At 09:18 AM 1/4/99 -0500, Ken Stubbs wrote:
milton:
your disappointing me again here !!
for someone whose academic reputation is proportedly founded on accurate
research and interpretation, you are stepping way out-of-bounds here milton.
1. the meeting was not run by CORE members
Right Ken,
At 12:45 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
What would be an example of a gTLD which would be operational today were it
not for "TM interests"?
pentium.sucks
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At 04:54 PM 1/21/99 -0500, Robert Raisch wrote:
Richard J. Sexton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What a perfect oppertunity for an entrepeneur to offer such a service.
Ok, I'll bite, Richard. How would you imagine someone might build a business
to provide access to data which is not acquirable
At 01:36 AM 1/22/99 -0800, you wrote:
At 09:13 AM 1/22/99 +, you wrote:
A small amount of thought might persuade you that this process is already
well under way. The root servers remain with NSI. The root zone is
frozen. The RIRs, the regional IP address space registries, are thinking
At 05:41 PM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
Well, I for one thank the ORSC for letting us know what went on behind
closed doors. That action, to me, shows good faith. In this case, I
choose to believe that the ORSC is a little bit pregnant.
Some of us in ORSC have difficulty with that analogy :-)
At 04:26 PM 1/22/99 -0500, Dan Steinverg wrote:
"Richard J. Sexton" wrote:
At 10:13 AM 1/22/99 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
If one takes the view that one must only send what everyone is assured of
being able to process, then we will never have any upgrades. No MIME. No
HTML. No
At 12:35 AM 1/24/99 +0800, you wrote:
it isn't often that a statement invalidates itself.
Yes it is. It happens every time a post is signed:
d/
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number after 16 is." - Dixon (tinc)
At 01:57 PM 1/23/99 -0500, Dan Steinberg wrote:
Show me a mailing list where postng in only HTML is accepted and I'll believe you.
I'm on about 40 of them (about 300 messages/day on the aggregate).
Surprisingly, there are no dinosaurs on them. Seems like doctors,
lawyers, speedskaters,
At 08:54 PM 1/25/99 -0500, Jay Fenello wrote:
The trademark/business community is *much*,
**much** stronger than ORSC, yet ORSC has
been able to block (or at least slow down)
many of the plans that we haven't agreed
with.
Don't you think they can as well?
The nameserver operators of the
At 07:14 PM 1/24/99 +, Jim Dixon wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Eric Weisberg wrote:
The
Domain Name Rights Coalition was thrown off the IFWP steering committee because
it was not incorporated despite the fact that it was an organizer of the
"entity." We did not like that exercise
At 12:14 AM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
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At 04:21 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
On Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 12:23:32PM -0500, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
Why are we getting all that header stuff?
Because it's enough of a pain to forward stuff that bounces as it
is and I'm too lazy to edit them out.
It would be easy enough to configure
Any time you folks want to inherit the ORSC moderation and rules
just holler. I suggest using existing ORSC moderators for now
until some other 3 suck^H^H^H^Hvolunteers step forward.
At 10:13 PM 2/14/99 -0500, Bob Allisat wrote:
Dyson wrote:
Believe me, we'd be thrilled to have individual
At 02:53 PM 1/6/99 -0800, Frank Rizzo wrote:
Everyone who posts, at least from time to time contributes something which
I file away. Indeed, I will admit - sometimes I miss Jim Fleming...
Where is Jim Fleming? I miss him too.
Remember, Jim called it. This is all a waste of time. 4 years
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Which is exactly why pseudo.org may lose
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How long till the rest of eDNS is (re)discovered ??
At 12:44 PM 2/20/99 -0600, David Schutt wrote:
Yes! The Good Netkeeping (tm) seal of approval!
Voluntary adherence to standards is an excellent way of offering consumers
choice, and allowing for the evolution of the market.
David Schutt
Jeff was met with great cheers when he joined the remaining members of the Grateful
Dead for a rousing rendition of America the Beautiful.
I understand they actually sang a song that starts:
"If I had a gun,
for every ace I'd drawn.
I could own a town,
the size of Abilene...
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At 12:07 PM 2/25/99 -0500, Jay Fenello wrote:
At 2/25/99, 03:16 AM, Einar Stefferud wrote:
I fully agree with Dan and Ellen, and I propose that someone collect
all these process comments toether and grop them as a digest into all
the ICANN comments lists.
I like this idea ;-)
Richard, can we
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David, you want to know what this is all about? If you didn't know this
already, remember the source of Kent's
At 08:40 AM 2/26/99 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
NSI chose to fund people who are vigorous opponents to proposals on the
table.
I'm a little confused here Dave, NSI sent me to Singapore and Geneva;
what proposal on the table was I antagonistic of? Jon's plan ?
Would if be fair to say you wre
Dave;
Of course people opposed IAHC; lots of them did a lot of people
thought it was a really bad plan to the point of thinking it
was the worst thing that could ever happen to the Internet
including your former boss and the guy that invented the DNS.
There were other plans to expand the DNS,
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At 12:54 AM 1/9/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote:
Christopher Ambler a écrit:
I would like to formally request that Jay Fenello be placed on
the drafting committee as a representative of ORSC (one of
the groups that gave, as the DNSO posting indicated,
"substantive comments.").
I formally
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Having missed about a months discussion on the IFWP list the
threatening
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A s p e n I n s t i t u t e I n t e r n e t P o l i c y P r o j e c t
March 1, 1999
To: Various DNS-related
Before I even got a copy of the announcement I got this from a friend
at a company that sells a versionod UNIX.:
Subject: Re: Announcement from Singapore Meetings - Governments Endorse Private
Sector Internet
Aggh! The end of the Internet as we know it! Time to dump those Yahoo
shares.
We're
A few TLDs, including .EXAMPLE will be forever locked up and
be prevented form use anywhere is this draft is approved.
Most of the tlds in this draft I can find no great commercial
use for, but .EXAMPLE might be commercially viable and
may serve a greater purpose than as just an exmaple TLD
in
At 10:24 AM 3/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
The following document was adopted by the ICANN Board:
And, of course, being a transparent, accountable entity, we know who on
the ICANN board voted for and who against. And we have the minutes of the
debate.
Don't we?
You forgot to add:
'Try
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Subject: Re: WIPO's DNS comment period has been extended.
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:29:37
At 02:15 AM 1/9/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote:
You're not worth arguing with, William Walsh. You're a poor human being with
no honesty, no morals, no common sense, nothing but your own greed and
jealosy of others. I'm amazed that you dare show your face on these lists
after having been exposed
At 02:36 AM 1/9/99 -0500, Marc Hurst wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
Isn't this going a bit too far ?
Last night I met with Jay Fenello. Nobody was told,
nobody could show up unless they stumbled across us.
Secret. Closed. Evil.
Wow...
Tressa? Richard? You had Jay
At 07:32 AM 1/9/99 -0500, you wrote:
Richard J. Sexton a écrit:
You should apologize.
I should apologize to William Walsh, after the way he attacks every message
I send regardless of what it says, just because he's afraid of the
"customers" having any say in the Internet
At 07:37 AM 1/9/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote:
Richard J. Sexton a écrit:
At 02:09 AM 1/9/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote:
That meeting you're going to is the real meeting, from which the opposition
is being excluded. The one the next day is the window dressing. You and the
ORSC are going
You don't need live audio and video to meet online, and yes there
are better things than IRC and ICQ and net meeting.
At 05:55 PM 1/9/99 -0500, Dave Farber wrote:
At 05:21 PM 1/9/99 -0500, Dave Crocker wrote:
At 04:49 PM 1/9/99 -0500, Dave Farber wrote:
I have stayed out of this for a while
Would .il be a c-cctld? (that's getting silly)
http://www.isoc.org.il/domains/
Love the bit about ISP's being licensed by the
Ministry of Communication. Shee... uh, oy!
--
"To find out what your opponent is up to, look at what he
says about you" - unknown
At 01:44 PM 1/10/99 -0500, Martin B. Schwimmer wrote:
After all, Ms. Dyson's article on the Grateful Dead model of intellectual
property management proves that she will never sell out the Internet to
trademark interests.
Have you read the section on net domain names in her latest book ?
While
At 01:37 PM 1/10/99 -0800, you wrote:
Richard Sexton Said...
I do not speak or ORSC here, but as a member of a group of people
who have had TLD registries ready and waiting for years now, and
at this point feel like Indians in early North America. We have things
we've built and along come a bunch
At 04:25 PM 1/10/99 -0800, you wrote:
Michael Sondow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who's fault is all this? Again, Stef's probably right in pointing to
ICANN. It's this competition for applications, this beauty contest
that's been set up, where everyone thinks that if they can knock out
their
You don't know the Berkmann centre folks very well bob. As usual
you're "shoot anythng that moves" style is castigating the wrong
people.
The Berkmann centre is about your only friend in this mess.
But don't let that stop you, rail on with your superficial analyses;
I've forgotten a few of the
At 02:51 PM 1/10/99 -0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
At 03:14 PM 1/9/99 -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
I've used Internet video conferencing with a few thousand folks. Audio got
me even more, on the same bandwidth. If you run a send-only mutli-cast feed
for video and two-way Internet phone you
At 07:28 PM 1/10/99 -0800, you wrote:
More of my bad memory again, shoot. Also, I have key sigs that are that
painful, I'm glad that I'm a guitarist, not a keyboard player.
So are we.
Richard Sexton
Soprano Sax.
--
"To find out what your opponent is up to, look at what he
says about you" -
At 10:35 PM 1/10/99 -0500, Dan Steinberg wrote:
Additional clarification: "Take Five" was written by Paul Desmond, a
sax player. It can be played comfortably (providing you have the
requisite keytboard technique) in almost any key.
Yeah, but the catchy part you hum to yoruself is the sax,
not
We seem to have came to a consensus on the ORSC list that a meetng that affects
public policy should be open to the public.
At 11:48 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote:
Dave Farber is absolutely correct Esther. Your reply to Jeff below shows
that up to this point you simply have not heard
At 10:27 AM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
"Richard J. Sexton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there consensus that the IFWP list should have some sort of
rule structure that cuts down on the crap ?
I don't know that I want to be in the business of deciding (for others)
what's "crap&
See below.
At 10:03 AM 1/11/99 -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
Charlie's observation at the Boston ICANN meeting was that the ICANN
board, coming from the corporate world, did now know how to operate
in an open environment.
I love transcripts
At 07:19 PM 1/11/99 -0500, Martin B. Schwimmer wrote:
p.s. the present draft allows an entity to belong to as many groups as it
meets the qualifications for (and pays the fees for).
What's that called? The "capture clause" ?
--
"To find out what your opponent is up to, look at what he
says
At 04:06 AM 1/12/99 +, jeff Williams wrote:
Roeland and all,
Why don't you guys take this musical stuff offlist, ok?
Everyones a critic :-) You'd think he'd heard us play or something...
--
"To find out what your opponent is up to, look at what he
says about you" - unknown
At 07:41 AM 1/12/99 -0500, Ken Stubbs wrote:
mmm.. maybe paul desmond lives close by the d.c. area as well ( i am
assuming he is still alive...?)
He died a long time ago of lung cancer.
a little smooth alto sax is very soothing for the soul..
Any sax is good sax.
--
"To find out what your
Whats the saying ? 'The sheer length of this document will prevent anybody
from eevr reading it' ?
Please trim included material to a minimum. It's the only polite
thing to do.
At 02:36 AM 1/12/99 -0500, Ronda Hauben wrote:
Jonathan Zittrain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from exercising their
At 08:59 AM 1/12/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote:
"Richard J. Sexton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2) I can't for the life of me imagine why a server at Berkman
wuld be "hard to configure to". Sounds like pilot error to me
but I note you have no problems handling mailing lists.
If you'
At 09:36 AM 1/12/99 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote:
Ms Burr:
I must protest this proposed teleconference (see below) with "ORSC
folks". This is a matter some importance, and of wide interest to
many people. Privileged, closed access for the ORSC is simply not
fair to all these other interested
It's like Vietnam. We've got to kick ourselves in the * before
we realize we've been wrong. Once politicians and lawyers get their
hooks in, there's only one way things can go: legislation and
constraint. Regulation.
Regulation didn't stop the war, acid did.
What happened to the White
At 05:25 PM 3/23/99 +0200, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Richard J. Sexton" writes:
What happened to the White Paper and Internet self-regulation? A
fairytale for the IFWP.
Ah. The McGovern campaign of the DNS.
Actually, you guys did it yourself
At 04:01 PM 3/23/99 +0100, Dave Crocker wrote:
At 11:20 PM 3/22/99 -0500, A.M. Rutkowski wrote:
continuum. The InterNIC today is about as relevant as the
NSFNet backbone. They both hail from the same era.
So, the fact that it is old means that it is irrelevant.
Interesting logic, since TCP
We can still afford to take you to dinner
again Patrick :^)
Woah! What was this never disclosed, Patrick.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Those who give up a little freedom for a little security
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one"
--Thomas Jefferson
At 02:03 PM 3/26/99 +0100, you wrote:
The one and only Bob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
Ivan Pope wrote:
Am I allowed to disclose discussions with Bob, Gabe and Don which
were, to say the least, surprising to me at the time?
Am I allowed to disclose a document that Bob sent to me?
Don't
LEEDS - This morning Cyber-Rights Cyber-Liberties (UK) criticised
a High Court ruling involving liability for defamatory statements made
by a third party against Demon Internet.
Demon Internet, a major UK ISP is more likely to be found liable for
defamation in a case against Dr. Laurence
At 05:35 PM 3/26/99 -0800, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
At 06:30 PM 3/26/99 -0500, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
"Richard J. Sexton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cute Richard grin. When did this TLD come up?
About 3 years ago. I noticed, after having run mailing lists for
over a decade now, that pe
to this from a couple of days ago:
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:11:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Tim Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Richard J. Sexton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: cybercops
Well,
I can assure yo
This is why you can't get mail here:
http://www.vrx.net/richard/HELO-bug.html
At 06:43 AM 3/28/99 MST, you wrote:
Hi Richard,
Thanks for your message.
I got correct instructions on lists.ifwp.org,
but I am not being able to send sub/unsub
requests because of a misconfigured mail server
at
At 11:30 PM 3/29/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote:
At 01:21 AM 3/21/99 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:
As you can see from this sample of a post to the Isp-Webhosting list (and
significant discussion is also on-going on the Isp-Tech and other related
lists) that ISPs are seriously and significantly
Nobody says you have to send me email.
If you do, my signature file has addresses that will work for you.
At 06:54 PM 3/30/99 -0800, Greg Skinner wrote:
Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
I AM COMPLAINING THAT I DO NOT WANT TO REACH THESE ADDRESSES AND I
DON`T WANT TO BE
At 07:33 AM 3/31/99 +0200, you wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
Nobody says you have to send me email.
That's patently not what we are talking about.
I guess I don't understand then. How does my use of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
affect you if you don't accidentally try to send
At 08:43 AM 3/31/99 -0600, you wrote:
..per, a source of domain name to IP address resolution *service*.
What is domain name resolution service? Computers connected to the Internet
that will answer a question (query).
How is the source of this service identified? Why, as .per, of course.
Seems
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