Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyprotection for OSM based material

2011-11-25 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: 3. CC-BY-SA indeed does not require that you publish the useful source data. (ODbL does.) I honestly doubt that ODbL will achieve this. For example, if someone decides to use some convoluted tagging system

Re: [OSM-talk] Barriers of Entry

2011-09-14 Thread Nic Roets
Barriers to entry are good when they prevent us from doing some thing bad. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, there are many different types of barriers. There are of course those we tag with barrier, the physical ones. They are used to keep

[OSM-Talk-ZA] September Gauteng meetup

2011-08-31 Thread Nic Roets
Hello, I'm holding a meetup in Centurion in September: Place: Butcher Brothers, Centurion Lake It's a 1km walk from the Gautrain Station. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-25.855983mlon=28.187862zoom=18layers=M Time Date: The first person to confirm can pick a date. The date must be before

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-12 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: And as for the OSMF, I cite www.osmfoundation.org with The OpenStreetMap Foundation is an international not-for-profit organization supporting, but not controlling, the OpenStreetMap Project. It is dedicated to encouraging

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-12 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: On 12.08.2011 11:46,  Florian Lohoff wrote: Up to now the pre-CT mappers have not even asked if a license change should happen at all, and WHICH license be switched to. May I remind you a litte bit on the history

Re: [OSM-talk] alternative to navit on windows CE

2011-08-11 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Tanveer Singh tanveer1...@gmail.com wrote: I was looking at an OSM routing application(offline routing) like navit. Tried navit, but its not stable, does not even start on my windows CE device, and support forum is inactive. I was wondering if there are other

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-10 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:50 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: PD data does not need a complicated and binding CT as the current one. True. But PD is forward compatible with the CTs. For example, we did not need to ask the upstream authors of TIGER to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-10 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: Guess what - I dont trust the OSMF - In the past the OSMF has decided +1 But when you contribute under an open license, you must make peace that some downstream users will use it in some unintended ways. For example the spirit of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-09 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:53 PM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: OSM is still CC-BY-SA and it seems that that won’t change soon. ** Gert, if you are so sure of that, open a new account and use that instead. At the very least you will still be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-09 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 08:03:16PM +0200, Nic Roets wrote: Gert, if you are so sure of that, open a new account and use that instead. At the very least you will still be contributing to osm and any forks that may occur. He said

Re: [OSM-talk] Hitting reset on talk-au

2011-07-13 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Richard is a calm, thoughtful, intelligent guy who listens to people and tries to create a fun, global, human environment for our project. +1 Steve has made one post making a considered overview of an ugly situation

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-24 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: On 23 June 2011 16:52, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: It's much closer to what's been happening in the Arab States this year: There are at least two big difference between revolutions in the Maghreb

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Uh huh. So I suppose if there were a successful plebiscite in a country wanting to change their form of government from presidential to parliamentary (or vice versa) then that's a rotten thing unless the winning side

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: ... and hope that we have enough time to do this before any purging of data begins! Jaakko, I really want to know when that will occur (purging without resurveying within a reasonable time frame). The LWG said

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-18 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Russ, It is very seldom that a democracy will make the best decisions. Winston Churchill said The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. But democracy has real motivational benefits in an information society. In our case, users will be more

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-14 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com wrote: Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at that time) There has been similar polls by the community during that time with similar results. Both (the vote and the poll) show a large majority in

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

2011-06-12 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: On 11/06/2011 10:02 AM, Nic Roets wrote: Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal. Dermot, I would quite like to take my data and start my

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

2011-06-12 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: The code is the law, http://www.lessig.org/content/standard/0,1902,4165,00.html and we need to change the code so that these discussions about licensing and all that are less important. If it was easy,

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: The OpenStreetMap Foundation is an international not-for-profit organization supporting, but not controlling, the OpenStreetMap Project. This statement is really wishful thinking on the part of the OSMF. By virtue of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread Nic Roets
Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal. Dermot, I would quite like to take my data and start my own PD / CC0 project. So by simply matching my new license to the conditions set by the OSMF, I would be voting yes in your

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Because trademark law is a different and parallel universe to copyright law. I am not a lawyer, but I'll explain it a little bit. Trademark law only restricts what you can do to sell your product or otherwise attract

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Speeds in OSM

2011-05-13 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Renier, I believe there is a rather complicated proposal on the OSM wiki. It tries to model the European situation were streets inside cities have very low speed limits. Personally I think this proposal is much too difficult to implement and I would rather see global defaults for each

Re: [OSM-talk] FAQs from help.osm.org

2011-05-06 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Lambertus o...@na1400.info wrote: On 06-05-11 02:09, Grant Slater wrote: And routing on osm.org? / Grant Would be awesome and is already possible for a while. See:

Re: [OSM-talk] FAQs from help.osm.org

2011-05-06 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 06/05/11 19:31, Nic Roets wrote: I really want to avoid the delays that another round of discussion and eventual hardware purchases will bring. So I'm willing to pay for hosting on Amazon during a trial period

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I dispute point 1, if anything the project is German-centric if you look at the depth and quantity of data? Steve, he was talking about language, not geographical dominance. You can't argue that English is dominant.

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: ... one of the best open source projects. I rejected the CTs because I felt the OSMF* was out of touch with the community. Your statement just reaffirms that. *: I make no distinction between the board and the people they

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-04 Thread Nic Roets
I think OSM can be great, but it still has a very long way to go. Let's look at some of the best open source projects: 1. Linux: Dominates the server market and will soon dominate the smartphone market. 2. Apache: Dominates web servers. 3. Firefox: For a very long time they were miles ahead of

[OSM-talk] When advertising is good

2011-05-03 Thread Nic Roets
One or two people on the list said that they avoid advertising where ever they can. I know advertising can be annoying when the same add appears 10 times in a row, but I just want to explain a few things. Let's look at the example of a restaurant that is working below capacity. It can be because

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-05-01 Thread Nic Roets
Elizabeth, I don't see David's comments as constructive. Terms like consulting the community is quite vague and Steve has said that many of his prior efforts to consult the community end in flame wars. Now let me give it a try: I think the OSMF should make (more) use of polling. Not for

Re: [OSM-talk] question for folks working on routing engines

2011-04-15 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Richard, Gosmore looks at maxspeed and tracktype. I did not use surface, because I am under the impression that it is possible to drive fast on properly maintained dirt roads in dryer regions. Regards, Nic On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: this

Re: [OSM-talk] We Need to Stop Google's Exploitation of Open Communities

2011-04-11 Thread Nic Roets
Let's not loose sight of a few facts / trends w.r.t. sub Saharan Africa: 1. The continent is not experiencing the same demographic dividend as other emerging economies. Birthrates will remain high for at least another 50 years. AIDS is decimating the economically active population.

Re: [OSM-talk] April fools that should have been

2011-04-02 Thread Nic Roets
Steve and Hurricane announce the birth of their daughter Ivory. On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: * Replace OSM front page with google maps * HOT announce zombie apocalypse response team * OSM made official royal wedding map Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Thread Nic Roets
One more argument in Pieren's favour: OSM is not for profit. On Slashdot a court case was recently mentioned where the judge ruled in favour of a non profit who copied a complete article from a copyrighted journal. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:07 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2011 00:59, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: One more argument in Pieren's favour: OSM is not for profit. On Slashdot a court case was recently mentioned where the judge ruled in favour of a non profit who

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Bloemfontein tracing

2011-03-29 Thread Nic Roets
A quick look with JOSM reveals that Bing seems to be perfectly aligned to the uploaded traces. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:54 PM, yme...@gmail.com wrote: Nic, Is there a known shift that should be applied to the bing imagery for Bloem? Regards, Paul On 29 March 2011 19:04, Nic Roets nro

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples of OSM used in Transport Planning?

2011-03-27 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Mikel, Most of your examples concerns the day to day planning done by individuals. But my guess is that the conference concerns long term planning by authorities, esp. infrastructure. There is an open source software package called MATSIM that predicts congestion and traveling times.

Re: [OSM-talk] City with completed housenumbering?

2011-03-23 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Matthias, I'm working quite hard on the house numbers of Pretoria (South Africa). I guess I collect a similar number of houses (around 22,000 numbers) since starting 2 months ago. But I admit my quality will be much lower. I just visit the 2 endpoints of each street and then use

[OSM-Talk-ZA] OSM Meeting 26 March ?

2011-03-11 Thread Nic Roets
... Today's Topics: 1. Local meetups in Africa (Matthias Mei?er) 2. Re: Local meetups in Africa (Nic Roets) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:49:25 +0100 From: Matthias Mei?er dig...@arcor.de To: talk-za

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-05 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Antony Pegg anttheli...@gmail.com wrote:  - We've already discovered highway=bridleway not included - we've updated Hello Ant, Considering how weak the standardization processes inside OSM is, you should considered prior art:

Re: [OSM-talk] Any process on website usability?

2011-02-27 Thread Nic Roets
Gert, I think you should have tagged it as sarcasm, not irony. In that case, I think there is a lot of truth in what you are saying. On a slightly more constructive note, I would like to remind everyone that it is possible to fork the rails and / or embed Potlatch and a few other tricks. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-19 Thread Nic Roets
Let me just explain what I see as the major performance bottleneck with and API implementation: Disk seeks. A typical computer can perform a million calculations while waiting for the disk to fetch a few bytes. So a good data structure that can answer most map (bbox) calls with a single disk seek

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 2:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: This is getting crazy. Exhibit 1: http://twitter.com/#!/maproomblog/status/39053538692698112 Whoever imported CanVec in Aylmer, Quebec obliterated hours of work and introduced hundreds of errors. #osm

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcement: Availability of True Offset web service

2011-02-18 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Dermot and Steve, Perhaps one solution would be to make a tool that downloads a few reference tiles in the target area and then store the MD5 signatures. Subsequent runs of the tool will check the hashes and generate beeps, emails or tweets asking a human to check the offsets. And the tool

Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

2011-02-15 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Ivan, I use a number of apps. I customize my home screen, so it's very fast to switch between them. For recording tracks, I use My Tracks (a Google product, very mature). For recording house numbers I made my own app. (I'm currently adding 150 new addresses each day, nearly a thousand if

Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

2011-02-15 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Andrew Gregory andrew.greg...@gmail.com wrote: and usability, and by adding OpenStreetBugs support (which needs network comms). I've been using OpenStreetBugs as my online POI database of things to survey. It probably wouldn't take too much work to create

Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

2011-02-15 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:42 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 15:24 +0200, Nic Roets wrote: And for view the map I use the unreleased (still in development) version of Gosmore. Nic, Do you mean gosmore on android, or gosmore on CE?  If you mean android

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-05 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Serge, I hope Richard convinced you that my intentions was purely to further the debate and not to attack anyone. It is however not the point of this email... On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Nic, Richard has a long history with this community of

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Nic Roets
Steve, Another thing that Bing can help us with is determining address ranges of roads. For example, when you spider the web and find references to 5, 20 and 48 Lion Street, Pretoria, then it may help the user who is mapping that street. Perhaps it's a cul de sac and now he doesn't need to travel

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1 address per website

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim updates

2011-01-28 Thread Nic Roets
For me, reverse lookups are completely wrong right now. (I haven't tried forward lookups). And the status indication on nominatim.openstreetmap.org is blank. So I figure he's doing a DB rebuild or something. http://osm.org/?lat=-25.797306lon=28.289618zoom=18

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] House numbers in Pretoria and Johannesburg ETA 2012

2011-01-27 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 25 January 2011 16:23, Anton Damhuis antondamh...@cybersmart.co.za wrote: What phone at Game are you referring to? I have been looking at getting a new phone with GPS, and R1000.00 seems reasonable to pay.

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] House numbers in Pretoria and Johannesburg ETA 2012

2011-01-25 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 25 January 2011 16:23, Anton Damhuis antondamh...@cybersmart.co.za wrote: What phone at Game are you referring to? I have been looking at getting a new phone with GPS, and R1000.00 seems reasonable to pay.

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-07 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: Recently I encountered a CSI-style mystery.  Why was the Skobbler lady (OSM Nav based) telling people to go jump off of so many bridges?   An inspection showed that the bridges were joined to the interstate highway below, but many

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-07 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: Mike, please don't blame the bot. Ungluing a node an just leaving it there, is really looking for trouble. Some routing engine(s) glue nodes together that are less than a few centimeters from each other. Now you may want to

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-05 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: -If you look at Android from the view point of the end user or the hacker, it's quite closed. DRM, binary drivers, and the mobile operators occasionally blocking tethering applications. However, independent

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Note that that there will also be some folks that have a Nokia phone because they're open souce nuts and use a Maemo-linux Nokia phone. AFAIK Maemo, Palm's Webos and Android are all about the same

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it;     http://bit.ly/ii3cKg Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open source nuts or if

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2010-12-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On 30/12/2010 22:50, Diego Woitasen wrote: Yes, we'll map the restrictions. I reviewed the local law and sometimes you can turn

Re: [OSM-talk] Turn left restriction on two way highways

2010-12-29 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Diego, Are left turns prohibited for the majority of junctions where two residential roads cross each other ? Are left turns prohibited even at the majority of residential T junctions ? I know it may look like a lot of work adding all the no_left_turns, but it's the right way. Having

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM

2010-12-01 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:07 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be used

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: hi, i walk a lot, and would like a routing engine which understands i can take a direct route across an open public space, such as a park, without needing a footpath to be explicitly drawn in. the existing routing

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: hi, i walk a lot, and would like a routing engine which understands i can

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Tracing

2010-11-26 Thread Nic Roets
I must say, I haven't seen an open community this excited about an MS announcement since ... umm .. forever ! On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.orgwrote: I suspect that if legal had decided it was unacceptable, Bing wouldn't have released the statement in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Google expands their map data

2010-11-13 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:54 PM, S Omeone someonew...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven't seen this mention before and I thought it might be of some interest here. Since sometime last year Google no longer used TeleAtlas for their map data in the USA but instead created their own map data.

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

2010-10-24 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: contributors, core developers, authors, etc. are still in Germany, the UK and other countries of Western Europe, As an outsider to the bidding and selection process, I think that hosting it in the US

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

2010-10-24 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 24/10/2010 09:40, Nic Roets wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: contributors, core developers, authors, etc. are still in Germany, the UK and other

Re: [OSM-talk] New: Mobile Map for Android and iPhone

2010-10-22 Thread Nic Roets
Somewhere in the (firefox?) documentation of geolocation, they hint at the possibility of turn-by-turn navigation. Which caused me to think what other GPS or vehicle tracking applications can be written as web apps. For example, a friend of mine with a sailing boat (yacht) is always worrying that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Question

2010-10-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Kevin Sharpe kevin.sha...@btinternet.comwrote: I posted these questions to the Forum and it was suggested that I try here; We wish to add to OSM data relating to electric vehicle charge point locations and capabilities. However, it is not clear to me

Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

2010-10-15 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:07:56 +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote: Making the perfectly rendered map available to the world is *not* a mission goal for the OSMF. The OSMF is primarily responsible for

Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

2010-10-15 Thread Nic Roets
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600 SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted multiple times. Ignore him. That is untruthful. I'm afraid that Steve is

Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

2010-10-06 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? It may remove a conflict of interest problem

Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

2010-10-06 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:  On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and MapQuest [was Hurricane hits MapQuest]

2010-10-05 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: On 5 Oct 2010, at 00:38, Nic Roets wrote: On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: So, is it possible for Mapquest to generate aggregate information on what name searches people

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and MapQuest [was Hurricane hits MapQuest]

2010-10-04 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: So, is it possible for Mapquest to generate aggregate information on what name searches people are doing and how often they find the result they wanted?  The latter is not something you can measure directly, but you can see

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/10/2010 05:51, Brendan Morley wrote: I actually investigated the use of public domain principles - however Australian copyright law does not allow it.  The best we can do is a CC BY with zero attribution.  If

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there any other projects in a similar fork situation? (Slightly OT)

2010-10-02 Thread Nic Roets
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: From what I understand, it appears that OSM is cutting ties with many of these due to the wording of the new license/CT. That's totally wrong.

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?

2010-09-29 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 29.09.2010 11:50, schrieb Elizabeth Dodd: This belongs back on talk with a new header. OSM states that it is a free map, free to edit and free to use Whether the database should contain imported stuff, traced

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?

2010-09-29 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 29 September 2010 11:26, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously there are many exceptions to your rule, like the TIGER import. Nic, local example... Durban South Africa, we imported a dataset, the few

Re: [OSM-talk] Measuring the OpenStreetMap Economy

2010-09-23 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:05 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Once you have the criteria of what goes in to the measuring pot of the OSM economy you further have large error bars on the data for each thing. For example, are those freelancers going to tell you what kind of money they're

[OSM-Talk-ZA] SFD report back

2010-09-21 Thread Nic Roets
Interview by letstalkgeek : http://www.letstalkgeek.net/2010/09/sfd-inteview-open-street-maps/ ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Donald Campbell II donaciano2...@gmail.com wrote: So if you visit lots of places in ?outback? Australia, you get to open and close the gates as you go. The gate should be closed, and you are free to pass, but have to open the gate, pass the boundary and close

[OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-19 Thread Nic Roets
Hello, I see a lot of frustration with routing not working when there are gates involved. In particular when the gate is in the middle of a public road (residential). This is because a gate with no access tags implies that nothing can go through. By contrast, most highway types let some type of

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: It's probably just as well the wiki documents, not defines. And given the vast preponderance of highway=gate nodes within (say) highway=footway ways, the wiki docs look pretty unambiguously wrong. So to obtain a

Re: [OSM-talk] Exceeded API bandwidth limit, now what?

2010-09-14 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: Is there any interest here in publishing the OSM API via tile-like URLs? For example, being able to make a request like this to pull a chunk of bounded XML cached out of the OSM API:        

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes generally

2010-08-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.auwrote: On a similar topic... What is the problem with duplicate nodes, exactly? They are created when you import data from a source that does not use our way-node model, esp. when the import is done in stages, e.g. at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes generally

2010-08-30 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/30 Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com: Or you are not supposed to route over them. My routing engine merge those nodes during the compile phase and then does route over them. and how does it determinate

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:12 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes it is true that it is a contract. It is contructed this way to make sure that internationally everyone gets the same deal. European Union has the Database Directive but most other

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anyway I hear there's an excellent group of people planning a continuity fork so any data OSM cannot continue to use would be safe with them. A fork will be a very bad thing. Even if the users are split 80-20, there

Re: [OSM-talk] click-your-route wanted

2010-08-27 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Peter, I have made my own branch of YOURS for the Osm.org Routing Demo[1]. I fixed many issues. You can get a source tarball[2] from my site. [1]:

Re: [OSM-talk] Directions API available on OSM data

2010-08-27 Thread Nic Roets
First you need to ask When will they support routing outside Europe / the UK ? On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: Ant, Do you know how often will the data be updated? Cheers, Julio Costa OpenStreetMap Chile

Re: [OSM-talk] Useful changeset comments are useful.

2010-08-24 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: There are a lot of things that could be added to a changeset. For instance, a useful changeset comment is a simple and obvious way to cooperate with other mappers. http://ow.ly/2u0IQ This this ?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license for business: meh

2010-08-22 Thread Nic Roets
I can't speak for Chris, but you don't make me nervous because you're quite open and you don't drive any issues that may have business implications. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I'm sort of sick of allegations that what I say and do in the

Re: [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: Let's keep the Talk-List clean from Legal discussions. Anybody is welcome to join it on Legal-talk. Sorry, but I've seen those kind of invitations, too. I'm not subscribed to Legal-talk and have no interest in the

Re: [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.auwrote: Um, what happened in October 2008? If you look at the percentage change in US GDP and you compare it to the 1800s and the early 1900s, then you will come to the conclusion that nothing happened. The economic

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-19 Thread Nic Roets
Steve, I'm trying to be on your side. But as chairman of the OSMF board, you really need to pick your words better. By saying which every rational person I know thinks is the best step forward - the ODbL, you are implying that a lot of people are irrational. I see that your company recently

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-17 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Could perhaps someone add a Marker-Permalink-Link on the map? Would increase the usability a *lot*! :-) Ummm, Patches Welcome ? ;-) We have something better: The routing demo allows manipulation of multiple

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Software Freedom Day 2010 Pretoria

2010-08-17 Thread Nic Roets
, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 16 August 2010 16:01, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: There is also this map: http://openmtbmap.x-nation.de/maps/africa/mtbsouth_africa_and_lesotho.exe My personal preference is: (German but easy enough to navigate) http

[OSM-Talk-ZA] Software Freedom Day 2010 Pretoria

2010-08-16 Thread Nic Roets
We've been invited back to software freedom day and I said yes. It's on 18 September at the Department of Science and Techonology on the CSIR campus. http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Africa/SouthAfrica/Pretoria David Richfield offered to run a Wikipedia stand / stall / booth. A local

Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Tagging in the Table Mountain National Park

2010-07-23 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Bryan, I would tag them as motorcar=private because it will tell me that (some) motorcars can physically go there, but only after being granted permission. But the wiki and the international community are now using the access tags much more to reflect the legal status. This makes it

Re: [OSM-talk] visualizing relation on gosmore

2010-07-21 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Sergio, I made a small change to the rebuild process that should solve it: When a route relation has a 'ref', all ways belonging to it will have that ref string appended to their string data. So now you can search for that ref, it will appear many times, and after you select it, all ways

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