[TruthTalk] The door to understanding

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean,JD I figure you were thinking of Prover

[TruthTalk] The door to understanding

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance obviously has a very active and prolific imagination David. I have disagreed with youabout a point or two and have yet to receive even a hint of "veiled threats or warnings" Apparently we live in two different dimensions (Lance and I, that is) judytFrom: "David Miller" [EMAIL

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
No, "anyone" is not included - only those who come with the right heart attitude. God hides things from the "wise and prudent" and reveals them to babes. judyt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume you to be using say/mean synonymously, Dean? Anyone can open the bible in order to see

[TruthTalk] The door to understanding

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
that BSF will not agree? By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult is not going to fly. jd l message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Amen Dean, JD I figure you were think

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:49:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Every single item on the list is an argued belieffrom either you or Judy Taylor. You don't like it because when it is all put together, it is rather embarrassing. The "cult" thingy is written all ofver

Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Ppl didn't have to sin "before the cross" either JD. Otherwise Jesus would not have told the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you" We are ignorant of these things because we cling to mens doctrines that do not equate sin with destruction and death

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

2006-02-15 Thread Judy Taylor
out her, it is about her doctrine. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure it does David. They always have a waiting list so are pretty strict about attendance and they will drop ppl who miss too many meetings. When I had to go to Australia I coul

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment

2006-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally "judged by fire" Yes He is merciful and longsuffering but even God haslimits; also we are to adjust to His understanding gentlemen since we are the ones in need ofa

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment

2006-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
f sin before you get to them is clearly lost afterwards.You, my dear, are the new Judyizer !! jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like neither of you have read the prophets, or books in the Bible such as Lamentations where God's own ppl are literally &qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Which God?

2006-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you looking for a fortune teller Lance? My guess would be that some are inhabited by religious spirits rather than the Holy One and that doctrines of men have blinded their eyes while giving them a false peace which tells them that walking in God's ways and striving to enter the narrow

Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

2006-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
.Amen Dean, JD I figure you were thinkingofProverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you say below ie: "in the multitude of counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or the Biblical text as you call it. Theyall say the same thing by the

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Judgment

2006-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
O DIFFERENCE !! I have a different definition of grace than you do JD. For me it is not a cloak for sin - it is the ability through the power of the cross to overcome sin. Grace gives us the power to do as we should and to love the unlovely.. -- Original me

Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.

2006-02-13 Thread Judy Taylor
ONLY when they consistently walk in the light as He is in the light .. On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:32:34 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [*in JCsjudgement, hisbrethren bothalready do have] will have happiness beyond understanding -- On Sun, 12 Feb 2006

[TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit.

2006-02-13 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance, the problem it appears is with your definition of "believer" As to the assumption below - I for one would say YES. Believers have certain fruit in their lives and it is not the kind you describe here. From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David: Am I to assume that YOU would be

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-31 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]I don't think you are hearing us properly David. WE/I am saying thatChrist did not appear in our heathren state-He appeared in the state we areafter salvation not before salvation. As a born again believer I have fleshand blood I can choose to sin-but

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-31 Thread Judy Taylor
-- From: "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I invite you to read again Peter's sermon in Acts 2. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org C

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-31 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]I don't think you are hearing us properly David. WE/I am saying thatChrist did not appear in our heathren state-He appeared in the state we areafter salvation not before salvation. As a born again believer I have fleshand blood I can choose to sin-but

Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-31 Thread Judy Taylor
It's not and what's more you can be "as you say" assumed and still be unhealed. Every worldly person is not headed for heaven Megohmrod or whoever you are. Nothing is written in the flesh of your heart that you don't accept and embrace ie: Love Him and do what he says - which of course

Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-31 Thread Judy Taylor
How very deceiving ... No, Jesus is the covenant and we get in on it if invited ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:19:45 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: Typical Augustinian response by way of Calvin.I readhim as saying: Why should one fear God because we are in the

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
You major on the minors Bill because this is of paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence. "For ye see your calling brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
ters. 1. 'Flesh and blood gospel'. 2. The 'Kingdom He came to declare.' Amen to the former and, we ARE participating in the latter. Even if by mistake Judy, thanks! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

[TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill you have a Greek gospel because your faith rests in Gk words .. I wonder, are allGreeks saved?? Jesus Christ is who His Own Word says he is whether or not orthodoxy agrees and whether you see it or not. Right nowyou are attempting to validate the pronouncements oforthodoxy which is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
wer over sin. Jesus came to do good and to heal all who are oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. Funny wording that - you would think the apostle would have said "for he was fully man and fully God". - Original Message - From: Judy Tay

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
e so negligent about the sperm of David and the incarnation? Because he was not addressing heretics. Bill From: Judy Taylor On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:32:56 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: His death was the victory not His life.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
with the Seed having a spiritual element, Judy, but that is not the issue, is it? Do you deny that Jesus' "flesh body"is of the genetic material of Abraham and David? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
What subject is that? I don't see anything written here by G so I am not sure what subject you are on. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:35:07 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? From: Judy Taylor I

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
dy. Do you believe the same? From: Judy Taylor He does not have a human father Bill; he was fathered by the Holy Spirit and the family he was born into is that of Abraham/David. Why are you so adamant about what you can not possibly know. He was born h

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
ng of the Messiah. It is a shame that you make Him to be something less than what He and the scriptures claim !!! jd -- Original message ------ From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] No; my belief is that Jesus was fathered in the womb

Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
other!!!).Her church leadership and those at BSF would escort her to the door if they knew she wasteaching such error.A real shame. jd -- Original message ------ From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You major on the minors Bill because this

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
jd Making Him unnecessary?? I don't know what is going on in your head JD but itdefinitely has nothing to do with anything I am speaking of.. and a carnal bloodline has nothing to do with anything. The blood of the eternal covenant is where it is at.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
't mean blood. Flesh(as in theflesh of Christ) doesn't mean flesh. Son of God doesn'tmean He isDeity. Son of Man doesn't meanhe is Man. And how do we know all this? Judy Taylor !! She is the one (and the only one) who makes the necessary connections in scripture and presents us the &qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
JD writes: Dean, do you accept a difference between what one is , ontologically speaking, and what one does? I do. That "he was made to be like us in every respect" is a statement of the essence of His being. He can not possibly be same as us in the

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
don't have an answer?The text says "for God was WITH him". On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:34:14 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Why was he so negligent about the sperm of David and the incarnation? Because he was not addressing heretics. BillFrom: Judy Taylor On Sun, 29 J

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:25:06 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, Dean, I have been repeating myself --and thisbecause neither of you have adequately addressed my concerns; instead, you are always wont to change the subject.Moreover, I have not seen much yet to suggest

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ, the Root and the Offspring of David

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
Atonement for starters. By the way, thanks for being honest. This should clarify any confusion Dean may have had about being in agreement with you in regards to Christ being a geneticdescendent of David et al. Bill ---From: Judy Taylor No; my belief is that Jesus wa

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:07:06 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That does not surprise me. I did answer the question. Paul was not addressing a challenge against Jesus' humanity. That heresy sprang up later. John addresses it. No

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:00:07 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD writes: Dean, do you accept a difference between what one

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-30 Thread Judy Taylor
The Col passage for what it tells us about the mission of Christ; the Gal passage for making it clear just exactly where our blesssings lie (within Christ). Anyway -- thanks to those who offered a contribution. jd -- Original message --

[TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
ns to contest her point of view. She is a woman and, peer to many who don't like what she is doing. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 28, 2006 11:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech Are you intimating

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't think so Lance; I see you as the one with the eye problems. You come across on TT as one withoverweening pride but the reality is that you are someone with very low self esteem. You appear to haveassurance but it is not the assurance that comes through abiding in Him and having

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
Hmmm - I'd be interested to go back two thousand years - wonder how John the Baptist or even Jesus Himself would fare in your economy Lance? Ask yourself what it is in you that seeks to malign God's servants and take a strong stand in favor of the enemies of all righteousness? On Sun,

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
It's not Dean who needs to do the rethinking Bill: "Likeness means just what it says ie: resemblance orsimilitude" A zircon is not a diamond - it is a "likeness", it resembles one. Jesus was made in the likeness of men (see Phil 2:7, Romans 8:3) From: "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Dean wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
Real cute Lance, about on par with the "dancing trinity" On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:10:33 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Preach this at the University of Florida, Super Bowl and Mardis Gras, David. New signs/t-shirts "THE ZIRCON JESUS&

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-29 Thread Judy Taylor
Amen! Now this is good doctrine. Thank you Dean, what a blessing you are in the Lord... From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]No, I think I will stay the course Bill. The Law mentioned was only weakin our flesh not Christ's flesh-He came in the "likeness of that flesh" butthe law worked in

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance, one thing I have learned about you is that you do not pay attention, your pre conceived ideas rule in your own mind. I have said over, and over, and over and over that I do not consign ppl anywhere. This is not my call to make and so far as I am concerned as long as there is physical

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
business. Imagine: a Judy who isn't alwayscausing trouble. Heck, you might even be likable. As it were, though, you will prove once againyour denial. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@ma

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
: Fw: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 27, 2006 08:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Natu

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
ill prove once againyour denial. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:11

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
day. Some of us jump into the debate. Others watch with morbid curiosity. Most simply ignore the fuss. Very few are convinced. From: Judy Taylor Imagination run amock Lance .. You have seen things that are not there, they are constructs of your own imagination. On Sa

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
e out the gospel. Can YOU not see that also? From: Judy Taylor Once more Lance you put what you are about on to me. You might be surprised to learn that I spend little or no time psychoanalyzing any of you. The difference between all of you and DM is that most o

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
words .. I wouldn't call them "life anecdotes". When you say "seer" are you thinking like "witch of Endor?" Where is this gift inNew Covenant economy? From: Judy Taylor Very hard to tell Lance because noone you mention ie G, BT, DS etc.

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
nion ... including my own because these are not the ones that count ie: "Beware when all men speak well of you" From: Judy Taylor On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:07:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even the 'exalted one' had a 'revela

[TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
I, for one am apalled by the Reprimand sent to Christine Miller by the University of Florida - My how far we have fallen. Where is the freedom of speech we are promised and why is it OK to promote every perversion publicly on this Campus but God's Truth is ridiculed and maligned? I find it

Re: [TruthTalk] Free Speech

2006-01-28 Thread Judy Taylor
ce Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be wise as serpents, harmless as doves. This would appear NOT to describe Christine. If she climbs in the ring then, she'd best be prepared for combat. From: Judy Taylor I, for one am apalled by the Reprimand sent to Chri

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-27 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:20:20 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dean. I hope you will accept my apologies for any misunderstanding: I am not wishing that you would stop contributing, but that you would stop jumping so quickly to conclusions. It is insulting to me --

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-27 Thread Judy Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature? On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:20:20 -07

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-27 Thread Judy Taylor
believe that this is anywhere promised in the Scriptures themselves. It is not only promised it is demonstrated in the life of the apostle Paul himself who may have read lots of books before he fell down before the Lord on the Damascus Road but from all accounts he certainly did not afterwards.

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-27 Thread Judy Taylor
hough, you will prove once againyour denial. Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-27 Thread Judy Taylor
f us 'read' Judy similarly. IFO actually believe that Judy can't imagine why the 4 of us 'read' her as we do. The acerbic tone employed, IMO, is apparent to all save Judy. From: Judy Taylor Bill, opinions are like noses - everybody has one If yours isn't very pleasant

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-26 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:31:47 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes No one in this discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean. cd responds Respectfully- If one states that Christ had a fallen nature sinful naturethat is what one is saying John. No,

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-26 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:31:47 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes No one in this discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean. cd responds Respectfully- If one states that Christ had a fallen nature sinful naturethat is what one is saying John. No,

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-26 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: ... I am not a dualist.There is only one nature. Just for the record in regards to this discussion, it is dualism that provides for me the framework for understanding how Jesus could have a fallen nature. Without the understanding of man's

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-23 Thread Judy Taylor
d's Nature? (*, below,= 'therefore, JC wasn't a human being' which is rational, but not biblical;a sylogisticlie rather than) myth On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:00:03 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [a.]So far as humanity is

[TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-23 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy wrote: A sin nature and a "fallen nature are one and the same" So far as humanity is concerned - There is none righteous, no not one. "There is none righteous, no not one" refers to sinful actions, not to a sinful nature residing in the flesh. The

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:03:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When one employs a text in order to address a concern or, to make a point then, ONE HAS A DOCTRINE, JUDY. - Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] The fall - Where's the beef ??

2006-01-23 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:32:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I agree with Debbie's analysis of the difficulty experienced by Judy. In addition, I think Judy's attachment to her thinking concerning the "generational curse" is a huge problem as well. Not for me JD; the

Re: [TruthTalk] The fall - Where's the beef ??

2006-01-23 Thread Judy Taylor
s: Most of your 'wisdom', as you call it, Judy, comes fromyour fertile imagination.Should you choose to equate that (your imagination) with God, I can sort of live with that. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Hallelujah!! Thank you Dean. Maybe now we can make some headway; you are right on the mark. On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:57:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: John I read your letter but if you want a reply could you please condense your points-In the form it is inI don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-22 Thread Judy Taylor
"not eat" nor would they have violated that command. jd AE were created innocent; they did not know sin until they decided to disobey - that's all it took. This may conflict with your doctrine but that's just how it is. - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?

2006-01-21 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:48:48 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: Very well thought out Bill and very well articulated in your below reply. I agree with it andI realize by saying thisit would appear as I am back and forth but one must realize that this debate seems

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
of sin by having him born of a virgin woman. Imagine that??? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] No I most certainly don't Dean; those are Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe is

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] No I most certainly don't Dean; those are Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe is that he was not born by procreation

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would have sufficient discernment to see this. From: Judy Taylor Are you worried Lance? Don't you think God can take care of His Word? Should we replicate the here

Re: [TruthTalk] Thought

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Now where didthat profound thought came from? What about faith in God by way of the Church Fathers? What is that? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
So Lance where do you get your anointing as "chief appraiser?" It's one that is not listed in all the NT On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:35:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, hereafter nicknamed 'Jesus', shall nonetheless be subject to the same appraisa

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Note #10 Four distinct grounds may be noticed in the Chapter for the humiliation of Jesus: it became God — there was His glory; the destruction of Satan's power; reconciliation or really propitiation by His death; and capacity for sympathy in priesthood. - Original Mess

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
#10 Four distinct grounds may be noticed in the Chapter for the humiliation of Jesus: it became God — there was His glory; the destruction of Satan's power; reconciliation or really propitiation by His death; and capacity for

[TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote: If God was concerned enough about sin to cursehis creation at the start then why would he send a Redeemer who is under the curse to take careof things? Does not even make common sense. 1 Corinthians 1:18-19(18) For the preaching of the cross

[TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?

2006-01-20 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy wrote: I am amazed that anyone reading Church history would want to hold the early fathers in such honor and follow their example. With their politics, heresy hunting, banishing those who didn't agree with them etc. Where is the love? and faith

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy?

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
No I most certainly don't Dean; those are Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe is that he was not born by procreation like the rest of us since he had no human father. Mary may have contributed an ovum butthe male determines achild's gender and his spiritual

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ill. Why is it impossible to disagree with you without your becoming extremely upset? I get the distinct impression that you hate me. Bill This is a wrong impression and needs to be cast down. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
an and wholly divine simultaneously then, he is a Mormon Jesus? From: Judy Taylor Then he's a Mormon Jesus ... who has a problem with that?? On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus is neithe

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Then he's a Mormon Jesus ... who has a problem with that?? On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus is neither unambiguously human with our humanity nor unambiguously God with God's divinity. This would make Jesus some 'third thing'. (Arianism)

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
006 10:15:07 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NO! From: Judy Taylor Isn't this a form of what the Mormon Church teaches Lance? Theirs is a flesh religion and theyhave noproblems with purity and holiness Same with the so called "C

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
on Judy's behalf) that the statement in caps is NOT the Mormon position. It is, in reality, the position held by believing Christians for some 2,000 years. From: Judy Taylor They do, their stance is that man is progressing toward godhood as they do

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
e with you. You stand alone. jd -- Original message ------ From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then he's a Mormon Jesus ... who has a problem with that?? On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:19:52 -0500 "Lan

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Mormon Jesus. You are equating Lance's teaching with Mormonism AND THE ASSOCIATED BIAS THAT EXISTS ON THIS FORUM. You are simply trying to win the argument with the use of such language. Words mean something. We should mean what we say and actually say what we mean. jd From: J

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
14:43:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My but it does become difficult at times, Judy, believing that you don't know what you're doing when you write like this. From: Judy Taylor I'm speaking of one aspect ONLY JD and that is the "exactl

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ISTS ON THIS FORUM. You are simply trying to win the argument with the use of such language. Words mean something. We should mean what we say and actually say what we mean. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to think about

2006-01-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes I probably am Blaine. Sorry about that and forgive me please. On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:36:41 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:13:01 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't this a form of what the Mormon Church teaches

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
ites: So then, Judy, should Jesus' human nature actually have been other than your 'reading' of Scripture? - Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh Lance, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree does it. You are a true child of the Orthodoxy you serve. This anxiety about some ppl not being able to handle scripture is what led to the "dark ages" when it was chained to the pulpit because of fear. Have faith in God.

[TruthTalk] Without belief in the preexistence of Christ, Christianity would no longer be recognizeable

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:57:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The doctrine of Christ's personal preexistence as the second person of the Trinity is taken for granted by most orthodox Christians and has been since New Testament times. The effect of its denial is a god

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
and, those for whom he is overseer then, the CHRISTIAN GOSPEL IS NOT BEING PREACHED BY ANY OF THEM. (I believe he/they/you probably preach some fear-based moralism) . From: Judy Taylor Lance what is so hard about the plain facts which are that It is impossible to be &

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
-0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE SCRIPTURES, JUDY!! This ought to be a matter of some concern for DM, whom I suspect knows this. From: Judy Taylor Oh Lance, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree does it. You are a

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
ny Jesus Christ come in the flesh. Bill From: Judy Taylor On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:15:53 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is really sad that Bill says I can't be saved unless I accept his kind of orthodoxy. No, Bill is

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of God -- nonsense

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
ce Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DM is, IMO, intentionally elusive. At times he appears almost duplicitous, saying one thing to one person (you)then appearing to contradict that thing through what he says to another (Bill Taylor). From: Judy Taylor I believe them ra

Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

2006-01-18 Thread Judy Taylor
theology less... On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:49 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your doctrines, Judy, along with some of DM's ARE the doctrines of (wo)men. From: Judy Taylor Your fears are wrong Lance and you need to replace them with the fa

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