forth, both Internet Explorer 11 and JAWS 18 B3 crash! Very annoying.

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Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

Unfortunately, I find my JAWS 18 crashing, as well as Internet Explorer,
when entering on a Facebook link from within a message. This doesn't happen
with JAWS 17.  I'm using the mobile Facebook site.



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Without them, humanity cannot survive.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

[Kenny]

I also notice that too. When clicking on the button to display all comments
and so forth, both Internet Explorer 11 and JAWS 18 B3 crash! Very annoying.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS crashing

Unfortunately, I find my JAWS 18 crashing, as well as Internet Explorer,
when entering on a Facebook link from within a message. This doesn't happen
with JAWS 17.  I'm using the mobile Facebook site.



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Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes and Jaws

[Kenny]

The answer is absolutely not! That's why I didn't renew my yearly
subscription.

It seems that several popular anti-virus programs use this same program
configuration for some reason. They're completely inaccessible to JAWS beta
3. All I can do is [Tab] around and have the buttons landed on read to me.
Nothing else though.

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Behalf Of Greg Washington
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Malwarebytes and Jaws

Iam using Jaws latest 17 on a Windows 10 computer.  I installed the free
Malwarebytes version 2.2.1.1043.  I can navigate the options on the menu to
start a scan and can use control+tab to go to the other headings such as
update and history.  However I cannot read any of the results  using Jaws,
even when I route Jaws to the pc cursor.  Does anyone have a way to read the
results?  Also is the paid version of Malwarebytes more accessible?

Greg Washington

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

[Kenny]

Actually Reddit just put an audio captcha system in place 
today. Curious why it took them so long to do this.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

try
supp...@reddit.com
this is just a guess but it's worth a shot!

-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 1:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Okay, thanks. But, I don't see how to e-mail them.  When I 
go to contact, I
don't see anyway to e-mail them, not even with the faqs. 
I'll continue
looking, but if anyone has their e-mail contact, please 
whare it with me.

Justin

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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On

Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 6:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

You should email ReddIt's support and request that they 
disable that for
your account. Just explain you are a screen reader user and 
cannot
participate on the site do to the capture image being 
inaccessible. They

will fix this for you.

-Original Message-
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 3:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Does anyone know hwo to get past the capcha on reddit.com?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] captcha

[Kenny]

I came across the following on ReddIt's FAQ for the /r/blind 
community:


Q: How Can I Avoid The CAPTCHA?

A: As it says on our submission screen, you can email
cont...@reddit.com,
or send a modmail to the reddit administrators, and they can 
help you get around the CAPTCHA. If you have access to tools 
like

WebVisum
or
CaptchaMonster
they can also solve the Reddit CAPTCHA. Accounts with a gold 
subscription, or high enough Karma, are also exempt from the 
CAPTCHA.



Wish I knew someone who was using CaptchaMonster. You need 
an invite code to register.


-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] captcha

Justin, look through the Google results below in case 
there's an answer for you. I note a mention of Reddit's 
press office. I've found getting their PR people involved 
can make good things happen:

https://www.google.com/search?site==hp=email+contact+for+reddit%3F=email+contact+for+reddit%3F_l=hp.3...3773.8028.0.8863.25.21.0.4.4.0.163.1824.10j8.18.00...1c.1.64.hp..3.19.1684...0j0i131k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i160k1.G_UBGJNkzBg

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From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of 
Justin Williams

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 4:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Okay, thanks. But, I don't see how to e-mail them.  When I 
go to contact, I don't see anyway to e-mail them, not even 
with the faqs.  I'll continue looking, but if anyone has 
their e-mail contact, please whare it with me.

Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of 
Kenny

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 6:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

You should email ReddIt's support and request that they 
disable that for your account. Just explain you are a screen 
reader user and cannot participate on the site do to the 
capture image being inaccessible. They will fix this for 
you.


-Original Message-
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 3:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Does anyone know hwo to get past the capcha on reddit.com?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

[Kenny]

The below snippet came from the FAQ for the /r/blind 
community:


Q: How Can I Avoid The CAPTCHA?

A: As it says on our submission screen, you can email
cont...@reddit.com,
or send a modmail to the reddit administrators, and they can 
help you get around the CAPTCHA. If you have access to tools 
like

WebVisum
or
CaptchaMonster
they can also solve the Reddit CAPTCHA. Accounts with a gold 
subscription, or high enough Karma, are also exempt from the 
CAPTCHA.


-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams

Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 4:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Okay, thanks. But, I don't see how to e-mail them.  When I 
go to contact, I
don't see anyway to e-mail them, not even with the faqs. 
I'll continue
looking, but if anyone has their e-mail contact, please 
whare it with me.

Justin

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On

Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 6:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

You should email ReddIt's support and request that they 
disable that for
your account. Just explain you are a screen reader user and 
cannot
participate on the site do to the capture image being 
inaccessible. They

will fix this for you.

-Original Message-
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 3:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Does anyone know hwo to get past the capcha on reddit.com?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

[Kenny]

You should email ReddIt's support and request that they 
disable that for your account. Just explain you are a screen 
reader user and cannot participate on the site do to the 
capture image being inaccessible. They will fix this for 
you.


-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams

Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 3:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] recaptcha

Does anyone know hwo to get past the capcha on reddit.com?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 mail;

[Kenny]

Your steps are correct.

The mail app will mirror whatever messages she currently has stored in her 
account at Gmail.com. That's one of the advantages of using iMap over POP3. 
Any new messages to and previous messages stored in her gmail account will 
be sync in the Mail app.


Believe there is an option in settings for restricting how far back you want 
the Windows 10 mail app to retrieve previous messages.


-Original Message- 
From: David Whitehead

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 2:40 PM
To: Jaws Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 mail;

Good afternoon to all;



One of my client's would like to setup the windows 10 mail client.



I would like to just verify some information,



1, to setup the email account,

I need to go to,



Settings, windows-key+i



2, tab to the list of items, and right arrow and enter on,

Accounts,



3, then I need to again tab once,

Now, arrow down and enter on,

Email accounts,



4, again I need to tab and here I see, add email account,

Here I would add enter.



Now the type of account is Gmail,

So, I assume I choose google?



Now, when I go through the setup,

Will my client just receive all new messages from the Gmail account?

Or, can my client receive all previous mail.



Just want to make sure I will do this right.

In advance, thank you.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS v17?

[Kenny]

Yes it is Sherri. It is one of several apps (Groove Music, Windows Defender, 
Microsoft Edge browser, etc.) that comes pre-installed with Windows 10. MS 
tries to make their OS user friendly immediately after installation, so it 
provides these apps free of charge to address common end-user tasks 
(Checking mail, browsing the web, protection from Malware and viruses...  so 
forth.)


Don't ever label a question is stupid for the list is here to help.

-Original Message- 
From: Sherri

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS 
v17?


Stupid question--wht is the default mail app for Windows 10? I'm just
curious.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kenny" <kwashingtonl...@gmail.com>

To: "JAWS Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS v17?


Hello,

Even though I do like how well JAWS v17 works with the default Mail app for
Windows 10, I still gave the Windows Live Mail application a try. It seems
to work even better with JAWS, and offers a whole lot more bells and
whistles (News reader, Podcast and RSS feeds etc.).

Are there any FS (Or user) tutorials out there giving tips on how to
interact with WLM using JAWS? Maybe a list of all available keyboard
shortcuts.

One of the things I did like with the default mail app is that it gave you
the number of replies for a particular thread in the subject line. WLM doesn’t
seem to do that. Is there a way of enabling this?

Also does WLM offer a message view pain. Meaning as you arrow through the
list of message subjects, a portion of the associated message body will be
shown in a view window pain. If WLM does offer such a feature, how do I turn
it on.

I’m very surprised that MS stop development on WLM for it seems to be much
more advanced then the new Mail app they’ve replaced it with.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS v17?

[Kenny]

Very nice find. Thanks for sharing this resource. Wasn't aware someone 
created a JAWS guides page for popular applications.


-Original Message- 
From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 7:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS 
v17?



Check out this guide to using Windows Live Mail with JAWS:

http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Windows-Live-Mail-2011-Guide.html


Gerald



-Original Message- 
From: Kenny

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:14 PM
To: JAWS Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS v17?

Hello,

Even though I do like how well JAWS v17 works with the default Mail app for
Windows 10, I still gave the Windows Live Mail application a try. It seems
to work even better with JAWS, and offers a whole lot more bells and
whistles (News reader, Podcast and RSS feeds etc.).

Are there any FS (Or user) tutorials out there giving tips on how to
interact with WLM using JAWS? Maybe a list of all available keyboard
shortcuts.

One of the things I did like with the default mail app is that it gave you
the number of replies for a particular thread in the subject line. WLM doesn’t
seem to do that. Is there a way of enabling this?

Also does WLM offer a message view pain. Meaning as you arrow through the
list of message subjects, a portion of the associated message body will be
shown in a view window pain. If WLM does offer such a feature, how do I turn
it on.

I’m very surprised that MS stop development on WLM for it seems to be much
more advanced then the new Mail app they’ve replaced it with.

Thanks for any help.

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[JAWS-Users] Any Tips for Using Windows Live Mail with JAWS v17?

[Kenny]

Hello,

Even though I do like how well JAWS v17 works with the default Mail app for 
Windows 10, I still gave the Windows Live Mail application a try. It seems to 
work even better with JAWS, and offers a whole lot more bells and whistles 
(News reader, Podcast and RSS feeds etc.).

Are there any FS (Or user) tutorials out there giving tips on how to interact 
with WLM using JAWS? Maybe a list of all available keyboard shortcuts.

One of the things I did like with the default mail app is that it gave you the 
number of replies for a particular thread in the subject line. WLM doesn’t seem 
to do that. Is there a way of enabling this?

Also does WLM offer a message view pain. Meaning as you arrow through the list 
of message subjects, a portion of the associated message body will be shown in 
a view window pain. If WLM does offer such a feature, how do I turn it on.

I’m very surprised that MS stop development on WLM for it seems to be much more 
advanced then the new Mail app they’ve replaced it with.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws issues and more

[Kenny]

WOW! Sounds like what my trusting mom experienced a few weeks ago.

Since she didn't have anything installed on the laptop worth keeping I 
instructed her on how to factory reset the Dell Laptop (Her situation was a 
lot worse than yours.) They were trying to get $75 out of my mom and she 
hung up the phone LOL!


Ransomeware is definitely the scourge of the web. You were very very lucky 
they didn't encrypt all of your files forcing you to deal with them.


Next time you get one of those persistent alert boxes while surfing a site, 
it's best you never click on any button. Try hitting [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[Escape] 
to bring up the Windows Tasks manager. Locate the name process in the list 
of running tasks and  select [End Task] button to close/stop it.


Then disconnect your PC and run a full virus scan. Afterwards, use 
Piriform's CCleaner program to stop any leftover malware/ran some modules 
from loading at startup (have this installed before hand.)


https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download

Also use CCleaner to completely clean all of your browser's cache and 
unneeded temp files.


Always reboot your PC after performing any checks. Pay attention to the 
System Tray (Area next to the clock) after each restart for any unfamiliar 
programs which you didn't install willingly.


If you notice any, bring up the Windows Programs and Features manager and 
start uninstalling them.


The faster you are at killing the tasks and disconnecting your PC from the 
web, the better your chances are in dealing with the infection rather 
easily. The key is never never click on any button to close the alert popup.


My motto is that if they used illegal means to draw me in, then use common 
sense not to stay in.


Glad everything worked out for you.

-Original Message- 
From: John Fitzgerald

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws issues and more

Hi Everyone,



I am putting this info out so that you can recognize some of the signs and
hopefully prevent someone from being taken, and I apologize in advance if
this doesn't meet the strict guidelines for the list.



My computer started acting weird a couple of days ago, it popped up saying
the magic and jaws were installed incorrectly and the they were now running
in forty minute mode.  I did a complete shutdown and restart which seemed to
solve the problem.  The first time it occurred I thought it was just a
glitch.



The next morning when I restarted my computer the exact same thing occurred,
and a restart solved the issue again.  The third morning I had no issues
after starting the computer for the day.  While checking my email I went to
the classmates.com website to get the particulars on my  40th high school
reunion, I clicked on a link there to see a message from a classmate, which
brought up a popup stating that my computer was infected and that I needed
to call this 888 toll free number.  I tried to close the popup but it
wouldn't close, then I tried to close firefox and it wouldn't respond
either.



So, I called the toll free number and got someone who spoed very poor
English, I asked him who he was with and he told me Microsoft technical
support.  I asked him once again and was told the t=same thing.  He had me
open the run box and put in hh space h and ftell him what was on the window,
then he had me find and connect to ? (forgot  this one).  At which time he
had full access to my computer.  At this point he was telling me everything
that I needed to do to prevent malware/ransome ware, then he launched  into
a sales pitch for three different levels of protection and he was going to
hand me off to a technician.



At this point the light came on, and I said " So let me see if I understand
this correctly, you put ransome ware on my computer, and now in order to get
it fixed you are pumping me for God knows how much money?", at this  point
he muted his phone, and I attempted to shutdowm my computer, but it didn't
respond.  I tried a second shutdown and still no response, so I did a hard
shutdown (held the power button down for approximately 6 seconds). Then I
pulled my Ethernet cable.



At this point I thought I was in deep excrement.  I then called the company
who did the AT build on this computer, I talked with a tech support guy who,
said "Oh my, is the computer on now?.  He worked me through giving him
access to my computer with the sighted assistance of one of my
granddaughtrs, then he got my jaws and magic programs going again, checked
to see what damage had been done, checked to see if funning the windows
updates was ok with me, started the 127 update downloads, and said that if I
had any more problems to call him again tomorrow.



If I hadn't had this resource, I would still be off line strggling to get
jaws and magic back so that I could function.  I guess the moral of this
story is "It can happen to you", and I can't thank the people at boundless
AT enough for their assistance.