[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Tristan von Neumann
You are missing the point. You are talking to the few hundred people on Earth who play old lute pieces... Imagine Average Joe of today with a score of a Beatles song. Yeah. On 05.06.20 18:23, G. C. wrote: So people on this list, are playing Renaissance and Baroque music

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Ralf Mattes
>>Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but > > c.1630 > > >- > > >>1682 > > >>>may be a reasonable estimate. The inclusion of works for > > lute > > >by > > >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
n my view, it's unsurprising that a few >>pieces >>>for >>>>solo instruments by various unidentified tiorba players, as >>well >>>as >>>>famed players such as

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread G. C.
So people on this list, are playing Renaissance and Baroque music because they have the records? H G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Tristan von Neumann
If we didn't have recordings, people would have to play them on instruments... I think many of those songs would have disappeared already... On 05.06.20 18:03, G. C. wrote: What are 80 years? We are still enjoying playing and listening to Beatles and Stones music, near 60 years

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread G. C.
What are 80 years? We are still enjoying playing and listening to Beatles and Stones music, near 60 years old. And even older Jazz music. Why would people in the 17th century have been any different? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Monica Hall
ation. > >>>The tiorba was, of course, a widely employed instrument for > >>continuo in > >>>this period and, in my view, it's unsurprising that a few > >pieces > >>for > >>>

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Freitag, 05. Juni 2020 12:27 CEST, Monica Hall schrieb: > To be honest I don't think it is the usual classic scholarly course to > attempt to date a source by its contents and style. Someone on an earlier > occasion on the list commented That's what I just wanted to reply as well. >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
>collections >>from >>>time to time. >>>Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de >Angelin de >>>Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Monica Hall
i, shouldn't turn up in >collections >>from >>>time to time. >>>Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de >Angelin de >>>Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
>similar word association. >>regards, >>Martyn >> >>On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes >><[2][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote: >> While the unascribed pie

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Ralf Mattes
M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation >around >>similar word association. >>regards, >>Martyn >> >>On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes >><[2]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote: >

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Freitag, 05. Juni 2020 10:16 CEST, Martyn Hodgson schrieb: [...] >Note the tiorba works are copied from the last leaf of the book going >forwards No - the book was started with the theorbo pieces and then someone continued with the baroque pieces from the end of th

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
ursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes ><[2]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote: > While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they surely play >and > sound like Bartolotti. > Is there any other theorbo player from t

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Monica Hall
> >> Original message >>From: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> >>Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21 >>To: [5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList ><[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall &

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Petrus Paulus Maria Steur
Roland Hayes <[8][11]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo > > ?space?-- Dear Roland, Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but c.1630 - 1682 may be a reasonab

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
LuteList <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, Roland Hayes <[8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo > >?space?-- Dear Roland, Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at p

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Monica Hall
> > Sent from my Huawei phone > > > Original message > From: Martyn Hodgson > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21 > To: yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList , Monica Hall > , Roland Hayes > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti m

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Monica Hall
someone else, they surely play >and > sound like Bartolotti. > Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know of, who > could match the style and technique of these pieces? > r > Get [1]Outlook for Android >_

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
else, they surely play and sound like Bartolotti. Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know of, who could match the style and technique of these pieces? r Get [1]Outlook for Android

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-04 Thread Roland Hayes
While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they surely play and sound like Bartolotti. Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know of, who could match the style and technique of these pieces? r Get [1]Outlook for Android

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-04 Thread Monica Hall
lature III/1, S. 121-125 (he > doesn't give any information on the other theorbo pieces, but I > apparently in the lute part of the mansucript there's a piece by > "Angelin de Rome" which Meyer supposed to identify as Bartolotti as > well. And also there you'll find a l

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-04 Thread yuval . dvoran
Maybe it's worth to take a look on some of the literature? There is: Boetticher: RISM B VII, p. 351-352 (rather useless, but he gives a bunch of literature which I don't know) Meyer (ed.): Sources Manuscrites en Tablature III/1, S. 121-125 (he doesn't give any information on the other theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-04 Thread Monica Hall
;Martyn > >On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 09:56:59 BST, Monica Hall > wrote: >Ms. 17706 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna includes 10 pieces >for theorbo usually attributed to Bartolotti. The Allemanda on f.92r is >attributed to Angelo Michiele. Does

[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
for tiorba (ie from 92 to 89) do not have the attribution to AM might suggest they're not by him, but regards, Martyn On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 09:56:59 BST, Monica Hall wrote: Ms. 17706 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna includes 10 pieces for theorbo usually

[LUTE] Bartolotti music for theorbo

2020-06-04 Thread Monica Hall
Ms. 17706 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna includes 10 pieces for theorbo usually attributed to Bartolotti. The Allemanda on f.92r is attributed to Angelo Michiele. Does anyone know on what grounds the other nine pieces are attributed to Bartolotti? Thanks Monica -- To get

[LUTE] Re: Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute

2020-05-03 Thread George Arndt
-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of David van Ooijen Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 4:48 AM Cc: Lute Dmth Subject: [LUTE] Re: Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute >> I can use plain gut for the strings that go up to 100 cm, but

[LUTE] Re: Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute

2020-05-03 Thread David van Ooijen
extant up to around 76cm which, of course, need to be tuned at a very low pitch to bring the first course up to nominal f'. In short the baroque lute and the double re-entrant Italian theorbo are two entirely different, and different sizes of, instrum

[LUTE] Re: Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute

2020-05-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
course up to nominal f'. In short the baroque lute and the double re-entrant Italian theorbo are two entirely different, and different sizes of, instruments and must necessarily needs be configured in wholly different ways. regards Martyn On Sunday, 3 May 2020, 08:52:56 BST, Jay F

[LUTE] Re: Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute

2020-05-03 Thread Martin Shepherd
, any string material breaks at the same pitch regardless of its diameter. The English theorbo (e.g. Mace) has double strings throughout, so even the longest basses will have an octave to brighten the sound. Martin On 03/05/2020 09:15, Jay F. wrote

[LUTE] Strings for an English theorbo set up as a baroque lute

2020-05-03 Thread Jay F.
--_000_SLXP216MB06062449066C97A5A0E285FDCBA90SLXP216MB0606KORP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I'm considering doing something a bit crazy and getting a 14 course English theorbo, albeit one strung in D minor as

[LUTE] [Lute] Most Complex Slide Rule for Composing on Theorbo

2020-04-08 Thread Mustafa Umut Sarac
Hello there, I wish you the best of luck in these corona virus lock in. I am new to sliderules and I want to ask that is thre a slide rule for composing music on theorbo ? This is hit and miss question and I am beting my chance, Thank you very much, Mustafa Umut Sarac

[LUTE] HOMEWARD For Theorbo Composed By Gilbert Isbin

2020-02-21 Thread Gilbert Isbin
[1]https://youtu.be/d2cg_qs4T98 With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://youtu.be/d2cg_qs4T98 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3.

[LUTE] PARTIR For Theorbo

2020-02-15 Thread Gilbert Isbin
[1]https://youtu.be/vBSKVaWcS5o With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://youtu.be/vBSKVaWcS5o 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3.

[LUTE] Re: A historical Ukrainian ballad for Theorbo

2020-01-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
Premiered by Francesco Motta! - https://youtu.be/GUpC2dSz2X4 Amities, RT On 12/29/2019 9:58 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: [1]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theorbo/images/guktheorbo-E.mp3 [2]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theorbo/images/guktheorbo-E.pdf Still warm, for your perusal

[LUTE] BY STARLIGHT For Theorbo

2020-01-05 Thread Gilbert Isbin
[1]https://youtu.be/ikhQ3l1hsJE With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://youtu.be/ikhQ3l1hsJE 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3.

[LUTE] A historical Ukrainian ballad for Theorbo

2019-12-29 Thread Roman Turovsky
[1]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theorbo/images/guktheorbo-E.mp3 [2]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theorbo/images/guktheorbo-E.pdf Still warm, for your perusal and delectation! Met vriendelijke groeten, RT -- References 1. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theorbo/images/guktheorbo

[LUTE] WILLOW SONG For Theorbo

2019-12-29 Thread Gilbert Isbin
[1]https://youtu.be/mmAKUq_LB_w With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://youtu.be/mmAKUq_LB_w 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3.

[LUTE] YOU GOT ME DREAMING For Theorbo

2019-12-26 Thread Gilbert Isbin
[1]https://youtu.be/PG--hFm2pHg With kind regards, Met vriendelijke groeten, Bien cordialement, Gilbert Isbin [2]www.gilbertisbin.com [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com -- References 1. https://youtu.be/PG--hFm2pHg 2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/ 3.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Ask about theorbo long neck wood

2019-12-03 Thread Jarosław Czaplicki
Dear all, Sometimes I'm thinking about making my dreaming theorbo but I don't know if it would be better to start with building baroque lute. Its possible to making the long neck theorbo from two piece of wood? I'm worried about can't find long enough piece of wood such as maple

[LUTE] Theorbo?

2019-10-20 Thread Wolfgang
I own a Theorbo-like lute from Herb. It has 1 single and 5 double strings on the fretboard (68cm) + 8 single open strings (144cm). What would be the tuning for this instrument (it seems to be too long for archlute and too short for theorbo. Wolfgang To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] stolen theorbo

2019-10-13 Thread wayne lute
A Matthew Durvie theorbo was stolen from Dr. Gregory Hamilton oct. 8th in Irving Texas. you can contact him at 8325450900 Wayne -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] theorbo gone

2019-09-28 Thread Elliott Chapin
bittersweet, thanks and regrets -- elliottchapin.com/me gon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Ornament in Hurel's Theorbo Music

2019-09-28 Thread Christopher Wilke
or horizontal line under a note, symbol in Hurel's theorbo music? For example in the Allemande Gigue in G on page 19: First line, last measure d 2nd line, first measure d Thanks, John  To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http

[LUTE] Ornament in Hurel's Theorbo Music

2019-09-28 Thread John Trout
Dear Lute list members, Does anyone know the meaning of the underlined or horizontal line under a note, symbol in Hurel's theorbo music? For example in the Allemande Gigue in G on page 19: First line, last measure d 2nd line, first measure d Thanks, John  To get on or off

[LUTE] Michael Schreiner theorbo

2019-09-27 Thread Elliott Chapin
I need to keep things simple: no refund, no shipping worries, etc. You really have to see it for yourself before putting down your money. Forwarded Message Subject: Fwd: [LUTE] Michael Schreiner theorbo Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:18:20 -0400 From: Elliott

[LUTE] Michael Schreiner theorbo

2019-09-27 Thread Elliott Chapin
theorbo, and it is now available - playable but could use some work. Details available; I live in Toronto. -- elliottchapin.com/me To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:echa...@teksavvy.com

[LUTE] Michael Schreiner theorbo

2019-09-27 Thread Elliott Chapin
I have been reducing the scope of my musical activities. I commissioned Michael's first theorbo, and it is now available - playable but could use some work. Details available; I live in Toronto. -- elliottchapin.com/me; To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread David Van Edwards
ember correctly) and of course attributes the idea to S. L. Weiss. Despite what some lutemakers seem to like, I wouldn't define the swan neck baroque lute as a "theorbo": it introduces much confusion in a field where we do not need to add more, I believe. Attivato Sun, 18 A

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread Luca Manassero
if it was stated earlier, but actually Campion makes his teacher Maltot (who is, apart from the appearance in Campion's treatise, completely unknown) responsible for having invented the theorbo with 8 strings/courses on the fretboard, most possibly resulting from the invention of wound strings

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread Luca Manassero
"theorbieret" (if I remember correctly) and of course attributes the idea to S. L. Weiss. Despite what some lutemakers seem to like, I wouldn't define the swan neck baroque lute as a "theorbo": it introduces much confusion in a field where we do not need to add more, I be

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread howard posner
ulting from a conversion possibly > by Fux though 1696 is a bit early unless it was > then intended as an angelique.Neither are what we > would nowadays call a theorbo, though of course > the term was in use then for such instuments. And with fingerboard lengths in the eighties,

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread David Van Edwards
it was then intended as an angelique.Neither are what we would nowadays call a theorbo, though of course the term was in use then for such instuments. Best wishes, David At 13:37 -0700 18/8/19, howard posner wrote: > On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Van Edwards wr

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Van Edwards > wrote: > > There are of course several luiti attiorbati in > Paris with 7 fingered courses but one of them > looks a bit theorbo-ish and might be the one > you're thinking of. It's anonymous E.25 (C228) 13 >

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread magnus andersson
agree (as you may have noticed from my remark about all these theorbos showing 8 fretted single courses...) I think I saw the seven course Koch theorbo in Berlin, being now nearly ein Berliner, I went more than a couple of times to that small, but interesting museum

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luca, Magnus and Howard, There are of course several luiti attiorbati in Paris with 7 fingered courses but one of them looks a bit theorbo-ish and might be the one you're thinking of. It's anonymous E.25 (C228) 13 courses 1x1, 6x2 @ 710mm + 6x2 @ 1090. Joël's catalogue thinks

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread Yuval Dvoran
I'm not sure if it was stated earlier, but actually Campion makes his teacher Maltot (who is, apart from the appearance in Campion's treatise, completely unknown) responsible for having invented the theorbo with 8 strings/courses on the fretboard, most possibly resulting from the invention

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread Luca Manassero
Dear Magnus, thank you for all these interesting points. Personally, I fully agree (as you may have noticed from my remark about all these theorbos showing 8 fretted single courses...) I think I saw the seven course Koch theorbo in Berlin, being now nearly ein Berliner, I

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-18 Thread magnus andersson
nt by Koch and the Schelle in Nuremberg to have more than 6 courses on the fingerboard. To my knowledge: there is zero extant solo (French/Italian) music written for a theorbo with more than 6 courses on the fingerboard- ranging from Kapsperger to Robert de Visée. All extant theorbo continu

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread howard posner
ost all chitarroni with 8x1 fretted strings?? A modern theorbo player plays a wider variety of music than an Italian player in 1660 or a French player in 1700 would have played, and thus needs either to haul more than one theorbo around or have an instrument configured to be as versatile as poss

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Galleria Armonica, Catalogo del Museo degli strumenti musicali di Roma, Roma 1994, pp. 297-299 from where I got my photos. Best wishes, David At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote: > Dear common wisdom, > seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread Davide Rebuffa
Dear Luca, That theorbo could likely had been built by Pietro’s son Giovanni (Zuane) Giovanni Railich, son of Pietro, almost never used his own fire mark. Apart from a colascione (Collezione Correr, Venice) signed Giovanni Railich / Lautaro in Padova, all the instruments built

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread Luca Manassero
, Catalogo del Museo degli strumenti musicali di Roma, Roma 1994, pp. 297-299 from where I got my photos. Best wishes, David At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote: > Dear common wisdom, > seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German > frien

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Roma, Roma 1994, pp. 297-299 from where I got my photos. Best wishes, David At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote: Dear common wisdom, seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very

[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luca, Here you are! A very nice looking theorbo. Pohlmann says date is 1655 and Toffolo says it's c.1640 (St. Toffolo: Antichi Strumenti Veneziani. Venezia 1987, pp. 57, 221) who knows where the 1702 date comes from in the LSA list, but as there's no label it's all a guess. Best wishes

[LUTE] Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread Luca Manassero
Dear common wisdom, seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew. Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro Raillich in Padova

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-31 Thread David Van Edwards
ce, but used in New France in 17th-18th C. I'm looking for reported lute activity in the New World colonial era. jeff From: Tristan von Neumann Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:34 PM To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc. Just

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-30 Thread Christopher Stetson
cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc. Just to make sure I understood this: You mean lutes built in New France, not imported instruments? :) T* On 30.07.19 19:31, [3]jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > A questionââ¬"mostly likely for luter

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-30 Thread jjnoonan
Not necessarily built in New France, but used in New France in 17th-18th C. I’m looking for reported lute activity in the New World colonial era. jeff From: Tristan von Neumann Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:34 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-30 Thread jjnoonan
Excellent—thanks for the reference—I’ll get on it. jeff From: Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:52 PM To: jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc. there was a study done a while back by Robert Derome

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-30 Thread Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
showed me a reference to a theorbo in the French Caribbean in a (I think) late 17th-c text. I've misplaced the reference and am trying to dig it up again. (If anyone out there knows this source, I'd appreciate your jogging my memory.) There are, of course, references to the

[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-30 Thread Tristan von Neumann
.) of lutes or theorboes in New France (Canada and Western US) in 16th-17th -18thcenturies? Are there any surviving instruments from the period in Canadian museums or collections? A number of years ago, historian colleague showed me a reference to a theorbo in the French Caribbean in a (I think) late

[LUTE] New World lute/theorbo, etc.

2019-07-30 Thread jjnoonan
or collections? A number of years ago, historian colleague showed me a reference to a theorbo in the French Caribbean in a (I think) late 17th-c text. I’ve misplaced the reference and am trying to dig it up again. (If anyone out there knows this source, I’d appreciate your jogging my memory

[LUTE] Re: Vincent Dumestre's theorbo?

2019-05-20 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Éric, The issue with these instruments d'après tableaux de Watteau offered under the name "théorbe de pièces ou angélique" is that they have eight strings on their fretboards. The instrument in Watteau's La Finette has even less, viz. six strings. Surviving music for the angélique requires

[LUTE] Re: Vincent Dumestre's theorbo?

2019-05-11 Thread Mathias Rösel
This portrait shows him with a short, single strung, lutelike theorbo: https://youtu.be/WaRuAuE_x1o Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Tim Miller Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Mai 2019 20:42 An: Lutelist Betreff

[LUTE] Vincent Dumestre's theorbo?

2019-05-11 Thread Tim Miller
Hi all, Does anyone know anything about Vincent Dumestre’s current theorbo? Like a lot of French players (Monteilhet, Belloq, etc.), he’s been using smaller theorbos for a long time, but this one seems to have a flat back and more guitar-like sides. You can see it clearly in some pics

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
From Lynda Sayce: "I suspect all theorbo players are subliminally aware of the heavy key bias in the historic repertory. It rears its head every time we're asked to supply a little link piece for a programme, always in a key in which no theorbo music survives…!

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
No, for English theorbo ! Le 21 avr. 2019 à 16:31, Roman Turovsky <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> a écrit : From Lynda Sayce: "I suspect all theorbo players are subliminally aware of the heavy key bias in the historic repertory. It rears its head every time

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
From Lynda Sayce: "I suspect all theorbo players are subliminally aware of the heavy key bias in the historic repertory. It rears its head every time we're asked to supply a little link piece for a programme, always in a key in which no theorbo music survives…! The (ori

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
[3] > Copie à : > Objet : [LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire > > Dear Roman, > > Not true :) > On the top of my head: > Bartolotti in A- Wn 17706 ( e minor) > De Vis����e in Saizenay ( b minor and e minor)

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-20 Thread Jean-Marie POIRIER
John Wilson has also Voluntaries in these keys ! Jean-Marie > Message du 19/04/19 23:02 > De : "magnus andersson" > A : "Roman Turovsky" , "Lute Net" > Copie à : > Objet : [LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread Alain Veylit
I think someone confused a theorbo with a lute in G... Em and Bm are not friendly keys on a Ren. lute in G. On 4/19/19 6:30 PM, John Trout wrote: Roman, Saizenay has an E minor and B minor suite by de Visee. John On 4/19/19, 4:14 PM, "Roman Turovsky" wrote:

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread John Trout
Roman, Saizenay has an E minor and B minor suite by de Visee. John On 4/19/19, 4:14 PM, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: A question to the collective wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread Mathias Rösel
Does de Visée count (ms. Saizenay)? Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Jerzy Zak Gesendet: Freitag, 19. April 2019 22:43 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire Roman, Kapsperger

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread magnus andersson
wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is that true? RT To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https

[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread Jerzy Zak
This is one of the nicest key on theorbo. No pieces in b-minor in this collection, however. J --- > On 19 Apr 2019, at 22:12, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > A question to the collective wisdom: > Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo > pieces in e-m

[LUTE] theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread Roman Turovsky
A question to the collective wisdom: Someone mentioned to me that there are practically no surviving solo theorbo pieces in e-minor or b-minor. Is that true? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-04-06 Thread Daniel
will need a variable frequency sine wave generator, an amplifier, an audio speaker and some fine sawdust or powdered laundry detergent. Observing Chladni patterns requires a smooth, horizontal flat surface on the object, and on a theorbo neck, that may be only the fingerboard, so slide all the tied

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
t is only 66.7cm. >>>>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >>>>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1][5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-28 Thread Luca Manassero
Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along >>>>> the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck >>>>> that is only 66.7cm. >>>>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >>>>> On Mar 23, 2019,

[LUTE] Re: theorbo music

2019-03-27 Thread Matthew Daillie
from what is rather a large file. Best, Matthew Le 26 mars 2019 à 23:34, jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net a écrit : > Hi, folks— > > I’m trying to track down scores (facsimile or edition) of solo theorbo music > by Etienne Le Moine (seems to be some variety in names—Estienne Lemoyne, > Es

[LUTE] Re: theorbo music

2019-03-27 Thread Matthew Daillie
r edition) of solo theorbo music > by Etienne Le Moine (seems to be some variety in names—Estienne Lemoyne, > Estienne Le Moyne, etc.) > > Appears that he left fewer than 10 pieces and that these all survive in > manuscript. > > I can do the library digging if necessary, b

[LUTE] Re: theorbo music

2019-03-26 Thread yuval . dvoran
, 285 Sarabande, F-Pn Rés. 1106, 21" It's from: https://w1.bnu.fr/smt/index.htm (Sources manuscrit en tabulature) Enjoy! Yuval Am 26.03.2019 23:34 schrieb jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net: Hi, folks— I’m trying to track down scores (facsimile or edition) of solo theorbo music by Etienne Le Mo

[LUTE] theorbo music

2019-03-26 Thread jjnoonan
Hi, folks— I’m trying to track down scores (facsimile or edition) of solo theorbo music by Etienne Le Moine (seems to be some variety in names—Estienne Lemoyne, Estienne Le Moyne, etc.) Appears that he left fewer than 10 pieces and that these all survive in manuscript. I can do

[LUTE] Stand for theorbo/archelute?

2019-03-26 Thread Jörg Hilbert
Dear all, is someone here aware of a good stand for long neck instruments (theorbo, archelute)? Thanks, Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread Howard Posner
t;> sound. Ramirez 1A guitars have a significant graphite-epoxy inset along >>>>> the neck to stiffen it, and that is said to be significant in a neck >>>>> that is only 66.7cm. >>>>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >>>>> On Mar 23,

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
66.7cm. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> wrote: I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread howard posner
and that is said to be significant in a neck >>> that is only 66.7cm. >>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. >>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 2:22 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero &l

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread r . turovsky
gt; wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> >> wrote: >> I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss >> theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss >> built a >>

[LUTE] Re: Heavy theorbo neck

2019-03-23 Thread yuval . dvoran
wrote: On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:43 AM, Luca Manassero <[2]l...@manassero.net> wrote: I‘m about to ask him to rebuild the long neck of my big Hasenfuss theorbo, as the instrument has a fantastic voice, but Hasenfuss built a very heavy long neck, so it is really pai

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