for your input.
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi bioveging,
Todd spoke words of wisdom to me and helped me save about four
days, so I
went back and found the post. I had spent time and $$$ on the
bubble wash
method, but thought it to take too long for my
for a week or two to make sure that
the
methanol evaporates from it.
Teoman
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 September 2004 04:58
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Circulation with pump washing.
Hi bioveging,
Todd
As in Iraq, where women under Saddam made up over 50% of the daily
work force in all walks of the social structure; teachers, doctors,
architechs ect... but as soon as they got liberated these same
women under the US occupation now cannot leave home without an
escort and NEVER go out at
Rand McNally is a good source,and if you subscribe to the Flying J
free Newsletter they do occasionally put out a comparative chart
that has all States listed individually. Of course their goal is to
show how they are better than anyone else, but they do list the
costs ect... on an easy to
As has been stated many times here on the list, those ready-made
processors are not recommended for various safety and quality
reasons.
Better yet, build your own set up. 5,000lt/mth??? Running a fleet of
landscapers are we, or pehpas a full sized lorry ? That's a lot of
fuel for one person
OK, I tried the drill pump via the standpipe and returned it via the
water drain and that didn't give satisfactory results. I then tried
to hook up a Pony Pump and do the same thing with essentially the
same unresults, so I then had the brilliant idea of hooking up the
Pony Pump to the water
In Canada, the percentage of taxes allotted to the fuel you are
buying is posted at the bottom of the pump's window. Not that it
helps aleviate the fact that they are ripping us off, they just let
you know by how much.
I once saw a site where they had all States posted with the tax
The one many people here use, and is also the one I use, is found at
Northern Tools:
www.northerntool.com Item# 109955 It is 110V and 1/2HP. This is my
primary reactor pump. I am going to try out a Pony Pump from the
same place, Item# 109730, that I just got tonight as a wash pump and
filter
I believe you will find even though diesel may smoke somewhat more
than petrol that the actual emmissions are less toxic with standard
diesel than there are with petrol.
That said, yes there is a source near you where biodiesel can easily
be found, it is in your garage :) Learn to make your
Good catch Andrew. If memory serves me properly that is exactly the
way it is done with the 90 liter at JtF.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html
I have mine set up to be gradually introduced with air assist should
the check valve get finicky about opening. I have
.
Thanks for your time
-- original message --
Subject:[biofuel] Re: Pump Washing of biodiesel
From: bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 01st September 2004 7:9:3
The idea of methoxide mixing is to introduce it at a rythm that
will
ensure even distribution throughout
OK, I am no pro at this but even I can see a couple of points. Why
bring it up to 130C ? Did it need dewatering or was it just a
precaution? A sample test in a saucepan brought up to temp would
have confirmed it one way or the other.
I have made BD using some really crappy WVO which titrated
OK, http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html information,
tutorials, processor examples ect... Knock yourself out, there's
plenty to go through.
Helps people with zero knowledge learn to make top rate fuel in a
matter of days.
Have fun.
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, memimurillo
Now I have to find out just what it is going to take to get the
valve cover off the non-empty tank, with out turning my self into a
fireball.
In my case it would be a plumber with professinal knowledge of gas :)
This stuff scares me; it's great for the BBQ but can go boom way
too easily. Let
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Pump Washing of biodiesel
I think, as you rightly suggest, that my pump is too powerful
and that the
mixing is too violent.
Thanks for you input.
Regards
Dermot
-Original Message-
From: bioveging [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
That used to be for a Toyota ad, but it is now for how it feels when
you first tank up your vehicle with B100 and run it down the road
with that special knowledge that not only are you not poluting the
air and peoples' lungs but you are actually contributing to the
disposal of a nasty
Ok, girls and guys here it is. When I first set up a pre-heat tank I
did something stupid, I made the drain 1/2inch to accomodate the
already aquired garden hose tap. That was really dumb. The inside of
those taps are about 1/4inch and a 90* elbow at that, so if you have
even the slightest
First off, it wasn't personal, unless you count yourself as being in
the crowd of those so-called christians who have laboured hard and
far and wide to enable war, then yes, it is personal. And as for the
cop-out way judge not that ye be not juged was used I can only
add what the Apostle
As the owner of one of those old Mercedes, I can only say that
anyone who would treat their Benz with so much disrespect as to plop
SVO or filtered WVO into the tank doesn't understand the quality of
the machine nor do they deserve to have one.
Reputed as bullet proof, the MB is touted as one
As Keith does, so do I. I use plastic zip lock type bags. Your
concern about the indoor humidity can be overcome if you have a
decent air conditioner set with the outside air trap closed. In a
few hours the ambient air is fairly dry (drier in any case) as the
air conditioner wrings out the
Bonjour BD'ers. -that just popped into my head so I wrote it:)
Anyway, after having just completed my first ever 80 liter batch,
which, thanks to the in-built sample recovery mechanism, told me I
have good fuel via the quality test
(http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality) I
I am Christian, I do not support war, nor does Jesus support wars.
I do not support financially or morally any criminal national
interests at the cost of the lives and health of the world's
innocents. If the flag of country clashes with the banner of love
that flies over the kingdom of God,
Yup, only make it an HDPE-2 pail.
see http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#plastics for
what that means.
Bubble washing might be more difficult than stir washing, so if you
have a drill and a paint stirrer have at it and let it settle out
and do it again a couple more times until
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi all;
Something happened, somewhat by accident (comes with being
forgetful) that resolves the problem of the non-self priming
Clear
Water Pump that many of us are using.
As has been mentioned numerous, times they kinda
First off your 1 inch bushing won't seal it completely without a
whack of plumbing tape (the white stuff). Wherever they sell water
heaters they usualy also have conversion flnges for those who have a
square element and want to install a round screw in type, which is
what I did, twice, once
This is an .exe file that installs on your desktop or you can have
it open in a directory/folder.
Someone posted it here a while ago and I find that it is very useful
when I need to convey to people in the US volumes that I only have
in metric measurements.
Hey Al;
Welcome to the list. There are many models of procesors that all do
the job, it all depends on what your particular needs are.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html is where you
can several examples.
Personally I have opted for the Appleseed fumeless type processor,
Hi Kellen;
Some folks here have asked that same question a few times and it
seems that some people are having success with racetracks for bulk
methanol.
You might also want to check out paint stores or the Home/Lowes type
hardwares as well. $40 for 5gal (18.9liters) is a bit on the high
end.
Hi all;
Something happened, somewhat by accident (comes with being
forgetful) that resolves the problem of the non-self priming Clear
Water Pump that many of us are using.
As has been mentioned numerous, times they kinda suck, or actually
don't very well :), but that problem is now solved.
If you really want a bullet proof diesel engine, look into getting a
Mercedes.
I did, and I love it. :)
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Bill wrote:
I am concidering the purchase of a 1983 GMC Suburban Diesel. I'm
not
excactly sure of the
Home Hardware most probably has them. If you are setting up a water
heater based processor you might want to check to see if the element
used is a square one or a screw-in round one. I believe the 110V
ones are all round screw-in(I could be wrong on that) and if so then
there is also a
I processed a 40 liter batch after having made a successful test
batch and quality test
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality and the
result I got from the 40 liter batch was incomplete reaction due to
insufficient heat. It was the maiden voyage of my newly built
reactor
If you have not yet mounted the immersion heater, then why not just
mount it low enough right from the start? (heat rises)Only thing to
watch out for there is not to mount it so low that it will burn the
bottom of your poly tank, then a better solution would be to get a
metal one (about the
G'day.
I processed a 40 liter batch using my newly completed (minus
methanol recovery condenser) reactor based upon the Appleseed
design, http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html. I
added isolation of the reactor pump by installing a couple extra
valves, one right after the exit
Well, I have acquired a fairly decent electronic PH meter and re-did
my titration for what I believed to be better oil than my 10
gr/liter sludge, but to no avail. It seems my first readings with
the pocket meter were good. 10 gr/liter again ! Only this stuff
doesn't have lumps in it. No
Hense the need to support local small family farmers who can produce
sustainable crops in an earth friendly way (organic farming being
prefered here) reducing all those polutants and helping to support
sustainable farming at the same time.
Here, we buy from the organic farm first and foremost
Hola Jose;
Como dise Sr Keith, Uds puede encontrar toda la informacion que
quieres sobre la producion de biodiesel en el sitio
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html.
Mismo si mi Espanol no esta perfecto y si Uds tiene problemas a
comprender Ingles, talbez yo puedo intentar ayudarle
Hi Rob:
Don't know how you got those numbers, although the method is best
described here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#titrate and scroll
down to the Better Titration as well.
A sample of WVO (4ml)is placed in Isopropyl alcohol (40ml)and then
drops of 1% lye solution is
of
this
message by a third party or in case of electronic communications
as a result
of any virus being passed on.
- Original Message -
From: bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: [biofuel] From Sludge Oil to BD
.
Peter G.
Thailand
--- bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And THAT is one of great benefits of this list, the
mountainous
combined experience of it's members !
Thank you very much for your answer as it helps me a
great deal
knowing that I was not having a twilight zone
moment
.
Phil Bechtel
bioveging wrote:
My PH meter seems to be out of whack. Does this happen on any kind
of regular basis?
The new WVO I have is clearly better than the other lot I did
and
it is titrating even worse than the 10gr/liter batch and I do not
think this is possible so I
Well, I have completed my first batch other than a small test batch.
It was done with horrible oil, titrated to 10gr/liter and the batch
started life as a 20 liter batch and is now about a 15-16 liter
batch, maybe a little less. Loads of by-product which I will turn
into a degreasing soap, I
OK, I went ahead and attached a drill-pump to the wash tank
apparatus and will be using it as soon as I can get my first full
batch processed (80 liters). I already have one hooked up to the
drain of the Sean Park's Standpipe design
--- bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My PH meter seems to be out of whack. Does this
happen on any kind
of regular basis?
The new WVO I have is clearly better than the
other lot I did and
it is titrating even worse than the 10gr/liter batch
and I do not
think this is possible
Quality testing is explained here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality
The first wash water SHOUL be milky white as that is where the
greatest amount or residuals come out and then it gets clearer on
the second and should be clear by the third or fourth at the most.
That
Haven't had the time to check out this site yet, but it was on the
radio and I thought I would have a snoop. The URL is
http://www.greenfuels.org/ for a Canadian Biofuels thing.
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Josephine Wee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi. Keith
As a matter of curiosity,
OK, I am having no end of trouble locating a self-priming, non-
submersible pump that works for drawing water and doubling as a wash
pump for the BD, so the question is, Has anyone tried using a drill-
pump for washing a batch of BD , and if so how did it do ?
I read in one of Keith's posts that
I am sure that certain folks could put a product such as this to
good use. It is an in-line strainer for used oils to get
the chunks out, so if anyone is using a pump to get at their used
oil this seems to be something useful.Cheap too. US distributor
reputed to be bad with international
G'day Greg;
http://www.mscdirect.com/MSCCatLookup2.process?MSCProdID=60526142
has the pneumatics you are looking for. They are in the US, so if
that is where you are you can easily order them.
As far as filtering goes, and I could need a little guidance here
also, what I am going to do is,
When I was having this problem it came back to titration. I use a PH
meter as I have found that solutions and papers aren't doing it for
me, and so it takes a bit of getting used to but it works well.
Another important factor is the scale you are using. Does it zero
off the container you are
I have just completed another test batch with the re-titrated oil
and got a thin layer of by-product glycerine at the bottom of the
Masson jar.
Of course this may be attributed to the supplement of WVO I tossed
into the frey or it is residual from the first process or a
combination of both.
Actually the one I used for this test was open, but for what all
purposes is, outside. My full blown processor is completely closed
and fumeless, this is the pre-heat drum which had it's immersion
heater welded too high on the wall and I had to use a hotplate
(electric) and the heat died off
Is this a known factor and what are the volumes involved using
citric acid as a stabiliser? (I am one of those granola types)
Would a standard 20 or 60 liter tight head drum (poly)/carboy work
for storage using the citric? And we are refering to B100 right ?
thanks
L.
--- In
Zac;
All of those questions and more are listed at
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html. As an added bonus
it will instruct you in how to make your own, the ins, and outs,
what to and what not to do when brewing your own biodiesel from
either SVO (straight vegetable oil) or WVO
Good day;
I made a test batch of 20 liters the other day and when I checked
it for quality using the method described at journeytoforever
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality it
returned good fuel with clear and distinct seperation of unwashed
fuel in less than 30
Does anyone know if check valves have to be mounted horizontaly or
can they be plumbed vertically with the flow going downwards ? It is
for the methoxide delivery for the processor I built based upon G-
Mark's Appleseed Fumeless Processor
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html
Actually, in the US, Flying J truck stops HQ'd in Ogden Utah makes
it a pleasure to make available their pricing as compared to all
other competitors and if you send them an email they would most
welcome it, I am sure.
They are known to make this data available through their monthly
send out
And THAT is the reason why the Oz government taxes backyard BD
brewers. 0.93/liter ? Someone is making a bundle, wonder who THAT
could be ?
There is no valid reason that dino diesel would be more expensive than
regular petrol as it costs less to produce, although with all those
lories needing
I have re-reading the information at journeytoforever.org about
making quality fuel ect... as a refresher before setting out
to make my first 20 liter batch on the weekend.
The methoxide is mixing as we speak in a closed carboy sitting in a
cool dry place. It is the same oil I titrated for
Good day;
Having just finished installing the electricals on my reactor (water
heater) this weekend I thought I would pass along a potential risk
when converting these to 120V from their 240V original.
I don't know about most but the one I got had a square flanged
heating element and the 120V
You might want to look into a Detroit series 60 engine. They are not
recommended for buses in general because they are essentially a big
truck motor and a little more noisy, but the noise factor is really
the only consideration when they state that they are recommended.
The Detroit series 60
First off I know NOTHING about such things, although the idea of
going into a store that deals with kero stoves is good and you would
more than likely be able to simply buy a spare element and then
adapt it to your application, no ? Problemo solvo'd :)
Like I said, I know nothing about it but
Ah mais Robert, c'est formidable comment un message d'importance
peut etre dissimuler dans une etiquette, et tres apropos aussi.
(It's worderful how an important message can be camouflaged in a
label, and very timely also)
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you
Bad Gustl, bad bad bad. Whack you with a feather, Ha! Not to worry
we all do stuff like that and worse.
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hallo,
Please excuse my last post. It was meant to be a private mail
and I
had decided not
Don't remember who it was but there are also T-shirts out there with
similar appologies for the government of the US in several
languages for the American who finds him/herself traveling outside
the Empire.
Although, I for one, cannot see any applologies that can rightly do
the subject
Am I understanding the idea here correctly ? Prior to washing the
BD, after removing theglycerine layer, I can heat the BD to 150F and
recover the methanol from it ?
I know I can do this with the glyc layer, but I was not aware that
it was possible with the BD itself.
Thanks (the things one
Murky is normal. Chicken soup looking huh? It will break. The
emulsion is not good, probably incomplete reaction (as I have myself
been finding out).
It seems, and Todd or Keith or others in know please correct me if I
didn't get it, that titration is the key to the one stage process.
That
Keith, you should know that you are never a sucker for putting
something out that can help someone else, even though there is no
commercial profit in it for you.
Only those whose life is centered around profit see others who help
people for selfless gain as suckers' and needless to say these
OK,so I redid the titration and made another test batch of 500ml. The
seperation was alomost instant (under 30 minutes), and then I let it
settle for 13 hours (the glyc stayed semi liquid,Ha!) and then I took
a sample of unwashed BD and the same amount of water in a masson jar
and gave it the
Well, isn't that special. I get all set up to do the bubble wash as it
is the most touted and lauded way of doing things and NOW along comes
agitation and pumps. Goes to show that there really isn't any right
way of doing it huh? Otherwise all of this would have been CLEARLY
explained before in
should be your first hint that the reaction didn't
complete. Shiny and/or
beautiful are not indicators of completed reactions. Adjectives
of
emotional satisfaction, but not reaction completion.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel
The squeeky wheel gets the grease :) Thanks for the unraveling of my
confusion. I gotta do more work on the conversion process, although I
did follow everything to the letter; newbie not wanting to screw up
and all that, so I need to have a rethink about some of the variables.
L.
--- In
Gustl, you hit the nail on the head.Don't wait for anyone, expect
anything from anyone, and be prepared to be the only Martian on
your block :), but keep an eye out for other martians as they are
out there and you just might run into one or two or maybe not.
Do it because you know it's right,
Mark,
Try to find some used tractor trailer fuel tanks. They generally
hold about 2-300 gals per side and probaby have the right holes at
the right places, are designed to hold fuel oil and are not likely
to rot out. Or should a smaller version be desired there is always
used refer
A forum for all things Benz by category and year, experts on every
aspect of Benz mechanics ect...
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, CHRISTY BLAKELEY
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DUDE IT'S THE VACCUME PUMP. DO YOUR DOORS LOCK?---
Steven Pfaff [EMAIL
Ok, now I am confused. If I were to take the clear water pump for
mixing the reaction with and plumb it to circulate the wash, or use
another similar pump to do that I end up with better fuel ?
Whenever I have done the quality test after having followed the
procedure to the letter I always get
-
From: bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:25 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: washing biodiesel in large processor
Ok, now I am confused. If I were to take the clear water pump for
mixing the reaction with and plumb it to circulate the wash
Hmmm, 160 into 204 doesn't leave much room for the H2O huh? Good
catch, and thanks. Not being a whiz at much of anything, I
appreciate it when someone comes along and stops me from being my
own wost ennemy, so now I need to rethink my double batching thing
and perhaps stick to a single 100
Problem with those
http://www.joslebel.com/indiv_product_info.php?id=53catid=3
is that they are not completely air tight and the configuration might
cause uneven heat distribution which is why most processors are slim
rather than wide, as in the 90 liter one at journeytoforever
Tomatoes, unlike most vegetables (they are actually a fruit)
increase in nutritional value as you cook them, so if you want a
simple solution that will help preserve their taste and nutritional
value try freezing UNWASHED overnight in the deep freeze, then remove
them and run them under tepid
http://www.irmep.org/essays/ksa.htm
L.
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Far beit for me to wizzle in your corn flakes, BUT, there is
documented proof that the US government had contemplated the use of
aircraft as bombs a long time ago.
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/shockedcloak6,3,02.htm
http://www.geraldplessner.com/articles/article.cgi?doc=20040422165204
4th
Also, it is true that NORAD had standing orders to intercept all
wayward aircraft and that that had been Standard Operating Procedure
(SOP) since the 70's rash of skyjackings;
The FEMA Intercept Regs about scambling within minutes of an off
course airliner:
G'day;
Having pretty much completed my processor and also having found a
nice home for it, I have a question for those in the know.
I am set up for a single batch lot or with a spare drum I can send
tghe finished process to a settling tank and straight away fire up
another one. The question
Good day Colin, and welcome to the list. You will find all the
information you need to make BD in small or large quantities at
http://www.journeytoforever.org , the site attached to this list.
There are numerous very competent people here that can help you with
any further questions you will
Well Phil, don't feel too too left out, or too singled out either.
When I went around getting contacts for my soon to be BD production
and I asked if I could have some of their waste oil it was as though
the concept was not just foreign but downright alien. They did
authorise me to help myself
Well, Todd, it seems that some folks don't understand, or don't want
to understand, that if a house is built on silt and quicksand it
will soon crumble. Duh. So it is apparent that any information used
as foundation for an argument or testative point and that that
foundation information is
The most daming piece of evidence in the reading-about-goats video
is, as was pointed out on an alternative news site, the fact that
the Secret Service did NOTHING.
Never mind what Bush's twisted sense of what the media have passed
off as christianity is, it is the express raison-d'etre of the
Wrong! The plane that Bush was told about was the SECOND plane, and
not the first, so by then it was a known that the country was under
attack. The aircraft had been off course for over an hour at this
point and it is ONLY the President who can give a shoot down order,
so he was at the very
Perhaps my post # 36427 can shed some light of it. :)
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Randall,
I'm also from Michigan, doesn't mean I blindly accept the
opinion of
everyone who speaks here.
That goes ditto for me as well, especially when folks
In spite of all the positive reviews about Farenheit 911, there is
one or two major flaws in it. First off, the positive is that it
exposes the Bush regime and is any-war, although it points tghe
finger at Saudi as the main culprits behind 9-11, and there is NO
verifiable evidence to make
Being 50 this year and having only learned the British imperial
measurement system at school it was a challenge when I first shipped
over to Australia where the metric system was already in place (at
home they were just starting to convert), so I had to learn it or
run around in the dark.
I think you will find Marko, that the best method isone that you
feek comfortable with, but as far as getting a good, reliable
education on how to go about it journeytoforever.org's site is there
just for that, as well as this list.
Many people, over a period of time, have put together their
Methanol comes with numerous names attached.Perhpas looking for
one of the other synonyms may yield better results.
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/ME/methyl_alcohol.html
Under General is the list of all the synonyms that methanol can
be found under.
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith
G'day;
Although no computer is 100% secure while connected to the
information highway, which was designed to allow FREE FLOW of
information until the anti-free-flow people got involved, it is
possible to reduce the risks.
In the case of Windows which is stil the most widely used, a good
Having come to nearing the completion of my processor, based upon G-
Mark's Fumeless design,
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html
Sean Park's Standpipe Wash Tank
http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333) and a
couple of personal mods all enclosed in a
You could try sanctimonious idols :)
L.
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Gustl, Pan and all
You're right Gustl, English in a global forum is a minefield, and
the
language translation sites don't help much. Anyway, you're not the
only one - I
Ah, but Robert (French accent required), you do the subject so much
justice. Indeed, how does one seperate the motivating power of one's
beliefs into a mere philosophy or obscure opinion?
Most of the world's great religious beliefs teach caring for others
as for one's self, and this overflows
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