Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread peter . heckert
I think its unlikely that semiconductors are inside. At the september demo the temperature was 120° and if 3 cores are in opereation I would expect more. A single case of overheating would damage the system and Rossi claims a maximum temp of abaout 450°. Also all these gamma and possibly neutron

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all around the E-Cat as a neutron shield? AG On

Re: [Vo]:200 ft long engineered electrical arcs

2011-11-10 Thread Robert Lynn
Small world. One of the reasearchers mentioned was a friend of my sister's, the other was my thesis supervisor, and I did my M.Elec thesis in the building to the left in the pic. I won a solar powered car race in that car park. All looks to have survived the earthquake quite well. On 10

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread peter . heckert
I cannot say this. I dont even know wether the powder came from the inside or outside. Posiibly it comes from leaked and evaporated water? Rossi claimed 120° overheated steam @ air pressure. Thats a litle bit strange. If he used salty water with elevated boiling point, this could explain it. I

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
The white powder was between what looks like 2 sheets of lead directly on the top of the top pate of the reactor box. Start watching from 11:00 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5cFOsisAofeature=player_embedded#! AG On 11/10/2011 6:57 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I cannot say

Re: [Vo]:JNP site down

2011-11-10 Thread Colin Hercus
He's hosted here: http://stayhosted.com/, I expect they suspend if the site exceeds it's traffic volume. I've had my company site disappear from a hosting service because we exceed there CPU cap in a 2 minute interval. No warning, just wiped from their hosting service. It took a while to find a

Re: [Vo]:JNP site down

2011-11-10 Thread John Berry
Ha, how ironic, stay hosted can't keep his site up! On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Colin Hercus colinher...@gmail.comwrote: He's hosted here: http://stayhosted.com/, I expect they suspend if the site exceeds it's traffic volume. I've had my company site disappear from a hosting service

[Vo]:How scientific fraud is like Ponzi Finance

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Gluck
This is a paper from the next issue of Informavore's Sunday: How Scientific Fraud Is Like Ponzi Finance: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/how-scientific-fraud-is-like-ponzi-finance/2478 85/ A good idea, however I think nuanced thinking has to be applied. A financial criminal

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-10 03:15 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Ok a good call. No micros inside. When Rossi's tech was getting ready to open the module, he wipes away a lot of white powder that was sitting on top of the top metal plate. Do you think the powder might have been powered Boric Acid placed all

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
The white powder was between 2 sheets of lead that were on the top of the top plate of the outer reactor box. Start watching from 11:00 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5cFOsisAofeature=player_embedded# http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-5cFOsisAofeature=player_embedded#! AG On

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Joe Catania
Rossi has already exposed it by injecting the high frequencies. Any power meter used to check this would likely be subject to the same inaccuracy. I suggest a simple frquency meter with a lead touched to the dpf. - Original Message - From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com To:

[Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
In a thread that has become unwieldy, Jeff Sutton wrote: But the only way to think that his process makes any business-first approach is that he has still something to hide. It could be he is missing something to do with control of the reaction, or he has no new art for his patent; someone

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
AG, I do not remember exactly where Rossi made the statement that the cores were now flat and planar or rectangular in shape. Seems like it was a question I asked him on his blog. I had suggested that he use this form factor many months ago because it had scaling advantages, but at the

Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Jeff Sutton
Good points. History is littered with examples of this type of tragedy unfolding. Maybe before this chapter is finished and lost, our hero will change the plot, avoid ruin, and we will all live happily ever after. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: In a

[Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram4.png I deleted the #3 version of this diagram. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Andrea Selva
Nice diagram but, how do you know there are the bottom an top lead layers ? Under the radiator nobody could inspect in. I'd replace the lead label with a question mark. 2011/11/10 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com See:

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Andrea Selva
Please note how far from the heat exchanger the Tin probe has been placed. Why didn't he place it closer like the Tout one ? 2011/11/10 Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com Nice diagram but, how do you know there are the bottom an top lead layers ? Under the radiator nobody could

Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
In Rossis age I too would not want a Nobel price. Its not very much you get and for this you must travel around in the world, give boring interviews and so on. Better get some millions and become old in happiness and peace stay healthy and play piano, or tennis ;-) Am 10.11.2011 15:42,

Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Jeff Sutton
Oh I think he craves attention and recognition. Thus his web site and the time he spends answering questionsor at least responding to them. (And I hope this works out and he gets a nobel prize, attention, money and tennis. I guess I am an optimist but verify :) On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at

Re: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:38 PM 11/9/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: I also suggest as he said the 1 MW demo was only running on 1 core per module, he has a was to activate and deactivate the internal cores as desired. Rossi said (someone reported?) that they started the 1MW with a full load of hydrogen, but it

[Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
Need a break from Rossi madness? Slow slide into crazy? Do you know about the Mental illness happy hour? Well those guys have learned that co-mingling wry humor (or rye humor, if after 5) with pathological science is a good place to start. To that end, here is an unauthorized episode. Start

RE: [Vo]:Inside the inner box

2011-11-10 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
Mats Lewan told me that the cylinder was not attached to the gas inlet (it just looked that way in some photos) and its purpose was a radiation sensor (probably a gamma scintillator). Mats said the frequency device was behind the eCat - so I keep looking for glimpses of it in the videos.

Re: [Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Michele Comitini
Jones, Is this paving the way to a new kind of doping in sports? To be seen at next Olympic Games! ;-) mic Il giorno 10/nov/2011 17:54, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net ha scritto: Need a break from Rossi madness? Slow slide into crazy? Do you know about the Mental illness happy hour? Well

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-10 10:34 AM, Andrea Selva wrote: Please note how far from the heat exchanger the Tin probe has been placed. Why didn't he place it closer like the Tout one ? This should be obvious, I would think, and doesn't seem especially strange. You want the Tin probe relatively far from the

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 07:16 AM 11/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: See http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram4.png a) Why no bottom heat exchanger fins? Rossi said a long time ago that the Gamma thermalization was partly in the lead shielding. In the original tubular ecats the lead

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
The more I consider Horace’s model of a scam ECAT device, the more I warm up to the idea. We are all aware of the fact that any excess energy produced by the core modules will propagate toward the water coolant and result in higher temperature and increased output power. If there is no

Re: [Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Start with a provocative science story, not quite pathological yet - and take it from there... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45230351/ns/technology_and_science-science/ Not to mention a provocative picture with a

[Vo]:1MW sold out ? $160 M to $500 M sales ?

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi November 10th, 2011 at 11:11 AM Dear Wladimir Guglinski: So far we are manufacturing 1 MW plants, and our next 2 years capacity of production has been already saturated. For the small units we need at least 1-2 years for the approvals. Warm Regards, A.R. Andrea Rossi

RE: [Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
Potassium doping in the Olympics? … well, “Special K” humor aside, it’s remotely possible. Not sure what sports would benefit from a slight mental advantage, but now that they have badminton and ping-pong, who knows what is next? I never thought that “doping” would be such a big issue in

[Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

2011-11-10 Thread Sean True
Either his customers are convinced or he is playing a very complex game. There are applications for raw heat in winter that might be worth putting up with leaky gaskets to get. His interactions with the public on his blog are getting shorter, and more like: please go away, I'm very busy. Blog

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
Is this credible to anyone? If so, why and how? Rossi can't rely on anyone else at all to help make the wondrous machines? If he's afraid of reverse engineering, he'd better not sell any at all! How does he know what his customers will do with them? Or maybe he's relying on that

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

2011-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Is this credible to anyone?  If so, why and how? Welcome to Vortex, MY! T

Re: [Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Potassium doping in the Olympics? … well, “Special K” humor aside, it’s remotely possible. I'd believe anything after learning a caterpillar fungus helped set Olympic records:

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
In the older small (but allegedly powerful) E-cats, the main (largest and probably most powerful) heater has always heated the cooling water! This is evident because it's wrapped around the *exterior* of the E-cat. This never made sense, by the way, unless the objective was to use electricity

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
Welcome to Vortex, MY! Thank you.

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:12 AM 11/10/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Hi MY ... you're all over the web !!! In the older small (but allegedly powerful) E-cats, the main (largest and probably most powerful) heater has always heated the cooling water! This is evident because it's wrapped around the *exterior* of the

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: . . . much less what was in the ones that were contained in his megawatt plant. You need not put things in quotation marks every time. We know that you do not believe this. If the secret is only in the catalyst sauce, I don't understand why Rossi

RE: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
I originally surmised heat exchanger fins on the bottom, but several vorts insisted that there is no evidence for heat fins on the bottom and that the reactor cell is bolted to the bottom (but I didn't show bolts). So I removed the fins on the bottom. Your comment about the internal water flow

Re: [Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Harry Veeder
Energy is primarly the stuff of dreams, and dreams are not limited by the laws of nature. Harry On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Need a break from Rossi madness? Slow slide into crazy? Do  you know about the Mental illness happy hour? Well those guys

Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 10.11.2011 17:43, schrieb Jeff Sutton: Oh I think he craves attention and recognition. Thus his web site and the time he spends answering questionsor at least responding to them. You can see from his answers, he does not crave for recognition of others. His answers are absolutely

RE: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:28 AM 11/10/2011, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote: I presume when you say hot input you are referring to the top T fitting that is the water/steam outlet. Where is the evidence that it IS 3 bar? Have you identified the part used? The operating steam temperatures are more consistent with

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
Even if he's concerned about that, he could disassemble all the way to the final core and stop there. He did that, several times. Even with the big reactor people say they could see the whole thing, under the cell. You can't see much in the photos, but you can in person. It would be a

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 10.11.2011 20:23, schrieb Mary Yugo: Even if he's concerned about that, he could disassemble all the way to the final core and stop there. He did that, several times. Even with the big reactor people say they could see the whole thing, under the cell. You can't

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:23 AM 11/10/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Are there better images of the interior that maybe I missed? Or a written report from a first person experience I can read somewhere? I am skeptical that anyone really got a good look at fine interior details and, in this day of tiny easily handled

[Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/nasa-engineer-explains-why-rossi-demos-failed/ According to a slide presentation given by NASA engineer Michael A. Nelson, which New Energy Times obtained under a FOIA request, “Energy Catalyzer” inventor Andrea Rossi failed to conclusively show that his

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: He ran out of money and couldn't pay Bologna. If he really collected E2M he should be able to pay them soon. If so, it will show up on their official site. Using Windows, you can make the Euro symbol by holding down the alt

RE: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
I generously considered that the insulation value was R6 in my analysis (an input in the spreadsheet), but much of that insulation may have been lost when the water leaked into the insulation. If you presume R6, and calculate the outside area of the eCat, the calculation of the heat loss is

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
 And most of all, it seems to be a serious problem for Rossi to get an E-cat to one of the two universities he promised them too.  I wish Rossi's butt were somehow a bit more resistant to pain. He ran out of money and couldn't pay Bologna. If he really collected E2M he should be able to pay

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Dusty
That sounds about right! SCAM! Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/nasa-engineer-explains-why-rossi-demos-failed/ According to a slide presentation given by NASA engineer Michael A. Nelson, which New Energy Times obtained under a FOIA request, “Energy

RE: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Robert Leguillon
Any idea if anyone has received the entire NASA LENR presentation? I've been checking their website (http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm) for some time, and it looked promising: Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Bruno Santos
That is quite a hit at Rossi's claims, since NASA believes that chemical reactions could not be ruled out. But it's interesting that they didn't point out other problems, such vapor problems and energy COP. The question is: they just didn't bother trying to figure that out because it was an

Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Roarty, Francis X
My interpretation of his motive is that even with his secret discovery the underlying mechanism still remains a mystery. This is reflected in his journal of physics which gathers ideas and comments from around the world and also his arrangement with the University of Bologna, He seems a man who

Re: [Vo]:Food for thought?

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not know about this hypothesis, but it is well-established that the human brain takes enormous amounts of energy, and this has had a major impact on human evolution. Having a large brain is a tremendous burden. That is probably why there are few other highly intelligent species. During the

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/11/10 Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com: Mats Lewan put his hand on the top foil over the insulation and said that he thought it was about 60C.  That information might be useful to back onto a better guess at insulation value, but it will not be as simple as presuming

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi can't rely on anyone else at all to help make the wondrous machines? If he's afraid of reverse engineering, he'd better not sell any at all! How does he know what his customers will do with them? I believe he thinks it is easy to keep track of a

Re: [Vo]:Win the Nobel strategy

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 10.11.2011 21:00, schrieb Roarty, Francis X: His progress is putting unbelievable pressure on all the other researchers to stake their claims. Recent gains by Miley and Piantelli make it clear this race isn't over Yes, Piantelli's attorney says Rossi is using his patents and Rossi works

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Any cold fusion cathode work harder will self-destruct to some extent merely by being exposed to air . . . That was supposed to say, any cold fusion cathode or powder will self-destruct . . . They all self-destruct over time from internal contamination. The powder stops working

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
I have always felt that the internal heater of the old cats was the main one. Rossi has always used misdirection and apparently Mary fell for it. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 1:30 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
Bob, I think you have generated an excellent diagram. It is highly unlikely that the 3 core modules are actually in series. That would be very difficult to control and Rossi has a pretty poor controller as far as I have seen. This would not be his first statement that is intended to

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
It should be noted, that Rossi has shown them (NASA) more evidency than they got from Piantelli. And if they really had success with own experiments in sustained reactions, then it is not understandable why they need Piantelli Rossi. Do they possibly play a secret service type

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-10 03:41 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: It should be noted, that Rossi has shown them (NASA) more evidency than they got from Piantelli. And if they really had success with own experiments in sustained reactions, then it is not understandable why they need Piantelli Rossi. It's not at

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: Therefore Horaces analysis is not only wrong, but it is utterly against the normal thermodynamics and cannot explain anything. I agree, and so do all of the scientists I have asked outside of this forum. Because it does not consider at all normal thermodynamical

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
For the 1MW demo Rossi wrote explicitely in his forum, the reactors where in parallel. So far I remember, he gave differing statements for the other demos. One should understand, it is not important for Rossi to give precise information. He gives unclear information by purpose. It is not his

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
However calorimatric criticism is not relevant, because Rossi has never forbid for observers to do accurate calorimetry and check all the necessary calibrations with their own instruments. Therefore bad calorimetry is not likely source for the cheat, because that cheat would depend on

RE: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
I think the effort of disassembly of the internal cell is being grossly under-estimated by those wishing for/expecting a viewing of the guts. In Rossi's big eCat, the cover seal was leaking water at 15 psi of pressure (maybe less). The cell is far more difficult to seal. Inside is initially ~150

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
It is not reasonable to draw the conclusion that NASA believes that a chemical process might be used within Rossi's device. They are merely pointing out that it would take a very long time to absolutely rule out that possibility. Dave -Original Message- From: Bruno Santos

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Mary Yugo
It is irrational to demand 1,000 times more energy than chemistry can produce when you have already seen 10 times more. The point is already proven. I think many responsible and capable people don't believe that. The only absolutely determinative test is an independent one that rules out

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:49 AM 11/10/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Using Windows, you can make the Euro symbol by holding down the alt key and pressing 0128 on the numerical keyboard. € The Euro's going away so soon that I don't need to

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:41 AM 11/10/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/nasa-engineer-explains-why-rossi-demos-failed/ At the Sept. 22, 2011 LENR Workshop at NASA Glenn Research Center, Nelson explained that Rossi would need to run [his experiment] for eight hours or more with a

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: However calorimatric criticism is not relevant, because Rossi has never forbid for observers to do accurate calorimetry and check all the necessary calibrations with their own instruments. I do not know who wrote that, but it is incorrect. Rossi does

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 10.11.2011 21:55, schrieb David Roberson: It is not reasonable to draw the conclusion that NASA believes that a chemical process might be used within Rossi's device. They are merely pointing out that it would take a very long time to absolutely rule out that possibility. One must

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

2011-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-10 03:58 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 11:49 AM 11/10/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Using Windows, you can make the Euro symbol by holding down the alt key and pressing 0128 on the numerical keyboard. € The Euro's

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
I may be incorrect, but I suspect that Rossi has never conducted a long term experiment in public because he does not have a controller that functions well. Everything that has been observed during the public demonstrations has been manually controlled. The self sustaining mode is merely a

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Andrea Selva
-- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: 2011/11/10 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Minor progress To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rossi does not usually let people use their own instruments. He has on some occasions. - Jed He doesn't even want people to bring their own.

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Robert Leguillon
/snip/ Heffner is saying that since the flow rate may not be 60 L in 4 hours it might be zero. That is preposterous. /snip/ Because the flow rate was not at its max (it was sped up during quenching) and it decreases with back pressure (as demonstrated in the September test), we have no idea

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: It is irrational to demand 1,000 times more energy than chemistry can produce when you have already seen 10 times more. The point is already proven. I think many responsible and capable people don't believe that. The only absolutely determinative test is an independent one

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher wrote: The entire empty volume of a shipping container? Since the energy produced is N * the number of modules, the TIME should be the SAME as a single eCat at the same power. Well said. Eh? I'm getting not to trust those NASA engineers. Are you sure they didn't mix

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
Jed, are you sure that Horace assumes that there is no water flowing through the ECAT? That would be totally unbelievable. Maybe I was assuming that he was seeking the truth, but if he is neglecting such important issues, then I have been mistaken. Horace, you need to defend against these

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrea Selva wrote: Rossi does not usually let people use their own instruments. He has on some occasions. - Jed He doesn't even want people to bring their own. Jed, does this ring you any bell ? He would not let me bring instruments, which is why I did not go. However, I have talked to

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread ecat builder
Why did Krivit only release one slide? What did the others slides say? I requested a nasa FOIA request for the all of the slides. But if anyone knows Michael Larsen's and can request the slides, that might be faster. - Brad

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread David Roberson
Wait a moment before making this statement. I recall Mats Lewan bringing his amp meter to the test. Am I mistaken? Dave -Original Message- From: Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Minor

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-10 04:15 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: It is irrational to demand 1,000 times more energy than chemistry can produce when you have already seen 10 times more. The point is already proven. I think many responsible and capable people don't believe that. The only

[Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon wrote: /snip/ Heffner is saying that since the flow rate may not be 60 L in 4 hours it might be zero. That is preposterous. /snip/ Because the flow rate was not at its max (it was sped up during quenching) and it decreases with back pressure (as demonstrated in the September

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: Jed, are you sure that Horace assumes that there is no water flowing through the ECAT? That would be totally unbelievable. I believe he said that previously. Actually I think he said something like we do not know what the flow rate is so it might be zero. Ask him.

Re: [Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

2011-11-10 Thread Robert Leguillon
Maybe I'd overlooked this, when did they measure and film the outpouring water? I thought that it was twice during the entire demo - once while it was running, and once during quenching, no? Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Robert Leguillon wrote: /snip/ Heffner is saying that

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Sterling Allan: Arm-in-Arm with Andrea Rossi http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/sterling-allan-arm-in-arm-with-andrea-rossi/ and others The Big Lie Technique of Scammers, Courtesy of Adolf Hitler

Re: [Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe I'd overlooked this, when did they measure and film the outpouring water? Yes, many people saw the water and bubbles moving through the hose. FURTHERMORE, we know with certainty that there was steam or hot water coming out of the

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-10 04:32 PM, ecat builder wrote: Why did Krivit only release one slide? Personally I wouldn't trust Krivit as far as I could throw Rossi. My immediate jump-to suspicion is that he released exactly as much as would support his case, and nothing more. What did the others

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 10-11-2011 20:59, Dusty wrote: That sounds about right! SCAM! While cleaning up my SPAM folder I stumbled across the following email of a month ago. It seems that spammers have found Rossi as a way to earn money as well. Kind regards, MoB == Return-Path: @unicredit.org

Re: [Vo]:Yes we darn well do know approximately what the flow rate was!

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Something had to be coming out of the reactor the entire time. It had to be coming out at a flow rate large enough to deliver lots of heat to those thermocouples. We also know from Lewan's log that he measured the flow rate at the time when the flow rate was lowest. He measured 0.9

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Vorl Bek
Rossi Source for Fox and MSNBC: Obama Teleported to Mars http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/rossis-source-for-fox-and-msnbc-says-obama-teleported-to-mars/ I am beginning to like Krivit; that one was pretty funny. And he had the brains and initiative to make the FOIA request to NASA.

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

2011-11-10 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
- On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Dusty wrote: That sounds about right! SCAM! Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/nasa-engineer-explains-why-rossi-demos-failed/ According to a slide presentation given by NASA engineer Michael A. Nelson, which New

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Jeff Sutton
The lady (Krivit:) doth protest too much, methinks to quote Shakespeareor maybe he was a fraud too? On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Rossi Source for Fox and MSNBC: Obama Teleported to Mars

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: - Nelson's comments just put the cap on what has been asked so often: why does Rossi's six-month-between-charges e-cat never self-sustain long enough to eliminate the possibility of the heat coming from a chemical reaction? Here is a similar loaded

RE: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Higgins Bob-CBH003
One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is that I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be briefly reheated to stabilize the mode. If it was not in self-sustaining mode, then it may be in

[Vo]:Rossi in the magnetmotor business?

2011-11-10 Thread Peter Heckert
Here is Rossi together with Adolf Schneider: http://peswiki.com/images/d/d9/Schneiders-Rossi-Meeting-Foto-280711_300.jpg For those who dont know Schneider, he is a switzer engineer and a competent magnet motor expert in german spoken countries. He has an own german magazine NET Journal where he

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Jeff Sutton
Bob wrote One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is that I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. Agreed. I think all logic points to this. I suspect some of the complicated claims to how Rossi is scamming people are beginning to rivalcold fusion itself.

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Regarding Rossi, there are obviously many answered questions that remain that could either scientifically verify or refute his extraordinary claims. I don't know whether Rossi is a SCAM artist or whether he is the real deal. Let me repeat that: I DON'T KNOW!!! Granted, I have my suspicions... I

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com wrote: One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long test is that I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be briefly reheated to stabilize the

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

2011-11-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:48 PM 11/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Here is a similar loaded question: Q: Why does Obama refuse to show his birth certificate? A: He did show his birth certificate. This question incorporates a falsehood. I finally have convergence between my OTHER Conspiracy Theory (with hard-coded

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