David Shemano writes:
The issue is not whether East Germany, or any other socialist
economy, was less able [...]
Yes it was -- the part you are responding to. It was about regions.
I wanted to show that you probably didn't even know where Europe is...
let alone why Germany is not a unit.
There
Michael writes:
Ken, this comes close to baiting.
Sorry. True... it could... but there is a difference, don't you think?
I was baiting on a personal level (You freaking lawyers!) or just
the unexpected kind on this list (As a group, US lawyers are not well
trained in other cultures)?
Ken.
--
David wrote:
I was never good at geography.
That's apparent.
The argument was made that a socialist economy would put more
emphasis on transportation safety than a capitalist economy.
Seems plausible. Silly me, I though one way to test that
thesis was to examine and compare the actual products
Chris wrote:
Russia engages in these grandiose catching up with
the West adventures every couple of centuries or so.
What I have always enjoyed about Chris's posts about Russia is his love
of the populace...
Likewise, I do with North Americans...
Ken.
--
Since the whole affair had become one
David the Savior is back and writes:
Let's try one last time.
Please do. We appreciate your altruism.
The suggestion was made that a socialist economy will
more highly value transportation safety than a
capitalist economy.
If you are trying to cite thread precedent, I applaud you.
Economics
Charles wrote:
It's hard because the Soviet Union (and all socialist
inspired economies) had to put so much economic
emphasis on military defense because capitalism was
constantly invading them or threatening to nuke 'em.
This throws off all ability to measure from Soviet and
socialist inspired
I like cars. I do not think there is some particularly capitalist
element about them... except their development.
But the subject of state subsidization is fair.
It is amazing, in a city the size of Toronto, how taking the subway
turned from a 1960s futuristic method of transport (say, 1967,
The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets,
not to back a bourgeois politician.
Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant in the streets
is lingo from an era of ascendant working class interests -- in
particular, radical lingo from the 60s-70s. (Militancy, itself, is older
Charles wrote:
You are probably aware that many juries ( composed largely
on North American workers) have given such high awards
often that the rightwing has been carrying out tort
reform for a while, whereby caps are put on the amounts.
It was my understanding that many of these awards are
Charles' response (Economics and Law thread) about the politics behind
tort law -- especially law involving people against corporations --
reminded me of a WSJ editorial last fall.
Read the opening item, below, and check out the commentary, below it, if
you care about this kind of creation of
Doug wrote:
Louis:
The lesson here is to remain militant in the streets,
not to back a bourgeois politician.
Me:
Ironically, this is, itself, a flawed analogy. Militant
in the streets is lingo from an era of ascendant working
class interests -- in particular, radical lingo from the
60s-70s.
Yoshie wrote:
My posting was in response to the remark that militant
demonstrations in the streets are tactics of another
era and that protests that are more theatrical than
militant are merely marginal.
Shame on the person who wrote that horrible thing you respond to...
Ken.
--
Fascism should
Charles wrote:
I think you are right that the problem wouldn't just go
away with socialism. There might , in general, in
socialism be more focus on some safety issues when the
decision would not depend upon how the safer engineering
impacted an individual corporation's bottomline. I can
see a
David writes:
I don't have a strong opinion on whether regulation should be
done by legislation or litigation -- it seems like a
peripheral issue.
I think that is a HUGE issue, not peripheral. But that's for another
thread and another day.
[...] safety is not an absolute value that takes
David wrote:
Conceptually, you are right back where you are
today, where the poor can buy a used Pinto.
David Shemano
My parents were not poor... they were working class... they did work to
make ends meet. Your mobile poverty metre is a tad chintzy.
To assume that they might have to buy a car
David wrote:
Any economy in a country whose name had or has the words
People's, Socialist or Sweden in it.
I like Sweden. You gotta problem with that, punk?
Ken.
--
I like Sweden. You gotta problem with that, punk?
-- Me in this thread
CB: Another infamous case of this was the exploding Pinto of Ford.
Thanks, CB. That was the 70s. May not apply to the original post I made,
in the time frame... but same principle.
Regardless... The notion that lives have worth based upon economic
evaluation is hated amongst normal working North
I've mentioned to friends I've known before law studies the plethora of
suits involving electric space heaters -- apparently a sort of a
chew-toy for tort lawyers.
There is an implied (depends how you read it) acceptable death rates
formula in tort. That Learned Hand Formula? Anyone read about
Chris Doss wrote:
For the NYT or WP, everything bad that happens in
China or Russia is the result of a nefarious plot
hatched in Beijing or Moscow. For the life of me I
can't understand why people who would be
hypersceptical over these papers' coverage of, say,
Venezuela cite them as impeachable
Jonathan Lassen writes:
Thanks LP for posting the review of Hart-Landsberg and
Burkett's long MR piece. I just picked up a copy
yesterday, and have been looking it over. I've got my
own little quibbles with it (not enough emphasis on rural
China, which I think is desperately important right now,
Hi Kenneth Campbell,
Hi Jonathan Lassen!
Who funds Monthly Review? I have no idea.
I have an idea... grin. But I love the publication, nonetheless.
I do know a bit about China Study Group, since I work with them. The
annual budget is about 100 dollars, which is what the website
costs. All
Diane wrote:
That being said and I agree again with you, the
Kurds are an oppressed nationality. Period.
Ulhas wrote
Does it mean that the Left should support the breakup
of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey?
Ulhas
Of course not.
But I think your point is more along the lines of the foreign
Ann Coulter is channeling Dick Cheney again... ?
Ken.
CB: Well, sufferin' suckatash, is he saying the
government bureaucrats were Marxists ?
Many of them are. (present tense) If you get to know them, of course.
But, Charles... don't tell him that. Next thing you know, David Shemano
might be against unions. (It is rumored that organized labor might
Respectfully, The Greens are proto-fascists. Environment over working
class reality.
Greens have nothing to do with class in terms of production. I think the
class component was important once to certain people.
Ken.
I really thank you for this piece, David.
It was more articulate than that which had come in quotes before.
But Mr Sowell does still seem quite... you know... stupid.
You actually quote this:
Liberals tend to describe what they want in terms of
goals rather than processes, and not to be overly
David the troller writes:
Humor me on this. I need some Marx 101. Let's imagine the
crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and
light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a
fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled and all
ticket are refunded. The
Michael writes:
Please, no personal attacks. If David were a troller, he
could have been very disruptive here. He has not been.
I honestly did not write David the troller in a negative way.
Honestly! I thought he was just here to be the straw that stirs the
drink that we all prefer.
I think
David the non-trolled writes:
You misunderstand my questions. I am not asking
whether the crew should be paid. I am trying to
understand the labor theory of value/surplus
value/exploitation in context.
I don't think I misunderstand your question. I was talking about the
value of the crew.
David wrote:
I am a reductionist, as some of you may
remember from a previous exchange. Therefore, I insist on
narrowing issues to their most basic.
You write: I insist on narrowing issues to their most basic.
I do, too, sir.
Survival. Ability to raise kids. Dignity.
My dad was working class
Louis wrote:
You may be a great economist, but sometimes you suck
as a moderator.
Respectfully, I have to disagree. Michael is an excellent moderator.
Michael does something akin to actual life: keep differing ideas in
contact, because there is something that comes out of it that's better
than
For what it's worth...
I saw Hussein on TV this morn, and Peter Jennings did an excellent job
of old Murrow-style radio reporting... describing scenes without the aid
of a TV camera. Jennings described a beaten down man, thin, polite,
alert, tangling with the judge once.
I have since seen the
I appreciate the distinction between rising wages and minimum wages,
David. Thanks.
Now that I got that off my chest, I am off to see Simon and
Garfunkel at the Hollywood Bowl. When I get back, how about a
discussion of explaining the price of concert tickets from a
Marxist perspective?
People
Glad to see you remain the same alienating asshole as ever, Lou.
Mr Doss has done nothing but offer his own opinion and plenty of
interesting material. I see no problem or a need to cut him down. (All
your hackneyed adjectives about his posts are a reminder why you don't
have a book contract.)
Grin...
Michael... I don't mind the thread.
Someone has to point out what Louis does... Which is divide. Mr.Doss has
provided a fresh and direct perspective, so what? It was like your
invitation to that Chicago right wing lawyer chap...
We learn thorugh being in contact.
As for the asshole
J wrote:
The first article I ever read about Fidel Castro was
a story by Tad Szulc, in Playboy or Penthouse.
Playboy deserves a rightful place in Yanqui social liberation history.
The interviews were remarkable. As a lad, I was obviously attracted because of
beautiful females. And we males
A message to my fellow Americans who chose to live where
the wheat waves, the buffalo roam and most rites of
?passage still involve a pickup truck:
I'm sick and tired of having my pocket picked by your
two-faced politicians who talk a good game about self-
reliance and limited government, and
joanna bujes wrote:
I dont' want ANY messages, healthy or not, being
broadcast about. I was never exposed to any form
of advertisement until I emigrated to Paris in
63...and then to the US in 64. My immediate
reaction to it was that I felt manipulated and
insulted. I still feel that way.
Sorry I
Michael brought the Berrigans up in the Thread-That-Will-Not-Be-Named.
I'd like to underline that point, even though it was only originally
mentioned in the context of Catholics and that dogma (and all its
facets, liberation theology, etc.). Raised a Catholic, I appreciate
reading about what they
Joanna wrote:
It's interesting,in this regard, to note that all
fictional plots involving the rich and the poor
changing places, always have a capitalist trade
places with a beggar...not a worker.
Today, yes, often so. Not always so...
One of my fave old movies is the Devil and Miss Jones...
Maybe you mean domesday book
No, no...
I know that Norman accounting tax grab census you mention...
I mean the Doomsday Book... you have to see his evil plot to get her
comment.
And I think, really, the idea of the Corporate Boss hiding in the shoe
department, scribbling about unionists in his
I am just reading through this discussion.
This Julio Huato seems to have a grasp of strategy and tactics... But I
don't want to damn him with my praise.
Michael P. (the closet horsetrader) wrote:
Julio is probably right, but think of how horrible
this situation is.
Well... I'd say DON'T
I sense that this Cockburn guy is important in some way to some of you
Americans for some reason... And I would like to be polite and give him
a wide berth... since he matters a lot to your culture.
But this is lousy style:
* Clichs like rubbing shoulders... that's as bad made a cool
million.
Saw this chap on World View (on CBC Newsworld) this morn. Very extensive
and open interview. (CBC style, most Americans feel free to speak openly
in Canada because few people back home will ever hear about it. :)
He's author of _Rogue Nation_. Spoke critically of Bush (a radical) and
the theory
Hi Sabri --
I didn't respond to this because I wanted to give it a lot of thought.
And try to separate out layers of influence in my own opinions. Maybe
I've just been westernized as you sort of imply.
(Plus, Jurriaan did a rather good job in dealing with the concept of
western rationality as a
All Right!
Sabri writes, progressively:
You are demonstrating a westernly rational behaviour.
It is slipping from an adjective to... well... a lesser adjective. Not
western now westernly.
Soon it will be a not eastern.
Also, I never said that I want to take revenge from western
rationality.
I like this one:
Westeronoid rational behaviour?
After that, you can loot the fucking tradition. :)
Ken.
--
Fall out of the window with confetti in my hair.
-- Tom Waits
Sabri, yer gonna out live us all. Some Turkish hills thing. Worry not.
I don't smoke... But I think yer a bit harsh on our dyslexic lawyer
friend.
You wrote:
Western rationality requires, or leads to, Justins of the world.
Adults have the right to kill themselves, in any way they wish. As long
JKS writes:I'd be proud to defend the First
Amendment ina NAzi case too.
if the gov't cracks down on the Nazis, they crack down on
the Left, too, most often in a bigger way. A first
amendment defense of the Nazis is indirectly
defending the Left.
Elementary, my dear Mr. Devine. :)
You know, FDR
Well... yes and no.
Yes, it was Warren's court, and Eisenhower was disappointed with his
two appointments.
But, no, Warren couldn't have done anything without Black and Douglas.
And Douglas was a major source of this extreme free speech-ism. (Mind
you, I wasn't there.)
Ken.
--
I used to
I wasn't talking about second hand smoke... That's another topic.
There are laws against smoking in public places. Nothing wrong with those.
Ken.
with second-hand smoke, SOMEONE ELSE puts the smoke in your
mouth and nose, while YOU have little choice but to inhale.
Jim
-Original
and Brennan, appointed
by Eisenhower, and Goldberg, Fortas, and Marshall,
appointed by Kennedy and Johnson. The one right thing
you say here is that the Warren Court era is over. jks
--- Kenneth Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JKS writes:I'd be proud to defend the First
Amendment ina NAzi case too
soula avramidis writes:
this Karl Marx is tame, domesticated and suitable
for a western audience
Karl _was_ tame, polite and reasonable in interview and personal
interaction.
He spoke to the other side in a conversation -- didn't sit there
delivering monologues. Quite human.
Sorry about that,
Carrol Cox writes:
[Some general gossip]
We all have our moments, good and bad. That's the very definition of
quite human. Do you have a different one?
Ken.
--
Gossip is charming!
But scandal is merely gossip
made tedious by morality.
-- Oscar Wilde
Hey! soula avramidis!
a young man ran towards the old marx all joy and zeal
wanting to join the cause; marx simply told him to
bugger off. he was nice but not naive.
That sounds heartbreaking. I'm sorry to hear it.
If you, personally, have to believe that Karl Marx was about the iron
rule of
Max B. Sawicky wrote:
this was great.
www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/ArticleView.asp?accessible=yesP_Article=12
295
It is great! Thoroughly entertaining and inspirational at the same
time...
My two reasons for thinking it so...
1) The Nod to the Past:
The writer's assumption of Karl's style
Here ya go...
--- cut here ---
Copyright 2003 The Times Mirror Company; Los Angeles Times
October 17, 2003 Friday Home Edition
SECTION: Calendar; Part 5; Page 30; Calendar Desk
LENGTH: 810 words
HEADLINE: AL MARTINEZ;
Feels like a people's war is brewing
BYLINE: AL MARTINEZ
BODY:
I've
Gore eyes CBC-launched cable company Newsworld International
Barbara Shecter and Isabel Vincent
National Post
Oct 3 2003
In his quest to set up a new liberal-leaning broadcaster in the United
States, former U.S. vice-president Al Gore and a group of investors
could end up buying Newsworld
Bill Lear writes about Carter and Bush:
That's because yes, there is a significant difference in
attitude of this faction of the ruling party, though not
really in results. The differences are little more than
mere window dressing, which is not to say I don't want
Bush and his gang of splendid
Michael wrote:
In short, he was not universally bad. Bush is. Carter was
domestically a conventional Republican.
In business, they call it managing expectations.
[In other words... ADAPT to your fucking environment... without losing
your whole purpose to exist]
:)
Ken.
--
If you are going
Now we are shifting from
a) ad hominem attacks on a local leader (Yanqui stuff)
to
b) war crimes.
At least change the thread name, Sabri.
Ken.
--
For all these new and evolutionary facts, meanings, purposes,
new poetic messages, new forms and expressions, are inevitable.
-- Walt
Any input on what this group is?
I know it's a conservative think tank in NYC -- but some more background
on funding and policy purpose would be appreciated. Or personalities
closely associated with it.
Thanks,
Ken.
--
It is the wretchedness of being rich that you have to
live with rich
Congress Shuts Pentagon Unit Over Privacy
By CARL HULSE
New York Times
September 26, 2003
WASHINGTON, Sept. 25 A Pentagon office that became steeped in
controversy over privacy issues and a market in terrorism futures was
shut down by Congress today as the Senate passed and sent to President
Best line from debate, as formulated in NYT editorial:
The newcomer, retired Gen. Wesley Clark, was more affable
than forthcoming about his unformed policy views. He
insisted that he was a Democrat at heart, despite
previous votes for Republican presidents, and would prove
it
I regret I don't have the time to search through archives... or make
uneducated guesses...
So I thought I'd try the blunt approach.
Would the lad who made the post with the theory that the Republicans
cannot build countries (like Iraq, as opposed to Japan in 46) is
because they _are_ Republicans
These kinds of heavy-handed policies are the stuff of rebellious
tension... or resigned despair. Depending on the surrounding social
climate. And the noise created around it.
Ken.
--
An author is a fool who, not content with boring those he
lives with, insists on boring future generations.
Washington Post's Fast Forward (tech) section is naturally following the
epic struggle of the music industry (RIAA) against evolving
technology.
Latest column (Rob Pegaro):
RIAA Uses Law to Defend Interests
After years of trying to criminalize hardware and software
that can be used
Record labels getting desperate
By MATHEW INGRAM
Globe and Mail
September 5 2003
Universal Music, one of the five major record companies, announced late
on Wednesday that it is chopping the retail price of its top line CDs
by anywhere from 23 to 30 per cent. The company said it is making this
Mike B) wrote:
Commdification has made consciousness cheap along with
everything else, most especially, our lives.
Idle hands... idle hands... the devil's work results, every time, under
any system. You cannot let people have time... Yet I can think of
nothing I would treasure more.
Ken.
--
I wrote:
You cannot let people have time... Yet I can think of
nothing I would treasure more.
Just to make sure I was clear, there...
I do not mean the time one gets from calling in sick, or from getting
unemployment, or from welfare, or from being derelict... Nor do I mean
the time one gets
Earned it could mean many things.
More immediately, it would mean you did your 4-hours. It was not
bestowed.
Ken.
--
CLARKE'S LAW: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke
Sometimes Canadian business classes and intelligentsia surprise me.
There is an ability to see the world drastically differently than the
USA media echo chamber of the White House communications pipeline (a
pipeline/octopus that should be flow charted and studied as part of high
school education).
These kinds of ideas are fine in an abstract, make-believe world -- the
Wired magazine/Negroponte realm. Robinson Crusoe versions of a wired
world. Everyone on their own little island, everyone wired together.
Deighton says, below: It's about offering its customers and prospects
an identity that
BBC News reports:
They actually made people sing Beatles songs.
That should be a scene from a Terry Gilliam movie... a creepy,
Brazil-style setting at an airport...
EXT. ESTABLISH SHOT Futuristic airport. Echoey footsteps can be heard
as jets take off and land.
INT. LONG WHITE-GLOWING HALL
ABC News ran the most stunningly disturbing graphic... A map of the NE
continent, here... with a little second clock in the corner. With each
second, a jurisdiction or two shut down. Off the grid.
Michigan.
Tick.
Connecticut.
Tick.
Ohio.
Tick.
New Jersey.
Tick.
Ravi wrote:
funny. i live in NJ and had power throughout y'day and up till
this moment, today.
NYT has a pretty good graphic...
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20030815_blk_GRID/030815_na
tGRID.pdf
You can dispute their statement with their editor if you like. (Hell,
everyone
Michael writes:
guarantee -- we will hear that it was the environmentalists fault.
We need more nukes, more coal Pass the damn energy bill.
Okay.
We're taking bets, here.
Michael says it will be the enviros who take the rap -- probably via
communications work by the White House (Bush has
I ain't talking about ultimate truths, here. As if Mr. Berlin had some
lock on truth. :)
I am talking about people (my community, say -- or better yet my family,
which was stunned by the world around them last night and is still
buzzing with questions) speaking their concerns.
Mass media, as
Jim wrote:
Hmm... how would Lenin score?
Any guy allowing himself to be photographed scratching a cat, with his
legs crossed, is flexible on your F-scale.
Ken.
--
The awareness of the ambiguity of one's highest
achievements (as well as one's deepest failures)
is a definite symptom of maturity.
Ottawa back in court against tobacco firms
By KIM LUNMAN
Globe and Mail Update
Aug. 14, 2003
OTTAWA The federal government resurrected its legal battle against Big
Tobacco yesterday to recover $1.5-billion in taxes it claims it lost to
a cigarette smuggling scam during the early 1990s.
We
Jim writes:
is there a color which represents democracy? I'd prefer
democracy to anarchism (which precludes democracy).
Democracy would be the color of the ruling cohort. Everyone is a democrat, even Hitler.
Anarchism is okay... if you have the other two sides of the flag supporting it.
Ken.
Lou --
I hesitate to write... but I must state...
I know you are smart... But these ambush letters in which you ask a
question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private is private.
Ken.
--
Literature is the art of writing something that will be
read twice; journalism what will be read
Geez, Jim...
This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test.
Ken.
--
The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several
times the same good things for the first time.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
Devine, James wrote:
what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists
I always like to see the words urban myth used when talking about
academics. So much of accepted stuff is legendary.
The connectedness of the world via the Net was always lauded in academia
and SEC prospective alike. While I think Stanley Milgram was brilliant,
things ain't really that different
General Winter won three in Russia.
But I wonder if all three were not really won by Russian feudalism.
Feudalist culture (declining or not) had the singular ability to absorb
massive blows to the communications infrastructure without collapsing.
(That's why they had fiefdoms... and created
I wrote:
But in this particular battle of definitions, I agree with
all the Yoshies out there. They call anarchism what Mr.
Marx would call democracy.
I think it's useful to avoid mushing concepts together that way.
I don't see that as mushing. I see it as evolving language.
But we can call
Judge Rejects Subpoenas in Music-Use Case
Aug 8, 10:21 PM
BOSTON (AP) - A federal judge rejected an attempt by the recording
industry to uncover the names of Boston College and MIT students
suspected of online music piracy.
U.S. District Judge Joseph L. Tauro said Friday that under federal
Jim writes about the classic Marx v Bakunin battle of anarchism and intelligent
socialism.
I can never disagree with Karl, because he was just too damn smart. Never took a
position based on his own interests and fudged the rest.
But in this particular battle of definitions, I agree with all
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Reply to an Observer article by the Italian
Refounded CP
Kenneth Campbell wrote:
Lou --
I hesitate to write... but I must state...
I know you are smart... But these ambush letters in which you ask a
question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private
Fast Company's New Life in the Slow Lane
By DAVID CARR
New York Times
August 11, 2003
Fast Company, a magazine that advocated a business revolution, was first
published more than eight years ago on the verge of one. That
revolution, fomented by digital technologies and soaring stock prices,
Jim writes:
what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from?
I thought Mr. Coyle had the funniest response to that... What Should We
Do? Organize to free Mumia.
(He caveated his comment, as do I.)
If there is a leftie syndrome, it's the decentralization of the whole
body.
About 3,000 die of heat-related causes in France
Associated Press
August 14 2003
About 3,000 people have died in France of heat-related causes since
abnormally high temperatures swept across the country about two weeks
ago, the health ministry said Thursday.
The number of deaths linked
Buffett joins team Terminator
By BARRIE McKENNA
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Aug. 14, 2003
Washington Decried by pundits as a political circus, the colourful
race to recall California Governor Gray Davis is suddenly attracting
some big-time talent.
U.S. President George W. Bush is
Jim wrote about Stan Goff... His son is serving.
Reminds me:
The other day, I got off the 401 Highway at a PetroCan station and I
couldn't find the wallet right away. I did the Go ahead thing absently
to the other person.
It was someone in combat clothes. Little beret and all that.
He was very
Is this necessary?
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:05:38PM -0400, Kenneth Campbell wrote:
If you can't
sell it... well... languish in the warehouse with Lou's crew.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
I was referring to Lou Rukyser.
God I hate
Mike wrote:
The State is the governmental expression of class
rule.
Fair enough. I've heard many descriptions of what the state is. That's a
workable one.
I've never met anyone--anarchists included--who argued
that that State could be abolished by decree.
I agree with that. (In terms of
Doug wrote:
It's always the person responding to the irritable grouch that
gets the reprimand, isn't it?
Louie wrote:
Doug, when did you take Jerry Levy's place on PEN-L?
It amazes me that so little has changed.
I knew Jerry Levy online 6-7 years ago, back when I disappeared from
leftie lists
INTRO: I knew Bob Hunter fairly well in a previous incarnation. Bob
co-founded Greenpeace. His column appeared weekly. He wrote often about
global warming. It was humorous to see his winter columns about global
warming run during some terrible winter storms -- humorous to read the
mail responses
Yoshie wrote:
I'd prefer Red, Black, and Green together (the colors of
revolutionary socialism, anarchism, and environmentalism),
also the colors of the pan-African Black Liberation Flag.
Sounds good to me. I adopt that as my flag.
But don't tell anyone I agree with you. I would hate to be
Man o man...
Wild scenes inside the gold mine.
Thank god for car batteries. I never would have been able to find out
anything. (Must keep supply of batteries in house... Must keep supply of
batteries in house... Must keep supply of batteries in house...)
Seriously, though, this system is as
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