Hi andreas
1- We talked a lot about Webclient used in the Pharo mailing-list and we were
stupid to think that you read it. Luckily you did it at last.
2- I'm also surprised that nobody checked the license (me the first). Shit
happens even with the best attitude. We are paying attention to
Sven and philippe
I was wondering what was the license of your submissions to webClient.
Because this will be also a problem. Either you totally give it to andreas and
he can do what he wants with it,
or you retain the right on the code and andreas has to decide what he will do
with it.
Since
On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Sudhakar Krishnamachari wrote:
Good to see some of the concerns addressed.
Now so far I do not see companies really putting effort so may be nothing
will happen but this will not be
because of us. :)
This is the chicken and egg situation. Bar
I fully agree with Stef.
I don't remember why I assumed the license was MIT, maybe because on
Andreas' blog it says: we now have what I think is a pretty decent HTTP
server and client implementation for Squeak 4.1. Isn't the missing
license an issue for Squeak? Anyway, obviously its a no-go not
Hi pharoers
What do you think?
I think that we should not have any software parts whose license is not set
clearly in Pharo.
So I will remove WebClient from Pharo.
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:00 AM,
people got excited :)
On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:55 AM, j...@anymorphic.com wrote:
Tudor Girba tudor.gi...@... writes:
Is this Theme available?
I can push the change monday morning.
ja
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Hi ja
did you sign the license agreement?
Just if you want your code to be in pharo: but may impression is that it would
be a nice advertisement for your company
the AnyMorphic style.
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:55 AM, j...@anymorphic.com wrote:
Tudor Girba tudor.gi...@... writes:
I agree with Andreas that the process for including packages in Pharo
is not transparent (at least not me). Dont know the process
for Squeak either - but at least we all should take care to keep the
whole platform and forks open. Maybe the license should be a
required field in Squeaksource for
A final point:
I can understand that andreas does not want to get fork. I understand that he
can think that
we are stealing code. I think that this is fair to think that. Now as miguel
mentioned about SPDF,
the solution is in the process: one way to avoid fork is to be open to other
changes
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Stéphane Ducasse
stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi pharoers
What do you think?
I think that we should not have any software parts whose license is not set
clearly in Pharo.
So I will remove WebClient from Pharo.
It can still be maintained as an
Adrian
Same for squeakSSL. :)
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:03 AM, a...@netstyle.ch wrote:
I fully agree with Stef.
I don't remember why I assumed the license was MIT, maybe because on
Andreas' blog it says: we now have what I think is a pretty decent HTTP
server and client implementation
Hi Andreas,
I am not a lawyer but as far as I understand this topic, no license means
nobody can use the code at all, which contradicts the fact of having it in a
public repository (and you being perfectly happy of people using it).
Can you please clarify the license situation of those
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
I agree with Andreas that the process for including packages in Pharo
is not transparent (at least not me).
read the open and transparent discussions that happened over the past months in
this mailing-list: check for webClient in the
ESUG A little advertisement:
Cincom pushed the idea to have a lawyer at ESUG to explain such kind of
points, there will be a panel with Julian Fitzel, Bert Freudenberg so
we will all learn. Prepare your questions.
/ESUG
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi
12119
-
- Issue 2880: remove WebClient from pharo. Thanks Andreas Raab.
Andreas is right no code without license in Pharo. Good catch.
Stef
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hi guys
Colin curtin mentioned to mike that he would like to donate his HTTPClient to
squeak and pharo
http://map.squeak.org/package/8644a5ff-923c-438f-b5b0-a281de346040
---BeginMessage---
Michael,
I'm not sure if I responded to you, but I remember typing the email :)
I am the author, I'd
Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@... writes:
did you sign the license agreement?
For the License, I send a fax to you, now.
I pushed the changes used and created by Anymorphic into Pharo-Inbox
under the Name Polymorph-Themes-Pro.
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Hi Andreas,
Thank you for clarifying your position and for pointing out the lack of a
proper license for WebClient code.
I and other people in the Pharo community made a mistake and we're sorry. We
will be more careful in the future.
But to our defense, as others pointed out, you're
There is a copy here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070222111811rn_1/alpineguy.com/httpclient/
On 30 août 10, at 11:07, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
hi guys
Colin curtin mentioned to mike that he would like to donate his
HTTPClient to squeak and pharo
I committed a version of HTTPClient that loads in Pharo to
http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTaskForces
The code looks really clean and nice. Unfortunately there are no tests
and it does not seem to work out of the box, but that was not expected
either.
Lukas
On 30 August 2010 11:19,
Actually the line blow works out of the box, I had the proxy settings
missing (which are obviously not picked up):
HCFacade httpGet: 'http://www.google.com/'
On 30 August 2010 11:30, Lukas Renggli reng...@gmail.com wrote:
I committed a version of HTTPClient that loads in Pharo to
Thanks Alain.
I hope you are going well - Alain is the guy that was the first to talk to me
about Seaside
You got a huge impact alain :)
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Alain Fischer wrote:
There is a copy here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070222111811rn_1/alpineguy.com/httpclient/
Thanks lukas!!!
My mail server just decided to push 3561 mails on me even if it should
remove them from the server :)
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
I committed a version of HTTPClient that loads in Pharo to
http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTaskForces
The
lukas
the first thing I would love is to have beautiful abstractions and name
(working of course).
:)
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Actually the line blow works out of the box, I had the proxy settings
missing (which are obviously not picked up):
HCFacade
On 30 Aug 2010, at 11:38, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Actually the line blow works out of the box, I had the proxy settings
missing (which are obviously not picked up):
HCFacade httpGet: 'http://www.google.com/'
Yes it does (in Pharo1.2a Latest update: #12119 (not 12118 !!)).
I has underscore
On 30 Aug 2010, at 11:46, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
the first thing I would love is to have beautiful abstractions and name
(working of course).
:)
You mentioned that a couple of times before, what do you mean exactely ?
In the context of HTTP the concepts are pretty well known and defined by
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:24:37 -0700 Stéphane Ducasse wrote
3- Philippe contacted you with fixes several times and got no reply, sven too
so people thought that you do not want to talk to them. Apparently not
so this is good.
Andreas was having mail issues. A few days ago I
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hi pharoers
What do you think?
I think that we should not have any software parts whose license is not set
clearly in Pharo.
So I will remove WebClient from Pharo.
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 30 Aug 2010, at 11:46, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
the first thing I would love is to have beautiful abstractions and name
(working of course).
:)
You mentioned that a couple of times before, what do you mean exactely ?
the
ok
On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:01 PM, jaayer wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:24:37 -0700 Stéphane Ducasse wrote
3- Philippe contacted you with fixes several times and got no reply, sven
too so people thought that you do not want to talk to them. Apparently not
so this is good.
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:28:19 -0700 Nicolas Cellier wrote
I'm not comfortable with English, but to me Magnitude is about
ordering rather than just comparing.
I expect a TOrderable to describe a fully or partially ordered set.
If you define this, then it is a fully ordered set:
=
On 30 août 10, at 11:41, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Thanks Alain.
I hope you are going well - Alain is the guy that was the first to
talk to me about Seaside
You got a huge impact alain :)
I am going well even if I don't do a lot of Smalltalk ... still hoping
to use more Smalltalk ...
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say pharo library? reread carefully I said an open-source one.
This is not our own library, this is a library we can contribute, control
We do
+1
So this is ok :)
What I would love in my wildest dream is to have magnitude using TComparable :)
But this may be too complex.
I would like to have the time to check how we can make trait implementation
leaner, smaller.
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:11 PM, jaayer wrote:
On Sun,
hi guys
after get burned during some years about the license of Squeak.
What do you think to force people to put a license on projects on squeaksource?
I have the impression that it would avoid bad situation in the future.
Even if I could live with it like it is too. This is just that we just
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Date: August 30, 2010 11:18:44 AM GMT+02:00
To: Martinez Peck Mariano marianop...@gmail.com
Cc: Ducasse Stéphane stephane.duca...@inria.fr, Marcus Denker
marcus.den...@inria.fr, Luc Fabresse
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Date: August 30, 2010 12:06:36 PM GMT+02:00
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Philippe Marschall philippe.marsch...@netcetera.ch
Date: August 30, 2010 12:17:13 PM GMT+02:00
To: stephane.duca...@inria.fr
Subject: Re: WebClient-Core port to Pharo 1.1 final
On 08/30/2010 09:45 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Sven and philippe
I was
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say pharo library? reread carefully I said an open-source one.
What I get from Andreas' words is that
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:35:28 -0700 Stéphane Ducasse wrote
hi guys
after get burned during some years about the license of Squeak.
What do you think to force people to put a license on projects on
squeaksource?
I have the impression that it would avoid bad situation in the
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:32:18 -0700 Stéphane Ducasse wrote
+1
So this is ok :)
What I would love in my wildest dream is to have magnitude using TComparable
:)
But this may be too complex.
I would like to have the time to check how we can make trait implementation
leaner,
We want a library where people can participate. Now Pharoers will decide,
I think that we do not have problem
with sharing on WebClient. I can understand that people do not like that
they cannot improve an infrastructure
that they will rely upon. We do not want string to number conversion,
after get burned during some years about the license of Squeak.
What do you think to force people to put a license on projects on
squeaksource?
I have the impression that it would avoid bad situation in the future.
Even if I could live with it like it is too. This is just that we just wait
to
On Aug 30, 2010, at 1:06 10PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say pharo library? reread carefully I said an
Levente Uzonyi le...@elte.hu writes:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say pharo library? reread carefully I said an open-source one.
Before some of us are continue to lament or are too quick in
decisions like removing/forking/reimplementing the web lib or
judging on all this I think it would be wise to wait for a
response from Andreas.
First: his response was directly to Sven (with Pharo in CC)
and please reread what he
Hi,
Many valid things have been said from both sides regarding WebClient.
As far as I understand it, there are 2 possible 'places' where code can reside:
inside Pharo(Core) or outside. The inside code does not have to be compatible
with other Squeak/Smalltalks (apart from maybe ANSI and other
thanks
I will check if the inria secretary got it.
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:13 AM, j...@anymorphic.com wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@... writes:
did you sign the license agreement?
For the License, I send a fax to you, now.
I pushed the changes used and created by
As lukas said we were more in the mood to help people developing software, even
private one.
Now it may turn out that we were too naive... but this is life :)
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 1:12 PM, jaayer wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:35:28 -0700 Stéphane Ducasse wrote
hi guys
Personally, I'd call it forcing Squeakisms on anyone wanting to use
WebClient, and potentially breaking any number of other packages.
The rest I have no problems with, most are fixes/convenience methods which
are already in, or should be introduced before Pharo 1.2 (for exampe the
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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:41:45 +0200
From: Tudor Girba tudor.gi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] this style looks cool
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, j...@anymorphic.com
j...@anymorphic.comwrote:
Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@... writes:
did you sign the license agreement?
For the License, I send a fax to you, now.
I pushed the changes used and created by Anymorphic into Pharo-Inbox
under the Name
This looks useful; how do you turn an image into a method, though?
Hi!
Have a look at the class side of MenuIcons. There are a bunch of import/export
methods.
Cheers,
Alexandre
--
_,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
We do not want a process/system where one single person controls something
important.
- first it does not scale.
- second it is not good for the ecosystem feeling.
- third we got burnt in the past (remember 3.9 fonts problems - 3.9 was
shipped with bug because
Dear Smalltalkers,
I'd like to remind you that all information about the ESUG conference is
on-line as usual
http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2010
you'll there many info including (but not limited to:)
-The conference schedule:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Henrik Johansen wrote:
On Aug 30, 2010, at 1:06 10PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say
On Aug 30, 2010, at 1:25 PM, jaayer wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:32:18 -0700 Stéphane Ducasse wrote
+1
So this is ok :)
What I would love in my wildest dream is to have magnitude using TComparable
:)
But this may be too complex.
I would like to have the time to
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
We do not want a process/system where one single person controls something
important.
- first it does not scale.
- second it is not good for the ecosystem feeling.
- third we got burnt in the past (remember 3.9 fonts
Hi!
I can't load it. I've got an error: Instances of Timestamp are not indexable
Alexandre
On 29 Aug 2010, at 22:07, Benjamin Van Ryseghem wrote:
Hello everyone
As you may already known, I'm working on a new tool named MethodName which is
the merge of MethodFinder and MessagesName with
If you call (re)introducing #squeakToUtf8/#utf8ToSqueak instead of using
convertTo/FromEncoding: 'utf8', then yes.
In Squeak these methods avoid the creation of the TextConverter object if the
receiver is a ByteString, which is usually the case.
We do not want a process/system where one single person controls something
important.
- first it does not scale.
- second it is not good for the ecosystem feeling.
- third we got burnt in the past (remember 3.9 fonts problems - 3.9 was
shipped with bug because
we
excellent we spent the week-end (or the part allocated to code) chasing it.
Which image? version
We do not understand why fileIn has a problem when MethodReference get a real
timestamp.
Stef
Hi!
I can't load it. I've got an error: Instances of Timestamp are not indexable
Alexandre
I attached PharoDebug.log
Alexandre
PharoDebug.log
Description: Binary data
On 30 Aug 2010, at 09:12, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
excellent we spent the week-end (or the part allocated to code) chasing it.
Which image? version
We do not understand why fileIn has a problem when
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:57:47 -0700 Levente Uzonyi wrote
I don't like the magical #asString, but you should discuss it with
Andreas. Collection #ifEmpty: doesn't return nil, but the collection in
the WebClient-Pharo package (and in Squeak), and I think it's better than
nil.
I
Hi,
I'm currently working on a chapter about Sockets for the Pharo by example book.
I'm half way, though there is more material than what is on the pharo
collabor-active book.
It's a pitty, that pharo by example and the collaborative book aren't linked.
Any way, I'll be happy ot send what I
On 30 Aug 2010, at 15:35, jaayer wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:57:47 -0700 Levente Uzonyi wrote
I don't like the magical #asString, but you should discuss it with
Andreas. Collection #ifEmpty: doesn't return nil, but the collection in
the WebClient-Pharo package (and in
On Aug 30, 2010, at 4:00 07PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
On 30 Aug 2010, at 15:35, jaayer wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:57:47 -0700 Levente Uzonyi wrote
I don't like the magical #asString, but you should discuss it with
Andreas. Collection #ifEmpty: doesn't return nil, but the
Thanks
It skipped my radar since it is not marked as fixed.
do you want that I add you to the project developers on google so that you can
changed the tag value?
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 3:35 PM, jaayer wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:57:47 -0700 Levente Uzonyi wrote
I don't
Ok so I can close the ticket then.
:)
Stef
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:57:47 -0700 Levente Uzonyi wrote
I don't like the magical #asString, but you should discuss it with
Andreas. Collection #ifEmpty: doesn't return nil, but the collection in
the WebClient-Pharo package (and in
Johan Brichau wrote:
I am not a lawyer but as far as I understand this topic, no license
means nobody can use the code at all, which contradicts the fact of
having it in a public repository (and you being perfectly happy of
people using it).
IANAL. no license means it's public domain, so
My 2 cents about WebClient.
- it should be an (un)loadable external package, and i am fully agree
with Andreas on this point.
It is tempting to integrate it into image, do some tweaks here and
there and then ship it within a monolitic image.
But then, from maintainer's point of view, it is quite
*contents := (StandardFileStream fileNamed: 'loop_icon.jpg') contents.
encondedContents := (Base64MimeConverter mimeEncode: contents readStream) .*
That basically gives you the string you have to embed in a method...
Cheers,
Guille
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Alexandre Bergel
El lun, 30-08-2010 a las 13:06 +0200, Levente Uzonyi escribió:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say pharo library? reread
El lun, 30-08-2010 a las 18:25 +0300, Igor Stasenko escribió:
My 2 cents about WebClient.
- it should be an (un)loadable external package, and i am fully agree
with Andreas on this point.
It is tempting to integrate it into image, do some tweaks here and
there and then ship it within a
2010/8/30 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez miguel.c...@gmail.com:
El lun, 30-08-2010 a las 18:25 +0300, Igor Stasenko escribió:
My 2 cents about WebClient.
- it should be an (un)loadable external package, and i am fully agree
with Andreas on this point.
It is tempting to integrate it into image,
12120
-
- Fix for post enh of methodReference (remove timeStamp:. and related).
Sorry for the potential mess.
Stef
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Noury,
I would like a copy.
Bill
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Hello all,
I recalled seeing mention of the Linux vm's now supporting named ports, and I
found the code for that, at least in the vm. My understanding gets fuzzy as we
enter the plugin and primitives. At a minimum, there are a few ByName methods
to be added, and Squeak 4.1 contains open and
2010/8/30 Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez miguel.c...@gmail.com
El lun, 30-08-2010 a las 18:25 +0300, Igor Stasenko escribió:
My 2 cents about WebClient.
- it should be an (un)loadable external package, and i am fully agree
with Andreas on this point.
It is tempting to integrate it into
Hi all,
Just last week, I had a very strange phenomenon in my Pharo image: the return
character (^) was changed by an up arrow (see screenshot below).
I was not really able to reproduce the 'problem' but now we got a repeatable
one:
Just load the attached js file in a Seaside WAFilelibrary
A while ago I got the same with _
Stef
On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
Hi all,
Just last week, I had a very strange phenomenon in my Pharo image: the return
character (^) was changed by an up arrow (see screenshot below).
I was not really able to reproduce the 'problem'
thanks henrik
I always learn something :)
I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an
open-source one.
Why do you have to have your own library?
Did I say pharo library? reread carefully I said an open-source one.
What I get from Andreas' words is that
so what did you do?
I see that the file got removed... I will submit a bug issue for that with the
file attached.
The *real* problem is that you cannot remove it either! It does _not_ want to
go away!
On 30 Aug 2010, at 20:31, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
A while ago I got the same with _
It happens with WideStrings, you get the normal display with
ByteString instances.
To reproduce just print an expression like Character value: 1024 if
you can't type non-ascii characters on your keyboard.
Now, why the display changes I don't know either ...
Lukas
On 30 August 2010 20:31,
On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
so what did you do?
I see that the file got removed... I will submit a bug issue for that with
the file attached.
The *real* problem is that you cannot remove it either! It does _not_ want to
go away!
Oops! A bad spirit in pharo :)
On 30/08/2010 12:06, Levente Uzonyi wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Now
- since the license is unclear
- since the license of the contributors is unclear
we will not use it as an infrastructural assets for Pharo. I imagine
that Seaside will not use it either.
While some of the suggestions (AMQP, STOMP) were over my head, I'm in the
process of getting UbiquiTalk to work and already have rST going.
But, for my use case i.e. sending remote commands between (only) two images
on the same machine, why not just send the commands as strings over a
socket,
quote author=Torsten Bergmann
Maybe the license should be a
required field in Squeaksource for any new project.
/quote
Yes! /And/ *default to MIT.* Even though in this case Andreas chose other-than
MIT on purpose, how many projects are not MIT simply because the default is a
choice other than
Stef, Noury,
Thanks for doing this, and for the preview!
Sometimes being a good friend means getting tough, and it's time for that. You
are doing a great job of writing up how to create poorly designed socket
applications. They are poorly designed because of what we inherit from Squeak.
Hi Pharoers,
I'm happy to read mail from Torsten, Igor and Miguel, thank you guys
that's constructive.
Andreas expressed his point very well, and i don't think it is
hostile, maybe a bit sarcastic or disenchanted, but overall he keeps
the door opened.
The first thing to do is to cool down, relax
2010/8/30 Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr:
On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Johan Brichau wrote:
so what did you do?
I see that the file got removed... I will submit a bug issue for that with
the file attached.
The *real* problem is that you cannot remove it either! It does _not_
Stef, Noury,
Thanks for doing this, and for the preview!
Sometimes being a good friend means getting tough, and it's time for that.
You are doing a great job of writing up how to create poorly designed socket
applications. They are poorly designed because of what we inherit from
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr
wrote:
Stef, Noury,
Thanks for doing this, and for the preview!
Sometimes being a good friend means getting tough, and it's time for
that. You are doing a great job of writing up how to create poorly
On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
Hi Pharoers,
I'm happy to read mail from Torsten, Igor and Miguel, thank you guys
that's constructive.
Andreas expressed his point very well, and i don't think it is
hostile, maybe a bit sarcastic or disenchanted, but overall he keeps
the
Stef,
Where does one go to sign up? I am not certain that Alien is appropriate or
necessary to make a solid socket foundation, but I am certain that the existing
code is very sub-optimal and needs a real jolt. If we are serious about fixing
it (Linux, Windows and Mac), I am serious about
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 02:24:37PM -0400, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Hello all,
I recalled seeing mention of the Linux vm's now supporting named ports, and I
found the code for that, at least in the vm. My understanding gets fuzzy as
we enter the plugin and primitives. At a minimum, there
Your English does not suck as bad as Squeak's sockets framework :) I'm in too.
I can't do it all, but I can help and I can certainly set a high bar by
ensuring that it works across Linux and Windows and does not lock when the
network hardware loses power. Sockets are sufficiently fundamental
Dave,
It's not obvious to me that Pharo won't take strings, but it looks that way
because Squeak 4.1 has tests on type and by-name methods that are not in Pharo.
One thought I had was to file the class out of Squeak and into Pharo, perhaps
fixing _ vs. := and any other hassles that might
This mailing-list is a public space. There are web archives all over the places
and
people can post without been in it. I want to avoid personal emails exchange.
Now what should we run after him? Because the set up is like that no?
Because I'm extremely busy so nobody has the luxury not to be
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
This mailing-list is a public space. There are web archives all over the places
and
people can post without been in it. I want to avoid personal emails exchange.
Now what should we run after him? Because the set up is like that no?
Because I'm
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