RE: Simple question about tables [OT]

2000-12-05 Thread Rufus . Cable
Sounds like you want a union query... SELECT something, something_else FROM table1 UNION SELECT something, something_else FROM table2 I think some databases are pickier than others about each pair of fields being of the same datatype; Oracle requires each field to return the same number of

Re: mod_perl with threaded Apache (eg Apache2)

2000-12-05 Thread David Hodgkinson
"John K. Sterling" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is doug macEachern's bag - those who were at apachecon in london saw the progress he had made at that point - its pretty sweet. check the archives for summaries of his presentation in late october. Never mind the progress he made _during_

[ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
With a flash of fireworks and champagne I'd like to announce to the world our new mod_perl news and advocacy web site: http://modperl.sergeant.org/ We hope to be able to bring to you all the latest relevant perl news, and articles about mod_perl development and other areas of interest,

crash on connect (DBI/mysql)

2000-12-05 Thread Kraaij, Wessel
I installed the latest version of mod_perl (1.24), linked it statically to apache 1.3.12. (use perl 5.6). I simply want to access a MySQL database via the DBI package (v 1.14). I installed ApacheDBI 0.87 I wrote a simple script to access a mysql database. This script works fine, both from the

ANNOUNCE: lingerd 0.91b

2000-12-05 Thread Roger Espel Llima
This is the first public release of lingerd. You can download it from ftp://iagora.com/pub/software/lingerd/lingerd-0.91b.tar.gz WHAT IS LINGERD? When an Apache process has handled a client connection, and before it can go on to the next one, it must first wait a bit to make sure that the

Re: ANNOUNCE: lingerd 0.91b

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Roger Espel Llima wrote: This is the first public release of lingerd. You can download it from ftp://iagora.com/pub/software/lingerd/lingerd-0.91b.tar.gz WHAT IS LINGERD? When an Apache process has handled a client connection, and before it can go on to the next

Re: crash on connect (DBI/mysql)

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
[DBI script problem skipped] The error_log from Apache shows some problems, which *could* be related to mod_perl [Fri Dec 1 18:47:08 2000] [crit] (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bi nd to port 80 [Fri Dec 1 18:56:06 2000] [crit] (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not

Response time of a perl script!!!

2000-12-05 Thread Edmar Edilton da Silva
Hi folks, I ran a same perl script twice. First time only under mod_perl, and after under mod_perl and Apache::DBI. The response time of both experiments was very different. The last was fastest than the first approximately 20 times. Is it correctly? If the response time of a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!

2000-12-05 Thread Oleg Bartunov
Matt, I know you like modern technologies but your site doesn't like my browser (NS 3.0, Solaris). I got blank screen with 2 popup windows with message "/bin/sh: gzip: not found" Hope you know what does it mean :-) Regards, Oleg On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:

Re: mod_perl with threaded Apache (eg Apache2)

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
Is anyone working on an upgrade to mod_perl to handle Apache 2.0b with thread support? I think some guy who's name is Doug is working on it :) But seriously take a look at: http://perl.apache.org/~dougm/modperl_2.0.html If so, do you want my help? Yes. Join the cvs mailing list (See

Re: Response time of a perl script!!!

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
I ran a same perl script twice. First time only under mod_perl, and after under mod_perl and Apache::DBI. The response time of both experiments was very different. The last was fastest than the first approximately 20 times. Is it correctly? If the response time of a perl script with

RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
Since we have already started working on mod_perl-2.0, I wanted to get in early and provide the base for the one and only source of mod_perl documentation. These are the things that I see important: 1. *All* pods located under one roof. API, Installation, Configuration, Tips, Trick and more.

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: Since we have already started working on mod_perl-2.0, I wanted to get in early and provide the base for the one and only source of mod_perl documentation. These are the things that I see important: 1. *All* pods located under one roof. API,

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Suddenly, Stas Bekman uttered: Since we have already started working on mod_perl-2.0, I wanted to get in early and provide the base for the one and only source of mod_perl documentation. These are the things that I see important: 2. Automatic retrieval of pods sections from .pm files and

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Salve J Nilsen wrote: 3. Automatic generating of html/ps/pdf/other formats. (html/ps/pdf are already working in the guide, other formats to come). I'd _very_much_ like a PDA-version of the guide! It might have to be set up differently (e.g. code snippets presented with

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Suddenly, Matt Sergeant uttered: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Salve J Nilsen wrote: 3. Automatic generating of html/ps/pdf/other formats. (html/ps/pdf are already working in the guide, other formats to come). I'd _very_much_ like a PDA-version of the guide! It might have to be set up

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: Since we have already started working on mod_perl-2.0, I wanted to get in early and provide the base for the one and only source of mod_perl documentation. These are the things that I see important: 1.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!

2000-12-05 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi all, On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Oleg Bartunov wrote: (NS 3.0, Solaris). I got blank screen with 2 popup windows with message "/bin/sh: gzip: not found" Well you can't say I didn't warn you... 73, Ged. - To unsubscribe,

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: I see two main streams: 1) Online zines. I think that we should start working on locating ezines wanting to publish mod_perl related articles (preferrably for a fee, to give incentives for others to write) While I can't offer any money for articles

RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me, I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book, have some rest and make a push to mod_perl. Yesterday I've updated the stats page: http://perl.apache.org/netcraft/ and the results are so-so, we go

Re: ANNOUNCE: lingerd 0.91b

2000-12-05 Thread Roger Espel Llima
Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool! Any benchmarks? The theoretical explanation, is quite good for those who understand the problem, but far from being convincing for those who don't. Yep. Benchmarking with a copy of 'ab' modified to keep the client sockets open for a while (like

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread kevin montuori
Stas Bekman writes: sb Luckily Matt has got sick of waiting for someone to work on the sb advocacy of mod_perl and he has just taken over it. Having a sb good informational site is good, but it's not enough. We need to sb solve the problem of people to find this site and wanting to use

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Michael Nachbaur
I would tend to agree with this on several points, but I have a few things to add (I didn't want this to be a "Me Too!" post.) A lot of the mindshare for this space has been taken over by Java. While some of you out there have actually tried to implement something in Java, then ran screaming

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:49 PM 12/5/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me, I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book, have some rest and make a push to mod_perl. Yesterday I've updated the stats page:

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Wiswell, Virginia
with your hair on fire, others aren't so "Lucky". I've been researching ecommerce and content management solutions for my company (take a guess who), and the Java technologies are *filled* with marketing hype that makes all the business users drool. I almost bought into it completely.

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Jorge Godoy
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Automatic generating of html/ps/pdf/other formats. (html/ps/pdf are already working in the guide, other formats to come). What other formats do you think people want/need? info files would be cool. :-) See you, -- Godoy. [EMAIL

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread martin langhoff
kevin montuori wrote: additionally, i think that some consideration should be given to how mod_perl is packaged. I think it's of crucial importance the fact that a distro as widespread as RHLinux 6.x had mod_perl messed up. That has forced quite a lot of developers that

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread JoshNarins
It'd be nice if there was an equivalent of info's "h"... i.e., an "I've got Linux, what next?" track That might seriously encourage more hobbyists =+ more open source community (is there a way to indicate that the operator should be read backwards?)

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread David Hodgkinson
kevin montuori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: additionally, i think that some consideration should be given to how mod_perl is packaged. although it's well documented (and generally quite simple) there are three kits that need to be compiled (apache, perl, mod_perl)

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread J. J. Horner
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:46:38PM +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote: Maybe Randal's company (which I *think* specializes in training among other things) could help in that area -- the idea of mod_perl certification is more intriguing I think than just plain perl certification. Now this is

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Wiswell, Virginia
how about creating partnerships with companies (o'reilly, red hat, va linux, etc.)? i get email all the time promoting products and if one sounds interesting, i usually follow the link to check it out, especially if it's free and will help me do my job faster and/or better. some press releases to

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Paul
--- Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . I see two main streams: 1) Online zines. 2) Conferences. Apache.org has a whole subsection devoted to mod_perl Any idea what it would take to get a link there from webs like tpj and Perl.com? I was thinking that perl.com has a nice series

RE: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Rufus . Cable
Has anyone tried the Apache Toolbox script at www.apachetoolbox.com ? It's supposed to configure and build Apache and a large number of modules without all the manual configuration. The script is zipped to about 16k - you just downloda that and it's smart enough to fetch the tarballs for each

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread kevin montuori
David Hodgkinson writes: dh Is the RH7.0 installation stable? It comes with everything as a dh DSO and _should_ work... hmmm, if i could get RH7.0 to *install* i could check that out. anaconda (read: python) can't find it's POSIX libs, so the whole thing's a bust from

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: But, you all know that php pretty much takes over. Why? For two reasons: 1) initial corporate pushing (press/ads) 2) once well known, the word of the mouth does the rest. oh, there's also the part about php being so much easier to setup and to program

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread barries
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:54:36PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Is the RH7.0 installation stable? It comes with everything as a DSO and _should_ work... That's the problem: DSOs aren't stable enough, so it all too often doesn't just work :(.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Stitt
martin langhoff wrote: snip. Another item that we should really have is a good (and somehow sanctioned) RPM that replaces the apache rpm (or deb) included in broken distros. Then we can include in the guide and related pages a link for [broken-distro-name] users, so they get a

Re: ANNOUNCE: lingerd 0.91b

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Roger Espel Llima wrote: Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very cool! Any benchmarks? The theoretical explanation, is quite good for those who understand the problem, but far from being convincing for those who don't. Yep. Benchmarking with a copy of 'ab'

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Torkington
Stas Bekman writes: Luckily Matt has got sick of waiting for someone to work on the advocacy of mod_perl and he has just taken over it. Having a good informational site is good, but it's not enough. We need to solve the problem of people to find this site and wanting to use mod_perl.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!

2000-12-05 Thread Josef
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:42:20AM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: With a flash of fireworks and champagne I'd like to announce to the world our new mod_perl news and advocacy web site: http://modperl.sergeant.org/ I really like the format and the familiarity of this site. Looks to be

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Torkington
Paul writes: Any idea what it would take to get a link there from webs like tpj and Perl.com? Those two I can easily make happen. Send me email saying what you want a link to, and what you want the link to say. Writers for perl.com are always wanted. Pitch your article ideas to [EMAIL

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
Let me stright things out a bit, so you won't get misleaded by my post as a marketing call. What we want is very simple. 1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product. 2. We want more developers, so they

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
On 5 Dec 2000, Jorge Godoy wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Automatic generating of html/ps/pdf/other formats. (html/ps/pdf are already working in the guide, other formats to come). What other formats do you think people want/need? info files would be cool.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Aaron Johnson
mod_perl is NOT PHP. It wasn't meant to be. PHP allows for embedding a scripting language inside of HTML and allows for some "neat" things. It is also I believe easier to install and setup then a related mod_perl server. Reasons/questions of new users: 1) You have to get all kinds of modules

RE: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Geoffrey Young
-Original Message- From: Ajit Deshpande [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 12:19 PM To: kevin montuori Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:51:08AM -0500, kevin montuori wrote:

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Thomas J. Mather
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Michael Nachbaur wrote: I don't know what I'm getting at here, but I see that Perl is half a step behind Java in many ways, except for the performance issues (which perl is leagues ahead). For my company, we're probably going Java, but it sorta makes sense for us (we

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gerald Richter
additionally, i think that some consideration should be given to how mod_perl is packaged. I know that S.u.S.E. Linux (at least the german version) include a Apache with mod_perl as DSO ( but I never have tried it, I always compiled Apache/Perl/mod_perl etc. from the source), but

RE: Response time of a perl script!!!

2000-12-05 Thread Jason Liu
In this situation, I think the bottle neck is establishing connection with the database. Apache::DBI helps to maintain persistent database connection. That's why the latter test is 20 times faster. Jason Hi folks, I ran a same perl script twice. First time only under mod_perl,

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Jay Jacobs
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: What we want is very simple. 1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product. 2. We want more developers, so they will write core mod_perl and 3rd party

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote: I picture only 10% of people who build web sites ever needing to use mod_perl directly. I think they're more likely to use the systems that are built *in* mod_perl, like Mason, AxKit, and so on. If there's a with a lot of information about

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Aaron Johnson wrote: I am all for advocating the use of mod_perl, but the basics of setup, install and usability are always going to be key. really? how many people actually need to configure and install mod_perl itself? how many people simply need a really simple

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Gerald Richter wrote: I know that S.u.S.E. Linux (at least the german version) include a Apache with mod_perl as DSO ( but I never have tried it, I always compiled Apache/Perl/mod_perl etc. from the source), but they neither have included any of the Apache::* modules or

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Eric Strovink
A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just mow it down? A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example applications targetted at, say, the last two RedHat distros. Each application should install itself -- .conf files, .htaccess files, dbm's,

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
people won't use the software if you don't give them a compelling reason. mod_perl and the higher layer systems that use it are not as easy to configure or program as php, and they have a lot less support from external software vendors or relevance inside engineering shops than java. we are

Re: RFC: mod_perl Guide 2.0

2000-12-05 Thread Jorge Godoy
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Dec 2000, Jorge Godoy wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Automatic generating of html/ps/pdf/other formats. (html/ps/pdf are already working in the guide, other formats to come). What other formats do you think

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: people won't use the software if you don't give them a compelling reason. mod_perl and the higher layer systems that use it are not as easy to configure or program as php, and they have a lot less support from external software vendors or relevance

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: i don't have figures, but from experience i know - once i've compiled httpd, i have almost no real configuration work to do with php. on the other hand, if i want to set up mason, i have to write 10-20 lines of perl code and access them with

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Strovink wrote: A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just mow it down? A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example applications targetted at, say, the last two RedHat distros. Each application should install

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Wiswell, Virginia
stas said: What we want is very simple. 1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product. 2. We want more developers, so they will write core mod_perl and 3rd party modules, again for us current

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: Therefore if the same job can be done with Perl and Java, why not to have your staff happy? That's the main point I think. Of course if the bussiness suffers because Perl is not good enough, that's a different point. Given that at least the same

[OT] mod_perl longevity [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-05 Thread Ajit Deshpande
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:34:49AM -0800, brian moseley wrote: i had lunch with doug and jon swartz not too long ago, talking about the possibility of starting a web application infrastructure company based on mod_perl and mason. when we got down to it, the fundamental question was: why not

sponsoring advocacy

2000-12-05 Thread Stas Bekman
Well, here comes a different question. Most of us have very limited resources on helping the project. The best scenario is when someone is doing mod_perl coding for his tasks at work and contributes back. But we are talking about things that require more than that. We need people with time on

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Strovink wrote: A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just mow it down? A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example applications targetted at, say, the last two RedHat distros. Each application should install itself

Re: [OT] mod_perl longevity [Was: mod_perl advocacy projectresurrection]

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ajit Deshpande wrote: Well, the above question pre-supposes that Java is inherently *better* than mod_perl for some definition of "better". it's true. i stayed away from defining better in that msg, but explored in a separate one in this thread. suffice to say, the wealth

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: infrastructure company based on mod_perl and mason. when we got down to it, the fundamental question was: why not just use java? and we couldn't find any answer other than "i like perl better". and that's not a reasonable business justification.

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread J. J. Horner
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:34:49AM -0800, brian moseley wrote: people won't use the software if you don't give them a compelling reason. mod_perl and the higher layer systems that use it are not as easy to configure or program as php, and they have a lot less support from external software

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, J. J. Horner wrote: Perhaps if someone makes a mod_perl based embedded scheme like Cold Fusion or PHP, that has some special hooks into Apache for performance that the other solutions don't offer. . . how is mason not like this? Honestly, though, I didn't believe the

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dave Rolsky wrote: Each has its advantages. Perl is good for real programmers who are going to write code to actually solve a problem. Java is good for monkeys who think that buying a $100k app server and tweaking it via a monolithic API will give them what they want.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gerald Richter
i don't have figures, but from experience i know - once i've compiled httpd, i have almost no real configuration work to do with php. on the other hand, if i want to set up mason, i have to write 10-20 lines of perl code and access them with PerlModule or PerlRequire. if i want multiple

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matthew Kennedy
"Thomas J. Mather" wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Michael Nachbaur wrote: I don't know what I'm getting at here, but I see that Perl is half a step behind Java in many ways, except for the performance issues (which perl is leagues ahead). For my company, we're probably going Java, but

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread martin langhoff
Eric Strovink wrote: A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just mow it down? A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example applications targetted at, say, the last two RedHat distros. I see a suitable target there ... maybe a SRPM

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Drew Taylor
Stas Bekman wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: people won't use the software if you don't give them a compelling reason. mod_perl and the higher layer systems that use it are not as easy to configure or program as php, and they have a lot less support from external

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: the availability of application server products in the java world is another example. go look at enhydra enterprise (http://www.enhydra.org/software/enhydraEnterprise/) and tell me that something like that exists in the perl world.

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread darren chamberlain
kevin montuori ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something to this effect: David Hodgkinson writes: prebuilt solves the problem nicely for people running linux; however, that's not everybody. i'm sure there are sun shops out there without the sysadmin expertise to download and

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Ajit Deshpande
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 08:26:35PM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: application should install itself -- .conf files, .htaccess files, dbm's, directory structures, perl code, html and templates, correct version of Perl, CPAN packages for any stuff needed, Apache, mod_perl, mod_ssl,

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ajit Deshpande wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 08:26:35PM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: application should install itself -- .conf files, .htaccess files, dbm's, directory structures, perl code, html and templates, correct version of Perl, CPAN packages for any stuff

Performance with Apache::Resource

2000-12-05 Thread mapg
Hi, We have installed Apache::Resource working of course with BSD::Resource and this combination is running fine. Now, we want to improve the performance of our server and would like to know the best values for Apache::Resource module, enabling of disabling some commands at our httpd.conf

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread kevin montuori
brian moseley writes: bm i know there are several people on the list who swear by "all bm handlers, all the time". i've never heard anybody give a reason bm for that preference that actually made sense to me. i'm not sure about "all handlers, all the time" but a good deal of

Problem Building Mod_Perl 1.24_01 under AIX and gcc

2000-12-05 Thread William R. Mattil
Hello, If anyone could help with this it would be greatly appreciated. Email response would be preferred. Thanks IBM RISC 6000 gcc version egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 release) apache_1.3.14 mod_perl-1.24_01 perl is perl-5.6.0 mod_perl - $ cd mod_perl-1.XX $ perl Makefile.PL \

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-05 Thread kyle dawkins
Everybody This whole call for mod_perl advocacy is definitely a good thing. But we're not going to get anywhere unless we understand the problem in detail. We can run around all we like talking numbers and touting the virtues of mod_perl but it's not going to actually do anything unless we

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Ben Cottrell
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:40:47 -0800 (PST), brian moseley wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dave Rolsky wrote: Each has its advantages. Perl is good for real programmers who are going to write code to actually solve a problem. Java is good for monkeys who think that buying a $100k app server

Apache 1.3.14 build

2000-12-05 Thread Wang, Pin-Chieh
I am trying to build apache v.1.3.14 with Mod_perl v. 1.24 using APACI I am using Perl 5.6 build 620 - the latest I ran perl Makefile.PL under mod_perl-1.24 directory The system created Makefile in support,regex. directories but terminated prematually with warning message for "Apache Version

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Michael Nachbaur
The issue here is not the underlying architecture. I have seen so-called "Enterprise" solutions which are based on the most flakey of ideas, but are sold with a $150k+ pricetag. Why? Because of the integraiton. Because of the support. I a large company, you cannot *afford* to have the

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, (Matthew Kennedy) wrote: I guess what I'm getting at is that I hear a lot of marketing hype about Java being a better "enterprise solution", but I'm curious as to what are the purely technical reasons for using Java over Perl. What exactly can you do in Java that you

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Jens-Uwe Mager
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 04:14:13PM -0500, darren chamberlain wrote: Perhaps the solution is a complete, precompiled package, something that has Perl, Apache, mod_perl, and all the required modules prebuilt, in various formats: RPM, deb, tgz, Solaris pkg, and just regular tarballs. Exactly,

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Ajit Deshpande wrote: IMHO, it shouldnt be that difficult if you make some good assumptions. For example, how difficult will it be to maintain the following package: 1. Assume Perl 5.5.3 OR 5.6.0 2. Assume latest Apache and static mod_perl 3. Assume latest

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: the availability of application server products in the java world is another example. go look at enhydra enterprise (http://www.enhydra.org/software/enhydraEnterprise/) and tell me that something like

Perl vs Java (XML Modules)

2000-12-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Drew Taylor wrote: I know this goes a little off topic, so I apologize in advance. I changed the topic for you :-) One big sticking point with Perl I'm just starting to run into is XML. Yes, Perl has great XML modules, and many more promising ones. But where is the

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, kevin montuori wrote: i'm not sure about "all handlers, all the time" but a good deal of what i'm using mod_perl for is session management, credential maintenance, custom logging, on-the-fly compression, and other "housekeeping" tasks. i think

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Drew Taylor
barries wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 04:10:01PM -0500, Drew Taylor wrote: I know this goes a little off topic, so I apologize in advance. One big sticking point with Perl I'm just starting to run into is XML. Yes, Perl has great XML modules, and many more promising ones. But where

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matthew Kennedy wrote: I've worked with both (Java 2 EE and tools like Apache::ASP/Mason). What people want out of an "enterprise solution" is a middle tier which is not tied into the presentation. When you free your process decisions from the presentation in that way, you

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, brian moseley wrote: i know there are several people on the list who swear by "all handlers, all the time". i've never heard anybody give a reason for that preference that actually made sense to me. That usually comes up in the context of handlers vs. Apache::Registry.

Re: Perl vs Java (XML Modules)

2000-12-05 Thread Drew Taylor
Matt Sergeant wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Drew Taylor wrote: I know this goes a little off topic, so I apologize in advance. I changed the topic for you :-) But now it seems like flame bait ;-) One big sticking point with Perl I'm just starting to run into is XML. Yes, Perl has

Re: Apache 1.3.14 build

2000-12-05 Thread newsreader
They say mod_perl 1.24_01 (not 1.24) is to be used with apache 1.3.14 On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 04:02:42PM -0600, Wang, Pin-Chieh wrote: I am trying to build apache v.1.3.14 with Mod_perl v. 1.24 using APACI I am using Perl 5.6 build 620 - the latest I ran perl Makefile.PL under mod_perl-1.24

RE: Apache 1.3.14 build

2000-12-05 Thread Hackett, Jonny E
I had that same problem and used mod_perl-1.24_01 and was able to compile it without anyproblems. -jonny -Original Message- From: Wang, Pin-Chieh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 4:03 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Apache 1.3.14 build I am trying to

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Matthew Kennedy
Perrin Harkins wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matthew Kennedy wrote: I've worked with both (Java 2 EE and tools like Apache::ASP/Mason). What people want out of an "enterprise solution" is a middle tier which is not tied into the presentation. When you free your process decisions from the

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread brian moseley
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: But I'd really love to hear some rational discussion on transaction object support. There are open source J2EE implementations - would it be possible to look a porting the transaction management components of that to Perl? Would this be desirable?

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I think the issue is Perl for web applications advocacy rather than mod_perl advocacy. If more people thought using Perl for web apps was cooler and easier than using PHP, then they would use Perl and then graduate to mod_perl when they were ready. As it is, PHP has 1-up on CGI/Perl. PHP is

Re: Problem Building Mod_Perl 1.24_01 under AIX and gcc

2000-12-05 Thread Jens-Uwe Mager
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:50:00PM -0600, William R. Mattil wrote: IBM RISC 6000 gcc version egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 release) apache_1.3.14 mod_perl-1.24_01 perl is perl-5.6.0 mod_perl - $ cd mod_perl-1.XX $ perl Makefile.PL \ APACHE_SRC=../apache_1.3.X/src \

XML::ValidWriter - \$scaler [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-05 Thread barries
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:31:49PM -0500, Drew Taylor wrote: I've used XML::Checker::Parser with no big issues. My biggest problem with XML::Writer (and hence XML::ValidWriter) is that I can't write to a string, unless there is some hackish workaround. XML::ValidWriter writes to a string

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