Dr. Marion Ceruti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
++Mostly we use what it is available at the time when we need a string.
That means Aquila or Pyramid. Do you know of a better source?
I play with both of them, I happen to be content with them.
Don't use overspun octaves, is first. Gut,
Mathias,
Yes I agree with everything you said. I use those Saverz copper wound
basses with nylgut octaves. I am anxious to try Mimmo's type ' D
fundamental, made for 13 course lutes. Have you tried them yet?
Not to beat a dead horse, but after about 300 years of lute making
tradition using
. Michael has made a bit of a treatise on the Chinese lute - but at
the same time many on this list have said my flat back isn't a lute. No
problem there, just approaching etymology from the front end
The Chinese and Tibetan lutes both have pair shaped bodies with long
necks, with goat skin
Indians, Persians (and Greeks) all belong to the Indo-European group
commonly known as Aryan. Their cradle is in southern
Siberia/Kazakhstan/eastern China. There are grounds for suspicion that these
people might be responsible for spreading their proto-lutes in all available
directions.
RT
Mathias,
Yes I agree with everything you said. I use those Saverz copper wound
basses with nylgut octaves. I am anxious to try Mimmo's type ' D
fundamental, made for 13 course lutes. Have you tried them yet?
no, not yet. What is the particular feature of those D fundamentals?
I
Not necessarily. Mediterranean basin had its own lutes very early, way
before there was any contact with the Far East.
RT
I think we have to rethink this whole concept of one particular time and
place where East meets West. For instance. We are taught to believe that
during Christ's lifetime
Roman Turovsky mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
brought back with him the Buddhist traditions of a monastatic order
and compassion, which took hold centuries later in Christendom.
I do not recall the Redeemer advocating monasticism, but Mathias will surely
clarify the issue.
not exactly
Une jeune fillette used to be Une jeune nonette... But the religious
implications of the song are neither catholic nor orthodox, and
definitely not puritan. The tune lasted a remarkable hundred and some
years. One version of the song is found in Besard's Thesaurus harmonicus.
Alain
Sean Smith
we sing this as la monica.
in case you haven't already done so, a little info.
can be found on this site:
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mmc/monica.html
- bill
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Could someone post, send or point me in the right
direction for finding
one of the
There where
well establish trade routes from India to the middle east. There is some
pretty convincing evidence that Christ traveled to India at that time, and
That Gospel Vindaloo theory doesn't hold lassi, I'm afraid.
You couldn't have made my point any better. Most westernly
Most country's and well established cultures have a musical
instrument associated with it... US of A a steel string guitar, Middle
east , the Oud, India a sitar, Germany a 13 course lute, France an 11
course lute, Italy a 6 course lute, Spain a Spanish guitar, and through the
Gypsy's ( of
Roman and Mathias,
I am only aware of two major religions in the world that have a monastic
order, the question is simple ... who came first?
Or was it spontaneous combustion?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Most country's and well established cultures have a musical
instrument associated with it... US of A a steel string guitar, Middle
east , the Oud, India a sitar, Germany a 13 course lute, France an 11
course lute, Italy a 6 course lute, Spain a Spanish guitar, and through
the
Gypsy's ( of
There where
well establish trade routes from India to the middle east. There is some
pretty convincing evidence that Christ traveled to India at that time,
and
That Gospel Vindaloo theory doesn't hold lassi, I'm afraid.
Roman, another puzzle for you to ponder in your dismissal of
All religions include people who practice contemplation as a
lifestyle. Monastic life is most well organized among the
Christians and the Buddhists. The Muslims and Jews
have kept these practices relatively hidden for various
reasons. The Hindus and Sikhs have a many relatively
small groups that
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Roman Turovsky wrote:
The newest installment, #63 in the Sarmaticae series, is dedicated to Arto
Wikla, may his bottle of Finlandia always be half-full.
http://polyhymnion.org/torban/torban4.html
Thank you Roman, I take that as a compliment!
Arto
To get on or off
I am only aware of two major religions in the world that have a monastic
order
there is still another, i. e. the Shiite part of the world of Islam,
which has quite a few orders (from several very ancient Darwish orders
to little extremist orders like Naqshibandy)
the question is simple
Dr. Marion Ceruti mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
All religions include people who practice contemplation as a lifestyle.
that certainly depends on what qualifies as contemplation. Five minutes
remembering per day enough?
The Muslims and Jews have kept these practices relatively hidden for
I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if there is any evidence -
let alone convincing - that Jesus travelled to India, but we do know
that the Greeks went there a few centuries earlier (at the time of
Aristotle) and even stayed quite a while, after the medical luminaries
of the time
Actually, it even looks like the Arabs may have invented tablature: look
at http://trumpet.sdsu.edu/M345/Arab_Music1.html - apparently quite an
excellent site:
Here is the bit about tablature:
An early contributor was Ibn al Munajjim (died 912) who left us a
description of an established
Alain,
I appreciate your input and logical perspective.
I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if there is any evidence -
let alone convincing - that Jesus traveled to India
Let me say firstly, that I read, write and speak to a small degree
Tibetan. I've taught Tibetan at
Alain Veylit mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if there is any evidence -
let alone convincing - that Jesus travelled to India
that rumour was brought up by the Ahmadiya sect during the 19th century.
They had him travel to the region of Cashmere
There is a Buddhist monastery in Laddak near the Kashmir valley in north
India with the entire life of Christ written in Tibetan
the entire life of Christ, then, must be the text of a Gospel? I know no
other narrative that contains Christ's life, but perhaps you do? I
wonder how they
i thought it was thomas who made it to india -
probably brought his uke.
- bill
--- Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alain,
I appreciate your input and logical perspective.
I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if
there is any evidence -
let alone convincing - that
I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if there is any evidence -
let alone convincing - that Jesus travelled to India, but we do know
that the Greeks went there a few centuries earlier (at the time of
Aristotle) and even stayed quite a while, after the medical luminaries
of the time
Actually, it even looks like the Arabs may have invented tablature: look
at http://trumpet.sdsu.edu/M345/Arab_Music1.html -
The 10th century Iraqi vessel actually depicts a dutar (a proto-kobza),
rather than an oud, and the musicial has mongoloid features, he could easily
be a Seljuk, Turkmen
i thought it was thomas who made it to india -
probably brought his uke.
- bill
Did Juerg Meili go with him?
RT
--- Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alain,
I appreciate your input and logical perspective.
I am a bit lost in this thread: I don't know if
there is any
The newest installment, #63 in the Sarmaticae series, is dedicated to Arto
Wikla, may his bottle of Finlandia always be half-full.
http://polyhymnion.org/torban/torban4.html
Thank you Roman, I take that as a compliment!
Arto
Don't lose your vigilance.
RT
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This is thinking within the box, with all due respect. This is western
mans perspective isn't it? That monasteries evolved out of a material
benefit, rather than spiritual benefit.
To think that a culture ( India) that all of Europe and the rest of the
world was seeking desperately to do
I am tempted to think that, while there is clear and documented evidence
of Greek influence on Buddhist art and civilization in Northern India,
very little went the other way, not because the Indians were not
civilized,
There is absolutely no reason to pursue anything cultural after a pair or
Well, the advantage of that thread is that I learned a few things about
the oud and even the Indian sitar, a late invention apparently, modelled
after the persian sehtar barely a couple of hundred years ago.
But from all other possible instruments, the one the closest to the
renaissance lute is
It started with eremites in 3rd century Egypt, as I said. In 527,
Benedict of Nursia wrote his famous rule which emperor Charles the Great
(ca. 800 CE) made a general rule for all monastries in his realm (with
St Gallen as a master copy for monastic buildings
Funny this all happened
i thought it was thomas who made it to india -
probably brought his uke.
- bill
Yes, this could have been the beginning of it all, and the original
source for the MS of Weiss # 69 tip toe threw the tulips
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: bill
Not totally completely. I actually met a russophone descendant of Macedon
a
few years ago. Their language has quite a few Greek words.
I live a days drive from the Hopi Indian res. I have visited there a
few times and I'm totally amazed at the remarkable simalarities of the
Tibetan language
i thought it was thomas who made it to india -
probably brought his uke.
- bill
Did Juerg Meili go with him?
Who the hell is Muerg Jeili?
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL
western legends have Thomas travel to India, and Indian Christian
traditions claims the same. Which by no means is a guarantee that this
is historically documented.
I have a very good friend who happens to be East Indian, and is a Captain
for Singapore Airlines. He and his entire family are
i thought it was thomas who made it to india -
probably brought his uke.
- bill
Did Juerg Meili go with him?
Who the hell is Muerg Jeili?
Michael Thames
Juerg Meili is Thomas' duet partner.
RT
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This is thinking within the box, with all due respect. This is western
mans perspective isn't it? That monasteries evolved out of a material
benefit, rather than spiritual benefit.
To think that a culture ( India) that all of Europe and the rest of the
world was seeking desperately to do
I have a very good friend who happens to be East Indian, and is a Captain
for Singapore Airlines. He and his entire family are Christians from
southern India that go back for generations.
Evangelical missionaries have been active in Kerala for a few centuries.
RT
Yea, what else is new!
that is what some Buddhist teachers said, indeed, but much later, i.e.
during the 19th century when some single Lamas read the Gospel according
to Matthew (particularly the sermon on the mountain) for the first
time.
I know many Lamas, believe me, none of them have any interest in reading
I know many Lamas, believe me, none of them have any interest in reading
the gospel according to Mathew.
They make good pets, but chew up tabulatures.
RT
Only, if your orientation points to the South.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
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From:
beginning of a word. In txt-format, Greek characters are not possible,
so the spiritus has to be transcribed, and there you are: halieutika,
fishing tools.
Well said Mathias,
Thank you. I confess that my studies of the Greek language were many years
ago, so I didn't have the word for that
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